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Chicago Bears 2012 Offseason Thread (1 Viewer)

Gimmie o line in the second, and a fast wr in the third.

Silatolu will be gone, so Ill take Osemele. Big mofo, road grater.

And in the third, Chris Givens please.

 
Some of the arguments here are really disingenuous. Look, we all get it. Drafting isn't an exact science. We ALL know that they can boom or bust. And you can bring up Leaf or Curry or Brady and say look, we don't know. However, there are draft grades and projections for a reason. Otherwise, that's like saying since Brady, a 7th round draft pick is a HOFer, why bother scouting? Just throw darts. It's not an exact science but chances are, a higher rated picks probably have a better chance of succeeding than lower rated ones.

But bottom line, the bears reached a little imo. And yes, it's only my opinion. He wasn't rated that high on the draft boards, and yes, GB wanted him. But GB wanted him at 28. If that's the case, why didn't the Bears trade down? With Reiff and DeCastro on the board still, I'm bummed.

Last year, I remember watching the games and be like..man...that fugging Oline. Rarely do I remember thinking...we need to upgrade that LB corp, or our Dline needs work. All I can get think of is how crap that Oline is. We could have really addressed some of those problems with those two picks.

Is McClellin going to be good? I don't know. If I had that kind of foresight, I'd play the lotto and not hang out with you guys, but regardless, it was a reach.

 
'Debeucci said:
Some of the arguments here are really disingenuous. Look, we all get it. Drafting isn't an exact science. We ALL know that they can boom or bust. And you can bring up Leaf or Curry or Brady and say look, we don't know. However, there are draft grades and projections for a reason. Otherwise, that's like saying since Brady, a 7th round draft pick is a HOFer, why bother scouting? Just throw darts. It's not an exact science but chances are, a higher rated picks probably have a better chance of succeeding than lower rated ones.But bottom line, the bears reached a little imo. And yes, it's only my opinion. He wasn't rated that high on the draft boards, and yes, GB wanted him. But GB wanted him at 28. If that's the case, why didn't the Bears trade down? With Reiff and DeCastro on the board still, I'm bummed.Last year, I remember watching the games and be like..man...that fugging Oline. Rarely do I remember thinking...we need to upgrade that LB corp, or our Dline needs work. All I can get think of is how crap that Oline is. We could have really addressed some of those problems with those two picks.Is McClellin going to be good? I don't know. If I had that kind of foresight, I'd play the lotto and not hang out with you guys, but regardless, it was a reach.
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I wanted Decastro...even though Guard is our strongest position on the OL. However, Chicago was tied for 19th in the league in sacks with 33. For a defensive system dependent on the front 4 generating pressure, that's a need.Peppers 11Melton 7Izzy 5Okoye 4Paea 2Losing Okoye hurts that production...but generating 5 sacks opposite a stud in Peppers is horrible. Get someone competent opposite Peppers and he gets 3-5 more sacks as well.
 
I agree with others that I am not upset with the player, but rather the pick. I would have felt the same way if they took a RB or QB with the #19 pick. (we have above average players at those positions)

As a fan, I can't help to think that about the train wreck that occurred last season after Cutler went down. If there are injuries on the OL or Cutler is hurt (due to poor line play), then Shea won't be enough to keep this team in the playoff race. (unless he can play QB or OL) #1 priority should be to keep Cutler healthy. Then address the other needs.

Also, you have to use past performance to estimate future results. Otherwise, teams would never cut players or sign free agents to big contracts.

 
Just stop for a second. The Bears just got a bigger Elvis Dumervil. If we were to have gotten Elvis in a trade you'd all be ecstatic. You just want to complain now. I'm happy as he11 with the pick!

 
'Vector said:
Just stop for a second. The Bears just got a bigger Elvis Dumervil. If we were to have gotten Elvis in a trade you'd all be ecstatic. You just want to complain now. I'm happy as he11 with the pick!
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And if we draft a QB in the 7th round, we will have the next Tom Brady. I'm pumped!!!
 
'Vector said:
Just stop for a second. The Bears just got a bigger Elvis Dumervil. If we were to have gotten Elvis in a trade you'd all be ecstatic. You just want to complain now. I'm happy as he11 with the pick!
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Where are you people getting these comparisons from?!?! So far I've heard Jared Allen, Von Miller, Clay Mathews and now Dumervil...Mayok compares him to Mike Vrabel. Which I totally see. A good football player, not a game changer.
 
'flapgreen said:
'Vector said:
Just stop for a second. The Bears just got a bigger Elvis Dumervil. If we were to have gotten Elvis in a trade you'd all be ecstatic. You just want to complain now. I'm happy as he11 with the pick!
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And if we draft a QB in the 7th round, we will have the next Tom Brady. I'm pumped!!!
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And if we have another whiney bear fan join football guys we'll get another flapgreen.
 
'Vector said:
'flapgreen said:
'Vector said:
Just stop for a second. The Bears just got a bigger Elvis Dumervil. If we were to have gotten Elvis in a trade you'd all be ecstatic. You just want to complain now. I'm happy as he11 with the pick!
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And if we draft a QB in the 7th round, we will have the next Tom Brady. I'm pumped!!!
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And if we have another whiney bear fan join football guys we'll get another flapgreen.
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Zing!
 
In second:

OL: Adams, Martin, Osemele, Massie, Glenn

WR: Randle, Jeffrey, Sanu, Hill

At least a couple of these guys should be available.

 
'benson_will_lead_the_way said:
'The Dude said:
I understand this is a forum and meant for people to offer their own opinions but you really have to trust that the Bears brass knows better than you - until they prove otherwise. I would have been more hyped as well if they chose Jones - that doesn't mean it was the right pick.
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I've been trying this approach for years...but in this thread people like to jump to conclusions.
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It was a "Jump to Conclusions" mat. You see, it would be this mat that you would put on the floor... and would have different CONCLUSIONS written on it that you could JUMP TO.
 
I get a feeling the Bears are going to take a DT at 50 Errr 45 (they traded while I was typing that post

 
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Hmm...I'm lukewarm on this guy. He's a TE masquerading as a WR. I'd rather have spent this pick on OLine if Stephen Hill was gone.

Couldn't the Bears trade up to pick Hill ahead of the Jets?

 
Just when I thought you couldn't get any dumber, you go out and do something like this.....AND TOTALLY REDEEM YOURSELF!!!!

In all seriousness, I absolutely love this pick for the Bears!

 
Doesn't matter if we can't address the Oline problem. Cutler could have Jerry Rice and Moss catching the ball, but it's not going to help if he gets smashed 3 steps into his 5 step drop.

 
Not the guy I would've taken, but they're addressing a position of need, so it's fine by me. They even traded up for wr, which shows they think it's still a huge position of need. Now OL in the 3rd, and we're cookin.

 
'Debeucci said:
Doesn't matter if we can't address the Oline problem. Cutler could have Jerry Rice and Moss catching the ball, but it's not going to help if he gets smashed 3 steps into his 5 step drop.
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If they don't attempt to address it somewhere, it will end up costing Lovie his job. They have to do something.
 
I like the JEffery pick. Now we have to wait another couple hours to see who is left in RD3. :thumbup:

Is it me or did the Lions just waste a second round pick?

 
'benson_will_lead_the_way said:
'Debeucci said:
Hmm...I'm lukewarm on this guy. He's a TE masquerading as a WR. I'd rather have spent this pick on OLine if Stephen Hill was gone.Couldn't the Bears trade up to pick Hill ahead of the Jets?
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Alshon Jeffery Pro day #'s:6'2 7/82154.4836.5 vertical4.17 short shuttle6.71 3 cone10'2 broad jump
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Problem is he wasn't 215 last season and there is no chance he was running a 4.48. The upside here is huge IMO but there were valid questions that dropped him to the 2nd. If Ashlon is ready out of the gate he could make Hester a very dangerous threat to defenses. Cutler has to be loving life right now.As far as Hill, I think he is a big version of Hester for at least a couple years. If he can transform into a dominant WR, I would be surprised. Jefferies on the other hand has everything you could want if he keeps it all together. I loved him in 2010 and he looked unstoppable in the SEC.
 
Thrilled they went WR but worried about a WR that has trouble getting seperation and isn't the cleanest route runner. Hopefully he puts the work in to stay at the right playing weight and improve his route tree.

 
'boubucarow said:
'benson_will_lead_the_way said:
'Debeucci said:
Hmm...I'm lukewarm on this guy. He's a TE masquerading as a WR. I'd rather have spent this pick on OLine if Stephen Hill was gone.Couldn't the Bears trade up to pick Hill ahead of the Jets?
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Alshon Jeffery Pro day #'s:6'2 7/82154.4836.5 vertical4.17 short shuttle6.71 3 cone10'2 broad jump
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Problem is he wasn't 215 last season and there is no chance he was running a 4.48. The upside here is huge IMO but there were valid questions that dropped him to the 2nd. If Ashlon is ready out of the gate he could make Hester a very dangerous threat to defenses. Cutler has to be loving life right now.As far as Hill, I think he is a big version of Hester for at least a couple years. If he can transform into a dominant WR, I would be surprised. Jefferies on the other hand has everything you could want if he keeps it all together. I loved him in 2010 and he looked unstoppable in the SEC.
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He thinks Jeffrey is the next Jerry Rice. Don't poke holes in his stats.
 
He actually reminds me more of Mike Williams...Seattle style, which worries me.

Big, heavy, little separation, minimal burst, not the best route runner.

 
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