Carries Breakdown Foster vs. Slaton after Tate Injury (1 Viewer)

[rascal]

Where has Foster been going recently? 8th/9th rounds or earlier?

 

[DansRams]

i don't think it's a FA thing at allI just think that it's quite premature to judge a guy like Arian Foster after 2 regular season games while completely ignoring an entire season's worth of work for Slaton. I mean, we're not even talking about a Ryan Grant 9-game finish like in 2007 or whatever it was, we're talking 2 games, one of which was against a team that had already clinched a playoff birth. Hell, 2 of his 3 TDs during 2009 came in the last 5 minutes of the season, AFTER it was already guaranteed that New England was in and had field position secured, AFTER it was already guaranteed that Houston wasn't going anywhere.Lest anybody forget, the immortal Samkon Gado put up games with 103, 111, and 171 yards and had 6 TDs in about 5 games' worth of work a few seasons back. Remember Earnest Graham? 7 of his last 9 games in 2007 were well over 100 YFS and the few that weren't were damn close (84 and 74 yards, checking up)All I'm saying is that for every Priest Holmes and Willie Parker, there are hundreds of Samkon Gado's. UDFAs that everyone roots for, who come out of nowhere to produce and dammit, they pass the eyeball test! They look good, they work hard, you are sure they're going to make it, and then they disappear about as quickly as they show up.There's a reason they were UDFAs in the first place.....USUALLY. as I stated earlier, I hate Shanahan backfields and avoid them like the plague. I can barely bring myself to draft obviously elite talent like DWill or Stewie because their situation is so hit or miss. I'd be VERY wary of drafting questionable talents like Slaton or Foster unless I get a darn good deal on them (and preferably could get them both)

Haven't we been through this already? No one is annointing Foster a superstar (at least they shouldn't be), and I don't think anyone is completely ignoring Slaton's rookie season. All I know is, the coaches are favoring Foster over Slaton right now for some reason. If they like Foster better, then I'm probably going to go along with their judgement. Sure, Foster could be a bust, and/or Slaton could be for real. But for whatever reason, the Texans don't think so right now. I'm not drafting Foster as my #1 RB, but I'm certainly taking him ahead of Slaton. That's all I think most people are trying to say.

Well said. The only thing I would add is, although no one should be annointing Foster due to the obvious risk, no one should be ignoring the upside either.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Where has Foster been going recently? 8th/9th rounds or earlier?

I grabbed him in the 7th right after Harrison was snatched. Pretty early but I had to start hammering away at what was left at RB.

 

[sgtrobo]

although no one should be annointing Foster due to the obvious risk, no one should be ignoring the upside either.

that's a fair assessment.

 

[Redmen62]

Haven't we been through this already? No one is annointing Foster a superstar (at least they shouldn't be), and I don't think anyone is completely ignoring Slaton's rookie season. All I know is, the coaches are favoring Foster over Slaton right now for some reason. If they like Foster better, then I'm probably going to go along with their judgement. Sure, Foster could be a bust, and/or Slaton could be for real. But for whatever reason, the Texans don't think so right now. I'm not drafting Foster as my #1 RB, but I'm certainly taking him ahead of Slaton. That's all I think most people are trying to say.

Exactly. It's not the two games of work that are intriguing, it's the coaching staff's evaluation of Foster vs. Slaton that gives me some hope Foster can carry the load.

 

[The Moz]

Foster plays on one of the best offenses in football and showed last year in his 2 chances to shine what he can do. If Kubes is committed he could be a 1250 yd 12 TD running back with another 20-30 rec and maybe a score. Or he can be like his mentor and start a different guy every week. Don't know if theres a player out there with a larger upside. Slaton -- look last year the Texans O was a awesome and he sucked even when he didn't fumble it - I think Slaton might be another Michael Clayton

 

[Tango]

Ian Allan and the guys at Index moved Foster from #21 to #10 this week in yardage leagues. I think Slaton returning kicks tells us what we need to know. Foster's redzone running also probably helped push him up in everyone's mind.

That being said, Foster is always a fumble or two away from losing the job (his fumble this week wasnt terrible like Slaton's the week before); until Slaton/Johnson fumble again....and then he'll get it back again.

 

[Grahamburn]

Foster plays on one of the best offenses in football and showed last year in his 2 chances to shine what he can do. If Kubes is committed he could be a 1250 yd 12 TD running back with another 20-30 rec and maybe a score. Or he can be like his mentor and start a different guy every week. Don't know if theres a player out there with a larger upside. Slaton -- look last year the Texans O was a awesome and he sucked even when he didn't fumble it - I think Slaton might be another Michael Clayton

I doubt Foster is going to get enough touches to put up those numbers. They way both of these guys are fumbling Matt Schaub is going to throw the heck out of the ball.

 

[Banger]

Ian Allan and the guys at Index moved Foster from #21 to #10 this week in yardage leagues. I think Slaton returning kicks tells us what we need to know. Foster's redzone running also probably helped push him up in everyone's mind.

That being said, Foster is always a fumble or two away from losing the job (his fumble this week wasnt terrible like Slaton's the week before); until Slaton/Johnson fumble again....and then he'll get it back again.

now that is nuts. He's got zero upside if he's drafted that high and still has Kubiak risk.

 

[jaylasoul14]

Why is that nuts, he is looking to me like a 300 touch back and is a steal in the 5th round. High powered offense, goal line carries, what more could you ask for. I agree with Index.

 

[Grahamburn]

Why is that nuts, he is looking to me like a 300 touch back and is a steal in the 5th round. High powered offense, goal line carries, what more could you ask for. I agree with Index.

This is getting out of hand.

 

[Shutout]

Ian Allan and the guys at Index moved Foster from #21 to #10 this week in yardage leagues. I think Slaton returning kicks tells us what we need to know. Foster's redzone running also probably helped push him up in everyone's mind.

That being said, Foster is always a fumble or two away from losing the job (his fumble this week wasnt terrible like Slaton's the week before); until Slaton/Johnson fumble again....and then he'll get it back again.

now that is nuts. He's got zero upside if he's drafted that high and still has Kubiak risk.

I agree its really unlikely that he will be the FOTM he is getting attention as (For the record, however, I am one of the guys that has been saying I expect a really good year from him). However, I don't really know how you can say he has no upside drafted in that range.There are several seasons when unproven rookies come in and put up great seasons. Slaton from the same team, Forte, and probably at least one guy from each year usually does it. So I don't really see why this couldn't be the case for Foster.

For whatever reason, it seems like a lot of people are doubting that foster could be a top 15 RB but almost no one was saying that Tate couldn't come in and be that type of back before he got hurt. That really doesn't make sense that we, by and large, expect unproven rookies to come in and do despite the fact that they have never played against this level of talent but we shrug off players that are already in the league that have shown that, albeit on a small sample size, have done it. Scouting departments and team management are not flawless...they make mistakes sometimes and miss talent.

Is there really that much difference between being drafted in the 6th round like Terrell Davis and not being drafted? Is there a reason that people almost universally accept 7th round draft pick Justin forsett has a ton of potential but Foster gets talked down? What does it really matter once the player has shown on an NFL field that he belongs?

Anyone in FF can do something by drafting the high proile guys, but its the guys that pick up the Tom Bradys and Pierre Thomas' and Terrell Davis...and perhaps the Arian Fosters of the world that get their value returned 10 fold. Looking at Foster, I see him as that kind of pick. But, of course, its too late now. Those of us who got him last year got him for peanuts. Now its just a matter of deciding how much he's worth.

 

[humpback]

Why is that nuts, he is looking to me like a 300 touch back and is a steal in the 5th round. High powered offense, goal line carries, what more could you ask for. I agree with Index.

Except you aren't getting the #10 RB in the 5th round, he (the #10 RB that is) will be taken in the 2nd round of just about every draft. I like the guy too, but that is nuts right now. 5th round isn't nuts IMO, but ranking him the #10 RB or taking him in the 2nd round is.

 

[TheFanatic]

In my main dynasty league he went 4th overall in the rookie/FA Draft draft. Mathews, Spiller, Best, Foster, Hardesty, Dez Bryant. Non PPR and RB's are gold...

 

[DansRams]

I find this humorousArian Foster is a nobody who had a few good games while Houston's true starter had been sidelined with a nerve injury.by midseason, Arian Foster will be back to being a nobody and folks will be pissed that they dumped on Slaton so easily.

Are you sure ?

 

[DansRams]

This is why this website is so valuable to me. I'm betting most of my fellow drafters in my league won't have Foster on their radar.

I think that will change now. He will be shooting up in the stratsophere. Foster is the cheapest/most efficient way from an ADP standpoint to buy into 200+ touches of the Texans' offense. He might be the cheapest way to buy into any of the Top 10 offenses.

If tates injury would have happened in preseason week 3 or 4 then Foster might be the steal of the draft. Now as it stands I have a feeling he will be way overvalued come draft time. I could see someone drafting him in the 4rth just because of the offense he is in.

The unquestioned starting RB for one of the better offences in the NFL is not overrated because they are drafted in the 4th round. He may not be underrated any more based on that, but I wouldn't say overrated either. It is within reason that he could put up similar numbers to Mathews, who some believe is worth a late number one and most believe is worth at least a 2nd round pick.* Both are big backs capacble of playing all three downs and get TD carries for a top passing offence. * Both have 3rd down backs (sproles and slaton) that will take away some carries and catches. * Houston actually has a better OL * AJ is in camp and at the top of his game (VJax may not play at all).Mathews is likely the better talent, but including situation....I'm not sure there is a 2+ round difference between these guys this year.

You heard it here

 

[DansRams]

I'm not drafting Foster as my #1 RB, but I'm certainly taking him ahead of Slaton. That's all I think most people are trying to say.

lots of folks were talking about him being a 4th rounder. That's when I stuck my nose in this thread. 7th/8th round? mebbeAhead of Slaton? mebbe4th round? Are you KIDDING me???

No

 

[benm3218]

Slaton is healthy and he so far has 9 carries for 43 yards which is 4.7 a carry.

Foster has 52 for 300 which is 5.7 a carry.

So far Slaton is an afterthought in fantasy circles. Funny how so many couldn't see the writing on the wall and thought Snacks Slaton was going to enjoy a nice amount of touches.

 

[TheFanatic]

Slaton is healthy and he so far has 9 carries for 43 yards which is 4.7 a carry.Foster has 52 for 300 which is 5.7 a carry. So far Slaton is an afterthought in fantasy circles. Funny how so many couldn't see the writing on the wall and thought Snacks Slaton was going to enjoy a nice amount of touches.

Foster didn't show as much as Harrison last year and look at what Harrison has done. It all seemed so evident that Foster was destined for greatness that you predicted a 200 yard rushing game against the Colts right?And yes, Foster has a 5.8 YPC, but that is also trending the wrong way, albeit the trend is only two games. 7.0 against the Colts, most of which was after Bob Sanders was knocked out of the game, and 3.6 vs the Skins. Keep an eye on that trend. And also watch to make sure he doesn't drop the ball, as he has had fumbling issues as well, and you might find that the Foster might not make the pro-bowl this year as he seems to already have been annointed.

 

[benm3218]

Slaton is healthy and he so far has 9 carries for 43 yards which is 4.7 a carry.Foster has 52 for 300 which is 5.7 a carry. So far Slaton is an afterthought in fantasy circles. Funny how so many couldn't see the writing on the wall and thought Snacks Slaton was going to enjoy a nice amount of touches.

Foster didn't show as much as Harrison last year and look at what Harrison has done. It all seemed so evident that Foster was destined for greatness that you predicted a 200 yard rushing game against the Colts right?And yes, Foster has a 5.8 YPC, but that is also trending the wrong way, albeit the trend is only two games. 7.0 against the Colts, most of which was after Bob Sanders was knocked out of the game, and 3.6 vs the Skins. Keep an eye on that trend. And also watch to make sure he doesn't drop the ball, as he has had fumbling issues as well, and you might find that the Foster might not make the pro-bowl this year as he seems to already have been annointed.

Where is Slaton?

 

[the spanker]

Slaton is healthy and he so far has 9 carries for 43 yards which is 4.7 a carry.Foster has 52 for 300 which is 5.7 a carry. So far Slaton is an afterthought in fantasy circles. Funny how so many couldn't see the writing on the wall and thought Snacks Slaton was going to enjoy a nice amount of touches.

Foster didn't show as much as Harrison last year and look at what Harrison has done. It all seemed so evident that Foster was destined for greatness that you predicted a 200 yard rushing game against the Colts right?And yes, Foster has a 5.8 YPC, but that is also trending the wrong way, albeit the trend is only two games. 7.0 against the Colts, most of which was after Bob Sanders was knocked out of the game, and 3.6 vs the Skins. Keep an eye on that trend. And also watch to make sure he doesn't drop the ball, as he has had fumbling issues as well, and you might find that the Foster might not make the pro-bowl this year as he seems to already have been annointed.

Where is Slaton?

Sitting on my waivers right now and should be on my bench to backup Foster just in case. Thanks for the info, Slaton should not be on waivers.

 

[benm3218]

Slaton is done and over... I can't believe it takes so many people so long to know that. He isn't that talented, and the fumbles make him a risky play for his coaches.

It wouldn't surprise me if the Texans were interested in Westbrook and just replaced Slaton that way.

I'm bookmarking this thread so I can come back and laugh later in the year.

Tiki Barber had 4 years in a row where he fumbled more than Slaton did last year. The three years after that he produced 1500+ yard seasons. I think Slaton showed enough talent in his rookie season to still have a decent place in the offense. To totally dismiss him seems foolish to me although I do see Foster as the workhorse.

A few things:

1. Please leave Chris Henry out of this. He's a terrible running back. I'm sure he looked good at camp. He usually does. He has jaw-dropping speed and strength. But perhaps the worst vision in NFL history.

2. Steve Slaton averaged 4.8 ypc in 2008. He was injured in 2009. As over-rated as he may have been going into last year, he's almost just as underrated going into this season.

3. Arian Foster had a few nice games but is essentially unproven.

What's the point? Anyone claiming that Slaton is only going to get 10 carries a game is deluding themselves.

If Slaton is healthy, and if he can return to 2008 form, than he has the seniority and has accomplished more, and could easily earn the majority of the carries.

That being said, if Slaton's healthy continues to be a problem and if he continues to play poorly, I'm sure Foster will get the majority.

The decision hasn't been made yet and is up to Slaton, imo.

Well Yesterday with Foster out Slaton still didn't get any carries of any significance. He had 5 on the day and Derrick Ward of all people had 12. Foster then came in and slammed home a long TD run and had the majority of carries.

Anyone STILL think Slaton is a good RB? Because he isn't. Like I said, "Slaton is done". An afterthought and not relevant at all in the fantasy football arena.

 

[benm3218]

Well Foster is still the leagues leading rusher.

Slaton has 19 attempts on the year. The good news is he hasn't fumbled yet. Anyone still rostering him?