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CB/WR Travis Hunter, JAX (3 Viewers)

Sooo I'm sitting here wondering why everyone is calling Hunter a unicorn.
I don't misunderstand he's talented and all but where's the line drawn?
I don't think it's real complicated myself.

It's one thing to have enough natural ability to play somewhat effectively at two positions. It's one thing to "dabble" at another position when you reach higher levels of football. What Hunter did is something else entirely when you play 115 snaps a game, win conference defensive player of the year while also being first team at WR. That's like nothing we've seen in our lifetimes. If that's not a unicorn I don't know what is.
 
I'll cut and paste a partial post I made in the other thread.

The big outlier is obviously Hunter. If he was projected to go mid 1st instead of early 1st, then perhaps he was planning to play WR more. Since he's entering the combine primarily as a DB and projected to go 1.2 to the Browns, I can see him fall into the 2nd round of rookie drafts. At that point he's worth the lower cost risk. What if he looks at the money the WRs are making vs all the DBs except for a couple and says, yeah, I'd like to be making at least 15M per year. As it is today, no way on God's green earth do you take him early in a rookie draft, even though that's were he would be taken if he was going to primarily be a WR, which he isn't. He simply won't play enough WR to make it worth the risk in the 1st round of a rookie draft IMO.
 
Says he will do workouts at NFL Combine as a CB
Sucks for us FF nerds. No way I take him in the 1st round of a rookie draft now (non IDP of course)
IDP makes this interesting imo. There’s still no way I’d take a corner in the first but early 2nd starts to get interesting if you think he’ll get 5-10 snaps a game as receiver.

There’s a fair chance Hunter becomes the highest corner drafted in my lifetime. I would be fine with him going 1 to the titans.
 

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I hate that he's pushing for CB. I feel like his WR upside comp is Justin Jefferson.

Mentality. Some people love shutting people down. I remember from limited experience that there is something so satisfying about telling a guy that you're faster and better than him and smothering him for the whole game. It's really something that's innately in you.

For some reason WR lends itself to divas and CB lends itself to ****-talking jesters who are lethally serious about their ****-talking and humor, which is undergirded by an almost hyper-competitiveness. There are few things in football like the battles along the sideline, and watching that battle (when played man-to-man) is one of the great things in the sport. Hunter flipping to WR is just cause for a jaw to drop, but he might truly love CB more than WR.

Fun times for him. I hope they let him do what makes him happy.
 
I hate that he's pushing for CB. I feel like his WR upside comp is Justin Jefferson.

Mentality. Some people love shutting people down. I remember from limited experience that there is something so satisfying about telling a guy that you're faster and better than him and smothering him for the whole game. It's really something that's innately in you.

For some reason WR lends itself to divas and CB lends itself to ****-talking jesters who are lethally serious about their ****-talking and humor, which is undergirded by an almost hyper-competitiveness. There are few things in football like the battles along the sideline, and watching that battle (when played man-to-man) is one of the great things in the sport. Hunter flipping to WR is just cause for a jaw to drop, but he might truly love CB more than WR.

Fun times for him. I hope they let him do what makes him happy.

Doesn't it also have to do with supply/demand of elite WRs vs elite CBs? I feel like in the NFL it's hard to get elite CBs so by Hunter picking that he will be positioning himself better for the draft.
 
I hate that he's pushing for CB. I feel like his WR upside comp is Justin Jefferson.

Mentality. Some people love shutting people down. I remember from limited experience that there is something so satisfying about telling a guy that you're faster and better than him and smothering him for the whole game. It's really something that's innately in you.

For some reason WR lends itself to divas and CB lends itself to ****-talking jesters who are lethally serious about their ****-talking and humor, which is undergirded by an almost hyper-competitiveness. There are few things in football like the battles along the sideline, and watching that battle (when played man-to-man) is one of the great things in the sport. Hunter flipping to WR is just cause for a jaw to drop, but he might truly love CB more than WR.

Fun times for him. I hope they let him do what makes him happy.

Doesn't it also have to do with supply/demand of elite WRs vs elite CBs? I feel like in the NFL it's hard to get elite CBs so by Hunter picking that he will be positioning himself better for the draft.

Sure. It would seem that it's harder to find elite CBs, but is that just because we don't hear about them as much unless they're extraordinary **** talkers like Deion?

What's the old folk wisdom? That CBs are WRs who couldn't catch the ball?

What I'm trying to say is I'm not sure elite CBs are harder to find than elite WRs because I'm not an expert and can't trust conventional narrative. I do know that WRs get paid just a touch more, if I'm not mistaken. Perhaps someone would look that up for us (I'm actually flagging here at 3:30 PST).
 
Perhaps TH is looking ahead... Does the WR position, with its insane depth, go the same route as RB did, in terms of paying the players?
We have NEVER had the sheer amount of top end to very good WRs that I can ever remember as we do now... Supply and Demand. I wonder if eventually, teams say "we'd rather have 2-3 good WRs instead of the superstar"... Never say never.

Corner does not have that dilemma. Not even a little bit.
 
I think super star play making WR's will always be valued higher than shut down corners but I also think any team leaning towards drafting Travis is intending on him playing full time at CB with a handful of plays at WR. I don't see a scenario where a team is drafting him to play full time at WR.

One point that no one has brought up, and I could be completely wrong with. I think it would be a lot easier for a full time CB to come in and play 10 snaps at WR than it would be for a full time WR to do the same at CB. Like I said, I could be completely wrong. Yes, Travis did it, but he was basically full time at both, just wondering if things change when you are focusing on one position 90% of the time.
 
The problem I see with him in fantasy is that in standard leagues if he isn't a full time WR he's worthless. In IDP leagues if he isn't full time at WR (where you can slot him in as a DB) he's also close to worthless. Shut down corners do not make IDP studs as the ball is not thrown their way often leading to less tackles, interceptions etc. A sprinkling of a few snaps at WR every game won't raise the bar enough.

Studs like Champ Bailey, Darrell Revis etc. where never IDP studs.

Now, if he plays full time at WR that all changes but I don't think that is going to happen. I can see a scenario where he plays full time at CB and dabbles at WR and fantasy owners are always hoping for that dual threat box score outcome and are disappointed week after week, year after year. Someone will overdraft him in every draft, it just won't be me.

To me, he's a much more valuable player to an NFL team than a fantasy team.
 
Not touching him unless he's there in the 3rd or 4th round, as an absolute prayer, in our PPR (non IDP) league.
You know... just hope and pray he makes the swith to WR, but mega doubts.
 
Does the WR position, with its insane depth, go the same route as RB did, in terms of paying the players?

I don't think so. The reason the RB position is that way is because their performance drops rapidly with injury and they age out faster than WRs.

In IDP leagues if he isn't full time at WR (where you can slot him in as a DB) he's also close to worthless. Shut down corners do not make IDP studs as the ball is not thrown their way often leading to less tackles, interceptions etc. A sprinkling of a few snaps at WR every game won't raise the bar enough.

This is spot-on but this assumes he's at least the best cornerback on his team from the moment he's drafted (he seems like he will be). Otherwise you get the rookie corner rule. I think you're right and he won't be subject to a lot of footballs coming his way, which means fewer picks, tackles, etc. It might leave him a bit worthless. That's what I said in Joe's thread about the percentages he'd be a meaningful contributor. I went with 5% or something like that. I'd up that to about 10-15%.
 
Does the WR position, with its insane depth, go the same route as RB did, in terms of paying the players?

I don't think so. The reason the RB position is that way is because their performance drops rapidly with injury and they age out faster than WRs.

In IDP leagues if he isn't full time at WR (where you can slot him in as a DB) he's also close to worthless. Shut down corners do not make IDP studs as the ball is not thrown their way often leading to less tackles, interceptions etc. A sprinkling of a few snaps at WR every game won't raise the bar enough.

This is spot-on but this assumes he's at least the best cornerback on his team from the moment he's drafted (he seems like he will be). Otherwise you get the rookie corner rule. I think you're right and he won't be subject to a lot of footballs coming his way, which means fewer picks, tackles, etc. It might leave him a bit worthless. That's what I said in Joe's thread about the percentages he'd be a meaningful contributor. I went with 5% or something like that. I'd up that to about 10-15%.
Let's use Surtain as an example. In one of my IDP leagues, Surtain averaged 9.3 PPG. The top CB averaged 15.9. To even match the top CB, Surtain would have had to average 3 receptions and 35 yards a game as a WR. Looking at this, Hunter would probably have to play about half of the offensive snaps to even approach the top IDP CBs. He would have to play both full time to really make a difference in fantasy. Not worth the risk to me.
 
Does the WR position, with its insane depth, go the same route as RB did, in terms of paying the players?

I don't think so. The reason the RB position is that way is because their performance drops rapidly with injury and they age out faster than WRs.

In IDP leagues if he isn't full time at WR (where you can slot him in as a DB) he's also close to worthless. Shut down corners do not make IDP studs as the ball is not thrown their way often leading to less tackles, interceptions etc. A sprinkling of a few snaps at WR every game won't raise the bar enough.

This is spot-on but this assumes he's at least the best cornerback on his team from the moment he's drafted (he seems like he will be). Otherwise you get the rookie corner rule. I think you're right and he won't be subject to a lot of footballs coming his way, which means fewer picks, tackles, etc. It might leave him a bit worthless. That's what I said in Joe's thread about the percentages he'd be a meaningful contributor. I went with 5% or something like that. I'd up that to about 10-15%.
Let's use Surtain as an example. In one of my IDP leagues, Surtain averaged 9.3 PPG. The top CB averaged 15.9. To even match the top CB, Surtain would have had to average 3 receptions and 35 yards a game as a WR. Looking at this, Hunter would probably have to play about half of the offensive snaps to even approach the top IDP CBs. He would have to play both full time to really make a difference in fantasy. Not worth the risk to me.
Right. Assuming Hunter is basically the best corner in the league. He probably won’t be at surtain’s level immediately.
But yeah, if he doesn’t play WR 8-12 snaps at minimum per game he isn’t worth taking in the first.

Eta - in my main IDP league you can grab a corner off waivers that averaged 7-8 ppg. The best corner got 10 ppg. They really aren’t worth drafting early.
 
What's the earliest you would risk taking Hunter in a start 1qb league? Someone will bite as high as 1.07, and certainly the late first, but I think a lot of people would feel more comfortable in the early to mid 2nd. He will probably average out to the 1.10 to 2.01 range.
 
Pats at 1.04?
The message coming out of NE is they are going to build in the trenches this offseason on both sides of the ball and then work their way out. Who knows if they actually think that. I know they answered some media questions this week and suggested they will fix most of their holes through free agency and focus on best player available in the draft. If they really plan on concentrating on the OL and DL, I don't see there being enough solid players available through free agency that they will be able to sign to shore up those position groups. That could end up leaving them taking line help on either side of the ball at 4. They also pointed out that their view of Hunter is him having a day job and a side gig (although they did not specify what they considered his primary role would be . . .although it's thought that NE sees him as a CB). Theoretically, if the top 4 picks are the 2 QB, Hunter, and Carter, they might take whichever defender is there at 4. I've seen other mocks where they just slot NE with whichever OT they feel is best. I don't think at this point NE has mapped out what they want yet.
 
I will flat out admit being an idiot of the highest order on this kid, but I still believe he is 100% a CB and will play at most 3-5 snaps on offense
 
sounds pretty intelligent to me :shrug:

There is a lot of noise coming from teams that he's one of the top receivers in the draft on their boards and that they're considering him at WR. These teams are now paying 41 million dollars for the best receiver there is. That's good QB money. The value is in making Hunter a receiver. Follow the value and follow the money. If a well-run team selects him, then it behooves them to make him a receiver. You can bet dollars to donuts that New England, spurned at the table by WRs even when they back up the Brinks truck, is going to make him a WR. They can't attract anybody else!

Derek Stingley just signed for 3 years at 30 million dollars, terms not exactly known right now. That's quite the disparity from highest-paid corner to highest-paid WR. And the next highest-paid CB makes 25 million dollars. So you've got WR2s like Tee Higgins making around or more than what the second highest-paid corner in the league makes.

Hunter is a potentially excellent receiver but is going to need to work at it. Teams are going to have to stick by him as he goes through becoming something other than an athletic specimen. Does he have the hands and desire? We will see. But whoever drafts him is probably looking at using him as a WR if they're well-run. If the Giants draft him, you can best believe he'll be a cornerback and play receiver part-time. But the other clubs? Tennessee, Cleveland, New York, New England? Well, I can see Cleveland making him a CB because they're stuck with their heads in the sand, too. I can't see TN drafting him at 1 and doing the same. (Maybe they trade down and let a QB-needy team select Ward?)

So much in flux. So much in play. I think it depends on the noise of the team signing him. I'll bet if he goes to NE, they make him a WR. I don't think he falls that far, though. So interesting.
 
sounds pretty intelligent to me :shrug:

There is a lot of noise coming from teams that he's one of the top receivers in the draft on their boards and that they're considering him at WR. These teams are now paying 41 million dollars for the best receiver there is. That's good QB money. The value is in making Hunter a receiver. Follow the value and follow the money. If a well-run team selects him, then it behooves them to make him a receiver. You can bet dollars to donuts that New England, spurned at the table by WRs even when they back up the Brinks truck, is going to make him a WR. They can't attract anybody else!

Derek Stingley just signed for 3 years at 30 million dollars, terms not exactly known right now. That's quite the disparity from highest-paid corner to highest-paid WR. And the next highest-paid CB makes 25 million dollars. So you've got WR2s like Tee Higgins making around or more than what the second highest-paid corner in the league makes.

Hunter is a potentially excellent receiver but is going to need to work at it. Teams are going to have to stick by him as he goes through becoming something other than an athletic specimen. Does he have the hands and desire? We will see. But whoever drafts him is probably looking at using him as a WR if they're well-run. If the Giants draft him, you can best believe he'll be a cornerback and play receiver part-time. But the other clubs? Tennessee, Cleveland, New York, New England? Well, I can see Cleveland making him a CB because they're stuck with their heads in the sand, too. I can't see TN drafting him at 1 and doing the same. (Maybe they trade down and let a QB-needy team select Ward?)

So much in flux. So much in play. I think it depends on the noise of the team signing him. I'll bet if he goes to NE, they make him a WR. I don't think he falls that far, though. So interesting.

Again, I just can't see it... And if I'm wrong, then it screws me both as a thinker, and as someone holding the #3 pick.
He's just SO good at corner... Unbelievable, really... I don't know that he has IT to be a top receiver. A good one? yes. a great one? I dunno...

But hey, I obviously don't think it's impossible, just really unlikely. He was a heck of a college receiver, no doubt. Something about this kid makes me thinks he'd rather be a legend than just chase the biggest bag possible. Because honestly, he's gonna make major bag from the NFL and endorsements regardless.

But we'll see, you're not wrong in your thought process.. But NE is likely where he'd go to die.
 
Again, I just can't see it... And if I'm wrong, then it screws me both as a thinker, and as someone holding the #3 pick.

You generally have a good bead on things. Go with what your gut and head are telling you.

That is tough to have the number three pick this year. You should hope it goes Jeanty and McMillan so you have a no-brainer with Hampton. If it goes Jeanty and Hampton, then it gets a little tougher, huh?

eta* If you draft after the NFL draft like we do (a week or so after) then you've got a chance you'll have a lot more information than you have right now. It's quite possible the teams overtly announce (or say stuff discernible if you read between the lines) what they're going to do with him.
 
Again, I just can't see it... And if I'm wrong, then it screws me both as a thinker, and as someone holding the #3 pick.

You generally have a good bead on things. Go with what your gut and head are telling you.

That is tough to have the number three pick this year. You should hope it goes Jeanty and McMillan so you have a no-brainer with Hampton. If it goes Jeanty and Hampton, then it gets a little tougher, huh?

eta* If you draft after the NFL draft like we do (a week or so after) then you've got a chance you'll have a lot more information than you have right now. It's quite possible the teams overtly announce (or say stuff discernible if you read between the lines) what they're going to do with him.

We draft after the actual draft, so Im good there.
I feel like Hampton is mine at 3, but you never know... Can't see #2 passing on Tet, he needs WRs pretty badly.
 
sounds pretty intelligent to me :shrug:

There is a lot of noise coming from teams that he's one of the top receivers in the draft on their boards and that they're considering him at WR. These teams are now paying 41 million dollars for the best receiver there is. That's good QB money. The value is in making Hunter a receiver. Follow the value and follow the money. If a well-run team selects him, then it behooves them to make him a receiver. You can bet dollars to donuts that New England, spurned at the table by WRs even when they back up the Brinks truck, is going to make him a WR. They can't attract anybody else!

Derek Stingley just signed for 3 years at 30 million dollars, terms not exactly known right now. That's quite the disparity from highest-paid corner to highest-paid WR. And the next highest-paid CB makes 25 million dollars. So you've got WR2s like Tee Higgins making around or more than what the second highest-paid corner in the league makes.

Hunter is a potentially excellent receiver but is going to need to work at it. Teams are going to have to stick by him as he goes through becoming something other than an athletic specimen. Does he have the hands and desire? We will see. But whoever drafts him is probably looking at using him as a WR if they're well-run. If the Giants draft him, you can best believe he'll be a cornerback and play receiver part-time. But the other clubs? Tennessee, Cleveland, New York, New England? Well, I can see Cleveland making him a CB because they're stuck with their heads in the sand, too. I can't see TN drafting him at 1 and doing the same. (Maybe they trade down and let a QB-needy team select Ward?)

So much in flux. So much in play. I think it depends on the noise of the team signing him. I'll bet if he goes to NE, they make him a WR. I don't think he falls that far, though. So interesting.
I am on board here. The parts to include

Top CB is 25 million. 30 million not in effect for 2 years for Stingley. WR will go up again by than also. Even though most of the big dogs are now done.
The young man has to have a lot of say. Has the question been asked for which position he wants. Because knowing any Sanders disciple, he feels he is the best at both.
I may be wrong but believe WR shelf life is longer than a CB also
 
sounds pretty intelligent to me :shrug:

There is a lot of noise coming from teams that he's one of the top receivers in the draft on their boards and that they're considering him at WR. These teams are now paying 41 million dollars for the best receiver there is. That's good QB money. The value is in making Hunter a receiver. Follow the value and follow the money. If a well-run team selects him, then it behooves them to make him a receiver. You can bet dollars to donuts that New England, spurned at the table by WRs even when they back up the Brinks truck, is going to make him a WR. They can't attract anybody else!

Derek Stingley just signed for 3 years at 30 million dollars, terms not exactly known right now. That's quite the disparity from highest-paid corner to highest-paid WR. And the next highest-paid CB makes 25 million dollars. So you've got WR2s like Tee Higgins making around or more than what the second highest-paid corner in the league makes.

Hunter is a potentially excellent receiver but is going to need to work at it. Teams are going to have to stick by him as he goes through becoming something other than an athletic specimen. Does he have the hands and desire? We will see. But whoever drafts him is probably looking at using him as a WR if they're well-run. If the Giants draft him, you can best believe he'll be a cornerback and play receiver part-time. But the other clubs? Tennessee, Cleveland, New York, New England? Well, I can see Cleveland making him a CB because they're stuck with their heads in the sand, too. I can't see TN drafting him at 1 and doing the same. (Maybe they trade down and let a QB-needy team select Ward?)

So much in flux. So much in play. I think it depends on the noise of the team signing him. I'll bet if he goes to NE, they make him a WR. I don't think he falls that far, though. So interesting.

Again, I just can't see it... And if I'm wrong, then it screws me both as a thinker, and as someone holding the #3 pick.
He's just SO good at corner... Unbelievable, really... I don't know that he has IT to be a top receiver. A good one? yes. a great one? I dunno...

But hey, I obviously don't think it's impossible, just really unlikely. He was a heck of a college receiver, no doubt. Something about this kid makes me thinks he'd rather be a legend than just chase the biggest bag possible. Because honestly, he's gonna make major bag from the NFL and endorsements regardless.

But we'll see, you're not wrong in your thought process.. But NE is likely where he'd go to die.

If NE drafted him and he was committed to playing WR that would be as good of a spot as possible for him...he would immediately be Drake Maye's top target and it wouldn't be close.
 
sounds pretty intelligent to me :shrug:

There is a lot of noise coming from teams that he's one of the top receivers in the draft on their boards and that they're considering him at WR. These teams are now paying 41 million dollars for the best receiver there is. That's good QB money. The value is in making Hunter a receiver. Follow the value and follow the money. If a well-run team selects him, then it behooves them to make him a receiver. You can bet dollars to donuts that New England, spurned at the table by WRs even when they back up the Brinks truck, is going to make him a WR. They can't attract anybody else!

Derek Stingley just signed for 3 years at 30 million dollars, terms not exactly known right now. That's quite the disparity from highest-paid corner to highest-paid WR. And the next highest-paid CB makes 25 million dollars. So you've got WR2s like Tee Higgins making around or more than what the second highest-paid corner in the league makes.

Hunter is a potentially excellent receiver but is going to need to work at it. Teams are going to have to stick by him as he goes through becoming something other than an athletic specimen. Does he have the hands and desire? We will see. But whoever drafts him is probably looking at using him as a WR if they're well-run. If the Giants draft him, you can best believe he'll be a cornerback and play receiver part-time. But the other clubs? Tennessee, Cleveland, New York, New England? Well, I can see Cleveland making him a CB because they're stuck with their heads in the sand, too. I can't see TN drafting him at 1 and doing the same. (Maybe they trade down and let a QB-needy team select Ward?)

So much in flux. So much in play. I think it depends on the noise of the team signing him. I'll bet if he goes to NE, they make him a WR. I don't think he falls that far, though. So interesting.
Waiting for Hunter to come out and say he want's to be a WR. As you pointed out, WR is a much more lucrative pay scale than CB. Not like Hunter has no part of the decision in this situation.
 
sounds pretty intelligent to me :shrug:

There is a lot of noise coming from teams that he's one of the top receivers in the draft on their boards and that they're considering him at WR. These teams are now paying 41 million dollars for the best receiver there is. That's good QB money. The value is in making Hunter a receiver. Follow the value and follow the money. If a well-run team selects him, then it behooves them to make him a receiver. You can bet dollars to donuts that New England, spurned at the table by WRs even when they back up the Brinks truck, is going to make him a WR. They can't attract anybody else!

Derek Stingley just signed for 3 years at 30 million dollars, terms not exactly known right now. That's quite the disparity from highest-paid corner to highest-paid WR. And the next highest-paid CB makes 25 million dollars. So you've got WR2s like Tee Higgins making around or more than what the second highest-paid corner in the league makes.

Hunter is a potentially excellent receiver but is going to need to work at it. Teams are going to have to stick by him as he goes through becoming something other than an athletic specimen. Does he have the hands and desire? We will see. But whoever drafts him is probably looking at using him as a WR if they're well-run. If the Giants draft him, you can best believe he'll be a cornerback and play receiver part-time. But the other clubs? Tennessee, Cleveland, New York, New England? Well, I can see Cleveland making him a CB because they're stuck with their heads in the sand, too. I can't see TN drafting him at 1 and doing the same. (Maybe they trade down and let a QB-needy team select Ward?)

So much in flux. So much in play. I think it depends on the noise of the team signing him. I'll bet if he goes to NE, they make him a WR. I don't think he falls that far, though. So interesting.
Waiting for Hunter to come out and say he want's to be a WR. As you pointed out, WR is a much more lucrative pay scale than CB. Not like Hunter has no part of the decision in this situation.

Perhaps I'm inventing this with all the news that that's been coming out, but didn't Travis say, or at least imply he sees himself as more of a CB?
I know he wants to do both full time(won't happen), but I feel like I remember this from somewhere
 

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