Chris Johnson 2012 (1 Viewer)

[Buckna]

Yeah. He's good again.

Bucs were #32 in overall defense and # 32 in rush defense last year. I wouldn't be making too much of a week 2 preseason stat line against the worst defense in football.

 

[VaTerp]

Yeah. He's good again.

Bucs were #32 in overall defense and # 32 in rush defense last year. I wouldn't be making too much of a week 2 preseason stat line against the worst defense in football.

But we should be making something out of 5 carries in week 1 of pre-season?I think that was Banger's point.

 

[Alex P Keaton]

I foolishly thought KellysHeroes was a young guy whose threads would get better....correlated to increasing maturity of the poster. This thread suggests my optimism was unwarranted.

 

[Banger]

Yeah. He's good again.

I wouldn't be so quick to judge, either way.

He's got talent and he's going to be their entire offense. He probably won't be 2010 cj but I don't think he'll be 2011 cj. I think he'll end up where he's being drafted... Top 4 or 5.

entire offense? He was very good last night, but come on . . .

I don't know why that's a stretch. Who else do they have? A bottom 5 qb, a knucklehead wr with some upside coming off a couple surgeries facing suspension and possibly an average TE. If this team is going to be successful the offense will run through him like it did 2 years ago.

 

[duaneok66]

Palmer wasnt there in 2010. They are a passing team. They will spread it out. No way does Johnson get 300 carries.

 

[Banger]

Yeah. He's good again.

Bucs were #32 in overall defense and # 32 in rush defense last year. I wouldn't be making too much of a week 2 preseason stat line against the worst defense in football.

. He ran for 2000 yards 2 years ago. He's not some schlub. Yes he had a good qtr vs a bad defense but he's very talented and last year was a wasted year. He didn't focus, wasn't in shape, missed camp and it hurt him. From all the reports he's looked good in camp, worked hard all offseason and is in great shape. If he were coming off an injury I might be more apprehensive but I think he's gonna be fine this year.

 

[Banger]

Palmer wasnt there in 2010. They are a passing team. They will spread it out. No way does Johnson get 300 carries.

He'll be close and he'll certainly get over 300 touches. Who's going to pass? Who are the receivers? Locker is projected as the 23rd qb with 19 Teds and 3200 yards. You are the first person I've heard call their offense a passing offense. Cj is by far the most talented player on the offense and it makes sense to use him and run it through him.

 

[duaneok66]

Palmer's history is to pass the ball. Their D is average (at best) and look who they drafted in the first round. Hasslebeck is eligible for AARP but he's better than Locker. They will be better in the air than you think.

 

[VaTerp]

Palmer wasnt there in 2010. They are a passing team. They will spread it out. No way does Johnson get 300 carries.

Dominick Davis or whatever the hell his name is/was had 300 carries in 15 games in 2004 with Palmer as the OC. Munchack of course is a former offensive lineman who wants to run the ball and it's not like Hasselbeck or Locker is Rogers, Brees, or Brady back there. 300 carries for Johnson is not a lock but to say "no way" he'll do it is way off base. In fact, I'd say if he's healthy all year it's pretty damn likely.

 

[Abraham]

The titans skill players are easily in the top half of the league. Washington, britt, cook, Johnson, Williams, and wright are plenty good. They have one of the five best lines in football. If whoever the qb is can avoid turning the ball over then there is no excuse for the team not to score a tom of points.

 

[Banger]

The titans skill players are easily in the top half of the league. Washington, britt, cook, Johnson, Williams, and wright are plenty good. They have one of the five best lines in football. If whoever the qb is can avoid turning the ball over then there is no excuse for the team not to score a tom of points.

Take Johnson out of that list and they don't have much. That was my point. They have no backs behind cj and their wrs are average at best as a group and their TE is average and qb is below average. Yes their line may be good and cj is good which is why I think they'll be more of a run team than a pass team.

 

[ImTheScientist]

The titans skill players are easily in the top half of the league. Washington, britt, cook, Johnson, Williams, and wright are plenty good. They have one of the five best lines in football. If whoever the qb is can avoid turning the ball over then there is no excuse for the team not to score a tom of points.

I don't agree with anything you said. CJ2K is the only elite player they have on offense.

 

[Abraham]

I'm not sure how you classify ther receivers as average at best. Washington and britt (add in "if healthy" caveat) would get plenty of run on most teams and cook is no slouch. Add in a First round receiver in wright and they are talented and deep.

 

[Abraham]

The titans skill players are easily in the top half of the league. Washington, britt, cook, Johnson, Williams, and wright are plenty good. They have one of the five best lines in football. If whoever the qb is can avoid turning the ball over then there is no excuse for the team not to score a tom of points.

I don't agree with anything you said. CJ2K is the only elite player they have on offense.

I missed the part where I called anyone (including Johnson) elite. I said they have talent all around on offense except at quarterback. You don't agree with my assessment of their Iine?

 

[duaneok66]

I'm not sure how you classify ther receivers as average at best. Washington and britt (add in "if healthy" caveat) would get plenty of run on most teams and cook is no slouch. Add in a First round receiver in wright and they are talented and deep.

Excellent post.

 

[Grady Wilson]

Yeah. He's good again.

Bucs were #32 in overall defense and # 32 in rush defense last year. I wouldn't be making too much of a week 2 preseason stat line against the worst defense in football.

Yeah, you pretty much missed the point of BAnger's post...

 

[Banger]

I'm not sure how you classify ther receivers as average at best. Washington and britt (add in "if healthy" caveat) would get plenty of run on most teams and cook is no slouch. Add in a First round receiver in wright and they are talented and deep.

As a receiving corp I'd probably rather have, Philly, Pitt, NO, GB, NE, TB, NYG, Dallas, HOU, KC, Detroit, Denver and prob Chicago, SF, Minn. there are teams worse but even on those teams some have elite options that TEnn doesn't like AJ Green, Steve Smith and Steve Johnson. They are right in the middle to me and that makes them average.

 

[Abraham]

I would disagree on some of those (like San Fran) but that would be needlessly slitting hairs. It seems like we agree that they are somewhere around the middle. A mid range group of receivers, a very good rb, and a top tier o line should be enough of a formula to move the ball and score a bit.

 

[Eminence]

There's just nothing about him that screams, "I need to draft this guy". Won't make it onto any of my teams this year unless he TUMBLES into the 2nd Round or I receive an offer for him. I will definitely buy him at a 2nd Round price next year though.

The Titans are a team in transition. They have a lot of pieces but I don't think Johnson produces an elite year this year. A matured Jake Locker lead huddle when the Offense has fully taken shape sounds deadly though.

Wouldn't touch him this year, won't 'win' you any games the way McFadden or Peterson would. Again, if he was available a round later I would be all over him.

 

[Banger]

I would disagree on some of those (like San Fran) but that would be needlessly slitting hairs. It seems like we agree that they are somewhere around the middle. A mid range group of receivers, a very good rb, and a top tier o line should be enough of a formula to move the ball and score a bit.

Agree that they should be able to score. btw always am interested in your knowledgable take when it comes to the Titans. Keep it up!!

 

[KellysHeroes]

Chris Johnson was held to 27 yards on 13 carries against the Cardinals in the third preseason game.

 

[Todem]

Chris Johnson was held to 27 yards on 13 carries against the Cardinals in the third preseason game.

With a guy like Chris Johnson....you give him 20 + touches......he is capable of breaking one of those for 70 yards and a TD.That is who he is. It is a matter of touches. The more he get's the more dangerous he is.While he did not look good last night.....people might be reading into this way too much. Yeah...last season he was not the same player.But I have seen great backs have putrid pre-seasons after putrid pre-season then do what they do when the games count.He will be fine.

 

[ShaHBucks]

Chris Johnson is a product of workload right now. He looks terrible and only seems to eat off of bad defenses. Jeff Fisher and Vince Young missing hurts hit value more than fantasy fans care to admit. I would shop him as hard as possible right now if I had him and avoid him in any upcoming drafts.

 

[ponchsox]

He looked like crap last night. If he doesn't have the explosive burst where he jukes behind the line and cuts it back for a 30 yards scamper, he is worthless.

 

[pantherclub]

Maybe it is just the preseason but he looked really timid and reluctant to take any hits last night.

 

[duaneok66]

you can't just say preseason when that was his MO all last year. Last week he was able to pop outside with some sick runs. Weeks 1 and 3 hid did very little inside and wasnt able to bounce anything.

 

[Grahamburn]

Time to panic.

 

[Tong Po]

Yah and last week he was BACK!!!... after scoring 2 touchdowns in the 1st half.

These boards are hilarious sometimes.

 

[Todem]

Yah and last week he was BACK!!!... after scoring 2 touchdowns in the 1st half. These boards are hilarious sometimes.

Yep....cracks me up. He all of sudden forgot how to play football.ITS PRE SEASON. HE HAS NOTHING TO PROVE.Staying healthy is the goal for him in pre-season...nothing else. He held out last year, lost focus, was not in top shape. This year I have little doubt we see a much better Chris Johnson. And if he has another lackluster year...then I will begin to doubt. But I don't panic based on games that have no meaning for clear cut starters like CJ. Would I be nervous taking him in the first round of a redraft this year? Yeah I can't deny I would due to last season and those memories still fresh. But he is a clear cut #1 workhorse and I see a lot of touches for him which will give him plenty of chances to explode for big plays and TD's.It is all about the neck up for Chris Johnson. Because he is in top condition and in the prime of his career. If his heart and mind are into it he is elite. We all know that.

 

[KellysHeroes]

Chris Johnson was held to 27 yards on 13 carries against the Cardinals in the third preseason game.

With a guy like Chris Johnson....you give him 20 + touches......he is capable of breaking one of those for 70 yards and a TD.That is who he is. It is a matter of touches. The more he get's the more dangerous he is.While he did not look good last night.....people might be reading into this way too much. Yeah...last season he was not the same player.But I have seen great backs have putrid pre-seasons after putrid pre-season then do what they do when the games count.He will be fine.

so if he just had one more touch, he would of broken it.

 

[Todem]

Chris Johnson was held to 27 yards on 13 carries against the Cardinals in the third preseason game.

With a guy like Chris Johnson....you give him 20 + touches......he is capable of breaking one of those for 70 yards and a TD.That is who he is. It is a matter of touches. The more he get's the more dangerous he is.While he did not look good last night.....people might be reading into this way too much. Yeah...last season he was not the same player.But I have seen great backs have putrid pre-seasons after putrid pre-season then do what they do when the games count.He will be fine.

so if he just had one more touch, he would of broken it.

Smart ###.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

anyone notice that Ringer was in on 3rd down alot too?

 

[VaTerp]

anyone notice that Ringer was in on 3rd down alot too?

I did. That and Locker's ineffectiveness on check downs/screens concern me much more than how CJ looked or his pre-season stat line. And for those looking at the stat line, here's what I posted in one of the other CJ threads on the first page of the SP:200925 carries 77 yards 3.1 ypc 0 TDs- Finished RB1, NFL record for yards from scrimmage201019 carries 39 yards 2.1 ypc 2 TDs- Finished RB5201228 carries 81 yards 2.9 upc 2 TDs- ??????

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

CJ is just too inconsistent to be drafted as a RB1.

Take a top end WR before you get CJ's inconsistency. He will drive fantasy owners crazy again all year.

He has lost that extra gear that used to make him great. He is still fast but not what he once was. He is now just a good NFL rb. His ppg will make him only draftable as a RB2 to me, but many are going to draft him as a RB1. He won't be on my teams this year because of that.

 

[LHUCKS]

I'm projecting a bounce back, particularly after Locker's performance tonight. If they can move the chains CJ will get his.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

CJ is just too inconsistent to be drafted as a RB1.Take a top end WR before you get CJ's inconsistency. He will drive fantasy owners crazy again all year. He has lost that extra gear that used to make him great. He is still fast but not what he once was. He is now just a good NFL rb. His ppg will make him only draftable as a RB2 to me, but many are going to draft him as a RB1. He won't be on my teams this year because of that.

there are not 12 guys better than him if healthy. He's a #1 by default, I do see people's concerns about this bad game last night

 

[duaneok66]

Chris Johnson, please pick up the white courtesy phone, Chris Johnson . . .

 

[farroki]

CJ750

 

[fruity pebbles]

Looks absolutely awful. Don't know where his speed and quickness have gone cause the pats r having zero trouble containing him.

 

[farroki]

CJ9

EDIT: CJ4

 

[Ketamine Dreams]

Can you be considered a bust 2 years in a row?

 

[Dentist]

wow, well i had a feeling i'd end up being a sucker even though he fell to the late 2nd round for me.. no one wanted him.. hell i didn't want him, but it just looked WAY too good in the late 2nd.

oh well, i got spiller late and if FJack is hurt he's a high quality player! Not all is lost.

 

[Dentist]

Can you be considered a bust 2 years in a row?

I think once you post a 2000 yard season in this league, and a couple other quality season, thus showing hall of fame level talent, that a drop off like this when you are at an age where you should still be in prime form will be considered a bust every year.Last year it was almost "explainable" but if this year is a frustration.. well forget it.The thing is... the guy will probably have 2-3 games this year where he goes nuts and gets an 80 yard run or something and has like 180 yards and 2-3 TD's... and in THOSE 2-3 games (one of which will inevitably be week 17) you'll remember the guy has game... and those 2-3 games will make his end of year stats look: "not as bad as you might think" but the guys who owned him and had to play him who suffered through the other 13-14 games of mediocrity

 

[rubrink]

Picked him in the 2nd as my RB2. Luckily I loaded up on RBs, I'll probably put Matthews in once he gets healthy (for a week ;-))

 

[farroki]

The minute he has one of "those games" I will trade him for anything, worst first round pick ever. What was I thinking?

 

[FavreCo]

Can you be considered a bust 2 years in a row?

All this guy ever was was a big play or 2 a game. If that doens't happen he is below mediocre.

 

[dickey moe]

double ughs

 

[Dentist]

The minute he has one of "those games" I will trade him for anything, worst first round pick ever. What was I thinking?

everyone in the world had him ranked in the top 8 RB's... it's ok.. we all fell for it.it's tough... what can a mere mortal do when all the experts have it wrong...

 

[FavreCo]

This guy is pure feast or famine and right now he is an ethiopian with flies buzzing around his head.

 

[Dentist]

This guy is pure feast or famine and right now he is an ethiopian with flies buzzing around his head.

how large do your balls need to be to cut him outright at this point.you know, to make a statement in your league and to rid the cancer from your roster