Chad Johnson or Ocho Cinco (1 Viewer)

[Team Smokin']

Have much value moving forward or was his two TD's last week an anomaly, which is the deviation from the common rule? Is Ocho simply a lost football soul or a resurrected star? Is he at best a #3 WR or flex player moving forward? I understand he is on bye this week and Palmer looks like he's done for 2008. All that aside - how much value or is it hope in finding some kind of acorn out there?

 

[two_dollars]

#3 WR with upside

 

[SpurrierisisGod]

#3 WR with upside

He's been my best option at #3 all year (hurting at wr).I think his recent play is a combination of learning to live with the injury and Fiyzpatrick turning off the man love for Housh.Rest of the way I see playing him in good matchup situations.

 

[MCguidance]

#3 WR with upside

He's been my best option at #3 all year (hurting at wr).I think his recent play is a combination of learning to live with the injury and Fiyzpatrick turning off the man love for Housh.Rest of the way I see playing him in good matchup situations.

I think the receptions being up and yards being down also is a product of the Bengals realizing they just don't have the line to hold the 7 step drops too often. This has lead to Chad running more routes that will translate to the 3 and 5 step, and even the 5 step are fewer than before. Also, Palmer threw a great long ball, Fitz is not that type of QB. Cerebral, yes. Stud, no. I think Chad will still be a decent option at WR3 - trying to move him and my surplus of QBs to a QB needy team.

 

[jeeb]

Just throwing this in there: if Fitzpatrick was a little more accurate last week, Chad would have had 5 touchdowns against Rashean Mathis.

 

[FantasyTrader]

#3 WR with upside

He won't catch a TD every week. His high-water mark on the year is 57 yds. That's just brutal. That being said, his last three games are his three highest weeks of year in terms of targets. That's encouraging. But for now I'd say he's better suited as a #4. It's certainly not a disaster if he's your #3 but I'd rather have him as a flex or part of a #3WR by committee on my fantasy squad.

 

[rotohuff]

You can put him out there as a number three guy every week. He's not much of a WR2 anymore though. You pretty much got ripped where you drafted him; more than likely.

 

[AnonymousBob]

Not much better than a whole lot of options. I'd rather have a lot of other players. The Bengals are a complete and total joke - the only team I think is a bigger disaster zone is located in Oakland. I dumped OchoCinco before last week and I'm not regretting it in the least. Imo he's a #4 wr when he has good matchups (which he does have).

 

[trader jake]

45 yards every week

TD 50% of games

startable but not a stud

 

[Interseptopus]

Look at 2007 and 2006... then look at his stats for 2008. He's doing the exact same thing he's done the last 2 seasons- absolutely suck for 13 games out of the year and then 3 games he goes nuts with 250 yards and 2-3 TDs... making his year end stats inflated and very deceiving. If you drafted CJ this year you drafted 3 good games and 13 games he's not even worth starting. The worst part of it is that there is no predicting when he'll go off, so you have to live with the 4-40-0 games to get the 10-250-3 games

 

[Interseptopus]

45 yards every weekTD 50% of gamesstartable but not a stud

See, exactly my point. People look at his stats and say, oh 4 TDs in 9 weeks, not bad. He scored a TD in 3 games this year, and no TD in 6 games. So that's 33% of the games, not 50%. Big difference. Basically guarantees you to get very solid production from him 5 games out of the year (at this pace)... sorry but for my league that's unacceptable. A starter HAS to get you at least 10 points weekly for you to have a winning record. He's averaging 9.4 ypc... his career average is 14.6. Don't plan on CJ going over 100 yards as long as Palmer is out. CJ's days as a stud are over as long as he's in CIN. Even if he goes elsewhere, he won't be as effective as he was in 2003-2005, at least from a fantasy perspective

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

Just throwing this in there: if Fitzpatrick was a little more accurate last week, Chad would have had 5 touchdowns against Rashean Mathis.

The one late when Chad was behind the D was an easy one that Fitz overthrew and if he had connected, 85 would have been the fantasy story of the day.Fitz is trusting Chad to find a way to catch balls in the red zone, throwing into small and unconventional windows. Expect 85 to continue to be Fitz's first option when the Bengals are in close.Chad is also getting separation deep, Fitzpatrick just keeps overthrowing him. There have been a few that went off Chad's fingertips or forced a good defensive play, but the deep ball hasn't been there. That's why the YPC is so low. It has little to do with 85 not getting open downfield and everything to do with Fitzpatrick's inaccurate deep ball.85 is an outstanding buy low in dynasty. His 2 TD week might have closed the buy low window in redraft leagues.Bottom line, for weeks now, Chad Johnson has looked like the guy who is an elite NFL WR, and once he has his QB back next year, his fantasy stats (at least at year's end) will be elite too.

 

[Interseptopus]

Bottom line, for weeks now, Chad Johnson has looked like the guy who is an elite NFL WR, and once he has his QB back next year, his fantasy stats (at least at year's end) will be elite too.

Just hypothetically: if a player gets 4-40 every week, but 3 weeks out of the year he goes for 10-250-3, his year end stats would be:82/1270/9

Sure, those are "elite" stats at year's end, but is that WR truly an elite WR? I have a real hard time believing that.

That's exactly what Chad Johnson has done for his stats in 2007 and 2006.

2003: TDs in 7/16 games, 90+ yards receiving in 7/16 games

2004: TDs in 6/16 games, 90+ yards receiving in 5/16 games

2005: TDs in 8/16 games, 90+ yards receiving in 8/16 games

2006: TDs in 4/16 games, 90+ yards receiving in 6/16 games

2007: TDs in 4/16 games, 90+ yards receiving in 6/16 games

2008: TDs in 3/9 games, 90+ yards receiving in 0/9 games (granted, Palmer is hurt)

The trend with CJ since 2006 has been to score 2-3 TDs in 4 games and then fall off the face of the earth in between those huge games. Sure, he is a playmaker and can make huge plays in an offense- obviously since he can have those 10/250/3 days, but is that the definition of an "elite" NFL WR?

In all honesty, I'd rather have someone like Vincent Jackson... who is hardly "elite"

 

[BespokeJort]

Bottom line, for weeks now, Chad Johnson has looked like the guy who is an elite NFL WR, and once he has his QB back next year, his fantasy stats (at least at year's end) will be elite too.

Just hypothetically: if a player gets 4-40 every week, but 3 weeks out of the year he goes for 10-250-3, his year end stats would be:82/1270/9

Sure, those are "elite" stats at year's end, but is that WR truly an elite WR? I have a real hard time believing that.

That's exactly what Chad Johnson has done for his stats in 2007 and 2006.

2003: TDs in 7/16 games, 90+ yards receiving in 7/16 games

2004: TDs in 6/16 games, 90+ yards receiving in 5/16 games

2005: TDs in 8/16 games, 90+ yards receiving in 8/16 games

2006: TDs in 4/16 games, 90+ yards receiving in 6/16 games

2007: TDs in 4/16 games, 90+ yards receiving in 6/16 games

2008: TDs in 3/9 games, 90+ yards receiving in 0/9 games (granted, Palmer is hurt)

The trend with CJ since 2006 has been to score 2-3 TDs in 4 games and then fall off the face of the earth in between those huge games. Sure, he is a playmaker and can make huge plays in an offense- obviously since he can have those 10/250/3 days, but is that the definition of an "elite" NFL WR?

In all honesty, I'd rather have someone like Vincent Jackson... who is hardly "elite"

yeah that's why i've stopped drafting players like him and MJD...i'd much rather have a consistent 10-15 points per week than a guy who gets you 4 points 2/3 weeks and then 30 points 1/3 weeks...i'd rather get a player who will score less overall points but do it in a consistent fashion so i can rely on their not crapping the bed in crucial matchups

 

[Interseptopus]

Bottom line, for weeks now, Chad Johnson has looked like the guy who is an elite NFL WR, and once he has his QB back next year, his fantasy stats (at least at year's end) will be elite too.

Just hypothetically: if a player gets 4-40 every week, but 3 weeks out of the year he goes for 10-250-3, his year end stats would be:82/1270/9

Sure, those are "elite" stats at year's end, but is that WR truly an elite WR? I have a real hard time believing that.

That's exactly what Chad Johnson has done for his stats in 2007 and 2006.

2003: TDs in 7/16 games, 90+ yards receiving in 7/16 games

2004: TDs in 6/16 games, 90+ yards receiving in 5/16 games

2005: TDs in 8/16 games, 90+ yards receiving in 8/16 games

2006: TDs in 4/16 games, 90+ yards receiving in 6/16 games

2007: TDs in 4/16 games, 90+ yards receiving in 6/16 games

2008: TDs in 3/9 games, 90+ yards receiving in 0/9 games (granted, Palmer is hurt)

The trend with CJ since 2006 has been to score 2-3 TDs in 4 games and then fall off the face of the earth in between those huge games. Sure, he is a playmaker and can make huge plays in an offense- obviously since he can have those 10/250/3 days, but is that the definition of an "elite" NFL WR?

In all honesty, I'd rather have someone like Vincent Jackson... who is hardly "elite"

yeah that's why i've stopped drafting players like him and MJD...i'd much rather have a consistent 10-15 points per week than a guy who gets you 4 points 2/3 weeks and then 30 points 1/3 weeks...i'd rather get a player who will score less overall points but do it in a consistent fashion so i can rely on their not crapping the bed in crucial matchups

It's the ever-long debate of consistent 10-15 point player or the up and down player who could get you <10 --> 30+There was an article on FBG a long time ago about this, saying the flashy player could be the better option over the consistent player. I still don't understand it, but okay.

Personally, I'll take consistency over potential any day.

However I really don't understand how someone's final numbers can put them into elite status. Law of averages- if a player is the #1 WR 4 weeks out of the year, but the #38 WR 12 games out of the year, how is he a top 10 WR? Averaging places him as the 29th best WR. If anyone has an answer to this then that'd be great. What would be even better is if FBG developed a program that would erase out-liers of one's yearly statistics and get a good projection/ranking from that. If a guy goes nuts 4 games out of the year, but stinks the other 12, how can his year end stats be taken seriously as "elite"???