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CB/WR Travis Hunter, JAX (1 Viewer)
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Lansdowne
Footballguy
Playing devil’s advocate to my own argument: the data shown above also is proof of how rare it is that teammates can both be top-12 fantasy WRs year in and year out. Moss and Carter from 98-00 were the only ones to do it for three seasons in this sample size. BTJ and Hunter are going to be together for at least the next five seasons, factoring in fifth-year options and franchise tags. It’s much more likely that BTJ remains a yearly top 12 guy and Hunter is the one who is more top 24.
SayWhat? What’s the basis behind why that is “much more likely?”
pinkstapler
Footballguy
Might be more reasons Lansdowne can identify, but I'd say the obvious one is we've already seen him do it in the NFL and with this team and QB. Hunter is still a question mark, meanwhile BTJ put up one of the better rookie seasons of the past decade. Could Hunter do the same? Sure. But working with what we currently know, it's more than fair to say BTJ is more likely to be the lead guy in the offense until new information presents itself.
Todem
Footballguy
Someones opinion…..and I find that to be kinda ridiculous considering how insanely talented Hunter is.
We are talking the freak of the freaks athletically.
I see a huge NFL impact long term at WR for Hunter. This duo is gonna be scary.
Lansdowne
Footballguy
I don’t doubt Hunter’s talent or abilities. He’s like no player we’ve ever seen before. But I think you’re dismissing how him playing defense caps his upside on offense. I believe he can be a two way player at the pro level and do very well on both sides. But I doubt he’ll be an elite WR for fantasy purposes until he fully commits to that side of the field. Perhaps he does, and that’s where he can potentially overtake BTJ. In the meanwhile though, BTJ has already had a historically great rookie season to his resume and is fully committed to WR. Hunter is still a work in progress as he is still raw as a route runner, there’s a lot of growth potential.
I’m excited for what he can do, but in the meantime we’re probably looking at someone with 850 yards, 7-8 TD seasons at WR while also being a plus starter at CB. Which is amazing for real football but puts him in the low end WR2 range for fantasy. BTJ is simply a safer and more proven bet to be the kingmaker out of the two at WR, at least until we get more data as far as Hunter’s usage goes. I’m still leaning toward taking Hunter at 1.02 in my rookie draft in August even though I have BTJ because I can still see the path to both being fantasy studs and I prefer to chase ceiling over floor. But I also know that comes with a huge risk and potential on missing out on more productive if less sexy options. I don’t see what’s so ridiculous about that.
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eighsse2
Footballguy
Uh-oh! ... Just kidding. But maybe?
Todem
Footballguy
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Based on what exactly? Stamina in a small college conference? We have zero meaningful measurables other than height/weight where he's pretty ordinary, if not a little undersized. Doesn't mean he won't be successful but I certainly wouldn't be be making such a declaration.
Lansdowne
Footballguy
Yeah I said earlier that BTJ is more likely to be the top 12 WR of the two but I can't rule out the possibility that Hunter surpasses him.
In 2003 Aquan Boldin had arguably an even better rookie season (101-1377-8) than BTJ did in 2024 (87-1282-10). Was the clear WR1 for the Cardinals and I'm sure his dynasty managers felt the same. And then the Cards took Larry Fitzgerald with the 3rd overall pick in the next year's draft. Both WR's were studs but Fitzgerald ended up overtaking him as the alpha. A season for BTJ and Hunter like the 2005 Cards (Fitz 103-1409-10, Boldin 102-1402-7) is the dream scenario where both WR's are mega studs. Now if only Trevor Lawrence could play like Kurt Warner, lol.
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jm192
Footballguy
Sleeper currently has him as WR/DB.
I *think* as long as he's playing a snap or 2 a game, he'll keep the designation. You've got to figure, there are DB's that don't even get on the field that are listed as a DB on sleeper. If Hunter plays a few snaps a game, he deserves the designation as much as someone who doesn't play at all.
FantasyGuru24
Footballguy
What are realistic expectations for him on both sides of the ball:
70 catches, 700 yards, 7 TDs .. 4 picks, 2 TDs??
70 catches, 700 yards, 7 TDs .. 4 picks, 2 TDs??
darksideofoz
Footballguy
in two of my IDP leagues all players get fantasy points for stats on both sides of the ball. One of them that definitely puts him at least at #2. The other one isn't dynasty and 1st round picks can't be kept the next year. so not sure where exactly he will go. he isn't really a 1st round pick in that format, but people at the end of the 1st round might take him to prevent anyone at the top of the 2nd to get to keep him for several years.
in the last one, the offensive stats are only for offensive players and defensive stats only for defensive players.
all of those leagues he is currently listed as only WR. they will all go with the position designation the site uses, which is what the team lists with the NFL.
H8fulHuck
Footballguy
Brilliant! Right after Hunter scores a 70 yard TD on offense, they can throw at him for a pick 6 because he's probably too tired. That's 20 fantasy points for us.
Lansdowne
Footballguy
In fairness the team did say they were going to onboard Hunter on offense and then ramp up the defensive practices as it got closer to the season.
May sound like cope but I don’t have any shares of Hunter as of now. I haven’t had my rookie draft yet but I’m paying close attention.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Hunter said he thinks playing both ways in the NFL will be easier than college because there are more and longer TV timeouts so he's going to get a lot more time to rest. I hadn't thought of that. I guess my biggest concerns are stamina when we get to weeks 13 and beyond being that the NFL is a longer season than college. Also more snaps means more chances to get hurt. Half the plays of the game, Brian Thomas simply can't get hurt because he isn't out there. Hunter can get hurt on plays where he isn't proving any fantasy value. That is worrisome.
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
then don't draft him, the person next to you will be thankful
Ilov80s
Footballguy
That is the plan but there is nothing I said that is untrue. More plays=more chances to get hurt. It's a fact.
jm192
Footballguy
I think it's going to be harder.
It's going to be harder getting open in the NFL. You're going to expend more energy.
It's harder to cover NFL receivers. You're going to expend more energy.
NFL DB's hit harder. NFL WR's are harder to tackle.
In addition to your point about Thomas can't get hurt on half the plays--Thomas is resting and recovering energy on half the plays. You're able to stay fresher late in the game.
Lansdowne
Footballguy
Counterpoint: if he balls out at WR, it’s going to be hard to take him off the field. Top of the line WR’s are valued more than top of the line CB’s, as evidenced by the money those positions make. The Jaguars have $200 million reasons to put their franchise QB in the best position to succeed. Liam Coen is one of the top offensive playcallers in the game and we’ve seen teams give up a haul to move up to draft a WR before (Julio Jones in 2011).
There’s no way to be absolutely sure how this is going to play out, and the conservative guess is to go with precedent and say full-time CB with limited WR reps, similar to guys like Deion Sanders and Marcus Jones. But none of those guys were the best college WR in the nation all while playing defense full-time and not participating in offense meetings.
Travis Hunter has elite change-of-direction ability while still having lots of room to grow as a route runner. I think he can be among the very best WR in the NFL, even with another young stud in Brian Thomas Jr. across from him, if he dedicated himself to it. Drafting Hunter in redraft is betting on flex upside. Drafting him long-term such as dynasty is betting that his athleticism, IQ, and work ethic will all translate to fantasy stardom at WR. How his body holds up is what I’d be more worried about.
For me it comes down to this: if Hunter flops it’s either going to be because of injury or because he’s not good enough at WR. He passes the eye test for me as far as having the stud WR starter kit to work with so I’m not too worried about his performance. I do worry about durability over time if he stays playing both ways but I prefer not to predict injuries.
Lansdowne
Footballguy
Also hoping you guys don’t mind me bumping this post back up. As someone who has BTJ it’s nice to remind myself not to be afraid of having two from the same team as more than one WR can feast if everything comes together just right.
Smack Tripper
Footballguy
The Khan's own a wrestling organization, I think they'll push the two way deal a gimmick
He's like a top 5 face of the NFL if he can do this into November for the oddity of it
He's like a top 5 face of the NFL if he can do this into November for the oddity of it
Lansdowne
Footballguy
Good luck to opposing defenses if Hunter plays extensively on offense and if Lawrence shows any improvement under Coen. You can’t double cover both BTJ and Hunter at the same time.
Pro Football Talk
It's a quote from a coach in early August. But wow.
It's a quote from a coach in early August. But wow.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
The extra wear/tear does not seem great for career longevity, but you do you Hunter.
Love this guy as a player and wish he was on both my NFL team and my dynasty team. But folks drafting him at 1.02 or 1.03 in a rookie draft are really rolling the dice that he's going to get the volume needed to warrant such a valuation. I assume this has been discussed in the past ten pages (just coming here now as our drafts are beginning). But my money is on him being the biggest reach in the whole first round just because of the volume question. No doubt the talent is there, though, and can't wait to watch him play.
