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CB Sauce Gardner, IND (2 Viewers)
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Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
NFL Rookie Watch
@NFLRookieWatxh
Sauce Gardner was the only rookie to earn NFL All-Pro first team honors this season. Sauce is the first rookie CB in 41 YEARS to receive this honor
@NFLRookieWatxh
Sauce Gardner was the only rookie to earn NFL All-Pro first team honors this season. Sauce is the first rookie CB in 41 YEARS to receive this honor
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Should be DRotY
Most sacks by rookies this season:
Aidan Hutchinson 9.5
James Houston 8.0
George Karlaftis 6.0
Kayvon Thibodeaux 4.0
Jaquan Brisker 4.0
Tariq Woolen’s final rookie season stats:
• 644 coverage snaps
• 68 targets
• 38 receptions allowed (549 yards)
• 16 passes defensed
• 6 INT
Sauce Gardner’s final rookie season stats:
• 642 coverage snaps
• 73 targets
• 33 receptions allowed (344 yards)
• 20 passes defensed
• 2 INT
rockaction
Footballguy
All Pro. Best coverage player of the year according to PFF.
Across the board DROY, according to PFF. Hutchinson and Woolen were runners-up.
Chris Jones was DPOY according to PFF. Myles Garrett and Micah Parsons were runners-up.
Sauce is in the conversation for DPOY, though.
Across the board DROY, according to PFF. Hutchinson and Woolen were runners-up.
Chris Jones was DPOY according to PFF. Myles Garrett and Micah Parsons were runners-up.
Sauce is in the conversation for DPOY, though.
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GroveDiesel
Footballguy
He’s so so good. Best pick in the draft IMO.
He’s the Jets new Revis. Totally changes what you can do on defense with a corner his caliber. The Jets knocked their draft out of the park in 2022.
He’s the Jets new Revis. Totally changes what you can do on defense with a corner his caliber. The Jets knocked their draft out of the park in 2022.
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rockaction
Footballguy
It was nice for the Jets and their fans to finally really nail one. Thank God Houston took Stingley, Jr. right in front of him. I almost burst out in cheers knowing that the Jets would pick Sauce next.
General Malaise
Footballguy
Jets got one right!
Sauce lived up to it and more. Going to be a huge help transforming this team into a winner. Go get D. Carr yesterday.
Sauce lived up to it and more. Going to be a huge help transforming this team into a winner. Go get D. Carr yesterday.
Craig_MiamiFL
Footballguy
Bosa and Sauce are locks for DPOY and DROY
rockaction
Footballguy
Both players had great years. Barring injury to both, they'll be fixtures for years to come.
-OZ-
Footballguy
The jets draft this year looks REALLY REALLY good. Like new standard good.
Garrett Wilson, Sauce, breece hall all looked great. Jermaine Johnson had moments where he showed his talent. Ruckert and Mitchell even got in a bit.
| Sauce Gardner | 4 | CB | 2022 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 14 | 17 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 2 | Cincinnati | |||||||
| 2022 | 1 | Garrett Wilson | 10 | WR | 2022 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 8 | 17 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 4 | 4 | 0 | 83 | 1103 | 4 | Ohio St. | ||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 2022 | 1 | Jermaine Johnson II | 26 | LB | 2022 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 14 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 2.5 | Florida St. | |||||
| 2022 | 2 | Breece Hall | 36 | RB | 2022 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 4 | 7 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 80 | 463 | 4 | 19 | 218 | 1 | Iowa St. | ||
| 2022 | 3 | Jeremy Ruckert | 101 | TE | 2022 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 9 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 8 | 0 | Ohio St. | ||||
| 2022 | 4 | Max Mitchell | 111 | T | 2022 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 2 | 6 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | Louisiana | ||||||
| 2022 | 4 | Micheal Clemons |
rockaction
Footballguy
Thank you! Jets fans love to hear it. Clemons is also extraordinarily under-rated. He's going to be good in the next year or so.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Similar to the Micah Parsons/Penei Sewell debate. Missed out on an All Pro. Took the guy who will anchor the line for a decade. Not really a wrong answer, they seem completely comfortable getting their dudes.
sheerterror
Footballguy
Douglas needed this badly, seeing as Zach Wilson and Mekhi Becton before him were foul bunt pop outs.
I don't see Bosa as a lock. Frankly, I wouldn't even have picked him as a 1st team all-pro. Myles Garrett (just like he was better than TJ Watt last year) keeps getting screwed because he's not on a playoff team, but beyond him, I would argue Parsons effects the game more than Bosa.
No real problem if Bosa wins, but "lock" just seems strong to me. He has had an excellent season.
Then again, Mahomes got 49 out of 50 1st team votes for QB, and I would have voted Josh Allen (who also somehow finished behind Hurts) over him, as I think Buffalo is actually a mediocre team, that he has been carrying for months.
rockaction
Footballguy
PFF had Garrett and Parsons ahead of him. They also had Chris Jones as defensive player of the year.
I often wonder what the perception of Garrett would be if he weren't on the Browns. I feel like he's been the best non-Aaron Donald defensive player for several years now.
crushedspirit
Footballguy
Sauce was there from day 1, and virtually eliminated whomever he covered all season long. Teams avoided that side of the field for a legit reason.
43% reception %
14 pass break ups and 2 picks
52.5 passer rating allowed
Not only top rookie CB, but top CB on the season hands down. Hutch is in consideration, but DROY and ROY is Gardner's in my opinion. Not sure DPOY is in play for him.
43% reception %
14 pass break ups and 2 picks
52.5 passer rating allowed
Not only top rookie CB, but top CB on the season hands down. Hutch is in consideration, but DROY and ROY is Gardner's in my opinion. Not sure DPOY is in play for him.
rockaction
Footballguy
I think it's tough to shake the image of him nearly braining Mason Rudolph for no good reason. Easier to have Parsons or Bosa front and center. Not to mention the Wattage from T.J.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Clemons showed up to make some plays as well.
Major
Footballguy
Still fuming Caserio and the hapless Texans selected Stingley over Sauce. Talk about a whiff that's going to haunt them for years to come.
rockaction
Footballguy
Like I said upthread, I was cheering when that happened. When they read the name, I knew we were going for Sauce.
Chemical X
Footballguy
makes up pretty much going o-fer 2020 and blowing the #2 overall in 2021.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
I forgot about that, woof. How was Stingley this year?
Major
Footballguy
Injury prone as advertised. Didn't seem like a difference maker when out there but that could've been Lovie's defensive scheme. Definitely not a #3 pick.
@NFLPlus
Sauce Gardner has not allowed more than two receptions to a single receiver in a game this season
He has forced a tight window on 52.0% of his targets, the highest rate of any player targeted at least 20 times in coverage, per @NextGenStats
#ForTheShoe
warpig33
Footballguy
Colts secondary went from being a huge question mark to arguably one of the best in the league! Charvarius "Mooney" Ward, Kenny Moore, Jaylon Jones, and now Sauce. Anarumo is gonna run man coverage comfortably and blitz the hell out of teams now. Should be exciting. Hopefully Danny Dimes doesn't revert to NYG Danny Dimes and can continue his comeback player of the year season.
smbkrypt24
Footballguy
The colts were exposed this weekend. D. Jones has a fumbling problem and when sped up he will turn the ball over. The trick will be to take advantage early of the mistakes and score early and you have a recipe to beat the colts.
I say all of this as a Colts fan hoping we can get early leads and lean on JT rather than Daniel Jones.
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JohnnyU
Footballguy
For the first time this year the Colts OL didn't do their job. JT couldn't find much room to run and they allowed 5 sacks and just as many pressures.
smbkrypt24
Footballguy
D. Jones' fumbling issues are not new. INT he has not been too bad with in the past. To me it look like a team trying too hard to overcome the mistakes. They looked in panic mode. I believe if they would have run the ball more they would have been fine.
They did the same thing in the game JT ran for 150+ yards and 3 scores. They got really cute in the 2nd quarter and kept passing against the Titans and had 2 or 3 consecutive 3 and out drives. It was very obvious if they hand it off there was nothing the Titans could do to stop the Colts.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
When the OL isn't doing its job, the whole house of cards can fall. JT can't find room, Daniel Jones is sacked or pressured all day, which leads to turnovers. I think the Colts will be fine and correct it, but I don't agree with your reasoning. I'll jump out of this conversation now. It's kind of useless.
smbkrypt24
Footballguy
Yeah part of that problem Is predictability. The colts got behind abandoned the run and the Steeers started teeing off on them. Daniel jones was pressured often, fumbled, and threw too many interceptions.
Hop out all you want.
Deepster
Footballguy
Jets fan of 50+ years here. I have 3 jerseys - Mo Lewis, Gastineau and Sauce. I'll try to give as balanced a take as I can....
1) An elite shut down cover. Definitely changes how the OC's approach a game.
2) The Jets, until recently and still not completely, never put him on ONE WR all game and OC's could just move their guy to other parts of the field where they weren't his assignment. I never understood this.
3) Great team guy. Does stuff off the field, great with kids and the fans. Wanted to be a Jet (which isn't common).
4) 3 career interceptions in 55 games. Sure, some of that is they didn't throw his way....but still. For an "elite" corner, that's mysteriously low.
5) Not a good tackler at all. And again, sure, that's not his game....but it was glaring at times.
6) The contract and cap space did not make sense when this season fell on it's face. I'm guessing they though Glenn would have a more immediate impact and that's why they threw the bag at him?
7) He was not having a great season, injured and spotty performance. And I think he's had 3 concussions in his career.
8) 2 first rounders and AD Mitchell is a huge haul. Especially when a guy like DeAndre Hopkins in his prime got like a 4th rounder or something?
Summary: I hope the new scenery kick starts some of the sluggish play this season and I'm always going to be a fan. I can't complain about the return they got for him, but it's tiring knowing there's yet another rebuild ahead and the next 3 years are already in the trash.
1) An elite shut down cover. Definitely changes how the OC's approach a game.
2) The Jets, until recently and still not completely, never put him on ONE WR all game and OC's could just move their guy to other parts of the field where they weren't his assignment. I never understood this.
3) Great team guy. Does stuff off the field, great with kids and the fans. Wanted to be a Jet (which isn't common).
4) 3 career interceptions in 55 games. Sure, some of that is they didn't throw his way....but still. For an "elite" corner, that's mysteriously low.
5) Not a good tackler at all. And again, sure, that's not his game....but it was glaring at times.
6) The contract and cap space did not make sense when this season fell on it's face. I'm guessing they though Glenn would have a more immediate impact and that's why they threw the bag at him?
7) He was not having a great season, injured and spotty performance. And I think he's had 3 concussions in his career.
8) 2 first rounders and AD Mitchell is a huge haul. Especially when a guy like DeAndre Hopkins in his prime got like a 4th rounder or something?
Summary: I hope the new scenery kick starts some of the sluggish play this season and I'm always going to be a fan. I can't complain about the return they got for him, but it's tiring knowing there's yet another rebuild ahead and the next 3 years are already in the trash.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
I think it's a good trade for both teams. I give the Jets an A- and the Colts a B- with the possibility of an A. People complained about the increased number of holding and PI penalties on Gardner the last two years, but I think you're going to see that more from losing teams than winning teams, for a variety of reasons I won't explore here. What Gardner brings to the Colts is flexibility. If they want to play more man they can. They can blitz more often, or not, and just rush four now. They can let him play the other team's number 1 and play other schemes in the secondary against the rest. When Ward is back, with the addition of Saurce Gardner, along with Kenny Moore and Bynum, the Colts secondary is elite. On paper this trade looks like a win/win for both teams. Only time will tell if it truly is.
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Sauce Gardner clears concussion protocol, expected to play vs. Falcons
I would expect that Sauce will cover London in Berlin.
I would expect that Sauce will cover London in Berlin.
General Malaise
Footballguy
The next time I'm feeling clever or clairvoyant I should come back in and read this post to remind myself how wrong I can be. Good god.
