GiantsRule
Footballguy
To be fair, what if he gets hurt on the first carry of the conference semis? Injuries can happen at any time no matter how you try to defend against them.
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Chances Zeke gets some rest week 16? (1 Viewer)
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Interseptopus
Footballguy
false. I thought I've made that clear, twice... yes they can happen any time but risk goes up with fatigue.
can't wait for this game to just be over. there are two people here: those who need him to play and those who are looking at it from as if they were the coach. most of us would sit him if we were the coach. but we aren't the coach... so no matter how dumb we think the decision is for him to play, we are on the couch
Shutout
Footballguy
True, every player is always one play away from injury but their is something to be said about calculated risk management, if any player gets hurt in the playoffs, it happens and you go with it and no team in the NFL makes an excuse for those things but if you decide to play arguably your MVP in a completely meaningless game and they get injured, how do you answer the question as to why you did it? I'm sure the owner and coach would say something like "we don't play scared or we don't deal in hypotheticals" but you KNOW they understand they blew it at that point. If they make a decision that has no upside but potential bad downside, why do it?
You know there are players that would question that. You know there are teams that have openly said we aren't risking kuechly in a meaningless game. We aren't risking aj green when it's meaningless. This teams know that their long term organizational health (pardon the phrase) is linked to certain players and it's not worth it when there is nothing to play for.
Can you imagine if elliot tears an ACL in this meaningless game tonight? That not only kills everything they have worked on this year but pretty much next year too. To me, I just would like to know that if we see him play normal snaps tonight, what is the payoff versus the potential loss. And if he plays 20 snaps the next two weeks and then seems to wear down I. The playoffs or not be good next year (the 400+ carry thing), then how do they justify it?
Weebs210
Footballguy
There were a bunch of ex players and coaches who were saying they think Dak and Zeke should play the majority of the game as rookies. They need the reps and don't want them to get complacent. Jerry Jones spoke of a bad experience about resting starters and losing first round because of it. So many ex players and coaches think there is upside to playing them. But I'm sure you know more about this then them.
Interseptopus
Footballguy
Weebs210
Footballguy
Interseptopus
Footballguy
I'm just saying, if jerry says he's rested players and regretted it, one can make the point he has not rested players and it didn't turn out.
it's clearly the norm to play players in "meaningless" games for some reason that many of us don't know or understand because we are accountants, teachers, medical professionals, pilots, etc because every year it's rare for teams to rest their players.
yes logic says why risk it but clearly there is a significant reason the risk outweighs the reward. I suppose if a player needed rest due to injury (Dez) or burnout then we'd see them rested
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Footballguy
Everyone will have an opinion and defend their reasons based on their decision but in the end, if your point is "if they don't play, they can't get hurt or worn down" then that's pretty clear and that's the primary concern.
If your point is they might be rusty if they sit, then we can't prove it either way but I would put that on the coaches and not a guy that sits out or is limited a week or two. It's no different than when a guy like Tom Brady misses games to suspension or rob Gronkowski missed time to injury. It's just time and it's up to them to come back. At the end of the day, an injured player can't help a team. A guy who took a week or two off can. One might even argue getting valuable rest down the stretch would leave them fresher to do so. Isn't that kind of the logic behind the NFL bye? Getting that week of rest? So why not give them rest?
Like I said, either way, I'm not surprised but for a rookie and especially a rookie rb, I just can't imagine how jerry Jones can possibly justify the downside vs playing him. He gets hurt tonight seriously and the Cowboys just killed this season and part of next for the sake of gaining absolutely nothing.
tommyGunZ
Footballguy
Seems to me the most reasonable scenario would be for Zeke and the starters to play most of the game but perhaps get the reserves a few extra snaps during the game. Maybe not Dak, but most other positions rotate during the game, so just changing the ratios would provide some added safety w/o the completely disrupting the teams rhythm by out right benching guys.
Shutout
Footballguy
You would think but I would think Romo should be in there these last two weeks. I Mena, we are looking at this n a lot of ways and many of them are fantasy-biased but in reality, you've got this team in such a great spot but you are getting caught up in the hype if you ignore that the qb IS A ROOKIE and things are different in the playoffs. And your rb is a rookie and maybe he will hit the wall and maybe not, I don't know, but common sense would tell you rest is good and guys like DMAC and Romo and Morris might be needed in the playoffs. I would just like to see this team prepared, fresh, have depth, and be really prepared.
The nightmare scenario I see is Dak or elliot getting hurt or showing obvious issues in A playoff game and a cold, no reps Romo being thrust into it or something.
This is true, & what many who are saying "rest" mean. Not Zeke gets 1 series, them takes the rest night of the night off. Yet the "rust" side insists that getting 15-18 carries instead of 25+ carries will cause irreparable damage.
Of course, then you have the group who says because the game is meaningless, Dallas will run Zeke into the ground. Still don't understand the rationale behind that premise, though.
ILUVBEER99
Footballguy
Zeke = GOD
Interseptopus
Footballguy
lol
Mr.Pack
Footballguy
Ask every team that has sat players heading into the playoffs how that works out for them.
voiceofunreason
Footballguy
He's already done enough for me. I will say, I don't see them taking Zeke out as long as Dak is in. You have to protect your qb, physically and mentally, more than anything. They need a good game to keep building confidence. This isn't a team with a bunch of 10 year vets, experience is still very important for them.
Interseptopus
Footballguy
I thought they'd have Detroit better by now so I am hoping he plays the entire game
Hurl Bruce
Footballguy
Thanks Zeke, my favorite college player and best fantasy player, for getting me the points I needed tonight!
Interseptopus
Footballguy
well I was right... no 4th quarter. did amazing otherwise great game
Weebs210
Footballguy
Evilgrin 72
Distributor of Pain
I have a 2 point lead in my championship game. Elliott has exactly 80 rushing yards. We get 1 point per 20 yards and a 1 point bonus at 80.
If they change his stats overnight to 79 yards, that makes my game a tie. Tiebreaker is total yards gained and I'm behind by 13 yards. Meaning if they take a yard away, I lose the game and a $4,800 payday.
I joked Friday with the commission about all the excruciating ways I've come up just short in this league and I predicted that Hauschka would miss 2 PATs and I would lose by one. He missed one and now I could lose by 0.
If they change his stats overnight to 79 yards, that makes my game a tie. Tiebreaker is total yards gained and I'm behind by 13 yards. Meaning if they take a yard away, I lose the game and a $4,800 payday.
I joked Friday with the commission about all the excruciating ways I've come up just short in this league and I predicted that Hauschka would miss 2 PATs and I would lose by one. He missed one and now I could lose by 0.
Interseptopus
Footballguy
whatever dudeyou're right, I was way off. if you want to criticize I was wrong about 100 and a score fine I don't care. I was DEAD ON for how much he'd play, which was the point of this thread. of you want projections go talk to a FBG. it's clear you're just looking to be right, but you didn't make a prediction yourself so... I guess you were right. I'll even.let you get the last word since it means so much to you!
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Zeke had 13 touches; his fewest of the season. I can't think of a single poster who said Zeke wouldn't play; rather that he'd see less work. He saw less work, so yeah, a guy who said Zeke would see less work, can "take credit" because he got, well, LESS WORK!
Denver724
Footballguy
Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
I was told every RB would look the same behind Dallas OLine....
Crystalsteam99
Footballguy
You and me and about another 100,000 people were right, that didn't think he would play the entire game.Especially if they were up by a lot going into the 3rd/4th quarter..It's was ridiculous that people would even think that they would try and get him the Rookie Rushing record and have him play the entire game...He might play 1 or 2 quarters next week,that's it..
Neil Beaufort Zod
Footballguy
The "he won't play the whole game" people were right.
The "a fraction of Elliott is better than most starters" people were also right.
IMO, the only people who were wrong were the ones who thought the rookie rushing record was that important to the team. Sure, if it happens in game flow they'd be happy to nudge him toward it. But they're not going to game plan for it.
The "a fraction of Elliott is better than most starters" people were also right.
IMO, the only people who were wrong were the ones who thought the rookie rushing record was that important to the team. Sure, if it happens in game flow they'd be happy to nudge him toward it. But they're not going to game plan for it.
BigTex
Don't mess with Texas
This is true, I'm still hoping he gets it! 179 yards and he has it! Unlikely though!
Tex
