Carr to be Traded soon (1 Viewer)

[Boone22]

Texans | Carr to be traded

Thu, 22 Mar 2007 10:52:49 -0700

ESPNews reports Houston Texans general manager Rick Smith said that QB David Carr will be traded as soon as Thursday, March 22.

 

[Tough As Nails]

I hear Tampa Bay is looking to acquire a QB.

 

[Boone22]

Well this was listed right under it on KFFL...

Dolphins | Carr a possibility

Thu, 22 Mar 2007 10:17:42 -0700

Armando Salguero, of the Miami Herald, reports the Miami Dolphins may go after Houston Texans QB David Carr, who is available since the Texans traded for QB Matt Schaub.

 

[mtffl2]

I hear Tampa Bay is looking to acquire a QB.

that's going to be one hell of a QB by committee...

 

[Tough As Nails]

I hear Tampa Bay is looking to acquire a QB.

that's going to be one hell of a QB by committee...

They've got 16 different formations in the playbook. The plan is to have a QB specialize in each one.

 

[massraider]

One less team in the top 10 looking for a QB. Trade down, Al!!

 

[cws3030]

some possibilites IMO:

Oakland

Cleveland

Miami

Kansas City

Detroit

Tampa

 

[mozzy84]

Well this was listed right under it on KFFL...Dolphins | Carr a possibilityThu, 22 Mar 2007 10:17:42 -0700Armando Salguero, of the Miami Herald, reports the Miami Dolphins may go after Houston Texans QB David Carr, who is available since the Texans traded for QB Matt Schaub.

they had a carr last year, the harrington model...

 

[Bri]

My understanding of this situation-

He's gotta redo his contract with the Texans or the prospective team he's traded to. He's too pricey now.

He does have some control here because of this. He can't technically veto any trade BUT he can choose to not redo his contract and thus "turn off" the team that wants him.

He wants to play not necessarily alot in 07 but definitely in 08. Teams like the Ravens(McNair for a year?) or Bucs(Garcia for a year? beat out Simms+Grads?) seem to be good examples of what Carr's looking for.

It seems he's leery of going to a team and being locked in as a backup like if he went to the Titans for example. I'm sure this is somewhat expected though

 

[Bob Magaw]

i could see OAK...

davis collects former high picks like dorks collect star wars action figures...

he has had success with QB reclamation projects before (see plunkett & gannon)

they desperately need a QB...

it has been pointed out repeatedly on the board that it isn't davis style to select young QBs, and this marked, pronounced trend may be even more fully in play than ever just because davis is elderly, seemingly in a state of declining health & would be expected to not have the patience to wait 2-3 years for a young QB like russell to mature & develope (though perhaps the success of VY, leianrt & cutler last year could put a damper on this theory)...

it would allow them to take calvin johnson, the best prospect in the draft & one of the best in years...

whatever HOU settle on for in fair compensation, lets say a third or fourth round pick, OAKs will be high in any given round...

 

[coolnerd]

I think there was some GM sales speak going on with that statement by Smith, but he has to do it.

Anyway, the compensation (if any) the Texans get for Carr will needed to be factored in the evaluation of the Matt Schaub trade.

 

[saintfool]

i could see OAK...davis collects former high picks like dorks collect star wars action figures...he has had success with QB reclamation projects before (see plunkett & gannon)they desperately need a QB...it would allow them to take calvin johnson, the best prospect in the draft & one of the best in years...whatever HOU settle on for in fair compensation, lets say a third or fourth round pick, OAKs will be high in any given round...

oakland, kc and cleveland would be my guesses. any move by kc would signal the end of green's tenure there.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

Well this was listed right under it on KFFL...Dolphins | Carr a possibilityThu, 22 Mar 2007 10:17:42 -0700Armando Salguero, of the Miami Herald, reports the Miami Dolphins may go after Houston Texans QB David Carr, who is available since the Texans traded for QB Matt Schaub.

they had a carr last year, the harrington model...

is it groundhog day?i will say that Carr just might come out of his tailspin. We all knew Harrington couldn't.

 

[Couch Potato]

I hear Tampa Bay is looking to acquire a QB.

Then they'd have a Cadillac and Carr acquired by GM.

 

[Bri]

davis collects former high picks like dorks collect star wars action figures...

 

[Bri]

i will say that Carr just might come out of his tailspin. We all knew Harrington couldn't.

Harrington in Miami was way better than Harrington in Detroit

 

[T Man]

My understanding of this situation-He's gotta redo his contract with the Texans or the prospective team he's traded to. He's too pricey now.He does have some control here because of this. He can't technically veto any trade BUT he can choose to not redo his contract and thus "turn off" the team that wants him.He wants to play not necessarily alot in 07 but definitely in 08. Teams like the Ravens(McNair for a year?) or Bucs(Garcia for a year? beat out Simms+Grads?) seem to be good examples of what Carr's looking for. It seems he's leery of going to a team and being locked in as a backup like if he went to the Titans for example. I'm sure this is somewhat expected though

This makes a lot of sense. He is due something like $5 million this year and next. Way too pricey for what he has shown. To get traded, he needs to redo his contract. As for the teams, I have said repeatedly that he is better off going to a team where he can sit back and learn from the sidelines and try to recoup his skills. While a team like Cleveland or Oakland may be likely, he won't be in a better situation and he'll likely go back to the same old habits. Maybe Carr sees this and wants to direct himself to a team where he cann learn for a year or two (under the radar) and then return to a starters role.

 

[Warpig]

Is Minnesota on the phone with Carr's agent?

 

[Beaumont]

i could see OAK...davis collects former high picks like dorks collect star wars action figures...he has had success with QB reclamation projects before (see plunkett & gannon)they desperately need a QB...it would allow them to take calvin johnson, the best prospect in the draft & one of the best in years...whatever HOU settle on for in fair compensation, lets say a third or fourth round pick, OAKs will be high in any given round...

oakland, kc and cleveland would be my guesses. any move by kc would signal the end of green's tenure there.

That signal went up a while ago ...

 

[Ron_Mexico]

Maybe Carr sees this and wants to direct himself to a team where he cann learn for a year or two (under the radar) and then return to a starters role.

I disagree.I think Carr wants to prove himself today, not tomorrow,as a starter in the NFL.Oakland may not be the best landing spot for Carr,but I think he will end up there.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

i will say that Carr just might come out of his tailspin. We all knew Harrington couldn't.

Harrington in Miami was way better than Harrington in Detroit

on thanksgiving, maybe in a few other games, but he still proved he wasn't starting quality.

 

[massraider]

Miami was the team actively talking to KC about Green. Now a model 10 years younger is available. I gotta think they are the front runners.

 

[Bri]

i will say that Carr just might come out of his tailspin. We all knew Harrington couldn't.

Harrington in Miami was way better than Harrington in Detroit

on thanksgiving, maybe in a few other games, but he still proved he wasn't starting quality.

I'm not sure I disagree with you here at all. It's just a 400 yard game and/or 200 yards in a quarter(or about) definitely gave that guy a pulse again.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Is Minnesota on the phone with Carr's agent?

Childress was interviewed on the radio today and sounded like he didn't like Carr at all.I'm sure the ink is drying as we speak.

 

[T Man]

Carr should attract plenty of potential buyersBy Len PasquarelliESPN.comArchiveOn a crowded lot that already featured a logjam of previously owned quarterbacks available via free agency or trade, five of whom own résumés that include at least 60 starts apiece, a later-model used Carr moved on Wednesday afternoon into the spot typically reserved for the sales manager's special of the weekSo once any interested franchise has a chance to kick David Carr's tires to determine how much pickup he still possesses after being subjected to 249 sacks in five years, and whether he can still get it done in the passing lane, will the Houston Texans be able to find a buyer for the player selected first overall in the 2002 draft?One would think so because Carr, only 27 and still harboring untapped talents, certainly looks like a better option than guys such as Aaron Brooks, Drew Bledsoe, Vinny Testaverde, Trent Green and Joey Harrington.Would David Carr look good in a Raiders uniform?Sure, the five-year veteran comes with a lot of dents, courtesy of one of the worst offensive lines assembled in recent NFL history. But any team that is serious about Carr should be able to negotiate a sweetheart deal with the Texans -- a middle-round choice in the 2007 draft sounds about right -- because Houston wants the quarterback out of the picture and prefers to get something in return rather than simply release him outright.Coming to terms with Carr, of course, might be a little more difficult. Compliments of the ill-advised $8 million buyback clause Houston exercised last spring, Carr is due base salaries of $6.75 million for 2007 and $6 million for 2008. He won't come cheap. At the same time, Carr might be so anxious to relegate his experience in Houston to rearview-mirror status that he'll make a renegotiation of his deal relatively facile.In that case, moving Carr to another team would become infinitely easier and probably would increase the number of franchises with viable interest in him. Twenty-seven years old, at least in a league where a lot of quarterbacks are late bloomers, is the basic equivalent of toddler stage.Certainly there is some ego-stoked coach or offensive coordinator out there who will convince himself that he can do for Carr what highly respected quarterback mentor Gary Kubiak couldn't get done in Houston last season -- and apparently felt he might never accomplish with Carr.The team that makes the most sense, in terms of interest in Carr, should be Oakland, where there is no proven starter, although the Raiders seem inclined to use the first overall selection in the draft next month on LSU quarterback JaMarcus Russell. Trading for Carr would provide the Raiders with the kind of strong-armed, vertical-game passer owner Al Davis has long favored and would dramatically alter the dynamic of first round.If the Raiders acquired Carr and scrapped their plans to choose Russell, Oakland could snatch the draft's best player, Georgia Tech wide receiver Calvin Johnson, with the top pick. And in addition to scrambling mock drafts around the country, not to mention the real draft, it would give Oakland a proven commodity at the game's most critical position. No matter what Carr's failures in Houston, he is still further along in his development than untested and raw Russell.Rumor is that Raiders coaches and scouts are beyond smitten with Johnson and view him as the surest thing in the talent pool. Plus, choosing him at the top of the draft also would allow Oakland to trade troublesome wide receiver Randy Moss. But it doesn't make sense to take Johnson unless you have a quarterback to get him the ball, and Carr would have a shot. And wasn't the Raiders' new coach and resident wunderkind Lane Kiffin an offensive guru of sorts during his tenure at Southern California? And one more intriguing note: Kiffin and Carr have some history together, as Kiffin was a coach at Fresno State during Carr's first two years there. What other franchises might have more than passing interest in Carr? Here's a look at some of the possibilities:• Miami: The Dolphins still don't know whether Daunte Culpepper, now nearly 1½ years removed from surgery to repair the catastrophic knee injury he suffered in 2005, is ready to play. They're exploring a trade for Green, suddenly persona non grata in Kansas City, but Carr is a decade younger than Green and, despite the beating he took in Houston for five years, is also significantly healthier. Even his $6.75 million salary is less than the bloated $7.2 million Green is due in 2007. First-year Dolphins coach Cam Cameron is known as a hands-on quarterbacks coach. Maybe his hands could mold Carr into the quarterback he was expected to be when he was the draft's first overall choice in 2002.• Minnesota: Second-year Vikings coach Brad Childress is another highly regarded offensive mind with no proven quarterback. The Minnesota depth chart, now that the Vikings have cut veteran Brad Johnson, features Brooks Bollinger and long-term project Tarvaris Jackson. The team is said to like Jackson's potential, but he is nowhere near ready to play yet. The Vikings might be interested in drafting Notre Dame quarterback Brady Quinn, but Carr would offer a more immediate return on their investment.• Cleveland: Despite the Browns' public support of incumbent Charlie Frye, few in the organization are convinced the two-year veteran is the answer. With the third overall choice in the draft, the Browns figure to have one of the top quarterback prospects, either Russell or Quinn, still on the board. But embattled coach Romeo Crennel, who might be fired in the first month of the season if the Browns get off to a sluggish start, doesn't have the time for or luxury of developing a young quarterback for his successor. Yeah, the Browns have lived through their own first-round flop -- Tim Couch, remember, was the first overall choice in the 1999 draft -- but Carr still represents an upgrade.• Detroit: Jon Kitna started every game in 2006, threw for more than 4,000 yards and proved the Mike Martz offense could help just about anyone put up big numbers. But, c'mon, we're talking about Jon Kitna, for gosh sakes. Martz would view Carr as a challenge and could have a lot of fun with him.• Tampa Bay: OK, we're only kidding about the Bucs, right? Uh, yeah. But no one loves to collect quarterbacks more than coach Jon Gruden, who probably is kicking himself right now that the Tampa Bay depth chart is too crowded to accommodate Carr.

 

[Keith Lewis]

I'm surprised the Moss for Carr rumors haven't started yet, I could actually see that happening although unlikely.

 

[Buckna]

I think there was some GM sales speak going on with that statement by Smith, but he has to do it.Anyway, the compensation (if any) the Texans get for Carr will needed to be factored in the evaluation of the Matt Schaub trade.

If by some stroke of luck they are able to get a 3rd round pick this year for Carr, that essentially wipes out the 2nd in '08 used to acquire Schaub. Wouldn't be such a bad deal then!

 

[Bob Magaw]

didn't know that...

"And one more intriguing note: Kiffin and Carr have some history together, as Kiffin was a coach at Fresno State during Carr's first two years there." (from pasquarelli, courtesy of t-man's post #25)

 

[Vikes Fan]

Is Minnesota on the phone with Carr's agent?

Childress was interviewed on the radio today and sounded like he didn't like Carr at all.I'm sure the ink is drying as we speak.

I missed the interview. I think he is just what the Vikings need. I wish they would just make the trade and diffuse the Brady Quinn talk.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Is Minnesota on the phone with Carr's agent?

Childress was interviewed on the radio today and sounded like he didn't like Carr at all.I'm sure the ink is drying as we speak.

I missed the interview. I think he is just what the Vikings need. I wish they would just make the trade and diffuse the Brady Quinn talk.

Chili doesn't like Carr's slow decision making.

 

[T Man]

Is Minnesota on the phone with Carr's agent?

Childress was interviewed on the radio today and sounded like he didn't like Carr at all.I'm sure the ink is drying as we speak.

I missed the interview. I think he is just what the Vikings need. I wish they would just make the trade and diffuse the Brady Quinn talk.

Chili doesn't like Carr's slow decision making.

Or his mechanics. Says he releases the ball too low causing a lot of defelected passes. Indicated that a team should not draft or acquire a QB who does not have mechanics that they like - and they don't like Carr's mechanics.As an aside: I guess its's ok to acquire a QB with no mechanics. Heck, he kept mentioning Bollinger as a possibility for the starter's job.

 

[Limecuda]

Just thinking out loud. Houston was rumored to be after Peterson but obviously has blown that chance with the new qb trade. If Miami is in fact interested would they trade a 4th/5th round pick and a Ricky Williams perhaps?

 

[massraider]

Just thinking out loud. Houston was rumored to be after Peterson but obviously has blown that chance with the new qb trade. If Miami is in fact interested would they trade a 4th/5th round pick and a Ricky Williams perhaps?

I don't think it'd take that much. I can't see Carr going for more than a 5th. Just me guessing. But I think the talk of a 3rd rounder (elsewhere in the thread) is crazy talk.

 

[T Man]

Just thinking out loud. Houston was rumored to be after Peterson but obviously has blown that chance with the new qb trade. If Miami is in fact interested would they trade a 4th/5th round pick and a Ricky Williams perhaps?

Not sure why Peterson is no longer a possibility. He's a RB and it would be no surprise to see his stock drop on draft day. Some "experts" hae him going as late as 12 to Buffalo. Peterson may be the pick; but considering Kubiak's longtime relationship with Shanny, I could aslo see him waiting on an RB - thinking he can get a solid RB in a later round.How about this for speculationetroit is one of the teams that have been listed as having a possible interest in Carr. Detroit is also home to a former Denver RB in Tatum Bell. Wouldn't that be interesting if Detroit traded Bell for Carr.Doubt it would happen, but interesting.

 

[Couch Potato]

Just thinking out loud. Houston was rumored to be after Peterson but obviously has blown that chance with the new qb trade. If Miami is in fact interested would they trade a 4th/5th round pick and a Ricky Williams perhaps?

The problem there is that Carr is supposedly being traded as soon as today, and Ricky can't be reinstated until next month. With Goodell's new tougher anti-lawbreaker policy in effect, it's not a given that Ricky will be reinstated. I think he will be, but it's not clear enough at this time for him to be tradeable -- I don't know if a trade is even allowable with a guy on a one year suspension.

 

[prymetyme25]

Why dont they just say f it and trade Carr straight up for BMW in Detroit.

 

[Couch Potato]

Why dont they just say f it and trade Carr straight up for BMW in Detroit.

Cool. Another vehicle reference.

 

[prymetyme25]

Why dont they just say f it and trade Carr straight up for BMW in Detroit.

Cool. Another vehicle reference.

didn't even notice that.... man your sharp!

 

[Mystery Achiever]

Why dont they just say f it and trade Carr straight up for BMW in Detroit.

Cool. Another vehicle reference. :(

didn't even notice that.... man your sharp!

lol; american for foreign car ® is unfair trade thoough. THey're talking about this on NFL Live now, btw (the player not the vehicle....)

 

[prymetyme25]

Why dont they just say f it and trade Carr straight up for BMW in Detroit.

Cool. Another vehicle reference.

didn't even notice that.... man your sharp!

lol; american for foreign car ® is unfair trade thoough. THey're talking about this on NFL Live now, btw (the player not the vehicle....)

thanks for the heads up.

 

[lions327]

Per Rotoworld, March 22, 3:10pm

Vikings coach Brad Childress didn't sound interested in David Carr in a radio appearance Thursday.

A Carolina newspaper report said Carr was "eyeing" Minnesota, but the interest probably isn't mutual. "I always struggled with where his release came from," Childress said. "It's kind of a drop-down, three-quarter release. ... He can make some of the throws; he can't make all the throws." Ouch.

 

[Tag]

Just another reason why a team shouldnt draft a QB #1 over all in the draft. Unless its Peyton.

 

[QUEZILLA]

Houston could swap spots with Mia for Carr? But, I think Hou. would have to throw in about a 4th.

 

[Mystery Achiever]

Houston could swap spots with Mia for Carr? But, I think Hou. would have to throw in about a 4th.

Miami is the one team they mentioned on NFL Live.

 

[raidergil]

Raiders may be out since they just signed a QB

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Raiders may be out since they just signed a QB

Well, I guess we can stop debating Quinn Vs. Russell to Oakland now.

 

[Colin Dowling]

I'm calling the darkhorse: Baltimore.

 

[prymetyme25]

I'm calling the darkhorse: Baltimore.

I think Balt. would have to give up a player cause i doubt if they give up anymore picks.

 

[Dr. Evil]

Carr will likely choose where he goes, or he will refuse to rework his contract. Another obvious option is that Houston doesn't want to risk him getting injured in the off-season program and moves him for a late round pick while he has any value, or else cuts him.

 

[Couch Potato]

Raiders may be out since they just signed a QB

Well, I guess we can stop debating Quinn Vs. Russell to Oakland now.

The link says Booty has been out of football since 2003. Maybe he's been running a bed and breakfast.