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Chicago Bears 2012 Offseason Thread (2 Viewers)
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benson_will_lead_the_way
Footballguy
QB coach is gone too
SmoovySmoov
The Way of the Samurai
I'M SO EXCITED THAT ANGELO IS GONE!!!!!!!!!!!! :skeet:
flapgreen
Footballguy
That would be good. I was shocked they let him go. Over a decade of success and they let him go after one bad season without Manning.
twistd
Footballguy
I'm glad to see Angelo gone. I don't mind them hanging on to Lovie, but I believe they kept Lovie because they didn't want to have to pay Lovie and another coach. Lovie has another year on his contract. My biggest fear is that they will promote Tim Ruskell to the GM post. Ruskell did a piss poor job in Seattle. I don't have the least bit of faith in him to improve the Bears front office.
I think Tice will be promoted to OC. I'm not sure how good of an OC he will be. But until the Bears get some talent at WR and TE, and upgrade their tackles, nothing much will change. At least with Tice I think Cutler won't be taking many seven step drops. So Cutler's chances of staying upright for a whole season will increase. But I don't see Tice exhibiting much creativity. So it could very well be back to the Bear offenses of the past when they throw the ball 20 times a game, run the ball 35 times, and hope to win with defense and special teams.
I think Tice will be promoted to OC. I'm not sure how good of an OC he will be. But until the Bears get some talent at WR and TE, and upgrade their tackles, nothing much will change. At least with Tice I think Cutler won't be taking many seven step drops. So Cutler's chances of staying upright for a whole season will increase. But I don't see Tice exhibiting much creativity. So it could very well be back to the Bear offenses of the past when they throw the ball 20 times a game, run the ball 35 times, and hope to win with defense and special teams.
flapgreen
Footballguy
Reggie McKenzie's name has been thrown around some, director of football operations for the Pack. Sadly, anything from the Pack can't be that bad. I'd rank him as number one on the list, and I see no reason why he wouldn't take a GM position if offered. He's a relatively young guy at 48 too.
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flapgreen
Footballguy
McCaskey says he's learned a lot from the other owners in town, but the Angelo decision was Phillips'
#Bears chairman Geo McCaskey said he wants to correct misperceptions that his fingerprints are on the Angelo firing "it was ted's decision"
#Bears Pres Ted Phillips said #Angelo was surprised by the firing and did not offer to resign
Phillips says botched trade with Ravens "wasn't one of our greatest moments."
Phillips said Lovie met w/Martz and they had "philosophical differences" and a departing of ways.
Phillips says the one restriction placed on GM candidate will be that Lovie Smith is head coach for 2012
Ted: "Every year is a must-win year. We've only been in the playoffs once in the last 5 years and that's not acceptable."
Phillips on Lovie's decision on Martz: "He decided today. That was Lovie's decision."
#Bears Tim Ruskell will serve as GM on interim basis, Phillips not eliminating anyone yet from job
Ted says he will not employ search firm to get a GM as he did last time to hire GM
Ted Phillips on coordinator: "That'll be Lovie's decision."
Ted: "Obviously, we want to do better in the early parts of the draft."
#Bears chairman Geo McCaskey said he wants to correct misperceptions that his fingerprints are on the Angelo firing "it was ted's decision"
#Bears Pres Ted Phillips said #Angelo was surprised by the firing and did not offer to resign
Phillips says botched trade with Ravens "wasn't one of our greatest moments."
Phillips said Lovie met w/Martz and they had "philosophical differences" and a departing of ways.
Phillips says the one restriction placed on GM candidate will be that Lovie Smith is head coach for 2012
Ted: "Every year is a must-win year. We've only been in the playoffs once in the last 5 years and that's not acceptable."
Phillips on Lovie's decision on Martz: "He decided today. That was Lovie's decision."
#Bears Tim Ruskell will serve as GM on interim basis, Phillips not eliminating anyone yet from job
Ted says he will not employ search firm to get a GM as he did last time to hire GM
Ted Phillips on coordinator: "That'll be Lovie's decision."
Ted: "Obviously, we want to do better in the early parts of the draft."
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flapgreen
Footballguy
Why in the hell is Lovie going to have involvement in the hiring of a new GM? Then, after a GM is hired, they will be forced to have him as a coach for one season. What kind of crap is that? They might as well hire Lovie as the GM. No one worth a damn is going to come here when they are having their hand forced the moment they walk in the door. More of the same old crap. 
twistd
Footballguy
I agree, keeping Lovie is one thing. Hiring a GM and not letting him hire his own coach is difficult. But involving Lovie in the hiring process is amateurish. For example, I don't think Bill Polian would consider a situation like this. When you have a number of other jobs open, where the GM is going to be able to hire his own people, the Bears drop to the bottom of the list. Just like they had difficulty hiring an OC when they hired Martz, I think the best candidates are going to be reluctant to come here. Firing Angelo was good, but the handling of all this, not so good.Why in the hell is Lovie going to have involvement in the hiring of a new GM? Then, after a GM is hired, they will be forced to have him as a coach for one season. What kind of crap is that? They might as well hire Lovie as the GM. No one worth a damn is going to come here when they are having their hand forced the moment they walk in the door. More of the same old crap.
flapgreen
Footballguy
DeCosta interviewing with the Rams. This is becoming eerily similar to when the Bears were looking for a coordinator last time and got stuck with Martz. Hopefully, they get into action soon and get one of these guys.
My guess is they promote Ruskell and Tice. That would be just like the Bears.
My guess is they promote Ruskell and Tice. That would be just like the Bears.
DoubleG
Footballguy
Tice I could actually live with. Ruskell on the other hand, would be a disaster (and possibly a step backwards from JA).'flapgreen said:DeCosta interviewing with the Rams. This is becoming eerily similar to when the Bears were looking for a coordinator last time and got stuck with Martz. Hopefully, they get into action soon and get one of these guys.My guess is they promote Ruskell and Tice. That would be just like the Bears.
I don't see keeping lovie as a big detractor for a gm. He is only under contract for 2 more years and could easily be fired next year. gms aren't like coaches, a bad year isn't going to get them fired. If anything, it will take some pressure off him for the first year. Not to mention, lovie seemd to be pretty respected throughout the nfl. I really doubt many gms will pass up the job just because of lovie.
RBM
Footballguy
This would be fantastic. Keep fingers crossed gb
flapgreen
Footballguy
This was reported wrong. He was granted permission by Baltimore today, but has not interviewed yet.
flapgreen
Footballguy
I don't think it's as much keeping Lovie as it is having your hand forced before you even walk in the door. What top GM candidate wants to be told they have to keep the current coach in place for one year? That's a very odd way of going about things. Also, if Lovie could easily be fired next year, why is he involved and sitting in on who gets hired as GM? That doesn't make much sense. Lovie's helping to hire his own boss who could fire him next season?
There are multiple GM jobs out there this year, all of which could be more enticing than the Bears if the other teams give the GM more control.I've always been a big Lovie supporter, but when is he going to be held accountable for the offensive woes? If what management is saying is true, Lovie has been the one hiring these duds. Angelo never wanted Martz, from my understanding. I just don't like how this entire situation is being handled.My wish would be to hire DeCosta, bring in Jeff Fisher and move on. If you're going to make a big change in management and move in a different direction, why not start from the bottom? I won't get into a discussion about Fisher, but he would be the perfect guy in Chicago. I'm sure he would jump on it in a heartbeat. He's a Chicago guy.eta: With that said, I'd be pumped if we landed DeCosta. The Ravens have been doing everything they could over the last few years to keep him.
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flapgreen
Footballguy
McKenzie is off the board. Signed by Raiders. There's one down.http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7430468/source-oakland-raiders-hire-reggie-mckenzie-green-bay-packers-gm
flapgreen
Footballguy
Sadly, I don't think there's much else they could do. No good coordinator in his right mind is going to come into a situation where there's already instability at the coaching and management levels. Who wants to walk into a situation where there's a good chance you could lose your job soon. Phillips eliminated any chance of getting a good OC when he said Lovie had to stay for one more year. Baffles the mind.
The Tick
Footballguy
And now it looks like we lost out on another good GM candidate, supposedly the Baltimore guy is "not leaving".
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Man, this franchise so badly needs a reboot. My wife and all my inlaws are Bears fans and even as a Packers fan I feel bad for you guys. You have some really nice players too. Just wasting Urlacher's career away. Mike Tice? Seriously? Why not go after Brad Childress if you are going to snag ex-head coaches? At least he had some offensive acumen.
I think it's a stretch to say that decosta is staying in baltimore because of anything the bears did/have done. As you stated above, there are a lot of openings. I think decosta staying in baltimore is more because he is happy there as the "future" gm of baltimore. It is too bad, he was my favorite for the bears job though.I still dont think that lovie is hurting the gm search, but you could be right.As far as tice goes, I like the move. He wont completely revamp the system, so it isnt a "start all over" move. he has done a great job with the line. I think getting a "passing coordinator" sounds funny, but sometimes thinking outside the box is the way to get ahead. At least they recognize tice's weakness and are trying to stifle it.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
I think it is silly to fire your GM but keep your coach. Green Bay did the same thing when Thompson was hired. He kept Sherman on for a year to "evaluate" him. Even gave him a contract extension. Then broomed his ###. Why not just bite the bullet. Its like bringing in a new coach and telling him to use the old playbook. I don't get it.
flapgreen
Footballguy
It may be a little bit of a stretch, but I think an organization like the Bears could draw him away with the right offer. Maybe Tice will be ok, but he's never been an offensive coordinator and I would think if he was some up and coming talent, he would've held the position years ago. Just seems like a typical "Bears" move and there will be more years of mediocrity ahead. I'm not optimistic that they will get a top GM candidate now. At times, it seems like they don't it, while the Packers and Lions organizations are taking off and leaving us. Call me an eternal pessimist but I don't see the gap closing anytime soon. Geez, in my entire life, I never thought the Bears would be playing catch up to the Lions.
scrumptrulescent
Footballguy
I wondered about that too. Maybe they're keeping Lovie (for now)for stability reasons. However the new GM will not have any ties to Lovie so, barring a great season, he's officially on the hotseat.
Widbil83
Footballguy
Was relly hoping to see Lovie gone also. I don't really mind him and think he is a decent coach, but if you're going to clean house why keep him around? Make little sense.
Not true about tice, he called plays as hc in minnesota for a while. And saying that no one wants him as an oc is a wrong also. 1. He was a head coach that has an offensive background, so minnesota trusted his offensive ideas, and 2. Someone (i think the titans) wanted to interview him to be their o. Coordinator last year and the bears blocked it. And yes, you are the eternal pessimist, which unfortunately has turned me into an eternal optimist...i guess i have to be a contrarian...On the gm front, if the bears hire Snead, I call it a win. It sounds like he is an up and coming gm with a knack for evaluating talent. I can't see how they could promote ruskell after stressing how important talent evaluation is, obviously with him having a part in it for years, the besrs have not done well there...'flapgreen said:
Power Monster
The Midnight Stalker
hmmmm the Bears seem to put more stock into the coaching staff than the team and the draft. This is starting to look like a clown car at the circus with this split OC nonsense. This team is going to be stuck in the 70s until the McDummy family moves on. I am tired of hearing about the tradition and watching these dummies make moves that make no sense. The Cubs of the NFL are in prime shape with this clan.
I'm not sure why people assume that having a "passing coordinator" is such a bad idea. Tice may be a run first guy, but he certainly threw the ball plenty in minnesota (see culpepper to moss). Having someone on the staff that is focused on the passing game may be great. Everyone says thats the key to winning, right? maybe it will work out, maybe it wont, but at least they are making a move to improve an obvious weakness.Also, tice acknowledged that the bears need a #1 wr, thats a big improvement on its own!
flapgreen
Footballguy
Firing the OC, promoting the OL coach to coordinator, and keeping the worst wrs coach in the league is the Bears way of "making a move", but not the rest of the league's. Lovie is on his third OC in four years and has gotten the Bears to the playoffs three times in eight years. Now, he's promoting the OL coach from a line that's given up more sacks than any team in the league over the last two years. Sorry but that doesn't sound like a recipie for success. 
They have already missed out on the top two candidates without so much as an interview. I hope I'm wrong but it wouldn't surprise me in the least if Ruskell is promoted. That would really surprise you? The Bears have been in large part a disappointment for over two decades for a reason, and it's not because we're unlucky.
They have already missed out on the top two candidates without so much as an interview. I hope I'm wrong but it wouldn't surprise me in the least if Ruskell is promoted. That would really surprise you? The Bears have been in large part a disappointment for over two decades for a reason, and it's not because we're unlucky.
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twistd
Footballguy
I always find this amusing. The Bears gave up a ton of sacks. The offensive line was poor most of the year, but yet everyone talks about how Tice does such a great job. Webb regressed as the season went along. Does his coach have some responsibility for that? Lance Louis was not very good at right tackle. Does his coach have some responsibility for that? It is interesting that the offensive line is weak, but everyone thinks that the coach does a great job.'D.J. said:
SmoovySmoov
The Way of the Samurai
If you are hiring a new GM, why in the hell would you go ahead and start making his decisions for him before he gets there? Makes no sense.
