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CB/WR Travis Hunter, JAX (1 Viewer)

I was bored so I thought I'd do a little exercise. There's three main arguments against Travis Hunter's fantasy value:

- Concern about snaps due to playing defense
- Concern about being able to produce WR1 numbers with Brian Thomas Jr. in front of him
- Tied in with the above, but concern about Trevor Lawrence's ability to produce a fantasy WR1, let alone two of them

I can't really argue against the first point, that's always going to be the biggest risk with Hunter. But to the other two points, there's plenty of evidence of NFL teams having two (in one case, even three) fantasy WR1's on the same team in the same season. I struggled to come up with a good cutoff point but since I'm just doing this for fun, I decided to have my first year of playing fantasy football (1998) as my arbitrary cutoff point.

In this exercise, I went to Pro Football Reference and used their fantasy rankings for each season and used their position rank for WR and QB. I used the cutoff at overall WR12, so that's not counting any of the great receivers from WR13+. I'm looking for teams who had at least two top-12 fantasy WR's for that season. I'll also include the top fantasy QB for that team and their final ranking for context. I noticed there were a mix of elite QB's and a mix of guys that either performed well above their norm or simply weren't anything special from a fantasy perspective. It shows that TLaw doesn't have to be a top 5 fantasy QB in order for both BTJ and Hunter to put up fantasy WR1 numbers. Not being the team's WR1 doesn't mean the player can't still be a WR1 for your fantasy team. Here were the results I came up with after about an hour of digging:

1998 Minnesota Vikings
Randy Moss (WR1) -- Cris Carter (WR8) -- Randall Cunningham (QB2)

1998 San Francisco 49ers
Terrell Owens (WR3) -- Jerry Rice (WR10) -- Steve Young (QB1)

1998 Denver Broncos
Rod Smith (WR9) -- Ed McCaffrey (WR11) -- John Elway (QB13)

1999 Minnesota Vikings
Randy Moss (WR1) -- Cris Carter (WR3) -- Jeff George (QB14)

1999 Carolina Panthers
Patrick Jeffers (WR7) -- Muhsin Muhammad (WR10) -- Steve Beuerlein (QB2)

2000 Minnesota Vikings
Randy Moss (WR1) -- Cris Carter (WR11) -- Daunte Culpepper (QB2)

2000 Denver Broncos
Rod Smith (WR4) -- Ed McCaffrey (WR8) -- Brian Griese (QB14)

2000 St. Louis Rams
Isaac Bruce (WR6) -- Torry Holt (WR7) -- Kurt Warner (QB13)

2001 Oakland Raiders
Tim Brown (WR8) -- Jerry Rice (WR12) -- Rich Gannon (QB3)

2002 Buffalo Bills
Eric Moulds (WR4) -- Peerless Price (WR7) -- Drew Bledsoe (QB9)

2002 Pittsburgh Steelers
Hines Ward (WR2) -- Plaxic Burress (WR9) -- Tommy Maddox (QB22)

2004 Indianapolis Colts
Marvin Harrison (WR5) -- Reggie Wayne (WR8) -- Brandon Stokley (WR12) -- Peyton Manning (QB2)

2004 Green Bay Packers
Javon Walker (WR3) -- Donald Driver (WR10) -- Brett Favre (QB6)

2005 Arizona Cardinals
Larry Fitzgerald (WR2) -- Anquan Boldin (WR7) -- Kurt Warner (QB22)

2006 Indianapolis Colts
Marvin Harrison (WR1) -- Reggie Wayne (WR3) -- Peyton Manning (QB1)

2006 Cincinnati Bengals
Chad Johnson (WR4) -- T.J. Houshmandzadeh (WR11) -- Carson Palmer (QB5)

2007 New England Patriots
Randy Moss (WR1) -- Wes Welker (WR11) -- Tom Brady (QB1)

2007 Cincinnati Bengals
Chad Johnson (WR6) -- T.J. Houshmandzadeh (WR7) -- Carson Palmer (QB9)

2008 Arizona Cardinals
Larry Fitzgerald (WR1) -- Anquan Boldin (WR7) -- Kurt Warner (QB5)

2009 New England Patriots
Randy Moss (WR2) -- Wes Welker (WR12) -- Tom Brady (QB7)

2011 New York Giants
Victor Cruz (WR4) -- Hakeem Nicks (WR11) -- Eli Manning (QB6)

2012 Denver Broncos
Demaryius Thomas (WR5) -- Eric Decker (WR7) -- Peyton Manning (QB6)

2012 Atlanta Falcons
Julio Jones (WR9) -- Roddy White (WR10) -- Matt Ryan (QB7)

2013 Denver Broncos
Demaryius Thomas (WR2) -- Eric Decker (WR9) -- Peyton Manning (QB1)

2013 Chicago Bears
Brandon Marshall (WR5) -- Alshon Jeffery (WR8) -- Jay Cutler (QB23)

2014 Green Bay Packers
Jordy Nelson (WR2) -- Randall Cobb (WR6) -- Aaron Rodgers (QB1)

2014 Denver Broncos
Demaryius Thomas (WR3) -- Emmanuel Sanders (WR7) -- Peyton Manning (QB4)

2015 New York Jets
Brandon Marshall (WR3) -- Eric Decker (WR10) -- Ryan Fitzpatrick (QB11)

2016 Green Bay Packers
Jordy Nelson (WR2) -- Davante Adams (WR7) -- Aaron Rodgers (QB1)

2016 New Orleans Saints
Brandin Cooks (WR8) -- Michael Thomas (WR9) -- Drew Brees (QB3)

2018 Pittsburgh Steelers
Antonio Brown (WR2) -- JuJu Smith-Schuster (WR9) -- Ben Roethlisberger (QB3)

2018 Minnesota Vikings
Adam Thielen (WR7) -- Stefon Diggs (WR12) -- Kirk Cousins (QB13)

2019 Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Chris Godwin (WR2) -- Mike Evans (WR8) -- Jameis WInston (QB5)

2020 Minnesota Vikings
Justin Jefferson (WR7) -- Adam Thielen (WR8) -- Kirk Cousins (QB11)

2020 Seattle Seahawks
D.K. Metcalf (WR5) -- Tyler Lockett (WR11) -- Russell Wilson (QB6)

2021 Seattle Seahawks
D.K. Metcalf (WR10) -- Tyler Lockett (WR11) -- Russell Wilson (QB15)

2022 Miami Dolphins
Tyreek Hill (WR3) -- Jaylen Waddle (WR7) -- Tua Tagovailoa (QB15)

2022 Philadelphia Eagles
A.J. Brown (WR4) -- DeVonta Smith (WR10) -- Jalen Hurts (QB3)

2023 San Francisco 49ers
Deebo Samuel (WR7) -- Brandon Aiyuk (WR10) -- Brock Purdy (QB6)

Now look at the QB's on this list. Lots of legends and Pro Bowlers and what have you. But also a good number of non-elite QB's. TLaw's best fantasy finishes have been QB7 (2022) and QB12 (2023). That's right in the range, or even better, than a good handful of QB's here. If TLaw can just be in that range he can absolutely support both BTJ and Hunter as fantasy assets, especially considering the lack of target competition such as Brenton Strange, Dyami Brown, and Parker Washington who are merely ancillary players, and maybe Travis Etienne if he can somehow bounce back to 2023 form.

I'm not saying it's likely. Out of all these listed, there's only three rookies (Randy Moss in 1998, Michael Thomas in 2016, and Justin Jefferson in 2020). But if Hunter's legendary stamina can keep him on the field for enough snaps, I could see him sneaking into top 12 for this season. At minimum I wouldn't be surprised to see him be a major factor in the red zone and get a bunch of receiving TD's. Consider me very, very intrigued.
Playing devil’s advocate to my own argument: the data shown above also is proof of how rare it is that teammates can both be top-12 fantasy WRs year in and year out. Moss and Carter from 98-00 were the only ones to do it for three seasons in this sample size. BTJ and Hunter are going to be together for at least the next five seasons, factoring in fifth-year options and franchise tags. It’s much more likely that BTJ remains a yearly top 12 guy and Hunter is the one who is more top 24.
 
BTJ and Hunter are going to be together for at least the next five seasons, factoring in fifth-year options and franchise tags. It’s much more likely that BTJ remains a yearly top 12 guy and Hunter is the one who is more top 24.
SayWhat? What’s the basis behind why that is “much more likely?”
Might be more reasons Lansdowne can identify, but I'd say the obvious one is we've already seen him do it in the NFL and with this team and QB. Hunter is still a question mark, meanwhile BTJ put up one of the better rookie seasons of the past decade. Could Hunter do the same? Sure. But working with what we currently know, it's more than fair to say BTJ is more likely to be the lead guy in the offense until new information presents itself.
 
BTJ and Hunter are going to be together for at least the next five seasons, factoring in fifth-year options and franchise tags. It’s much more likely that BTJ remains a yearly top 12 guy and Hunter is the one who is more top 24.
SayWhat? What’s the basis behind why that is “much more likely?”
Someones opinion…..and I find that to be kinda ridiculous considering how insanely talented Hunter is.

We are talking the freak of the freaks athletically.

I see a huge NFL impact long term at WR for Hunter. This duo is gonna be scary.
 
BTJ and Hunter are going to be together for at least the next five seasons, factoring in fifth-year options and franchise tags. It’s much more likely that BTJ remains a yearly top 12 guy and Hunter is the one who is more top 24.
SayWhat? What’s the basis behind why that is “much more likely?”
Someones opinion…..and I find that to be kinda ridiculous considering how insanely talented Hunter is.

We are talking the freak of the freaks athletically.

I see a huge NFL impact long term at WR for Hunter. This duo is gonna be scary.
I don’t doubt Hunter’s talent or abilities. He’s like no player we’ve ever seen before. But I think you’re dismissing how him playing defense caps his upside on offense. I believe he can be a two way player at the pro level and do very well on both sides. But I doubt he’ll be an elite WR for fantasy purposes until he fully commits to that side of the field. Perhaps he does, and that’s where he can potentially overtake BTJ. In the meanwhile though, BTJ has already had a historically great rookie season to his resume and is fully committed to WR. Hunter is still a work in progress as he is still raw as a route runner, there’s a lot of growth potential.

I’m excited for what he can do, but in the meantime we’re probably looking at someone with 850 yards, 7-8 TD seasons at WR while also being a plus starter at CB. Which is amazing for real football but puts him in the low end WR2 range for fantasy. BTJ is simply a safer and more proven bet to be the kingmaker out of the two at WR, at least until we get more data as far as Hunter’s usage goes. I’m still leaning toward taking Hunter at 1.02 in my rookie draft in August even though I have BTJ because I can still see the path to both being fantasy studs and I prefer to chase ceiling over floor. But I also know that comes with a huge risk and potential on missing out on more productive if less sexy options. I don’t see what’s so ridiculous about that.
 
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BTJ and Hunter are going to be together for at least the next five seasons, factoring in fifth-year options and franchise tags. It’s much more likely that BTJ remains a yearly top 12 guy and Hunter is the one who is more top 24.
SayWhat? What’s the basis behind why that is “much more likely?”
Someones opinion…..and I find that to be kinda ridiculous considering how insanely talented Hunter is.

We are talking the freak of the freaks athletically.

I see a huge NFL impact long term at WR for Hunter. This duo is gonna be scary.
I don’t doubt Hunter’s talent or abilities. He’s like no player we’ve ever seen before. But I think you’re dismissing how him playing defense caps his upside on offense. I believe he can be a two way player at the pro level and do very well on both sides. But I doubt he’ll be an elite WR for fantasy purposes until he fully commits to that side of the field. Perhaps he does, and that’s where he can potentially overtake BTJ. In the meanwhile though, BTJ has already had a historically great rookie season to his resume and is fully committed to WR. Hunter is still a work in progress as he is still raw as a route runner, there’s a lot of growth potential.

I’m excited for what he can do, but in the meantime we’re probably looking at someone with 850 yards, 7-8 TD seasons at WR while also being a plus starter at CB. Which is amazing for real football but puts him in the low end WR2 range for fantasy. BTJ is simply a safer and more proven bet to be the kingmaker out of the two at WR, at least until we get more data as far as Hunter’s usage goes. I’m still leaning toward taking Hunter at 1.02 in my rookie draft in August even though I have BTJ because I can still see the path to both being fantasy studs and I prefer to chase ceiling over floor. But I also know that comes with a huge risk and potential on missing out on more productive if less sexy options. I don’t see what’s so ridiculous about that.
You will see just how fast he will be a WR only.

Won’t take long at all.
 
What sites list him as CB/WR? What are the chances they have him listed as this which causes him to be drafted top 3 in dynasty, and then change it closer to the season when it's too late to go back on it?
 
BTJ and Hunter are going to be together for at least the next five seasons, factoring in fifth-year options and franchise tags. It’s much more likely that BTJ remains a yearly top 12 guy and Hunter is the one who is more top 24.
SayWhat? What’s the basis behind why that is “much more likely?”
We are talking the freak of the freaks athletically.

Based on what exactly? Stamina in a small college conference? We have zero meaningful measurables other than height/weight where he's pretty ordinary, if not a little undersized. Doesn't mean he won't be successful but I certainly wouldn't be be making such a declaration.
 
Hunter stock up. I think you can consider him now around picks 3-5.
one of the best spots he could of went too
Not for me.

I'm not in line to draft him anywhere in upcoming fantasy drafts but if I were, I'd have wanted him to land somewhere where he had a clear path to being the teams WR1. Him being on a team with BTJ significantly hinders that outcome.

Not suggesting he won't be a good productive player but there were many realistic options better than this one. Browns and Pats for sure.
Yes it is a concern but there’s also a decent chance he’s better than Thomas. it’s a high bar to clear but Hunter did just go 1.02.
Yeah I said earlier that BTJ is more likely to be the top 12 WR of the two but I can't rule out the possibility that Hunter surpasses him.

In 2003 Aquan Boldin had arguably an even better rookie season (101-1377-8) than BTJ did in 2024 (87-1282-10). Was the clear WR1 for the Cardinals and I'm sure his dynasty managers felt the same. And then the Cards took Larry Fitzgerald with the 3rd overall pick in the next year's draft. Both WR's were studs but Fitzgerald ended up overtaking him as the alpha. A season for BTJ and Hunter like the 2005 Cards (Fitz 103-1409-10, Boldin 102-1402-7) is the dream scenario where both WR's are mega studs. Now if only Trevor Lawrence could play like Kurt Warner, lol.
 
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What sites list him as CB/WR? What are the chances they have him listed as this which causes him to be drafted top 3 in dynasty, and then change it closer to the season when it's too late to go back on it?
Sleeper currently has him as WR/DB.

I *think* as long as he's playing a snap or 2 a game, he'll keep the designation. You've got to figure, there are DB's that don't even get on the field that are listed as a DB on sleeper. If Hunter plays a few snaps a game, he deserves the designation as much as someone who doesn't play at all.
 
How are idp leagues handling him? He's arguably in the conversation at 1st overall pick if he gets CB stats at Wr, and is broken if he can get wr stats at CB.
 
How are idp leagues handling him? He's arguably in the conversation at 1st overall pick if he gets CB stats at Wr, and is broken if he can get wr stats at CB.
in two of my IDP leagues all players get fantasy points for stats on both sides of the ball. One of them that definitely puts him at least at #2. The other one isn't dynasty and 1st round picks can't be kept the next year. so not sure where exactly he will go. he isn't really a 1st round pick in that format, but people at the end of the 1st round might take him to prevent anyone at the top of the 2nd to get to keep him for several years.

in the last one, the offensive stats are only for offensive players and defensive stats only for defensive players.

all of those leagues he is currently listed as only WR. they will all go with the position designation the site uses, which is what the team lists with the NFL.
 

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