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Was very disappointed to see this.
He might be traded for a later round pick, the 2nd round tender was the only one they could give him except for the original round tender. Don't give up hope yet.
If they don't have any future plans for him, I really don't understand why they wouldn't make a trade now, get a pick for him, and then use one of their picks on a back in the draft. It would be a later-round pick, so they wouldn't have to pay the rookie nearly as much as they'll be paying Ivory. Keeping Ivory only makes sense to me if they get rid of Thomas.I feel bad for him (as bad as you can feel for a 25 year old that's going to make $2 million to play a game that I love), because he has run very well for them. He has done what they've asked of him, he runs like a beast, so they don't want to let him go, yet they don't give him a shot, either.
I expected them to do this. A lower tender would have given them nothing if he left. The benefits for the Saints is they get to see if he can stay healthy so they can re-sign him next or they might get lucky and have someone give a 2nd for him. Sproles is 30 and Thomas turns 29 at the end of the year so they need to figure out what to do at RB in the long-term. The biggest statement this makes is how they feel about Ingram. Unless he develops I don't think they have any intention on signing him after his contract is up.
Reach much??? You reach any further you may pull something. I can see how you could guess this may be one of the possible reasons for he Ivory tender, but Im pretty sure there are many more probable reasons. Will they release Thomas? They think they can trade Ivory? They are concerned about the age of Sproles and Thomas?To say "the biggest statement this makes" is a bit of a reach dont you think?
Perhaps it's a reach but it's not a good sign is it? I also thought they may cut Thomas, which if that happens is much better for Ingram. All I'm saying is you can't ignore the fact that they re-signed a RB very similar to Ingram when they are already deep at the position.
The Saints have a LOT of cash wrapped up in their running backs, are over the cap currently, and need to rebuild their defense with the scheme shift to a 3-4. I'm utterly shocked they tendered their current fourth string running back for $2 million given those things. Seemed it'd be likely that they'd tender him at level 2 (original round draft pick) and receive nothing in return despite the fact they wanted something in return. It seemed they were strapped. This doesn't make sense unless they're going to release a back or actually use Ivory next season.Maybe they're looking to get something for Ivory and will trade him for a lower pick, but I'm not sure many teams are going to be willing to deal a pick (even if it's a 4th) to sign a guy for $2 million. A team could easily draft a RB with a 4th (or even a third or second) and pay the back a fraction of that for several years. Seems unlikely this happens.I just don't get it.
I would say it isnt a good sign, but we have to wait and see before we know if it is a bad sign for Ingram. It will be interesting to see how this plays out. I have a hunch they were worried Ivory would be signed by Atlanta and didnt want a rival to have him. Of course this could result in Atlanta getting Jackson, so if my hunch is right I'm not sure it ends up making sense for NO.
It's a second round tender, so the Jets would have to part with their 2nd round pick, 39 overall, as stated in the report. I honestly don't see why Ivory isn't getting more looks. I would think that it would be more logical to swap a 2nd rounder for Ivory then spend a 1st on Lacy if you're a team like Denver or Green Bay
I believe you can still trade a RFA; so the Jets could offer a 4th rounder for him.
Until today Ivory had little value due to NO tagging him with that 2nd round tender and he still would've been 4th on the depth chart, which means that would've been the most expensive trade for a defense I've ever seen.
I don't think NO would've tagged him with a 2nd round tender if they were going to consider cutting him, he's RB insurance / trade bait... I think that they just didn't want to let him go for nothing knowing the type of talent that he possesses when he's actually on the field, they just can't carve out a role for him since his skillset is similar to Ingram's. Best for them to move him in a trade if there's interest instead of letting him walk for nothing when he's a UFA next season.
But wouldn't trading his rights land them a 2nd rd pick in compensation?I'm asking because I really don't know.It's always been my understanding that the RFA tag is typically used to help see what that players true market value might be... My assumption is that they knew if they tagged him at his ORIGINAL draft position he would get signed elsewhere and they'd get zero compensation so instead they tendered him with a 2nd rd designation in hopes that ONE team would offer him a contract that they could either match or let him walk and get the 2nd rd pick...This late in the game, however, it seems nobody is willing to part with a 2nd rd pick for him so rather then let him walk next year as an unrestricted free agent they have made it known that they want to trade him... So ivory "kinda" picks his destination by visiting with the jets and then waits for some sort of "agreement" from saints that if he signs his one yr tender they will trade him away most likely to the jetsI'm not sure what the pt of the RFA is if the above is not the case...So now that Dwyer signed his tender so quickly doesn't that mean that he is officially under contract and can't visit or be offered contracts from other teams... Had he NOT signed his tender its my understanding he could have shopped his wares like Emmanuel Sanders no?
Really? I've seen Defenses go for much more. De scoring in this league is bumped up a litte. I consider Ivory to be a better talent than Dwyer and Powell, and figured there was almost no chance either was starting at the start of the season. Also got Keller in the deal, but he was a FA at the time as well.
I'm pretty sure he would need to sign his tender before he could be traded. Until he signs what rights over him does NO possess? He'd sign knowing he was going to be traded with perhaps a longer term contract already worked out.
I don't believe this scenario plays out.
Saints would probably rather not trade Ivory to the Packers.
Yep... Can't hurt ya if he is playing for the Jets... I mean shoot Tebow may actually be their best qb right now and that's a scary thought
I hope the Saints keep him, then when he hits the market next year he can sign where he knows he can get the most playing time. That being said, this kid is as good as any rookie in the draft in my opinion. Seems a 4th is a good value
Hmmm, i read the article, you are correct. However the blurb from Rotoworld was it would take a 4th or better.
I know you'd like to think this, but that's not how it goes. If he hits the market, he will sign where he knows he can get the most money.
He's a 25-year-old scatback who was originally an UDFA and already has a long injury history. Do you really think he's going to look at this as anything other than his first, last, and best chance to get paid?
Yes, some people like to prove they can play in the NFL, he has not had is chance yet. Especially if he gets 2.3 mil just for signing his tender this year. Thats my opinion.
I guess at 6'0", 222, this makes him the largest scatback in the history of the NFL.
Yeah, sorry about that. I was crafting another post on my PDSL team and had LaMichael James stuck in my head.
