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Wouldn't include Ballard or Benson on this list if I were doing it again today, but nice to get one right.
Doesn't appear it was for that much money? I would think Denver could easily match the offer.....
They'd only have about 14M in cap space left if they match that offer. And they still don't have a quarterback. I don't see how they can sign him unless they structure it so its backloaded, but I believe that the Broncos have to match the deal as is, so whatever money the Dolphins gave him for 2016 would apply to the Broncos as well. I'd bet that the 'phins made that contract a little more front loaded to prevent Broncos from matching.
If Elway thought CJA was worth it, he could easily re-do contracts for Clady and Ware to claw out some space. If more is needed, he could get Vons giant deal done but back-load it for more space this year. He could also cut the $4M punter.
Are you saying that his old offensive coordinator made his first big splash on the offensive side as a head coach in the league on a guy that is going to share time
When a team wins the Super Bowl, EVERY player believes it was because of themselves, and EVERY player thinks that they deserve to be paid twice as much.
Interesting. I see it as Miami doing the most idiotic thing in FA this year by signing a pedestrian RB to that kind of contract.
I agree with this 100%. I also agree the Colts won in free agency this year because they didn't participate, unlike last year when they wet the bed in free agency. (J)ust (A)nother (G)uy best summarizes Osweiler, Anderson, Jackson, and Trevathan. This is how teams win championships, they know when to spend and when not to. I only wish the Colts could do a better job of this. Grigson could learn from Elway IMO.
Pedestrian or not, he was worth 2.5m what the second round tender would have cost.
Sorry, but this is dumb (at least pertaining to CJA).
Let's not forget not all teams need to overspend in FA to get productivity out of the RB position. In fact, that's a model that's falling out of favor. MIA is behind the curve, sure, but Denver seems way ahead of it. CJA isn't worth $10 million, yet MIA is the one mismanaging money and draft picks, so it's no surprise they are the only ones willing to fork over $18 million.
I agree about not overspending on RB, but like I said, the question isn't if CJA is worth Miami's contract or if he is elite. It is if he is worth $2.5M. If Denver ends up spending an early draft pick or more money on an inferior talent, then not tendering CJA can be seen as nothing but a mistake.
I'm higher on CJA as a player than most and while CJA is closer to a JAG than a Hall of Famer, he is still a pretty damn good back. Lets not act like the Dolphins gave the guy a ton of money.. He got less AAV than a 30 year old Forte with a ton of miles. His newest deal represents about 3% of salary cap.
Of course. And all I'm saying is even if he's *worth* a certain amount or more based on another team's evaluation, doesn't mean Denver's evaluation is wrong. They've seen this kid up close for years. They know his strengths and weaknesses better than anyone. And if they felt a $2.4 million tender was too much, that's can't be ignored. Maybe their read on him is wrong and/or the value/worth of FA and draft options is wrong. But I give them benefit of knowing more than anyone about the kid.
Elway was absolutely trying to lowball CJA, he thought that the market would be a lot cooler on him and that he'd be able to save about $1M in cap savings. The fact they haven't said no tells you that they don't really feel he is not worth 2.4M
Not really. A lot of gamesmanship in this stuff, and there is no reason to clarify MIA's FA/cap situation for them earlier than they need to.
It wasn't gamesmanship, Elway was trying to squeeze a little cap relief out of the situation and got burned. Elway would love a redo on this.
That's the thing, it's highly unlikely any team would have even offered him a deal if he was a 2nd round tender.
It's not a homer perspective. It's common sense. He had to know other teams would be interested in a bell cow RB who has shown flashes and just helped Denver win a Super Bowl when all they have to do was beat $1.7 million per year with no risk of losing draft picks. Elway had to know C.J. would have suitors. He's not an idiot. He also knew that no one was likely to give up a second rounder for C.J. Put it all together, Elway didn't want C.J. back. Homerism? Um, no. Common sense.That's certainly one way to look at it.
No disrespect to Klis, who was also convinced that if Denver was close to Houston's offer, Os would stay put too, but I'll be shocked if Denver matches. If they wanted C.J., they'd have tendered him at $2.6 million.
He was trying to save $0.9M in a cap strapped year and got burned. He thought that with the abundance of talent in FA nobody would offer him more than a few million and now it will cost them a few extra million if....
Broncos will acquire Kaep and lose CJA, or not acquire Kaep and keep CJA
We can agree to disagree on his thought process, but nothing in my take on the situation is based on me being a homer. It's merely a different opinion on a very weird and seemingly idiotic series of events.
Apologies for the homer post, trying to be kinda funny. You have conceded that he is a bell-cow type back that helped lead them to a super bowl... I just can't imagine Elway thinking that's not worth 2M or ~1.5% of cap? Elway has shown to be a master of cap acrobatics, unfortunately he fell on his face on this one.
No worries. I think we both agree Elway screwed the pooch. I just can't imagine him risking exactly this situation to save a mere 0.9 million if he really wanted to keep C.J. But like you said, it's possible he severely underestimated the market, as he did for Malik and Brock. We'll see what happens.
No, teams in all sports routinely take the entire time they can because it puts the other team in a bind. If you're going to match, you do it at the last moment so the original team now lost out of 5 days of FA when they had their money all tied up. The only reason you wouldn't wait until the last moment is if you liked the other organization... Gase did just come from Denver, right?
I agree that there's not much to read in them not declining the offer after 1 day, but I also don't believe that if Elway truly was finished with CJA by not tendering (as was being argued) that he'd drag this out. Especially if they are still trying to land a starting QB. I could be naive on that, we'll see.
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