SameSongNDance
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Hold until Ivory goes down.
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Chris Johnson in the 5th Round? (1 Viewer)
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fred_1_15301
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Is Ivory the play in a PPR?
BroncoFreak_2K3
sucker for Orange
Kenny Powers
Footballguy
Im going to say I dropped Chris Johnson just so Insein likes my post
Insein
Footballguy
need2know
Footballguy
I have had CJ on my team three years in a row and I can't stand the guy. He sat there this year round after round until I had to take even though I didn't want to in the 8th round...I now very much regret the pick.
The guy had one good season because he is fast other than that he really is a bum of a running back.
The guy had one good season because he is fast other than that he really is a bum of a running back.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
A guy with four 1,200+ rushing seasons, six straight seasons of 1,400+ combined rush and rec yards, and a career YPC of 4.6 is a bum? Sure.
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blake
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Call me crazy but 4 1200 yard seasons isn't that great anymore. He has been the lone ball carrier on a team with a good oline for 7 seasons now. Look at his game logs for the last 3 years. If he breaks an 80 yard td he has great stats but if he is relied on to just move the pile his stats stink. He's not a guy I would be happy with on my team as a rb.
I have pasted his 2012 stats for example...edit to add that it doesn't come out as nicely as the link so feel free to look it up on NFL.com instead. He is incredibly inconsistent. It certainly is only my opinion but after watching NFL for 20+ years I just have never viewed him as a good rb. I think you could have put a lot of guys on those teams and they could have been just as good if not better given the carries
1 09/09
NE L 13-34 1 1 11 4 0.4 5 0 6 47 7.8 16 0 -- -- 2 09/16 @ SD L 10-38 1 1 8 17 2.1 7 0 2 11 5.5 12 0 -- -- 3 09/23 DET W 44-41 1 0 14 24 1.7 13 0 1 5 5.0 5 0 -- -- 4 09/30 @ HOU L 14-38 1 1 25 141 5.6 19 0 2 16 8.0 8 0 -- -- 5 10/07 @ MIN L 7-30 1 1 15 24 1.6 9 0 1 5 5.0 5 0 1 1 6 10/11 PIT W 26-23 1 1 19 91 4.8 13 0 4 23 5.8 12 0 -- -- 7 10/21 @ BUF W 35-34 1 1 18 195 10.8 83T 2 1 3 3.0 3 0 -- -- 8 10/28 IND L 13-19 1 1 21 99 4.7 14 0 2 18 9.0 11 0 -- -- 9 11/04 CHI L 20-51 1 1 16 141 8.8 80T 1 4 10 2.5 8 0 2 2 10 11/11 @ MIA W 37-3 1 1 23 126 5.5 21 1 1 8 8.0 8 0 -- -- 11 Bye -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- 12 11/25 @ JAC L 19-24 1 1 21 80 3.8 31 0 2 29 14.5 22 0 1 0 13 12/02 HOU L 10-24 1 1 13 51 3.9 26 0 4 20 5.0 7 0 1 1 14 12/09 @ IND L 23-27 1 1 19 44 2.3 8 0 3 15 5.0 9 0 -- -- 15 12/17 NYJ W 14-10 1 1 21 122 5.8 94T 1 -- -- -- -- -- -- -- 16 12/23 @ GB L 7-55 1 1 11 28 2.5 8 0 2 13 6.5 8 0 -- -- 17 12/30 JAC W 38-20 1 1 21 56 2.7 19 1 1 9 9.0 9 0 -- --
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The Titans have had some awesome OLs that blocked for him, so sure anyone could have run behind them. Not every year but some of them.
In reply to the bulk of your post, people have posted it here and all...he has one of the best "at this point" in his career in NFL history. 5,6 years in, 7 years in...whatever it is, he does deserve his due.
I've watched so many of his games and he drives me nuts. No one in NFL history, IMO, has ever had his ability to explode and "take off" for a TD. I don't see vision. I don't see moves. I don't see soooo much that we usually rave about with RBs, it's just that one time at one moment he flies. There's ADP fighting for four yards, brute strength in his legs for another 4, sweet move for 5 yards, taking a hit for 1, breaking a tackle for 11 yards and.....doing all this work while CJ flies for a 60 yard run. It's not the same at all. This is a major reason why I wouldn't put him in the hall (in the if I had a vote way we speak of it) if his career continues at this pace.
I can't stand him for FF but he is usually a good value on draft day and an easy trade after a big game so I often draft him.
This year I can't move him.
He's stunk the last two weeks and will very likely do well this week so he might be a sweet bye week cover for me. I will totally try and trade him if so.
As you can tell, I'm not his biggest fan, but statistically he really is among the best ever
Chaka
Footballguy
I think you should get a time out for that pasting job.Call me crazy but 4 1200 yard seasons isn't that great anymore. He has been the lone ball carrier on a team with a good oline for 7 seasons now. Look at his game logs for the last 3 years. If he breaks an 80 yard td he has great stats but if he is relied on to just move the pile his stats stink. He's not a guy I would be happy with on my team as a rb.
I have pasted his 2012 stats for example...edit to add that it doesn't come out as nicely as the link so feel free to look it up on NFL.com instead. He is incredibly inconsistent. It certainly is only my opinion but after watching NFL for 20+ years I just have never viewed him as a good rb. I think you could have put a lot of guys on those teams and they could have been just as good if not better given the carries
1 09/09
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
I immediately tried to trade him after that first game which was pretty good. No takers.
Keith Lewis
Footballguy
Insein
Footballguy
Keith Lewis
Footballguy
how's the coffee?We might need to remember this later...
Keith Lewis
Footballguy
SameSongNDance
Footballguy
Keith Lewis
Footballguy
Lots of blowhards whiffed bigtime on CJ.05k.
rockaction
Footballguy
You've been harping on this for a year and change now. It's certainly not an unwarranted opinion.
I hope you're right. But who says Powell isn't a better back than Johnson at this point in time?
I watched Powell run a lot last year. He actually looks better. Sucks to have finally drafted a guy I absolutely hate. I will never draft like I did this year again.
Chaka
Footballguy
Yes, you're a special little flower.
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SameSongNDance
Footballguy
I've owned CJ twice, once during that ridiculous 2009 season and once in 2012 where he was unbelievably frustrating to own. I've watched him a lot subsequently and what I've learned is that he's used volume, near 300 touches yearly, to mask declining abilities. Every year he's needed more and more to get going. I also believe he changed his running style in 2012, where he put on some weight and stopped shying away from contact. I think this change was him recognizing that he was loosing his breakaway speed. The thing is, I think he looks the same to me this year as he did last year (where he had a rushing long of 30 yards) and he still managed to stay fantasy relevant. If/when Ivory goes down I think he'll see enough touches to make himself flex worthy again. I would still think NYJ would remain run skewed. Powell's snaps/touches would increase, yeah, but so would CJ's, probably pushing him closer to the 15-18 touches a game range. They're averaging ~32 rushes per game as it stands.You've been harping on this for a year and change now. It's certainly not an unwarranted opinion.
I hope you're right. But who says Powell isn't a better back than Johnson at this point in time?
I watched Powell run a lot last year. He actually looks better. Sucks to have finally drafted a guy I absolutely hate. I will never draft like I did this year again.
If I'm a CJ owner (I'm not, I refused after all the past frustration), I want Rex to pump Ivory's touches up to 20 and wait for the inevitable. It is inevitable. Just look at it.
need2know
Footballguy
due to injuries and bye week issues, I may have to start ivory and Chris Johnson. God help me. But I do think at least one of them will hit on Pittsburgh's defense
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Rimez
Footballguy
I wouldnt read too far into cj getting more play time against kc, you cant bash it up the middle against them (where ivory really shines with yards after contact) so they were game planned for more speed on the field with vick and cj together. Ivory should go right back to getting the bulk of touches against pittsburgh.
Insein
Footballguy
SameSongNDance
Footballguy
CJ complained about his workload before the KC game. It came out a little before the KC game that Ivory and CJ would see a near even split. After his performance, I don't see why/how this will change.
Willie Neslon
Footballguy
I do agree with your post as the Chiefs are tough up the middle. They have not allowed a rushing TD this year. That said Kansas City is allowing more rushing yards per game (116.1) and more YPC (4.7) than Pittsburgh(102.8/4.4).
need2know
Footballguy
The Man With No Name
Footballguy
Starting him this week. A td would be nice
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