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I'm too young to know but the way I think the way rock n roll history history went was:

1. Beatles come out around 1963, most rock bands start copying the Beatles.  This lasts until.

2. Led Zeppelin I comes out in 1969.  They alter the landscape and most rock bands start copying Zep by 1971.

3. Van Halen drops in 1978.  Eddie's guitar playing and Roth's lyircs shake the landscape while Zep breaks up and most rock bands are copying VH's style by 1980.

4. 1986 comes along.  Roth is replaced by Hagar and Guns and Roses comes along with Appetite for Destruction.  The torch is passed and most rock bands copying GNR's style start coming out in force by 1988.

5. Out of nowhere, Nirvana drops Nevermind in 1991 and its like an atomic bomb, permanently altering the rock landscape.  GNR is instantly transformed into jurassic rock and most rock bands are copying Nirvana by 1993/1994.

6. In 1994, Kurt Cobain commits suicide and at the same time its the end of the Kings of Rock.  The rock scene permanently fragments into several different genres.  There is no king anymore.  You have christian rock, punk rock, progressive rock, jurassic rock, indie rock all sharing part of the mainstream.  None of them are able to break out the way they used to because no one rock group has the sort of universal access the old rock bands enjoyed, so the entire genre of rock suffers as a result.  The fragmentation allows rap to at least partially usurp rock as the music of the nation.  

Rock music today seems more defined by people purity testing each subgenre as to what is rock and what it not.  Meanwhile, rap is moving and evolving forward.   Makes me wonder if rock will survive another 25 years.

 
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Riversco said:
I'm too young to know but the way I think the way rock n roll history history went was:

1. Beatles come out around 1963, most rock bands start copying the Beatles.  This lasts until.

2. Led Zeppelin I comes out in 1969.  They alter the landscape and most rock bands start copying Zep by 1971.

3. Van Halen drops in 1978.  Eddie's guitar playing and Roth's lyircs shake the landscape while Zep breaks up and most rock bands are copying VH's style by 1980.

4. 1986 comes along.  Roth is replaced by Hagar and Guns and Roses comes along with Appetite for Destruction.  The torch is passed and most rock bands copying GNR's style start coming out in force by 1988.

5. Out of nowhere, Nirvana drops Nevermind in 1991 and its like an atomic bomb, permanently altering the rock landscape.  GNR is instantly transformed into jurassic rock and most rock bands are copying Nirvana by 1993/1994.

6. In 1994, Kurt Cobain commits suicide and at the same time its the end of the Kings of Rock.  The rock scene permanently fragments into several different genres.  There is no king anymore.  You have christian rock, punk rock, progressive rock, jurassic rock, indie rock all sharing part of the mainstream.  None of them are able to break out the way they used to because no one rock group has the sort of universal access the old rock bands enjoyed, so the entire genre of rock suffers as a result.  The fragmentation allows rap to at least partially usurp rock as the music of the nation.  
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Your history isn't bad except for missing the entire first generation of rock music. 

 
otb_lifer said:
.... and the gap between Zep and VH - Velvets, Stooges, Bowie, Pistols, Dolls, Ramones, etcetcetc
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as well as Black Sabbath, not to mention Deep Purple, Rolling Stones, AC/DC and other blues inspired bands that somehow disn't copy the Beatles, Led Zeppelin or Van Halen

 
otb_lifer said:
.... and the gap between Zep and VH - Velvets, Stooges, Bowie, Pistols, Dolls, Ramones, etcetcetc
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Yeah, definitely missed the whole punk scene and New Wave scene. What would we call Bowie, VU, etc? Original alt/indie rock? Really rock was already splitting in the 60s but I thought @Riversco did well if we just want to outline mainstream rock in very general terms but just missed the actual beginning of rock (Buddy Holly, Little Richard, Chuck Berry, etc.)  I used to teach a history of rock class, so I have spent too much time thinking about all of this. When did rock die? Cobain suicide? I speculate it was the emergence of Britney Spears. 

 
msommer said:
as well as Black Sabbath, not to mention Deep Purple, Rolling Stones, AC/DC and other blues inspired bands that somehow disn't copy the Beatles, Led Zeppelin or Van Halen
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Yeah, I think he should have said everyone copied either Beatles or Stones.

 
msommer said:
as well as Black Sabbath, not to mention Deep Purple, Rolling Stones, AC/DC and other blues inspired bands that somehow disn't copy the Beatles, Led Zeppelin or Van Halen
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sure, but i was aiming for the more 'alternative' stuff which helped influence tons of acts/artists that didn't fit into the 'classic' genre

 
Otis said:
Two covers?

no. 
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It's filler because there's not enough other that I'd rather have. Get In The Ring is cool but who knows what Kerrang magazine is anymore?

Take those two out and put three out from Lies then - Mama Kin, Patience, Used To Love Her.

 
rockaction said:
I also love My Michelle. To rate the top six (half of the tracks) from the Appetite For Destruction album, including and excluding songs that got played out for me (so that influences it...a great album has tracks that get played out) would go...

1) Rocket Queen 

2) My Michelle

3) Sweet Child O' Mine

4) Welcome To The Jungle 

5) It's So Easy

6) Mr. Brownstone 
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My Michelle would be one of the greatest rock and roll songs ever if they had fleshed out the chorus a bit more. Because the verses are ridiculously awesome. More for the music than the lyrics, but the lyrics certainly don't lessen it. But the chorus is cringe-worthy. It literally sounds like what people do when they're writing and they just mumble anything that comes to mind just to save the melody to revisit later when the words are there.

 
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Why don't you guys just make an album of all covers OH WAIT THEY ALREADY DID THAT AND IT WAS AWFUL

 
Apple Jack said:
My Michelle would be one of the greatest rock and roll songs ever if they had fleshed out the chorus a bit more. Because the verses are ridiculously awesome. More for the music than the lyrics, but the lyrics certainly don't lessen it. But the chorus is cringe-worthy. It literally sounds like what people do when they're writing and they just mumble anything that comes to mind just to save the melody to revisit later when the words are there.
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You mean "well-well-well/you never can tell" isn't mailed in or dearthly lacking creativity?

I love the riff and the verses. Great point, AJ. 

 
rockaction said:
You mean "well-well-well/you never can tell" isn't mailed in or dearthly lacking creativity?

I love the riff and the verses. Great point, AJ. 
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Right? "Til then you better..." bam! That's them at the peak of their powers. Stones-caliber swagger with big balls swinging low.

 
Andy Dufresne said:
It's filler because there's not enough other that I'd rather have. Get In The Ring is cool but who knows what Kerrang magazine is anymore?

Take those two out and put three out from Lies then - Mama Kin, Patience, Used To Love Her.
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I listen to the Lies album lots more than both of the Illusions albums combined.  Lies is not great by any stretch but is not boring at least. 

 
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