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China's military buildup in the South China Sea (1 Viewer)

tom22406

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Pretty interesting flexing of the muscles that the Chinese have been doing with these artificially created islands they have laid claim to over the last few months and thought it might spark some good conversation here as to what exactly you think they are doing with all this movement.

Article here details some of the military actions they are doing

China’s military buildup in the South China Sea is 'beyond anything previously seen'



Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/australia-chinas-military-buildup-in-the-south-china-sea-is-beyond-anything-previously-seen-2015-6#ixzz3boYkJ57C
China’s rapid claim on contested islands in the South China Sea is beyond anything seen previously and raises legitimate questions about Beijing’s intentions in the region, the secretary of the Australian defence department, Dennis Richardson, said.

Richardson told a Senate estimates committee on Monday that the military buildup on China’s reclamation program in the South China Sea “dwarfs” what other nations in the region have done previously.

“The land reclamation activity by China in the South China Sea has been at a pace and scale in the last two years beyond anything we have previously seen. It dwarfs what the other claimant states have done, and the size of the land reclamation does raise questions about its purpose,” Richardson said.

China has reportedly started building up its military presence in the artificially created islands, in a region believed to be rich in oil and gas reserves.

Several countries have laid claim to the islands, situated just north of Brunei, and the naval corridor is an important shipping route for Australian vessels.

Labor has also raised concerns over mounting tension in the South China Sea and has urged the government to tread carefully.

The shadow foreign minister, Tanya Plibersek, told ABC radio: “Australia and our Asian neighbours in particular and others in the region have an expectation of being able to move freely now and in the future in this area.”

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She urged the government to take a softly-softly approach to China’s land reclamation program.

“It’s important that we continue to see freedom of movement in that area, particularly freedom of shipping, but making sure that we use language that calms the situation rather than inflames it is very important,” Plibersek said.

“Our contributions should be to ensure that tensions are de-escalated and understandings between the parties continue to improve.”

Plibersek’s comments followed those made by the defence minister, Kevin Andrews, who has voiced opposition to any move by China to militarise the disputed islands.

Andrews hit out at Beijing’s reclamation program during an Asian security summit in Singapore on Sunday.

“We remain concerned by any developments in the South and East China Sea which raise tensions in the region,” he told the summit. “Australia has made clear its opposition to any coercive or unilateral actions to change the status quo in the South and East China Sea. This includes any large-scale land reclamation activity by claimants in the South China Sea.

“We are particularly concerned at the prospect of militarisation of artificial structures,” he continued.

Andrews urged all the parties involved in the dispute – which include China, Malaysia, Brunei, Vietnam, Taiwan and the Philippines – to sign a code of conduct immediately, in a bid to ease tensions.

“Disputes must be resolved peacefully and Australia urges all parties to exercise restraint, halt all reclamation activities, refrain from provocative actions and take steps to ease tensions,” Andrews said. “Because when tensions are high, the risks of miscalculation resulting in conflict are very real.”

The opposition leader, Bill Shorten, echoed the defence minister’s call for multilateral cooperation.

“The only path to working out all these issues … is through international negotiation and discussion. There’s no other path to long-term peace than that,” Shorten said. “We’re all in this together.”

Labor has asked the Coalition for a briefing on the situation in the disputed region.

 
http://www.businessinsider.com/australia-chinas-military-buildup-in-the-south-china-sea-is-beyond-anything-previously-seen-2015-6
Another here

BEIJING — A Chinese admiral said Sunday that Beijing could set up an air defense zone above disputed areas of the South China Sea if it thought it was facing a large enough threat, according to Chinese news media.

Adm. Sun Jianguo, deputy chief of staff of the People’s Liberation Army, speaking at a regional security forum in Singapore, said that China had not definitely said it would create a so-called air defense identification zone, but that any decision would be based on an aerial threat assessment and the maritime security situation. He also said other nations should not overemphasize the issue.

The creation of an air defense zone would be viewed by the United States and Southeast Asian nations as a huge provocation. In recent years, foreign officials have speculated whether one of Beijing’s next moves in the South China Sea would be to set up such a zone, which would further solidify China’s military presence in the waters.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/01/world/asia/china-says-it-could-set-up-air-defense-zone-in-south-china-sea.html?ref=todayspaper&_r=1
And another

China is gambling Obama doesn’t have will to respond to its massive land grab


By Michael Auslin
You may not have noticed, as ISIS expands its reach across Iraq and Russia fuels conflict in Ukraine, but the odds of an armed confrontation between the United States and China just dramatically increased.

 
After years of ignoring China’s growing assertiveness in Asia, the Obama administration has been taken unaware by a major land and power grab by Beijing.

Over the past several years, China has steadily expanded its territorial ambitions, including a claim that the entire South China Sea is under its dominion.

The sea is one of the world’s most strategic bodies of water. It contains crucial sea lanes, such as the Malacca Strait, through which nearly 70,000 ships transit each year.

In the middle of the South China Sea is a loose chain of islets, shoals and reefs called the Spratly Islands. They are claimed by almost every nation in the region, including Taiwan, Vietnam, the Philippines, Malaysia and, of course, China.

 
The rich fishing waters surrounding the Spratlys have been in contention for decades. The Philippines often have complained to the US — in vain — that powerful Chinese maritime patrol vessels have chased away their boats. Nor is this the only area in which China has thrown around its weight, having challenged Japanese control over the Senkaku Islands in the East China Sea.

Now the situation has escalated.

China has engaged in a massive reclamation project, dredging up sand and creating islands on shallow reefs. The US government estimates that up to 2,000 acres of new land has been built. On these “fantasy” islands, China is building airstrips and ports, erecting barracks and establishing radar systems. Guns and fighter jets are next.

Beijing is militarizing its new land and then claiming it as sovereign territory, demanding that other countries stay out of what was once international waters.

For years, Washington ignored treaty allies like the Philippines, which called it “a creeping invasion,” Instead, the Obama administration, like others before it, has bent over backward to try and improve relations with China, even inviting it to our biggest naval exercises.



 



Much like the supposed Russian “reset,” that goodwill has been spurned.

Secretary of Defense Ash Carter last week publicly rebuked Beijing, demanding that it stop its reclamation activities and warning China that is isolating itself in the eyes of the world community. More concretely, Carter and other officials have stated that the US will ignore China’s claims and will fly military planes over the islands’ airspace and will sail within the 12-mile limit claimed by China.

Though no US ships have yet ventured inside that ring, the line has been drawn.

 
For its part, Beijing is not backing down. Indeed, not only have Chinese officials criticized Washington’s response, a state run newspaper, The Global Times, warned that a “US-China war is inevitable,” if Washington tries to force China to halt its activities. Official Chinese military doctrine is also ominously changing to reflect the new reality, stating that Beijing’s forces will no longer focus solely on territorial defense, but will project power far beyond its borders.

 
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All it would take is one hotheaded action by a Chinese fighter pilot to ignite an armed confrontation between the two sides. Unlike during the Cold War days, when Moscow and Washington established important crisis-management mechanisms, there are almost no working relations of trust between China and the United States. It is not assured that an accident or encounter could be prevented from spiraling out of control.

Yet neither side seems willing to back down. The US is being challenged again as a paper tiger, and if it fails to follow through on its promise to sail through the Spratlys, its Asian allies will wonder how strong America’s security commitments really are.

For Beijing, the stakes are just as high. Failing to assert its control over the waters it now claims will expose it as a geopolitical fraud. This will embolden other nations to similarly challenge China’s claims, and ironically possibly increase the likelihood of some type of military clash in Asia.

East Asia now stands close to a precipice. China figures the US is too distracted or uninterested to care about its expansion. They may be right.

http://nypost.com/2015/05/31/china-is-gambling-obama-doesnt-have-will-to-respond-to-its-massive-land-grab/
 
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Ashton Carter speaks out

US criticizes China’s South China Sea activities


US Defense Secretary Ashton Carter has openly criticised China’s territorial claims to the South China Sea, asking for an “immediate and lasting halt” to its land reclamation activities on Saturday.Speaking at the Shangri-La Dialogue in Singapore, an annual security gathering, Carter addressed top defense officials and experts from across the Asia Pacific and said China’s island building in the South China Sea was undermining security in the region, adding that he wants the “peaceful resolution of all disputes.”

Carter acknowledged that other countries with claims to the South China Sea had also built outposts in the Spratly Islands, but that their activity paled in comparison to the scope of Chinese involvement in the area.

“China has reclaimed over 2,000 acres, more than all other claimants combined … and China did so only in the last 18 months,” Carter said, adding “It’s unclear how much farther China will go. That is why this stretch of water has become the source of tension in the region and front-page news around the world.”

Carter expressed concern about the scale of China’s land reclamation and the possibility of further militarisation of the islands, warning that it would increase “the risk of miscalculation or conflict.”

“Turning an underwater rock into an airfield simply does not afford the rights of sovereignty or permit restrictions on international air or maritime transit,” he said.

Senior Col. Zhao Xiaozhuo, deputy director of the Center of China-America Defense Relations at the People’s Liberation Army’s Academy of Military Science, challenged Carter.

Calling China’s actions “reasonable and justified,” he questioned whether the US’ criticism of China will “help to resolve disputes” and maintain peace and stability in the region.

Carter said that the US presence will be a mainstay in the region, affirming “The United States will fly, sail, and operate wherever international law allows.”

On Friday, the US military confirmed they had known for a few weeks that China had artillery on one of the artificial islands on the South China Sea.

China downplayed the news and repeated its claim to the Spratly Islands, which it calls the Nansha Islands.

“It needs to be emphasised that the Nansha Islands is China’s territory, and China has every right to deploy on relevant islands and reefs necessary facilities for military defense,” China’s Washington embassy spokesman Zhu Haiquan said, before adding “However, the facilities on relevant islands and reefs are primarily for civilian purposes.”

In Beijing, China’s Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Hua Chunying said on Friday she was “not aware of [Chinese military presence on Spratly Islands]” and called on the US to “stop making any provocative remarks,” saying that not only are such remarks unhelpful with respect to resolving the controversies in the South China sea, but they will also “aggravate regional peace and stability.”

http://trtworld.com/news.php?q=asia-americas-us-criticizes-chinas-south-china-sea-activities-2195
 
 


Exclusive: China installs weapons systems on artificial islands - U.S. think tank


China appears to have installed weapons, including anti-aircraft and anti-missile systems, on all seven of the artificial islands it has built in the South China Sea, a U.S. think tank reported on Wednesday, citing new satellite imagery.

The Asia Maritime Transparency Initiative (AMTI) said its findings come despite statements by the Chinese leadership that Beijing has no intention to militarize the islands in the strategic trade route, where territory is claimed by several countries.

AMTI said it had been tracking construction of hexagonal structures on Fiery Cross, Mischief and Subi reefs in the Spratly Islands since June and July. China has already built military length airstrips on these islands.

"It now seems that these structures are an evolution of point-defense fortifications already constructed at China’s smaller facilities on Gaven, Hughes, Johnson, and Cuarteron reefs," it said citing images taken in November and made available to Reuters.

"This model has gone through another evolution at (the) much-larger bases on Fiery Cross, Subi and Mischief reefs."

Satellite images of Hughes and Gaven reefs showed what appeared to be anti-aircraft guns and what were likely to be close-in weapons systems (CIWS) to protect against cruise missile strikes, it said.

Images from Fiery Cross Reef showed towers that likely contained targeting radar, it said.

AMTI said covers had been installed on the towers at Fiery Cross, but the size of platforms on these and the covers suggested they concealed defense systems similar to those at the smaller reefs.

"These gun and probable CIWS emplacements show that Beijing is serious about defense of its artificial islands in case of an armed contingency in the South China Sea," it said.

"Among other things, they would be the last line of defense against cruise missiles launched by the United States or others against these soon-to-be-operational air bases."

AMTI director Greg Poling said AMTI had spent months trying to figure out what the purposes of the structures was.

"This is the first time that we're confident in saying they are anti-aircraft and CIWS emplacements. We did not know that they had systems this big and this advanced there," he told Reuters.

"This is militarization. The Chinese can argue that it's only for defensive purposes, but if you are building giant anti-aircraft gun and CIWS emplacements, it means that you are prepping for a future conflict.

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http://www.reuters.com/article/us-southchinasea-china-arms-exclusive-idUSKBN1431OK?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=Social

 
People may or may not realize but the Spratlys are pretty much square between the Philippines and Vietnam. It's basically a big fort in the middle of internationall shipping lanes.

 
We should pay them billions of dollars to remove the weapons.

 
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pretty sure COBRA did this exact thing in the old GI Joe comic books.
Thinking about it, Cobra was more of a terrorist organization.  When they made their island, they claimed it as their own sovereign state.  The corollary, I guess, would be AQ making an island and calling it Al-Quedastan.

 
Well we could rapidly melt glaciers and that will cause the sea levels to rise and these islands will be underwater in no time or we could somehow create an artificial earthquake in the middle of the ocean that will cause a tsunami that will completely flood these islands. 

 
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United States ready to confront Beijing on South China Sea - admiral


 



 







By Colin Packham | SYDNEY
The United States is ready to confront China should it continue its overreaching maritime claims in the South China Sea, the head of the U.S. Pacific fleet said on Wednesday, comments that threaten to escalate tensions between the two global rivals.

China claims most of the resource-rich South China Sea through which about $5 trillion in ship-borne trade passes every year. Neighbours Brunei, Malaysia, the Philippines, Taiwan and Vietnam also have claims.

The United States has called on China to respect the findings of the arbitration court in The Hague earlier this year which invalidated its vast territorial claims in the strategic waterway.





But Beijing continues to act in an "aggressive" manner, to which the United States stands ready to respond, Admiral Harry Harris, head of the U.S. Pacific Command, said in a speech in Sydney.





"We will not allow a shared domain to be closed down unilaterally no matter how many bases are built on artificial features in the South China Sea," he said. "We will cooperate when we can but we will be ready to confront when we must."

The comments threaten to stoke tensions between the United States and China, already heightened by President-elect Donald Trump's decision to accept a telephone call from Taiwan's president on Dec. 2 that prompted a diplomatic protest from Beijing.

Asked about Harris's remarks, Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Geng Shuang said the situation in the South China Sea was currently stable, thanks to the hard work of China and others in the region.

"We hope the United States can abide by its promises on not taking sides on the sovereignty dispute in the South China Sea, respect the efforts of countries in the region to maintain peace and stability in the South China Sea region and do more to promote peace and stability there," he told a daily news briefing.

The United States estimates Beijing has added more than 3,200 acres (1,300 hectares) of land on seven features in the South China Sea over the past three years, building runways, ports, aircraft hangars and communications equipment.

In response, the United States has conducted a series of freedom-of-navigation operations in the South China Sea, the latest of which came in October.

The patrols have angered Beijing, with a senior Chinese official in July warning the practice may end in "disaster".

Harris said it was a decision for the Australian government whether the U.S. ally should undertake its own freedom-of-navigation operations, but said the United States would continue with the practice.

"The U.S. fought its first war following our independence to ensure freedom of navigation," said Harris. "This is an enduring principle and one of the reasons our forces stand ready to fight tonight."

 
Courtjester said:
Well we could rapidly melt glaciers and that will cause the sea levels to rise and these islands will be underwater in no time or we could somehow create an artificial earthquake in the middle of the ocean that will cause a tsunami that will completely flood these islands. 
Going to have to ask Cheney where he stored the weather machine.

 
Well, at least Trump has not committed to a ground war in Asia...
Going to be really interesting to see how all this plays out once he gets in office but China is doing a bit of it's own sword rattling as well.

On Monday, China announced that future acts of cooperation would be jeopardized, should Trump continue down his current path.

“China expresses serious concern on this subject,” Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Geng Shuang told reporters, including representatives of NBC News. “If the [One China policy] is compromised or interfered with, any sound and steady development in China-U.S. relations and cooperation in various fields is out of the question.”

The Global Times, a Chinese state-run newspaper, delivered this message less diplomatically, deriding Trump’s behavior as very “childish and impulsive.”

“China needs to prepare enough ammunition for a roller-coaster ride of the China-U.S. relations with Trump,” the paper wrote in an editorial. “There are many other people in the world that also need to buckle up the seat belts …China and other powers in the world are not going to be bullied.”

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Grab the popcorn...........................

 
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Pentagon demands China return US underwater drone

"We call upon China to return our UUV immediately, and to comply with all of its obligations under international law," Pentagon press secretary Peter Cook said in a statement, using the abbreviation for "unmanned underwater vehicle."
In the latest encounter in international waters in the South China Sea region, the USNS Bowditch was sailing about 100 miles off the Philippine port at Subic Bay when the incident occurred, according to the official.
Bowditch had stopped in the water to pick up two underwater drones. At that point a Chinese naval ship that had been shadowing the Bowditch put a small boat into the water. That small boat came up alongside and the Chinese crew took one of the drones.

 
Chinese carrier enters South China Sea amid renewed tension


A group of Chinese warships led by the country's sole aircraft carrier entered the top half of the South China Sea on Monday after passing south of Taiwan, the self-ruled island's Defense Ministry said of what China has termed a routine exercise.

The move comes amid renewed tension over Taiwan, which Beijing claims as its own, ineligible for state-to-state relations, following U.S. President-elect Donald Trump's telephone call with the island's president that upset Beijing.

The Soviet-built Liaoning aircraft carrier has taken part in previous exercises, including some in the South China Sea, but China is years away from perfecting carrier operations similar to those the United States has practiced for decades.



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Taiwan's Defense Ministry said the carrier, accompanied by five vessels, passed southeast of the Pratas Islands, which are controlled by Taiwan, heading southwest.

The carrier group earlier passed 90 nautical miles south of Taiwan's southernmost point via the Bashi Channel, between Taiwan and the Philippines.

"Staying vigilant and flexible has always been the normal method of maintaining airspace security," said ministry spokesman Chen Chung-chi, declining to say whether Taiwan fighter jets were scrambled or if submarines had been deployed.

Chen said the ministry was continuing to "monitor and grasp the situation".

Senior Taiwan opposition Nationalist lawmaker Johnny Chiang said the Liaoning exercise was China's signal to the United States that it has broken through the "first island chain", an area that includes Japan's Ryukyu Islands and Taiwan. ...
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-defence-taiwan-idUSKBN14F061?utm_campaign=trueAnthem:+Trending+Content&utm_content=5861158004d301237e664a35&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=twitter

 
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More Chinese missiles bound for disputed islands


China has sent more surface-to-air missiles from the mainland to the South China Sea, and the U.S. intelligence community anticipates these new missiles will eventually go to some of China’s disputed territories for the first time, two U.S. officials tell Fox News.

The new missiles have been seen by American intelligence satellites on China’s provincial island province of Hainan. While Hainan is not part the disputed islands, officials say this location is “only temporary” and anticipate the missiles will be deployed soon to the contested Spratley Islands or Woody Island.

The two missile systems seen on Hainan island are known as the CSA-6b and HQ-9. The CSA-6b is a combined close-in missile system with a range of 10 miles and also contains anti-aircraft guns. The longer-range HQ-9 system has a range of 125 miles, and is roughly based on the Russian S-300 system. 

This latest deployment of Chinese military equipment comes days after the Chinese returned an unclassified underwater research drone in the South China Sea. The Pentagon accused a Chinese Navy ship of stealing the drone, over the objections of the American crew operating it in international waters to collect oceanographic data. 

The escalation comes weeks after President elect-Donald Trump received a congratulatory phone call from Taiwan’s president breaking decades-long “one-China” protocol and angering Beijing. ...
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2016/12/23/more-chinese-missiles-bound-for-disputed-islands.html?refresh=true

 
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A warning for Eastern Pacific


China's state-run Global Times media agency published an editorial on Christmas Day, timed to coincide with the aircraft carrier Liaoning's maneuvers.

The piece called on China to build up its fleet of aircraft carriers, make them combat ready, sail them to Eastern Pacific and look to set up naval supply bases in South America.

The Global Times also said the drill is a sign the Liaoning's combat capability has been enhanced and its areas of operation expanded, and could soon include the Eastern Pacific, including off the US West Coast.

"When China's aircraft carrier fleet appears in offshore areas of the US one day, it will trigger intense thinking about maritime rules.

"If the fleet is able to enter areas where the US has core interests, the situation when the US unilaterally imposes pressure on China will change," the Global Times said.

The editorial called on China to speed up construction of homemade aircraft carriers "so as to activate their combat."

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https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2016/12/27/asia/china-aircraft-carrier-pacific/index.html

 
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Julian Ku 古舉倫@julianku


John Bolton calls for rethinking One China policy, and stationing US military soldiers and assets in Taiwan!!!
It is high time to revisit the “one-China policy” and decide what America thinks it means, 45 years after the Shanghai Communiqué. Mr. Trump has said the policy is negotiable. Negotiation should not mean Washington gives and Beijing takes. We need strategically coherent priorities reflecting not 1972 but 2017, encompassing more than trade and monetary policy, and specifically including Taiwan. Let’s see how an increasingly belligerent China responds.

... America could enhance its East Asia military posture by increasing U.S. military sales to Taiwan and by again stationing military personnel and assets there, probably negotiating favorable financial terms.  ...
- John :censored: Bolton.

Unbfglievable.
 
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"Warning that Beijing's military bases in South China Sea are ready for use"

China has largely completed three major military bases in the South China Sea that have naval, air, radar and missile-defence facilities, according to a US thinktank.

“Beijing can now deploy military assets, including combat aircraft and mobile missile launchers, to the Spratly Islands at any time,” said the Asia Maritime Transparency Initiative (AMTI), part of Washington’s Center for Strategic and International Studies.

The thinktank published images taken this month of what it calls the “big three” island air bases – Subi, Mischief, and Fiery Cross reefs – which it has analysed via commercial high-resolution satellite imagery for two years.

“China’s three air bases in the Spratlys and another on Woody Island in the Paracels will allow Chinese military aircraft to operate over nearly the entire South China Sea,” AMTI said. “The same is true of China’s radar coverage.”

China denies it is militarising the South China Sea, which is thought to have significant oil and gas reserves and is a route for half of the world’s commercial shipping. The reclamation of the islands has also had a devastating impact on some of the world’s most biodiverse coral reefs.

Beijing asserts sovereignty over maritime areas that span 3.5m sq km but are also claimed by Vietnam, Taiwan, Malaysia, Brunei, the Philippines and Japan. China’s military build-up has become one of the US president Donald Trump’s most explosive foreign policy challenges.

Under Barack Obama’s administration, Washington claimed it was neutral on the question of sovereignty over the South China Sea islets, reefs and shoals, but also conducted regular air and naval patrols to assert its rights of passage.

But the US secretary of state, Rex Tillerson, said in January that the US should go further by blocking Chinese access to the islands. Last week the Chinese premier, Li Keqiang, said defence equipment had been placed on islands to maintain “freedom of navigation”.

Chinese warships frequently radio US aircraft in the region, warning them not to approach. And last month a Chinese military aircraft had an “unsafe” encounterwith a US navy surveillance aircraft over the area, the US Pacific command announced.

AMTI said China had installed HQ-9 surface-to-air missiles at one island as well as anti-ship cruise missiles. It had also built enough hangars for 72 combat aircraft and several larger bombers.

The group’s director, Greg Poling, said the images showed new radar antennas on Fiery Cross and Subi: “So look for deployments in the near future.”

 
Just to sum up - the world's most populated country is claiming more territory, with more resources and commercial routes,  building its military capability, has more and better technological resources, many of our own products are made there, owns quite a bit of US land,  and has one of the worst (if not the worst) treatment of its own people.  

Meanwhile, US politicians can't get a damn thing done, we have a rookie who has appeared to enjoy insulting foreigners including some of our allies heading the executive branch, including the military. most of our people are obese and care more about being entertained and their handouts than working.  

:tinfoilhat:

 
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