Percent Chance Travis Hunter Sees Meaningful Work As Both A WR And A CB? (1 Viewer)

[Crippler]

How much does Hunter have a say in which position he plays. Will this impact his draft status. Because dollar wise if he is a great CB and great WR, WR is the way to go. What will Higgins get this off season compared to what a top CB gets. Higgins would be a good WR and say expecting 26 mill per year. Top CB right now is Ramsey at 24 million. Only 5 CB break 20 million. WR high is 35 million and 23 WRs beat 20 million per. 13 WR beat top CB.

And this is a Deion kid. Does this get brought up in interviews as which position does he want to play more often. Because what I read is he is best CB but also might be best WR. Deion has taught them to dictate what they want. Don’t ever think, these kids won’t hold out.

I have a feeling money will talk and we can all see where the money stands. Going to be interesting.
My home league does not give points for both positions. If you want him to play both sides allowed but must state he is playing WR and DB and the commish will have to add points later. Pain in the *** but don’t like cheat codes. I have him going 1.13 in my mocks I do for league. Worth the gamble. He goes top 5 for fun if WR in SF league.

 

[Joe Bryant]

Baseball's version of this is Ohtani.

It's my understanding most platforms let you draft Ohtani the hitter or Ohtani the pitcher. To get both hitting and pitching stats from him takes up 2 roster spots.

Right, yahoo looks makes Ohtani two complete separate players (meaning two owners can have an Ohtani on their team).

Thanks. I would think people would hate that as it massively devalues Ohtani, right?

 

[Joe Bryant]

haven't read the whole thread....but in todays world on fantasy sites...why can't every player just accumulate whatever combined stats they get via offense or defense....just open it up to every player....it doesn't need to be player specific....I mean you aren't going to start Chris Jones at RB....but if you are in a league that drafts defensive players and Andy decides to play him at RB one week you get the bonus points.....makes drafting every player the same....you would think league sites these days could accommodate...that way if you draft Hunter, you can decide for yourself each week to start him at WR or one of your defensive positions....basically just make every player eligible to score points on offense and/or defense...let Mahomes get points for intercepting a pass...if he ever did...

One would think this would be easy but it's tied heavily to the league platforms. When we synch a customer's league to our scoring system and projections, the league platform is the guide here.

If your league has Taysom Hill as a TE, the Footballguys rankings will show Hill in the TE rankings. If your league has Hill as a QB, he'll show in the QBs. Most platforms do not have multiple position designations. That's the challenge we're facing.

 

[Zow]

Baseball's version of this is Ohtani.

It's my understanding most platforms let you draft Ohtani the hitter or Ohtani the pitcher. To get both hitting and pitching stats from him takes up 2 roster spots.

Right, yahoo looks makes Ohtani two complete separate players (meaning two owners can have an Ohtani on their team).

Thanks. I would think people would hate that as it massively devalues Ohtani, right?

Ohtani the hitter is still a first round value in most if not all formats.

I don’t recall ohtani the pitcher’s ADP (he didn’t pitch last year).

ETA: to address your question, I don’t recall the hate because Ohtani is frankly so good that if he were just his one player he likely breaks fantasy baseball. I think most understood the need for the split. I imagine those that drafted him in dynasty were annoyed but I don’t recall much uproar in redraft.

 

[DA RAIDERS]

haven't read the whole thread....but in todays world on fantasy sites...why can't every player just accumulate whatever combined stats they get via offense or defense....just open it up to every player....it doesn't need to be player specific....I mean you aren't going to start Chris Jones at RB....but if you are in a league that drafts defensive players and Andy decides to play him at RB one week you get the bonus points.....makes drafting every player the same....you would think league sites these days could accommodate...that way if you draft Hunter, you can decide for yourself each week to start him at WR or one of your defensive positions....basically just make every player eligible to score points on offense and/or defense...let Mahomes get points for intercepting a pass...if he ever did...

This is how I set up my IDP league. Return yards. Everything is accounted for except there are no stats for the OL.

 

[Stinkin Ref]

haven't read the whole thread....but in todays world on fantasy sites...why can't every player just accumulate whatever combined stats they get via offense or defense....just open it up to every player....it doesn't need to be player specific....I mean you aren't going to start Chris Jones at RB....but if you are in a league that drafts defensive players and Andy decides to play him at RB one week you get the bonus points.....makes drafting every player the same....you would think league sites these days could accommodate...that way if you draft Hunter, you can decide for yourself each week to start him at WR or one of your defensive positions....basically just make every player eligible to score points on offense and/or defense...let Mahomes get points for intercepting a pass...if he ever did...

One would think this would be easy but it's tied heavily to the league platforms. When we synch a customer's league to our scoring system and projections, the league platform is the guide here.

If your league has Taysom Hill as a TE, the Footballguys rankings will show Hill in the TE rankings. If your league has Hill as a QB, he'll show in the QBs. Most platforms do not have multiple position designations. That's the challenge we're facing.

yeah it is obviously a platform issue.....so there in lies the rub....finding the right platform...to me it seems like most current platforms should be trying to move in this direction anyway...I mean how long would it really take with today's technology for some computer dude to add this type of possibility.....I have used MFL for over 20 something years.....I think if I wanted to set it up MFL would be able to handle it like @DA RAIDERS mentioned whatever he uses does...and to your last comment, I guess I wasn't really thinking about giving players "multiple designations"....they would still only have one designation but the ability to score all the points of every position....you play Hill that week at TE.....but if he kicks a FG or intercepts a pass he gets those points to....so it comes down to how and what points you allow them to score...

 

[BassNBrew]

haven't read the whole thread....but in todays world on fantasy sites...why can't every player just accumulate whatever combined stats they get via offense or defense....just open it up to every player....it doesn't need to be player specific....I mean you aren't going to start Chris Jones at RB....but if you are in a league that drafts defensive players and Andy decides to play him at RB one week you get the bonus points.....makes drafting every player the same....you would think league sites these days could accommodate...that way if you draft Hunter, you can decide for yourself each week to start him at WR or one of your defensive positions....basically just make every player eligible to score points on offense and/or defense...let Mahomes get points for intercepting a pass...if he ever did...

I think the issue is that if you do that, then there's an argument that I could draft Mahomes (insert good scoring QB here) and start him at kicker.

 

[DA RAIDERS]

haven't read the whole thread....but in todays world on fantasy sites...why can't every player just accumulate whatever combined stats they get via offense or defense....just open it up to every player....it doesn't need to be player specific....I mean you aren't going to start Chris Jones at RB....but if you are in a league that drafts defensive players and Andy decides to play him at RB one week you get the bonus points.....makes drafting every player the same....you would think league sites these days could accommodate...that way if you draft Hunter, you can decide for yourself each week to start him at WR or one of your defensive positions....basically just make every player eligible to score points on offense and/or defense...let Mahomes get points for intercepting a pass...if he ever did...

One would think this would be easy but it's tied heavily to the league platforms. When we synch a customer's league to our scoring system and projections, the league platform is the guide here.

If your league has Taysom Hill as a TE, the Footballguys rankings will show Hill in the TE rankings. If your league has Hill as a QB, he'll show in the QBs. Most platforms do not have multiple position designations. That's the challenge we're facing.

yeah it is obviously a platform issue.....so there in lies the rub....finding the right platform...to me it seems like most current platforms should be trying to move in this direction anyway...I mean how long would it really take with today's technology for some computer dude to add this type of possibility.....I have used MFL for over 20 something years.....I think if I wanted to set it up MFL would be able to handle it like @DA RAIDERS mentioned whatever he uses does...and to your last comment, I guess I wasn't really thinking about giving players "multiple designations"....they would still only have one designation but the ability to score all the points of every position....you play Hill that week at TE.....but if he kicks a FG or intercepts a pass he gets those points to....so it comes down to how and what points you allow them to score...

I use MFL. @BassNBrew They don’t do multiple roster spot designations. But do allow to assign scoring of all types to all positions. So if there’s an int and Kelce makes the tackle he gets the tackle points. If mahomes were to kick a fg, he’d get the fg points. But you can’t start a player outside of their position designation.

I think what @Joe Bryant is wrestling with is how to rank these players that play multiple positions. The rankings are based on 1 position. When hill scored 50+ points he probably wasn’t the #1 TE before or after

 

[Stinkin Ref]

haven't read the whole thread....but in todays world on fantasy sites...why can't every player just accumulate whatever combined stats they get via offense or defense....just open it up to every player....it doesn't need to be player specific....I mean you aren't going to start Chris Jones at RB....but if you are in a league that drafts defensive players and Andy decides to play him at RB one week you get the bonus points.....makes drafting every player the same....you would think league sites these days could accommodate...that way if you draft Hunter, you can decide for yourself each week to start him at WR or one of your defensive positions....basically just make every player eligible to score points on offense and/or defense...let Mahomes get points for intercepting a pass...if he ever did...

One would think this would be easy but it's tied heavily to the league platforms. When we synch a customer's league to our scoring system and projections, the league platform is the guide here.

If your league has Taysom Hill as a TE, the Footballguys rankings will show Hill in the TE rankings. If your league has Hill as a QB, he'll show in the QBs. Most platforms do not have multiple position designations. That's the challenge we're facing.

yeah it is obviously a platform issue.....so there in lies the rub....finding the right platform...to me it seems like most current platforms should be trying to move in this direction anyway...I mean how long would it really take with today's technology for some computer dude to add this type of possibility.....I have used MFL for over 20 something years.....I think if I wanted to set it up MFL would be able to handle it like @DA RAIDERS mentioned whatever he uses does...and to your last comment, I guess I wasn't really thinking about giving players "multiple designations"....they would still only have one designation but the ability to score all the points of every position....you play Hill that week at TE.....but if he kicks a FG or intercepts a pass he gets those points to....so it comes down to how and what points you allow them to score...

I use MFL. @BassNBrew They don’t do multiple roster spot designations. But do allow to assign scoring of all types to all positions. So if there’s an int and Kelce makes the tackle he gets the tackle points. If mahomes were to kick a fg, he’d get the fg points. But you can’t start a player outside of their position designation.

I think what @Joe Bryant is wrestling with is how to rank these players that play multiple positions. The rankings are based on 1 position. When hill scored 50+ points he probably wasn’t the #1 TE before or after

Thanks for answering Bass's question....that is how I was going to respond...

as far as the issue of "ranking" them....I don't really see an issue.....In an IDP league the owner can designate at the time of the draft what position he is going to play Hunter that season and he doesn't get to flip flop him from DB to WR etc....he is locked in ....but can still get the points he scores from the other one....so FBG could have him in both sets (WR/DB) rankings and could either chose to assume he gets points for the other one or not when ranking him... example: if he gets WR points in your your league he is #1 ranked DB.....if he does not, he is #8 or whatever....

 

[BassNBrew]

haven't read the whole thread....but in todays world on fantasy sites...why can't every player just accumulate whatever combined stats they get via offense or defense....just open it up to every player....it doesn't need to be player specific....I mean you aren't going to start Chris Jones at RB....but if you are in a league that drafts defensive players and Andy decides to play him at RB one week you get the bonus points.....makes drafting every player the same....you would think league sites these days could accommodate...that way if you draft Hunter, you can decide for yourself each week to start him at WR or one of your defensive positions....basically just make every player eligible to score points on offense and/or defense...let Mahomes get points for intercepting a pass...if he ever did...

One would think this would be easy but it's tied heavily to the league platforms. When we synch a customer's league to our scoring system and projections, the league platform is the guide here.

If your league has Taysom Hill as a TE, the Footballguys rankings will show Hill in the TE rankings. If your league has Hill as a QB, he'll show in the QBs. Most platforms do not have multiple position designations. That's the challenge we're facing.

yeah it is obviously a platform issue.....so there in lies the rub....finding the right platform...to me it seems like most current platforms should be trying to move in this direction anyway...I mean how long would it really take with today's technology for some computer dude to add this type of possibility.....I have used MFL for over 20 something years.....I think if I wanted to set it up MFL would be able to handle it like @DA RAIDERS mentioned whatever he uses does...and to your last comment, I guess I wasn't really thinking about giving players "multiple designations"....they would still only have one designation but the ability to score all the points of every position....you play Hill that week at TE.....but if he kicks a FG or intercepts a pass he gets those points to....so it comes down to how and what points you allow them to score...

I use MFL. @BassNBrew They don’t do multiple roster spot designations. But do allow to assign scoring of all types to all positions. So if there’s an int and Kelce makes the tackle he gets the tackle points. If mahomes were to kick a fg, he’d get the fg points. But you can’t start a player outside of their position designation.

I think what @Joe Bryant is wrestling with is how to rank these players that play multiple positions. The rankings are based on 1 position. When hill scored 50+ points he probably wasn’t the #1 TE before or after

haven't read the whole thread....but in todays world on fantasy sites...why can't every player just accumulate whatever combined stats they get via offense or defense....just open it up to every player....it doesn't need to be player specific....I mean you aren't going to start Chris Jones at RB....but if you are in a league that drafts defensive players and Andy decides to play him at RB one week you get the bonus points.....makes drafting every player the same....you would think league sites these days could accommodate...that way if you draft Hunter, you can decide for yourself each week to start him at WR or one of your defensive positions....basically just make every player eligible to score points on offense and/or defense...let Mahomes get points for intercepting a pass...if he ever did...

One would think this would be easy but it's tied heavily to the league platforms. When we synch a customer's league to our scoring system and projections, the league platform is the guide here.

If your league has Taysom Hill as a TE, the Footballguys rankings will show Hill in the TE rankings. If your league has Hill as a QB, he'll show in the QBs. Most platforms do not have multiple position designations. That's the challenge we're facing.

yeah it is obviously a platform issue.....so there in lies the rub....finding the right platform...to me it seems like most current platforms should be trying to move in this direction anyway...I mean how long would it really take with today's technology for some computer dude to add this type of possibility.....I have used MFL for over 20 something years.....I think if I wanted to set it up MFL would be able to handle it like @DA RAIDERS mentioned whatever he uses does...and to your last comment, I guess I wasn't really thinking about giving players "multiple designations"....they would still only have one designation but the ability to score all the points of every position....you play Hill that week at TE.....but if he kicks a FG or intercepts a pass he gets those points to....so it comes down to how and what points you allow them to score...

I use MFL. @BassNBrew They don’t do multiple roster spot designations. But do allow to assign scoring of all types to all positions. So if there’s an int and Kelce makes the tackle he gets the tackle points. If mahomes were to kick a fg, he’d get the fg points. But you can’t start a player outside of their position designation.

I think what @Joe Bryant is wrestling with is how to rank these players that play multiple positions. The rankings are based on 1 position. When hill scored 50+ points he probably wasn’t the #1 TE before or after

Thanks for answering Bass's question....that is how I was going to respond...

as far as the issue of "ranking" them....I don't really see an issue.....In an IDP league the owner can designate at the time of the draft what position he is going to play Hunter that season and he doesn't get to flip flop him from DB to WR etc....he is locked in ....but can still get the points he scores from the other one....so FBG could have him in both sets (WR/DB) rankings and could either chose to assume he gets points for the other one or not when ranking him... example: if he gets WR points in your your league he is #1 ranked DB.....if he does not, he is #8 or whatever....

Either it's not possible or I should be able to designate Mahomes as my kicker.

 

[Stinkin Ref]

haven't read the whole thread....but in todays world on fantasy sites...why can't every player just accumulate whatever combined stats they get via offense or defense....just open it up to every player....it doesn't need to be player specific....I mean you aren't going to start Chris Jones at RB....but if you are in a league that drafts defensive players and Andy decides to play him at RB one week you get the bonus points.....makes drafting every player the same....you would think league sites these days could accommodate...that way if you draft Hunter, you can decide for yourself each week to start him at WR or one of your defensive positions....basically just make every player eligible to score points on offense and/or defense...let Mahomes get points for intercepting a pass...if he ever did...

One would think this would be easy but it's tied heavily to the league platforms. When we synch a customer's league to our scoring system and projections, the league platform is the guide here.

If your league has Taysom Hill as a TE, the Footballguys rankings will show Hill in the TE rankings. If your league has Hill as a QB, he'll show in the QBs. Most platforms do not have multiple position designations. That's the challenge we're facing.

yeah it is obviously a platform issue.....so there in lies the rub....finding the right platform...to me it seems like most current platforms should be trying to move in this direction anyway...I mean how long would it really take with today's technology for some computer dude to add this type of possibility.....I have used MFL for over 20 something years.....I think if I wanted to set it up MFL would be able to handle it like @DA RAIDERS mentioned whatever he uses does...and to your last comment, I guess I wasn't really thinking about giving players "multiple designations"....they would still only have one designation but the ability to score all the points of every position....you play Hill that week at TE.....but if he kicks a FG or intercepts a pass he gets those points to....so it comes down to how and what points you allow them to score...

I use MFL. @BassNBrew They don’t do multiple roster spot designations. But do allow to assign scoring of all types to all positions. So if there’s an int and Kelce makes the tackle he gets the tackle points. If mahomes were to kick a fg, he’d get the fg points. But you can’t start a player outside of their position designation.

I think what @Joe Bryant is wrestling with is how to rank these players that play multiple positions. The rankings are based on 1 position. When hill scored 50+ points he probably wasn’t the #1 TE before or after

haven't read the whole thread....but in todays world on fantasy sites...why can't every player just accumulate whatever combined stats they get via offense or defense....just open it up to every player....it doesn't need to be player specific....I mean you aren't going to start Chris Jones at RB....but if you are in a league that drafts defensive players and Andy decides to play him at RB one week you get the bonus points.....makes drafting every player the same....you would think league sites these days could accommodate...that way if you draft Hunter, you can decide for yourself each week to start him at WR or one of your defensive positions....basically just make every player eligible to score points on offense and/or defense...let Mahomes get points for intercepting a pass...if he ever did...

One would think this would be easy but it's tied heavily to the league platforms. When we synch a customer's league to our scoring system and projections, the league platform is the guide here.

If your league has Taysom Hill as a TE, the Footballguys rankings will show Hill in the TE rankings. If your league has Hill as a QB, he'll show in the QBs. Most platforms do not have multiple position designations. That's the challenge we're facing.

yeah it is obviously a platform issue.....so there in lies the rub....finding the right platform...to me it seems like most current platforms should be trying to move in this direction anyway...I mean how long would it really take with today's technology for some computer dude to add this type of possibility.....I have used MFL for over 20 something years.....I think if I wanted to set it up MFL would be able to handle it like @DA RAIDERS mentioned whatever he uses does...and to your last comment, I guess I wasn't really thinking about giving players "multiple designations"....they would still only have one designation but the ability to score all the points of every position....you play Hill that week at TE.....but if he kicks a FG or intercepts a pass he gets those points to....so it comes down to how and what points you allow them to score...

I use MFL. @BassNBrew They don’t do multiple roster spot designations. But do allow to assign scoring of all types to all positions. So if there’s an int and Kelce makes the tackle he gets the tackle points. If mahomes were to kick a fg, he’d get the fg points. But you can’t start a player outside of their position designation.

I think what @Joe Bryant is wrestling with is how to rank these players that play multiple positions. The rankings are based on 1 position. When hill scored 50+ points he probably wasn’t the #1 TE before or after

Thanks for answering Bass's question....that is how I was going to respond...

as far as the issue of "ranking" them....I don't really see an issue.....In an IDP league the owner can designate at the time of the draft what position he is going to play Hunter that season and he doesn't get to flip flop him from DB to WR etc....he is locked in ....but can still get the points he scores from the other one....so FBG could have him in both sets (WR/DB) rankings and could either chose to assume he gets points for the other one or not when ranking him... example: if he gets WR points in your your league he is #1 ranked DB.....if he does not, he is #8 or whatever....

Either it's not possible or I should be able to designate Mahomes as my kicker.

obviously the assumption is there is some qualifier (X amount of snaps, etc) .....and this only applies to IDP leagues....prior to next season Hunter would be an outlier since there is no previous history...these type of guys don't come around very often....but maybe there will be more so platforms should be looking to advance...in an IDP league it would make the drafting of Hunter and designating his position a little bit of a roll of the dice....but really it's not....if you going to get the WR points obviously you want him to play DB for you.....kind of like the benefit you got for playing Hill at TE instead of QB

 

[QuizGuy66]

I said 100% but I guess it depends on the definition of "meaningful"

I think it probably works out that there will be packages for him on one side of the ball and that he'll play full time on the other.

At some point down the line it probably becomes one or the other.

I think the team taking him will lean into the chess piece aspect a bit. So if he is full time defense he is Taysom Hill usage on offense. If he is full time offense he becomes a player on special defensive packages and looks to keep the offense guessing.

-QG

 

[DA RAIDERS]

haven't read the whole thread....but in todays world on fantasy sites...why can't every player just accumulate whatever combined stats they get via offense or defense....just open it up to every player....it doesn't need to be player specific....I mean you aren't going to start Chris Jones at RB....but if you are in a league that drafts defensive players and Andy decides to play him at RB one week you get the bonus points.....makes drafting every player the same....you would think league sites these days could accommodate...that way if you draft Hunter, you can decide for yourself each week to start him at WR or one of your defensive positions....basically just make every player eligible to score points on offense and/or defense...let Mahomes get points for intercepting a pass...if he ever did...

One would think this would be easy but it's tied heavily to the league platforms. When we synch a customer's league to our scoring system and projections, the league platform is the guide here.

If your league has Taysom Hill as a TE, the Footballguys rankings will show Hill in the TE rankings. If your league has Hill as a QB, he'll show in the QBs. Most platforms do not have multiple position designations. That's the challenge we're facing.

yeah it is obviously a platform issue.....so there in lies the rub....finding the right platform...to me it seems like most current platforms should be trying to move in this direction anyway...I mean how long would it really take with today's technology for some computer dude to add this type of possibility.....I have used MFL for over 20 something years.....I think if I wanted to set it up MFL would be able to handle it like @DA RAIDERS mentioned whatever he uses does...and to your last comment, I guess I wasn't really thinking about giving players "multiple designations"....they would still only have one designation but the ability to score all the points of every position....you play Hill that week at TE.....but if he kicks a FG or intercepts a pass he gets those points to....so it comes down to how and what points you allow them to score...

I use MFL. @BassNBrew They don’t do multiple roster spot designations. But do allow to assign scoring of all types to all positions. So if there’s an int and Kelce makes the tackle he gets the tackle points. If mahomes were to kick a fg, he’d get the fg points. But you can’t start a player outside of their position designation.

I think what @Joe Bryant is wrestling with is how to rank these players that play multiple positions. The rankings are based on 1 position. When hill scored 50+ points he probably wasn’t the #1 TE before or after

haven't read the whole thread....but in todays world on fantasy sites...why can't every player just accumulate whatever combined stats they get via offense or defense....just open it up to every player....it doesn't need to be player specific....I mean you aren't going to start Chris Jones at RB....but if you are in a league that drafts defensive players and Andy decides to play him at RB one week you get the bonus points.....makes drafting every player the same....you would think league sites these days could accommodate...that way if you draft Hunter, you can decide for yourself each week to start him at WR or one of your defensive positions....basically just make every player eligible to score points on offense and/or defense...let Mahomes get points for intercepting a pass...if he ever did...

One would think this would be easy but it's tied heavily to the league platforms. When we synch a customer's league to our scoring system and projections, the league platform is the guide here.

If your league has Taysom Hill as a TE, the Footballguys rankings will show Hill in the TE rankings. If your league has Hill as a QB, he'll show in the QBs. Most platforms do not have multiple position designations. That's the challenge we're facing.

yeah it is obviously a platform issue.....so there in lies the rub....finding the right platform...to me it seems like most current platforms should be trying to move in this direction anyway...I mean how long would it really take with today's technology for some computer dude to add this type of possibility.....I have used MFL for over 20 something years.....I think if I wanted to set it up MFL would be able to handle it like @DA RAIDERS mentioned whatever he uses does...and to your last comment, I guess I wasn't really thinking about giving players "multiple designations"....they would still only have one designation but the ability to score all the points of every position....you play Hill that week at TE.....but if he kicks a FG or intercepts a pass he gets those points to....so it comes down to how and what points you allow them to score...

I use MFL. @BassNBrew They don’t do multiple roster spot designations. But do allow to assign scoring of all types to all positions. So if there’s an int and Kelce makes the tackle he gets the tackle points. If mahomes were to kick a fg, he’d get the fg points. But you can’t start a player outside of their position designation.

I think what @Joe Bryant is wrestling with is how to rank these players that play multiple positions. The rankings are based on 1 position. When hill scored 50+ points he probably wasn’t the #1 TE before or after

Thanks for answering Bass's question....that is how I was going to respond...

as far as the issue of "ranking" them....I don't really see an issue.....In an IDP league the owner can designate at the time of the draft what position he is going to play Hunter that season and he doesn't get to flip flop him from DB to WR etc....he is locked in ....but can still get the points he scores from the other one....so FBG could have him in both sets (WR/DB) rankings and could either chose to assume he gets points for the other one or not when ranking him... example: if he gets WR points in your your league he is #1 ranked DB.....if he does not, he is #8 or whatever....

Either it's not possible or I should be able to designate Mahomes as my kicker.

It’s possible. But not very sensical. The site would have to allow it, make it possible. But why would it? Much easier to just allow all points to apply to all positions. A few years ago MFL designated a bunch of LBs to DEs because they play with their hand in the dirt. I suddenly had 9 DL and 3 LB. kinda annoying.

 

[Gally]

makes drafting every player the same....you would think league sites these days could accommodate...that way if you draft Hunter, you can decide for yourself each week to start him at WR or one of your defensive positions....basically just make every player eligible to score points on offense and/or defense...let Mahomes get points for intercepting a pass...if he ever did...

This is a bit confusing and makes it seems like you are advocating to allow any player to be used at any positions which essentially turns every lineup into just flex spots. From later on posts I think i get what you meant which was any stat should be scored for everyone. I think most IDP leagues do work that way. At least all IDP leagues I am in or have heard about. I know when my QB throws a pick (-3 pts) I am rooting for him to get a tackle (1 pt) to off set the negative pts of the INT if possible.

There is no reason to limit statistics for each player. This happens anytime a guy like JJ Watt caught a TD pass. He got credit for the 6 pts for scoring a TD. Didn't matter it happened on offense. At least that is how we had it scored. I remember having Randy Moss and they put him out at the end of the game for the Hail Mary and he got the INT. *I got the points for the interception.

*Both examples are in IDP leagues though. Doesn't make much sense for standard offense only leagues that don't award points for defensive statistics like tackles or interceptions. But in IDP leagues I can't think of a reason that it wouldn't count all stats for all players.

 

[Gally]

A few years ago MFL designated a bunch of LBs to DEs because they play with their hand in the dirt. I suddenly had 9 DL and 3 LB. kinda annoying.

You could always manually change their position designations to whatever the league agreed to do. We kept the original position designation for any player that was under contract (salary cap/contract league) because you signed that guy to the contract based on that particular position. We lock positions for players under contract. Players not under contract change to the MFL default position. Clear to everyone and you don't get screwed on a contracted player changing positions. Works well.

 

[DA RAIDERS]

A few years ago MFL designated a bunch of LBs to DEs because they play with their hand in the dirt. I suddenly had 9 DL and 3 LB. kinda annoying.

You could always manually change their position designations to whatever the league agreed to do. We kept the original position designation for any player that was under contract (salary cap/contract league) because you signed that guy to the contract based on that particular position. We lock positions for players under contract. Players not under contract change to the MFL default position. Clear to everyone and you don't get screwed on a contracted player changing positions. Works well.

We voted on it and the default MFL settings won.

 

[par72golf]

It will be interesting to see how this is handled by the team that drafts him. As we all know, NFL vs college is a whole different ball game..... he could get lit up early or maybe he surprises us all and is really that generational athlete... time will tell.

 

[pinkstapler]

Was already touched on, but would agree with those saying from an IDP perspective he's likely not super valuable regardless. In my IDP experience, CBs are by far the least valuable and most replaceable position on the roster. Even with scoring systems adjusted to boost their value bumping up scoring for INTs and passes defended, I've found the most talented corners normally only get a year or two of elevated scoring above the pack and then OCs and QBs adjust to keep the ball away from them, thus drastically limiting their scoring potential. In leagues that don't distinguish between CB and safety, rather just start 3-4 DBs, you rarely even see many CBs owned. It's all safeties. The majority of his IDP value would still be tied to how much he is used on special teams and offense.

And as far as which position he is better at; I think it's hard to say definitively. I do feel comfortable saying he's been a top tier WR longer than a top tier CB. It wasn't till this season IMO he became elite as a CB. In 2023, while he was still good at the college level, he was cheating on nearly every play. He played the ball and not the man. He'd overcommit, break coverage, miss tackles, and go for the INT. It would not have translated well to the NFL at all. To his credit, he cleaned up nearly all of that in 2024 and elevated his game there a ton. It's why I've told a few people now to stop giving so much credit to Elic Ayomanor's 13 for 296 and 3TD game against Hunter in 2023. He wasn't even half the CB then he was this past season. Meanwhile, while he also upped his game at WR, I'd say he was still an early breakout and already positioned towards the top of the class in 2023. That makes me lean towards saying he's naturally a better WR and will translate better there in the NFL. But on the other hand, as others pointed out, it seems harder to come by talented corners in the NFL while WRs (to an extent) are a dime a dozen. Tough call.

 

[Stinkin Ref]

makes drafting every player the same....you would think league sites these days could accommodate...that way if you draft Hunter, you can decide for yourself each week to start him at WR or one of your defensive positions....basically just make every player eligible to score points on offense and/or defense...let Mahomes get points for intercepting a pass...if he ever did...

This is a bit confusing and makes it seems like you are advocating to allow any player to be used at any positions which essentially turns every lineup into just flex spots. From later on posts I think i get what you meant which was any stat should be scored for everyone. I think most IDP leagues do work that way. At least all IDP leagues I am in or have heard about. I know when my QB throws a pick (-3 pts) I am rooting for him to get a tackle (1 pt) to off set the negative pts of the INT if possible.

There is no reason to limit statistics for each player. This happens anytime a guy like JJ Watt caught a TD pass. He got credit for the 6 pts for scoring a TD. Didn't matter it happened on offense. At least that is how we had it scored. I remember having Randy Moss and they put him out at the end of the game for the Hail Mary and he got the INT. *I got the points for the interception.

*Both examples are in IDP leagues though. Doesn't make much sense for standard offense only leagues that don't award points for defensive statistics like tackles or interceptions. But in IDP leagues I can't think of a reason that it wouldn't count all stats for all players.

yeah after further thought it would be imperative for the owner to designate his status for the year at the point of drafting him....

 

[modogg]

I’ve already done like 25 drafts on underdog and wonder almost every time I see his name what to do. He is ranked WR57 over there so I have taken a flyer a few times considering he likely goes to a team needing help at WR. Hopefully he gets to a team with a flexible coach who can use his talents well.

 

[-OZ-]

yeah after further thought it would be imperative for the owner to designate his status for the year at the point of drafting him....

Why? Sometimes corners turn into safeties, DT into DE, LB into DE, QB into TE, etc.
I see no issue with allowing him to start as the position listed in the official team depth chart and getting points for everything he does.

 

[Grid71]

Funny to see several comments that lock down corner > a stud #1 WR. If that were the case, wouldn’t CB salaries be higher than WR?

My guess is he will choose to be listed as WR and make more money. Teams will try to list him as CB to pay less. Voted 75%+ in the poll just because I think he will want to put himself in a position to make more money.


From Google AI overview. Not the most reliable source, but looks like what I thought it would be.. top WR are making 30 mil range so why settle for 20?

• In 2023, the average salary for a wide receiver was $2,277,703, while the average salary for a cornerback was $1,999,348.
  
  
• The highest-paid wide receivers in the NFL make millions of dollars per year, while the highest-paid cornerbacks make around $20 million per year.

 

[-OZ-]

My guess is he will choose to be listed as WR and make more money. Teams will try to list him as CB to pay less.

If only he had say in that decision, for the first few years anyway.

 

[Gally]

Why? Sometimes corners turn into safeties, DT into DE, LB into DE, QB into TE, etc.

For FF purposes the reason to lock the position for the year is because you are drafting the player to fit your team needs for the year. Drafting him as a WR and then half way through the year he gets moved to DB where you have enough DB's already and taking away a WR where you might only have 3 is a problem.

Now next year you can adjust again and change the position if need be but that position should lock for the year for FF reasons at the time of the draft.

 

[-OZ-]

Why? Sometimes corners turn into safeties, DT into DE, LB into DE, QB into TE, etc.

For FF purposes the reason to lock the position for the year is because you are drafting the player to fit your team needs for the year. Drafting him as a WR and then half way through the year he gets moved to DB where you have enough DB's already and taking away a WR where you might only have 3 is a problem.

Now next year you can adjust again and change the position if need be but that position should lock for the year for FF reasons at the time of the draft.

My question was regarding the need to declare his position at the draft. League rules should dictate what position a player is, and if that allows for him to be both or either, so be it. It’s not up to owners to declare a position.

 

[Gally]

My question was regarding the need to declare his position at the draft. League rules should dictate what position a player is, and if that allows for him to be both or either, so be it. It’s not up to owners to declare a position.

For NFL purposes I don't understand the need to assign a position at all.

 

[-OZ-]

My question was regarding the need to declare his position at the draft. League rules should dictate what position a player is, and if that allows for him to be both or either, so be it. It’s not up to owners to declare a position.

For NFL purposes I don't understand the need to assign a position at all.

Other than Franchised players?

 

[Gally]

My question was regarding the need to declare his position at the draft. League rules should dictate what position a player is, and if that allows for him to be both or either, so be it. It’s not up to owners to declare a position.

For NFL purposes I don't understand the need to assign a position at all.

Other than Franchised players?

Which is contrived as a basis for assigning contract value as evidenced by the shenanigans teams try and pull off to limit salaries.

 

[-OZ-]

My question was regarding the need to declare his position at the draft. League rules should dictate what position a player is, and if that allows for him to be both or either, so be it. It’s not up to owners to declare a position.

For NFL purposes I don't understand the need to assign a position at all.

Other than Franchised players?

Which is contrived as a basis for assigning contract value as evidenced by the shenanigans teams try and pull off to limit salaries.

What’s your solution?

 

[Gally]

My question was regarding the need to declare his position at the draft. League rules should dictate what position a player is, and if that allows for him to be both or either, so be it. It’s not up to owners to declare a position.

For NFL purposes I don't understand the need to assign a position at all.

Other than Franchised players?

Which is contrived as a basis for assigning contract value as evidenced by the shenanigans teams try and pull off to limit salaries.

What’s your solution?

I am not making a judgement necessarily. For playing purposes there is no necessity for a position to be assigned to any player at the draft or otherwise. For money classification purposes they use positions for calculating average salaries. Makes sense except for when they force tweener players into the lower category for salary savings.

Maybe calculate salaries based on stats instead of positions? Maybe use an arbitration system like baseball? I have never really thought about a solution as it really doesn't affect me in any way.

 

[Anarchy99]

Maybe calculate salaries based on stats instead of positions?

I'm always in favor of paying for production. Problem is, top RBs can double up on WRs in terms of YFS or TD, yet they often make 25%-30% of the pay.

 

[Tau837]

I don't know this to be true, but I heard someone say on a podcast last week that Hunter has the talent to become the #1 CB in the NFL, whereas he would likely top out much lower than that at WR, though he would still be good. What I heard made me think the team that drafts him will likely use him as a fulltime CB with a package of plays at WR. Like @Anarchy99 posted earlier, maybe 10 plays per game at WR. Think Deion Sanders.

Ironically, the one exception to that would probably be if he ever plays in the NFL for... Deion Sanders.

If it plays out that way, for IDP leagues, every platform *should* list him as a CB but allow him to accumulate points for WR play also. For non-IDP leagues, I suppose he could be listed as a WR, but wouldn't anticipate he would carry any true value.

 

[Bri]

The Titans had a good slot corner.
They added two pro bowl CBs in free agency last year but they missed time. Rookie Jarvis Brownlee and journeyman Baker (expected re-sign) were outstanding and they had the top defense for most of the season
They don't need a CB.

They're the weakest team in NFL at WR

I bring this up because I've noticed when people discuss the Titans they say how great a WR he is. When people talk in general, he's good as a WR but blessed as a CB.

I didn't much care for this but I think it does prove a valuable point- most of the top pick teams could really use him at WR too.


So I've shifted my thoughts to believe he will play enough to be FF worthy. Yardage might not be great but he should be in in the RedZone.

Champ Bailey's lengthy interview had me believing majority at CB but some of these teams have a significant need at WR

 

[Soulfly3]

Even if this kid said, "I am playing WR and nothing else" he wouldn't be a top 10 pick. He's good... That's about it imo.
His powers are that he CAN play both sides, which shows how freakish he is mentally and physically. But anyone drafting him at 1/2/3/4 (liklier 3/4) is taking him because they want the next Sauce plus more. Not because they think they're getting a top end WR, because they likely aren't at the NFL level.

 

[Cowboysfan8]

My question is what makes him so different? Why don't other teams try and get their talented DBs involved on Offense more often?

I’ve been wondering this myself

 

[pinkstapler]

Even if this kid said, "I am playing WR and nothing else" he wouldn't be a top 10 pick. He's good... That's about it imo.
His powers are that he CAN play both sides, which shows how freakish he is mentally and physically. But anyone drafting him at 1/2/3/4 (liklier 3/4) is taking him because they want the next Sauce plus more. Not because they think they're getting a top end WR, because they likely aren't at the NFL level.

I'm not saying I'm fully on board with it myself; but I have been reading nonstop on Hunter for a few weeks now and there are plenty of people both in the fantasy community and the NFL community that do believe he's the best WR in this draft and that he'd be a top end WR1 for an NFL team should he commit to primarily playing that position. It's all guess work until the draft actually unfolds but I think there are plenty out there who would say he would be a top 10 pick even if only a WR, and similarly that he'd be 1.02 at worse in rookie drafts if he only played WR.

He did win the Biletnikoff and I've seen several reputable sites/outlets rave about his elite ball/spatial awareness skills as well as elite body control. Several comp him to Chad Johnson, and more recently OBJ. Again, not saying I agree. But I'd challenge the assertion that no one out there views him as a very, very special WR even outside of the potential to play two ways or be a star CB.

 

[-OZ-]

My question is what makes him so different? Why don't other teams try and get their talented DBs involved on Offense more often?

I’ve been wondering this myself

I realize my thinking is probably way too simplistic, but I used to assume 90% of these guys want to play receiver but most just aren’t good enough, consistent enough to be elite receivers early in college or even high level high school. Then specialization happens.

 

[Bri]

Adoree Jackson was a two way player in college- a shutdown corner, KR, and WR.
His junior year he went from 27 catches to 2 though. The two had a 38 yards average.

He had his moments when he was young as a CB. I still remember two games he absolutely blanketed Tyreek Hill and I didn't even think that was possible because Hill is so fast.

He played a snap every so many games on offense, maybe 2-3 in a row.

He'd get dinged up and not play as well on defense and Vrabel took offense away from him so he could focus on CB. Getting dinged up became a thing and Vrabel questioned many on the team. One year Adoree was coming back in a few weeks and in a few weeks and then out for the year. People were upset with how do you misdiagnose etc.

He stopped playing WR even in camp and at as a return man he started to fumble and muff catches.

After leaving in free agency, he had some good games with the Giants but he's pretty ordinary as a CB despite exceptional speed and quickness

On a podcast, he talked about losing his confidence. CB seemed like work to him and WR/KR were his time to let loose and have fun.

*******
Deion has said something similar as has Champ Bailey about defense being work and offense being fun.
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CBs are a weird group mentally. The Titans had a CB from OK State that was a top CB then not and they tried to resurrect his career. He was doing very well then had a bad game and he was done. That quick. They'd put him in sub packages but he'd get burned and cut just maybe 3-4 weeks after being their top CB.

The CBs I've interviewed are all weird and I have trouble with the conversation. I expect normal humanity. No no they are the best. They absolutely believe it. There are many in the NFL that think CBs have to think they're the best to face the incredible athleticism at WR. I had to switch up my questions to be more like "he got lucky to catch a pass" and...

Anyway, the mental aspect of CB is something else and I wonder if Hunter has to play both.

Sauce was a shutdown guy right away. He held this WR to no catches or one catch or two. He had however many series that he could walk tall as he left the field.

If Hunter is a typical rookie at CB and has good, great, bad moments. Do they need to let him blow off some steam?

He and Deion (probably not coincidentally) say things like it's his ball when it leaves the QBs hands. I find that fascinating. Not some CB technique or WR route running phrase but 'that's my ball." Hunter is intelligent and speaks well enough when I've watched. I don't mean anything negative. He'll talk the fine points of the game at each spot but just if it's a quick comment I mean. So this is his base. His starting point mentally in a game.

I wonder if he has to touch it. I wonder if being on the sideline when the offense is on the field feels like "put me in coach?"

I love listening to college kids talk about the game especially the best ones. He's so fun. I wasn't going to let him have it. He's not running that on me. On and on it's just so fun in a sports fan way.

But I'm older now, getting up there in age myself, and I do notice things like how is this guy mentally. What drives him? Vrabel and Mularkey would talk about adding football players and that coincided with my age I guess. You want the obsessed types that go home and workout or study film and eat drink and sleep football.

I don't know Hunter. I can't offer an opinion on it really but just what I've said above- how I wonder. I think it's super important that the mental aspect is as great as it is now and a team better pay attention to how he reacts if he doesn't play WR or gets burned on some plays etc.

I think it would be easier mentally to have him play WR full-time and CB part time. It's your ball? We'll go get it then. A few catches and he's all confident, get in there at CB.
The other side is CBs don't touch the ball a lot. In college they tip passes and get maybe six INTs. Pro QBs know where to throw it and WRs do dive routes and he's going to touch it an awful lot less in the NFL.

Sorry for the long tangent. I just find the mental aspect fascinating as I get older

 

[KellysHeroes]

my gut says he'll be CB mostly unless the team really truly goes out of their way to force WR on to him
in non-IDP leagues someone will surely take him way before me
in my IDP leagues that allow IDPs to score offensive points I could talk myself into a late 1st to mid 2nd pick

 

[Ruffrodys05]

I do not have a comment about his college coach. I do not have a comment on what position he might play, or not, in the NFL. I do not have a comment about what pick he might get drafted at or to which team. I do not have a comment about which team might provide the best fit for his talents. None of these things matter to me whatsoever.

I am just hoping that whichever team drafts him, at whatever pick, is smart enough to use him at whichever position where his specific talents and ultimately his usage will provide the best results for that team. If that does in fact happen then I believe he will be top-5 fairly consistently at whichever position that ends up being. Sure, very early on in his career he might attempt a couple/few kick returns or slip in to his second position for extra work but, as soon as he productively settles into his main role those extracurricular duties will fall by the wayside.

Whenever Joe started this thread I voted 0-5% chance Hunter sees "meaningful" work at his second position during his NFL career. I am still confident in this choice/belief.

Of course, my current position could all be malarkey. If a less than intelligent organization, owner, head coach becomes so enamored with the temptation and novelty of playing Hunter at both positions, as he was utilized in the NCAA, giving him consistent, meaningful work at both, I will be very disappointed. I feel Hunters career longevity will be hindered and will ultimately not be as long as it could have been otherwise.

Whichever team does draft him will hold his career trajectory in their hands and then we should all have a better feel for which direction things will likely go for Hunter early in his career.

 

[GregR]

Back when I was still playing FF, we had this situation with of all people... Atlanta punter Michael Koenen.

Our dynasty league had an 11 skill position offensive unit, a full 4-3 IDP defense, plus punter, kicker and head coach (FP for margin of victory) positions. Full points for any stat a player produced regardless of position.

If I remember right, Koenen was Atlanta's punter. And the kicker got hurt or cut or something, and they decided to roll with Koenen for both punter and kicker. We had crafted the scoring so IDP and special team value was only about 60% that of offensive players, but doubling up would still make him immensely valuable, on par with top offensive players.

Unfortunately, they signed a kicker after just a week or two. Unfortunate because I had him on my roster.

 

[Gally]

Back when I was still playing FF, we had this situation with of all people... Atlanta punter Michael Koenen.

Our dynasty league had an 11 skill position offensive unit, a full 4-3 IDP defense, plus punter, kicker and head coach (FP for margin of victory) positions. Full points for any stat a player produced regardless of position.

If I remember right, Koenen was Atlanta's punter. And the kicker got hurt or cut or something, and they decided to roll with Koenen for both punter and kicker. We had crafted the scoring so IDP and special team value was only about 60% that of offensive players, but doubling up would still make him immensely valuable, on par with top offensive players.

Unfortunately, they signed a kicker after just a week or two. Unfortunate because I had him on my roster.

I remember this as we were in the exact same situation....except our scoring was built to make every position equal. The exact situation was that Atlanta announced they were going into the season with Koenen as both their kicker and punter to save on roster spots. We also gave extra points for long FG's and Koenen was hitting 50+ yarders in pre season a lot.

Everyone thought they were so smart by targeting him and one guy announced at the time he took him (about 5 rounds earlier than we usually took P or K) that he was drafting the leagues leading scorer for this year. Everyone moaned as we all had him targeted for that huge advantage.

The problem was that Koenen missed 3 or 4 FG's in the first two games (with 2 or 3 being 50+) so they decided to bring in a kicker and the experiment ended. It was unfortunate because he wasn't missing chip shots. They were long FG's but they cost them games so they made the change.

We still joke about the "I am taking the #1 scorer in the league.....Michael Koenan" announcement. I have no doubt something similar will be uttered when Hunter is drafted this year.