Carson Palmer Traded to Oakland (1 Viewer)

[BlackMagic10]

For everyone saying this is a bad deal, what would you have given for Rich Gannon when the Raiders got him? How much did you think he was worth. Most felt he was another Raider retread and look at how that played out. I'm not saying Palmer will light the world on fire, but it is way too early to call this a bad deal.

This is really all there is to it. They payed a king's ransom, but it's far too early to call this "the worst trade in the history of the NFL", or something along those lines. People were down on Oakland for the Seymour deal and that worked out pretty well I'd say.

 

[Joe Summer]

For everyone saying this is a bad deal, what would you have given for Rich Gannon when the Raiders got him? How much did you think he was worth. Most felt he was another Raider retread and look at how that played out. I'm not saying Palmer will light the world on fire, but it is way too early to call this a bad deal.

They signed Gannon as a FREE AGENT! It cost them NOTHING!!!

 

[footballnerd]

This will be one of the easiest gigs of Palmer's career, no sweat.

 

[Raider Nation]

Jay Glazer "Mike Brown didnt expect a first rd pick. Hue convinced him"

Explains why this deal seems so lopsided. MB had ZERO intention of trading Palmer.

Mike Brown is a man whose principles will not be compromised. Unless, you know... he gets the right deal.

 

[SacramentoBob]

Jay Glazer "Mike Brown didnt expect a first rd pick. Hue convinced him"

Explains why this deal seems so lopsided. MB had ZERO intention of trading Palmer.

Mike Brown is a man whose principles will not be compromised. Unless, you know... he gets the right deal.

So he wouldn't accept 96%?

 

[Bob Magaw]

when i think of oakland's history and legacy of davis, a few things come to mind...

speed (of course).

stockpiling and rehabilitating former first round picks (preferably high) from other teams.

the deep ball (ie - daryl lamonica).

ressurecting the careers of veteran QBs (plunkett, gannon, etc.).

this trade would seem to be a good fit based on the last three criteria.

palmer's history with jackson dating back to USC should help him get up to speed quickly, despite missing the first six weeks of the season.

presumably they had a chance to vet him medically, and also to check out the state of his arm in workouts (he has been throwing in california.

ocho cinco hasn't been the same player for a few years... one thing palmer could do better than campbell, if his arm isn't shot, is he throws a nice, catchable, accurate deep ball... that dovetails with the skill sets of DHB, ford and moore.

mcfadden will take more pressure off palmer than benson did, and if palmer is an upgrade, that will help mcfadden in turn...

CIN no doubt maximized value (an can feel good with the offense in the hands of dalton), so congrats to them... i think this trade could work out well for OAK, too.

* if palmer is an upgrade, these aren't going to be top 10 picks...

ATL was cut some slack for the julio jones trade, with the thinking that the multiple first round picks wouldn't be high picks (plus the other picks they gave up in 2011 & 2012 drafts)... jones is a great young player, but OAK gave up less (depending on who finishes where next few seasons), and a QB can impact a team more than a WR.

 

[Sea Duck]

The Raiders have spent 3 of their first 4 2012 draft picks on quarterbacks!

 

[thriftyrocker]

How much FAAB budget % are people laying down on Palmer in dynasty leagues?

 

[Comer]

The Davis' makes the Ford's look like the Kraft's. Someone should dig up Al and roll him over for this move.

 

[kaso]

For everyone saying this is a bad deal, what would you have given for Rich Gannon when the Raiders got him? How much did you think he was worth. Most felt he was another Raider retread and look at how that played out. I'm not saying Palmer will light the world on fire, but it is way too early to call this a bad deal.

They signed Gannon as a FREE AGENT! It cost them NOTHING!!!

Might want to read that again Summer. "...what would you have given for... He wasn't commenting on what the Raiders actually paid. Just pointing out that a vet QB came in and made a pretty big difference.

 

[5Rings]

lolRaiders, joke of a franchise, joke of the NFL.

Oakland>seattle.

 

[footballnerd]

Watching the Raiders press with Carson, looks like they redid his contract for about 4 yrs and as much as $15M per year.

 

[massraider]

Raiders 2012 draft:

1st round: Carson Palmer--plus a 2nd next year (unless anyone is predicting AFC Championship game?)

2nd round: RB Taiwan Jones, RT Joseph Barksdale

3rd round: QB Terrelle Pryor

4th round: Jason Campbell

7th round: Aaron Curry

Still have:

5th round

6th round

And three comp picks for Nnamdi, Miller, and Gallery.

Going to have 5 picks from 3rd round on (I expect a 3 and two 4ths), and aside from Campbell (I have no problem with that trade in hindsight), all of these picks should be on the team for the forseeable future.

There is a whole lot of uncertainty there, but the Raiders look to get as much production/playing time from 2012 draft as anyone else.

 

[footballnerd]

Raiders 2012 draft:1st round: Carson Palmer--plus a 2nd next year (unless anyone is predicting AFC Championship game?)2nd round: RB Taiwan Jones, RT Joseph Barksdale3rd round: QB Terrelle Pryor4th round: Jason Campbell7th round: Aaron CurryStill have:5th round6th roundAnd three comp picks for Nnamdi, Miller, and Gallery. Going to have 5 picks from 3rd round on (I expect a 3 and two 4ths), and aside from Campbell (I have no problem with that trade in hindsight), all of these picks should be on the team for the forseeable future. There is a whole lot of uncertainty there, but the Raiders look to get as much production/playing time from 2012 draft as anyone else.

not to mention the years they save trying to develop a rookie QB.

 

[massraider]

not to mention the years they save trying to develop a rookie QB.

Hey, I am sure it will just seem that I am trying to spin things, but we just used the draft picks already. None of them are one year rentals (well, Campbell I suppose, but we got a year+ out of him).If Barksdale winds up as the right tackle next year, a distinct possibility, then he and Taiwan Jones for a 2nd rounder seems kind of nice.If Curry can even make the team, a 7th rounder is just swell. Carson is the big IF. But if he hits even remotely, this draft could be more than just an average draft, it could be a great one.

 

[Joe Summer]

For everyone saying this is a bad deal, what would you have given for Rich Gannon when the Raiders got him? How much did you think he was worth. Most felt he was another Raider retread and look at how that played out. I'm not saying Palmer will light the world on fire, but it is way too early to call this a bad deal.

They signed Gannon as a FREE AGENT! It cost them NOTHING!!!

Might want to read that again Summer. "...what would you have given for... He wasn't commenting on what the Raiders actually paid. Just pointing out that a vet QB came in and made a pretty big difference.

I just read it again and I laughed even harder. I'm sure the Vikings had the same mentality as you guys when they traded for Herschel Walker.

And I'm sure the Raider homers would still be bringing up Rich Gannon if Oakland had traded TWENTY draft picks for Palmer! "WHAT IF HE WINS THE SUPER BOWL?!? IT'LL ALL BE WORTH IT!!!"

 

[johnadams]

lolRaiders, joke of a franchise, joke of the NFL.

Oakland>seattle.

Yeah, I think Seattle is probably the biggest joke. At least OAK made an effort to get someone who has had success rather than relying on multiple castoffs at QB and a HC castoff from a disgraced college program who laughed all the way to the bank.

 

[fantasizing]

3,970 passing yards and 26 TD's last year, and is only 31 years old. Hardly seems washed up to me.

Has Campbell been able to put up stats like that?

Chad Ochocinko isn't exactly lighting up the score sheet with Tom Brady throwing to him.

It will be interesting to see how this trade pans out for Oakland and Palmer.

McFadden stands to benefit the most, because teams will have to respect the passing game given Palmer's history.

 

[Routilla]

So how soon will Palmer play?

 

[RhymesMcJuice]

How much FAAB budget % are people laying down on Palmer in dynasty leagues?

The guy hasn't been a QB1 since 2007, why would anyone else him to be one now at nearly 32?

 

[Fensalk]

Nothing makes sports more interesting than one team making a bold move. Interest in the Raiders just went through the roof. Everyone will take sides on the trade, and then root for or against them to protect their credibility.

 

[RhymesMcJuice]

3,970 passing yards and 26 TD's last year, and is only 31 years old. Hardly seems washed up to me.Has Campbell been able to put up stats like that?Chad Ochocinko isn't exactly lighting up the score sheet with Tom Brady throwing to him.It will be interesting to see how this trade pans out for Oakland and Palmer.McFadden stands to benefit the most, because teams will have to respect the passing game given Palmer's history.

He turns 32 in December and you forgot to mention his 20 INT's and lousy 6.7 YPA since he was injured. I expect slightly better numbers from him than Campbell but I think it's a stretch that he'll light it up.

 

[Joe Summer]

3,970 passing yards and 26 TD's last year, and is only 31 years old. Hardly seems washed up to me.Has Campbell been able to put up stats like that?

Campbell had 3600 and 20 once. This year he was on pace for 3500/19.

 

[twistd]

There are a lot of teams with bad QB2 situations. OAK is not alone. In fact, there are very few with good QB2 situations. I haven't looked at every team's back-ups, but I can't think of a single team that has a back-up that's good enough to lead them to the playoffs. The reality is that on most playoff contending teams, the drop from their starting QB to the back-up QB is so great that they all would be very questionable to make the playoffs. It's a little disingenuous to say that OAK should have dealt with their QB2 situation during preseason when almost nobody has a good enough back-up. Personally, I think Campbell isn't much more than a quality back-up in relation to the top QBs, but there is such a shortage of quality QBs, that he's actually good enough to be a starter.

And there are teams that have more than one solid QB, like the Patriots. Brian Hoyer will probably get a shot at starting in the next few years. Mallet looked good in the preseason. The Packers have Matt Flynn. Caleb Hanie has looked pretty good. Shaun Hill has played well when called upon, so has Jon Kitna. Injuries are an unfortunate fact of life in the NFL. If you don't at least try to have some back up plan in place you can sacrifice a season. Give the Raiders credit for doing what they have to remain competitive this season. But the price wouldn't be so high if they had prepared in advance.

 

[fantasizing]

3,970 passing yards and 26 TD's last year, and is only 31 years old. Hardly seems washed up to me.Has Campbell been able to put up stats like that?Chad Ochocinko isn't exactly lighting up the score sheet with Tom Brady throwing to him.It will be interesting to see how this trade pans out for Oakland and Palmer.McFadden stands to benefit the most, because teams will have to respect the passing game given Palmer's history.

He turns 32 in December and you forgot to mention his 20 INT's and lousy 6.7 YPA since he was injured. I expect slightly better numbers from him than Campbell but I think it's a stretch that he'll light it up.

Not suggesting he will light it up, but he has a track record that Campbell clearly does not. Yes, he threw alot of picks last year, but he also got to that plateau of 4,000 yards and 25 TD's. Again, I think it has to benefit McFadden. I can't see how this will hurt McFadden. Benson was doing well in Cincy with Palmer at the helm, and McFadden is light years ahead of Benson in raw talent.32 years old for a QB is nothing really. Next to kickers, they have the longest longetivity.

 

[Fensalk]

Historical note:

This talk about spending all your picks on QBs brings up the Dallas Cowboys who in 1989 spent TWO first round draft picks on Quarterbacks. They held the #1 overall pick and used it to select Troy Aikman. They also surrendered their first rounder in the 1990 draft to select QB Steve Walsh in the supplemental draft.

Steve Walsh was a bust. The Cowboys would go 1-15 in 1989, and would have had the #1 overall pick AGAIN in 1990 had they not selected Walsh. The #1 pick fell to the Colts, who drafted QB Jeff George.

They probably pass on Jeff George. Who else was drafted high in 1990?

1.02 Jets - RB Blair Thomas

1.03 Seahawks - DT Cortez Kennedy

1.04 Buccaneers - LB Keith McCants

1.05 Chargers - LB Junior Seau

1.06 Bears - CB Mark Carrier

The Cowboys wound up taking Emmitt Smith in 1990 later in the day. Perhaps they would've taken Blair Thomas instead of Emmitt Smith? That means Emmitt Smith would've fell to the Packers instead. Or maybe they grab Cortez Kennedy and put him on their DL.

And a note on the Cleveland Browns. They didn't have a first round pick in 1990. They traded it the year prior to the Packers to add TE Lawyer Tillman. That means Emmitt Smith could've been a Brown.

 

[thriftyrocker]

How much FAAB budget % are people laying down on Palmer in dynasty leagues?

The guy hasn't been a QB1 since 2007, why would anyone else him to be one now at nearly 32?

In a league where guys like Hoyer, Flynn, Josh Johnson, and Pryor who are longshots to ever be top 15 QBs are rostered, he has value. Even if the chance he gets back to 2007 form are 0, he has value in dynasty leagues as depth and spot starter. By week 6 most waiver discoveries have already been found in deep leagues, so the reason to hang onto FAAB$ are lower.

 

[RaiderBones]

Don't believe the Raiders will have one pick in first 4 rounds next year.

I'm certainly not a fan of giving up even one first-round pick for Palmer, but Oakland is likely to be picking in the bottom half of the first round for the next few years. There are no guarantees that first-round picks will be a success, especially ones at the back half of the round. But still, this deal was short-sighted. Anything short of a Super Bowl appearance in the next two years renders this a bad deal. And unless our defense has a miraculous transformation, that is not a reality.

And? Go back and look at recent drafts, a good amount of solid/star players that were had in the later part of the first round.

And also a lot of turds taken in the late first round. Not gaurantees that a late first round player will hit.

Thanks, Captain Obvious. This also in: The sky is blue!I guess we should abandon the entire draft since there are "no guarantees"

Thanks I needed a good laugh.

 

[Short Corner]

Color me shocked that the Raiders still had a 2012 1st.

 

[RaiderBones]

There are a lot of teams with bad QB2 situations. OAK is not alone. In fact, there are very few with good QB2 situations. I haven't looked at every team's back-ups, but I can't think of a single team that has a back-up that's good enough to lead them to the playoffs. The reality is that on most playoff contending teams, the drop from their starting QB to the back-up QB is so great that they all would be very questionable to make the playoffs. It's a little disingenuous to say that OAK should have dealt with their QB2 situation during preseason when almost nobody has a good enough back-up. Personally, I think Campbell isn't much more than a quality back-up in relation to the top QBs, but there is such a shortage of quality QBs, that he's actually good enough to be a starter.

And there are teams that have more than one solid QB, like the Patriots. Brian Hoyer will probably get a shot at starting in the next few years. Mallet looked good in the preseason. The Packers have Matt Flynn. Caleb Hanie has looked pretty good. Shaun Hill has played well when called upon, so has Jon Kitna. Injuries are an unfortunate fact of life in the NFL. If you don't at least try to have some back up plan in place you can sacrifice a season. Give the Raiders credit for doing what they have to remain competitive this season. But the price wouldn't be so high if they had prepared in advance.

I don't get your point. Both Shaun Hill and Jon Kitna played alot last year and the teams they were on didn't win much. So you consider that being a good backup? Yea they put up decent stats, but decent stats do not win games.

 

[Short Corner]

There are a lot of teams with bad QB2 situations. OAK is not alone. In fact, there are very few with good QB2 situations. I haven't looked at every team's back-ups, but I can't think of a single team that has a back-up that's good enough to lead them to the playoffs. The reality is that on most playoff contending teams, the drop from their starting QB to the back-up QB is so great that they all would be very questionable to make the playoffs. It's a little disingenuous to say that OAK should have dealt with their QB2 situation during preseason when almost nobody has a good enough back-up. Personally, I think Campbell isn't much more than a quality back-up in relation to the top QBs, but there is such a shortage of quality QBs, that he's actually good enough to be a starter.

And there are teams that have more than one solid QB, like the Patriots. Brian Hoyer will probably get a shot at starting in the next few years. Mallet looked good in the preseason. The Packers have Matt Flynn. Caleb Hanie has looked pretty good. Shaun Hill has played well when called upon, so has Jon Kitna. Injuries are an unfortunate fact of life in the NFL. If you don't at least try to have some back up plan in place you can sacrifice a season. Give the Raiders credit for doing what they have to remain competitive this season. But the price wouldn't be so high if they had prepared in advance.

I don't get your point. Both Shaun Hill and Jon Kitna played alot last year and the teams they were on didn't win much. So you consider that being a good backup? Yea they put up decent stats, but decent stats do not win games.

Back ups aren't usually counted on to win games. If a back up comes in and doesn't lose it for you then they are a very good back up.

 

[SacramentoBob]

3,970 passing yards and 26 TD's last year, and is only 31 years old. Hardly seems washed up to me.Has Campbell been able to put up stats like that?

Campbell had 3600 and 20 once. This year he was on pace for 3500/19.

Pretty ####ty in today's NFL when you've got multiple guys looking at going over 5K and several in the 4.5K pace range. 3500 is the new 3000.

 

[sycamore]

Raiders 2012 draft:1st round: Carson Palmer--plus a 2nd next year (unless anyone is predicting AFC Championship game?)2nd round: RB Taiwan Jones, RT Joseph Barksdale3rd round: QB Terrelle Pryor4th round: Jason Campbell7th round: Aaron CurryStill have:5th round6th roundAnd three comp picks for Nnamdi, Miller, and Gallery. Going to have 5 picks from 3rd round on (I expect a 3 and two 4ths), and aside from Campbell (I have no problem with that trade in hindsight), all of these picks should be on the team for the forseeable future. There is a whole lot of uncertainty there, but the Raiders look to get as much production/playing time from 2012 draft as anyone else.

not to mention the years they save trying to develop a rookie QB.

best post yet

 

[cheese]

3,970 passing yards and 26 TD's last year, and is only 31 years old. Hardly seems washed up to me.

Has Campbell been able to put up stats like that?

Chad Ochocinko isn't exactly lighting up the score sheet with Tom Brady throwing to him.

It will be interesting to see how this trade pans out for Oakland and Palmer.

McFadden stands to benefit the most, because teams will have to respect the passing game given Palmer's history.

Palmer has been and could be again a good QB. With that said, if you watched the games last year Palmer was awful regardless of those stats. Not average... probably worse than Jason Campbell. He threw 20 picks (some of the worst picks you will ever see) that buried Cincy in nearly every game and then piled up stats trying to bring them back. I won't be surprised if he plays better, but he honestly hasn't been good since 2006 except for a few extremely clutch plays in 2009.

 

[GreenNGold]

There are a lot of teams with bad QB2 situations. OAK is not alone. In fact, there are very few with good QB2 situations. I haven't looked at every team's back-ups, but I can't think of a single team that has a back-up that's good enough to lead them to the playoffs. The reality is that on most playoff contending teams, the drop from their starting QB to the back-up QB is so great that they all would be very questionable to make the playoffs. It's a little disingenuous to say that OAK should have dealt with their QB2 situation during preseason when almost nobody has a good enough back-up. Personally, I think Campbell isn't much more than a quality back-up in relation to the top QBs, but there is such a shortage of quality QBs, that he's actually good enough to be a starter.

And there are teams that have more than one solid QB, like the Patriots. Brian Hoyer will probably get a shot at starting in the next few years. Mallet looked good in the preseason. The Packers have Matt Flynn. Caleb Hanie has looked pretty good. Shaun Hill has played well when called upon, so has Jon Kitna. Injuries are an unfortunate fact of life in the NFL. If you don't at least try to have some back up plan in place you can sacrifice a season. Give the Raiders credit for doing what they have to remain competitive this season. But the price wouldn't be so high if they had prepared in advance.

If only the Indianapolis Colts were as smart as you. The teams that have a capable backup are extremely fortunate and few and far between. Most teams are lucky to even have 1 good starter. QB talent is not exactly easy to come by.

 

[Joe Summer]

With that said, if you watched the games last year Palmer was awful regardless of those stats. Not average... probably worse than Jason Campbell. He threw 20 picks (some of the worst picks you will ever see) that buried Cincy in nearly every game and then piled up stats trying to bring them back.

According to the game logs, Palmer threw only 4 total INTs in the 1st quarter last season, and he actually played his worst during the 4th quarter:http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/6337/situational;_ylt=AjKNqKF9wa7g5otusS36KYz.uLYF?year=2010

Granted, he played better when the Bengals were behind......but that could be due more to the fact that Bengals were behind a lot.

 

[DaveGrumbles]

For everyone saying this is a bad deal, what would you have given for Rich Gannon when the Raiders got him? How much did you think he was worth. Most felt he was another Raider retread and look at how that played out. I'm not saying Palmer will light the world on fire, but it is way too early to call this a bad deal.

They signed Gannon as a FREE AGENT! It cost them NOTHING!!!

Might want to read that again Summer. "...what would you have given for... He wasn't commenting on what the Raiders actually paid. Just pointing out that a vet QB came in and made a pretty big difference.

I just read it again and I laughed even harder. I'm sure the Vikings had the same mentality as you guys when they traded for Herschel Walker.

And I'm sure the Raider homers would still be bringing up Rich Gannon if Oakland had traded TWENTY draft picks for Palmer! "WHAT IF HE WINS THE SUPER BOWL?!? IT'LL ALL BE WORTH IT!!!"

The smileys and caps aside, your final point is pretty ridiculous. Of course the chance at a Super Bowl is worth it. Especially to a franchise with wide fan bases like the Cowboys, Pack, Steelers and the Raiders. First off, home playoff games are huge windfalls for these organizations, rebuilding their brand and moving product based on that success obviously helps too. The money of course makes it worth it to put winning teams on the field if even for a short period of time. So in terms of mortgaging your future for a couple playoffs seasons...yeah for a former great franchise thats probably getting killed financially by being playoff irrelevant for most of the last 25 years...its worth it, or as you put it, "WORTH IT!! "And I'm actually in your camp saying it's a horribly lopsided deal in favor of Cincy but I can still understand the idea behind it. It's not like the Raiders and Cincy aren't accustomed to using high draft picks to get worse...may as well try building wins from the outside.

 

[Short Corner]

Raiders 2012 draft:1st round: Carson Palmer--plus a 2nd next year (unless anyone is predicting AFC Championship game?)2nd round: RB Taiwan Jones, RT Joseph Barksdale3rd round: QB Terrelle Pryor4th round: Jason Campbell7th round: Aaron CurryStill have:5th round6th roundAnd three comp picks for Nnamdi, Miller, and Gallery. Going to have 5 picks from 3rd round on (I expect a 3 and two 4ths), and aside from Campbell (I have no problem with that trade in hindsight), all of these picks should be on the team for the forseeable future. There is a whole lot of uncertainty there, but the Raiders look to get as much production/playing time from 2012 draft as anyone else.

They aren't taking advantage of the new CBA. Rookies got ####ed over. You basically have them for 4 years plus an option below market value. Draft picks are worth a lot more than they used to be, especially when budgeting future cap space.

 

[twistd]

There are a lot of teams with bad QB2 situations. OAK is not alone. In fact, there are very few with good QB2 situations. I haven't looked at every team's back-ups, but I can't think of a single team that has a back-up that's good enough to lead them to the playoffs. The reality is that on most playoff contending teams, the drop from their starting QB to the back-up QB is so great that they all would be very questionable to make the playoffs. It's a little disingenuous to say that OAK should have dealt with their QB2 situation during preseason when almost nobody has a good enough back-up. Personally, I think Campbell isn't much more than a quality back-up in relation to the top QBs, but there is such a shortage of quality QBs, that he's actually good enough to be a starter.

And there are teams that have more than one solid QB, like the Patriots. Brian Hoyer will probably get a shot at starting in the next few years. Mallet looked good in the preseason. The Packers have Matt Flynn. Caleb Hanie has looked pretty good. Shaun Hill has played well when called upon, so has Jon Kitna. Injuries are an unfortunate fact of life in the NFL. If you don't at least try to have some back up plan in place you can sacrifice a season. Give the Raiders credit for doing what they have to remain competitive this season. But the price wouldn't be so high if they had prepared in advance.

I don't get your point. Both Shaun Hill and Jon Kitna played alot last year and the teams they were on didn't win much. So you consider that being a good backup? Yea they put up decent stats, but decent stats do not win games.

Shaun Hill and Kitna did their jobs effectively. You can't expect to have a back up QB carry the team. But you need a guy who can come in and give your team a chance to win. Hill and Kitna did that. Were the teams weaker with Stafford and Romo out? Of course they were, but both Hill and Kitna came in and did a decent job. The fact that the teams didn't win isn't on them. I think Charlie Batch and Leftwich are the perfect examples of solid back up QBs for a team. The Steelers are much better with Big Ben, but they were still able to win with Batch or Leftwich. The Raiders have so little faith in Boeller that as soon as Campbell is hurt they are searching for a new starter. That is just being unprepared to me. We have seen teams lose two or three QBs in a season. You can never prepare for that. But a lot of starters miss time and you need to at least have one decent back up option.

 

[twistd]

There are a lot of teams with bad QB2 situations. OAK is not alone. In fact, there are very few with good QB2 situations. I haven't looked at every team's back-ups, but I can't think of a single team that has a back-up that's good enough to lead them to the playoffs. The reality is that on most playoff contending teams, the drop from their starting QB to the back-up QB is so great that they all would be very questionable to make the playoffs. It's a little disingenuous to say that OAK should have dealt with their QB2 situation during preseason when almost nobody has a good enough back-up. Personally, I think Campbell isn't much more than a quality back-up in relation to the top QBs, but there is such a shortage of quality QBs, that he's actually good enough to be a starter.

And there are teams that have more than one solid QB, like the Patriots. Brian Hoyer will probably get a shot at starting in the next few years. Mallet looked good in the preseason. The Packers have Matt Flynn. Caleb Hanie has looked pretty good. Shaun Hill has played well when called upon, so has Jon Kitna. Injuries are an unfortunate fact of life in the NFL. If you don't at least try to have some back up plan in place you can sacrifice a season. Give the Raiders credit for doing what they have to remain competitive this season. But the price wouldn't be so high if they had prepared in advance.

If only the Indianapolis Colts were as smart as you. The teams that have a capable backup are extremely fortunate and few and far between. Most teams are lucky to even have 1 good starter. QB talent is not exactly easy to come by.

Two things, first Peyton has never been hurt. And it was hard to develop a decent back up because Peyton demanded all the snaps. Second, I don't think Curtis Painter is that bad. Considering his lack of even practice reps through his career he is doing alright. It also shows that Peyton is probably more valuable to his team than any other player in the league. If Brady went down the Patriots are still a good bet to go to the playoffs. If Rodgers goes down in Green Bay the Packers are still probably a playoff team. With Peyton gone the Colts are in danger of going winless. Peyton has done a masterful job of compensating for his teams faults. With him gone they are all exposed.You are right, there is a shortage of QB talent in the league. But some teams, like the Packers, the Patriots, and the Steelers, always have a guy that can come in and do a decent job. Some teams prepare and some teams don't.

 

[QuizGuy66]

Btw, so what's the difference between what "Mr. I'm playing for the Love of The Game and it's not about the Money"'s original contract and the redone deal with the Raiders?

-QG

 

[twistd]

There are a lot of teams with bad QB2 situations. OAK is not alone. In fact, there are very few with good QB2 situations. I haven't looked at every team's back-ups, but I can't think of a single team that has a back-up that's good enough to lead them to the playoffs. The reality is that on most playoff contending teams, the drop from their starting QB to the back-up QB is so great that they all would be very questionable to make the playoffs. It's a little disingenuous to say that OAK should have dealt with their QB2 situation during preseason when almost nobody has a good enough back-up. Personally, I think Campbell isn't much more than a quality back-up in relation to the top QBs, but there is such a shortage of quality QBs, that he's actually good enough to be a starter.

And there are teams that have more than one solid QB, like the Patriots. Brian Hoyer will probably get a shot at starting in the next few years. Mallet looked good in the preseason. The Packers have Matt Flynn. Caleb Hanie has looked pretty good. Shaun Hill has played well when called upon, so has Jon Kitna. Injuries are an unfortunate fact of life in the NFL. If you don't at least try to have some back up plan in place you can sacrifice a season. Give the Raiders credit for doing what they have to remain competitive this season. But the price wouldn't be so high if they had prepared in advance.

Mallet to Oakland would have been very interesting and I'm sure much cheaper.

I never thought of that. I wonder if the Patriots would have traded Mallet for one first rounder. For them it would be turning a third in to a first in half a season. I don't know if Mallet has the instant impact, but that is a really interesting proposition. And long term it is much better for the Raiders. All speculation now, but food for thought.

 

[LawFitz]

BB would've trade Mallet for a 1st no problem. But Hue didn't want a rookie. This team is built to win now.

 

[Raider Nation]

Pretty sure Palmer isn't getting Shane Lechler's #9 jersey. But the #3 he wore at USC is available.

Confirmed. Memories of Daryle Lamonica ... and Jeff George ... and Rick Mirer.

 

[Sabertooth]

Pretty sure Palmer isn't getting Shane Lechler's #9 jersey. But the #3 he wore at USC is available.

Confirmed. Memories of Daryle Lamonica ... and Jeff George ... and Rick Mirer.

Does Palmer start this weekend?

 

[Raider Nation]

Does Palmer start this weekend?

Yes sir.

 

[massraider]

Raiders 2012 draft:

1st round: Carson Palmer--plus a 2nd next year (unless anyone is predicting AFC Championship game?)

2nd round: RB Taiwan Jones, RT Joseph Barksdale

3rd round: QB Terrelle Pryor

4th round: Jason Campbell

7th round: Aaron Curry

Still have:

5th round

6th round

And three comp picks for Nnamdi, Miller, and Gallery.

Going to have 5 picks from 3rd round on (I expect a 3 and two 4ths), and aside from Campbell (I have no problem with that trade in hindsight), all of these picks should be on the team for the forseeable future.

There is a whole lot of uncertainty there, but the Raiders look to get as much production/playing time from 2012 draft as anyone else.

They aren't taking advantage of the new CBA. Rookies got ####ed over. You basically have them for 4 years plus an option below market value. Draft picks are worth a lot more than they used to be, especially when budgeting future cap space.

You mean like turning a 2nd round pick into a 3rd and a 4th? The Raiders got two cheaper players for one more expensive player, and got their guys this year. Why is it brilliant if the Pats do it, and everyone else is a clown? Either way, it's a different argument.It's all about getting a return on those picks, in this instance. The constant refrain is ha, the Raiders have no picks in the first 4 rounds. Well, in a vacuum that sounds bad, but geez, they got some players playing NOW for those picks. At least enter the names into the equation, for pete's sake. Look at it another way, the Raiders have a 2nd round pick next year, but he is the nickel CB and backup RT for the team right freaking now. Were those players not worth the picks? Hey, maybe not, but I don't really think anyone can make that call yet. Actually, I know no one can't.

If Palmer is broken, and Landry or Barkley or some young QB that turns out great is available (and ranked appropriately) when the Pats use their picks next year, that's a massive waste. That's my big fear.

 

[Dr. Gobbler]

Does Palmer start this weekend?

Yes sir.

I gotta tell you, I have a love/hate relationship with The Raiders. Born and raised in LA. Grew up on Jim Plunkett, Marcus Allen... I haven't been this excited at the possibilities and prospects of a Raider team in a long long time. If Carson is slinging ropes like I hear he is, then things are about to get interesting!

 

[BustedKnuckles]

Sometimes just a change of scenery can do wonders for a players career , especially when they HATED where they were playing. Palmer looks happy to be going to Oakland and im sure he will play like it....its gonna be interesting to see how this plays out

 

[Apple Jack]

Where is the cut-off for QBs he's worth dropping for, site unseen?