CJ Anderson (1 Viewer)

[profit]

Again, everyone keeps comparing this to the Montee Ball situation. Ball was not a top 3 back the previous 8 games before the 2014 draft as CJ was. Hell--- #1 RB in performance based scoring, above Murray for that matter.

CJ could end up being a bust, but these 2 players coming into their respective drafts were not comparable from a pre-draft forecast perspective.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

People crack me up when they crack up

 

[Zdravko]

Again, everyone keeps comparing this to the Montee Ball situation. Ball was not a top 3 back the previous 8 games before the 2014 draft as CJ was. Hell--- #1 RB in performance based scoring, above Murray for that matter.

CJ could end up being a bust, but these 2 players coming into their respective drafts were not comparable from a pre-draft forecast perspective.

If you were Gary Kubiak, after what you saw from both RBs and your line on Sunday, how would you split the touches? My guess is this just became a RBBC.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

some of you need to step away from the keyboard

take a DEEEEEEP breath

now get a grip...its a long season

 

[rockaction]

Toe injuries to running backs would worry me, and I think rightfully so.

We might see a lot of Hillman soon.

 

[Dan Lambskin]

Honestly if you took CJ Anderson before round 3 I don't feel the least bit sorry for you

Honestly I feel sorry for anyone that plays in a league where he would make it to round 3. Time to shed the diapers and try some big boy leagues lol.

Congrats on following the herd and drafting a 1st round bust

 

[Interseptopus]

Again, everyone keeps comparing this to the Montee Ball situation. Ball was not a top 3 back the previous 8 games before the 2014 draft as CJ was. Hell--- #1 RB in performance based scoring, above Murray for that matter.

CJ could end up being a bust, but these 2 players coming into their respective drafts were not comparable from a pre-draft forecast perspective.

Well, actually the previous season Ball did average like 5.8 ypc or sonething like that in the last 6-8 games. Might not have been a fantasy top back but in his limited touches he was putting up very exciting numbers.

These situations are closer than you might think. All I know is that not having a dog in the fight, it's great to watch

 

[FF Ninja]

I had th 7th pick in the 1st round, had a feeling CJ would be my top option but something didn't feel right - he never felt like he should be a top-10 pick. Nevertheless, I searched some sites and it seemed the consensus was that CJ was primed to be a top back in the league.

So be it. I took the plunge. CJ as my first pick.

Ugh. Knew he didn't deserve it. Should've gone WR first.

It's week 1. Take a step back.

For a top-10 pick, his best case scenario is RBBC in an offense with a back O-line and sub-par passing production. That's best case scenario. Worst case? Don't even wanna talk about it.

Again, take a step back. What you said isn't even true. If he gets healthy, he'll no more be in a RBBC than most any other bell cow. Very few RBs get more than 70% of the touches. Anderson should still get his lion's share and the goal line work. I'm looking to acquire him from people like you right now.

Hey I hope you're right - but what makes you so confident? I wasn't worried about the week 1 game (just ONE game after all) until we learned of CJ's toe injury. That could be very bad. And the O-line just looks awful as well.

His advanced statistics last year were freaking awesome. Hillman's were good and Ball's were mediocre at best. Don't get me wrong, I handcuffed him with Hillman in the only league I've got him in just because this should be such a fertile situation, but I don't expect to use Hillman unless CJ is out. If he's got a toe injury then I sure hope they let him heal, because when healthy he's clearly the best back on the roster. Even with the injury, people were saying the snap count was like 57-17 or something. He's still the bell cow.

And if you are worried about Peyton, remember that Kubiak was able to milk production out of noodle armed Schaub for years (and even Sage Rosenfels when Schaub was injured). This offense won't set records, but it'll move the ball. The best fantasy RBs rarely play with elite fantasy QBs.

 

[mr roboto]

I had th 7th pick in the 1st round, had a feeling CJ would be my top option but something didn't feel right - he never felt like he should be a top-10 pick. Nevertheless, I searched some sites and it seemed the consensus was that CJ was primed to be a top back in the league.

So be it. I took the plunge. CJ as my first pick.

Ugh. Knew he didn't deserve it. Should've gone WR first.

It's week 1. Take a step back.

For a top-10 pick, his best case scenario is RBBC in an offense with a back O-line and sub-par passing production. That's best case scenario. Worst case? Don't even wanna talk about it.

Again, take a step back. What you said isn't even true. If he gets healthy, he'll no more be in a RBBC than most any other bell cow. Very few RBs get more than 70% of the touches. Anderson should still get his lion's share and the goal line work. I'm looking to acquire him from people like you right now.

Hey I hope you're right - but what makes you so confident? I wasn't worried about the week 1 game (just ONE game after all) until we learned of CJ's toe injury. That could be very bad. And the O-line just looks awful as well.

His advanced statistics last year were freaking awesome. Hillman's were good and Ball's were mediocre at best. Don't get me wrong, I handcuffed him with Hillman in the only league I've got him in just because this should be such a fertile situation, but I don't expect to use Hillman unless CJ is out. If he's got a toe injury then I sure hope they let him heal, because when healthy he's clearly the best back on the roster. Even with the injury, people were saying the snap count was like 57-17 or something. He's still the bell cow.

And if you are worried about Peyton, remember that Kubiak was able to milk production out of noodle armed Schaub for years (and even Sage Rosenfels when Schaub was injured). This offense won't set records, but it'll move the ball. The best fantasy RBs rarely play with elite fantasy QBs.

I wouldn't say rarely. Bell and Lacy have decent QBs. I would say 'the best fantasy RBs don't necessarily need elite QBs.'

 

[FF Ninja]

I had th 7th pick in the 1st round, had a feeling CJ would be my top option but something didn't feel right - he never felt like he should be a top-10 pick. Nevertheless, I searched some sites and it seemed the consensus was that CJ was primed to be a top back in the league.

So be it. I took the plunge. CJ as my first pick.

Ugh. Knew he didn't deserve it. Should've gone WR first.

It's week 1. Take a step back.

For a top-10 pick, his best case scenario is RBBC in an offense with a back O-line and sub-par passing production. That's best case scenario. Worst case? Don't even wanna talk about it.

Again, take a step back. What you said isn't even true. If he gets healthy, he'll no more be in a RBBC than most any other bell cow. Very few RBs get more than 70% of the touches. Anderson should still get his lion's share and the goal line work. I'm looking to acquire him from people like you right now.

Hey I hope you're right - but what makes you so confident? I wasn't worried about the week 1 game (just ONE game after all) until we learned of CJ's toe injury. That could be very bad. And the O-line just looks awful as well.

His advanced statistics last year were freaking awesome. Hillman's were good and Ball's were mediocre at best. Don't get me wrong, I handcuffed him with Hillman in the only league I've got him in just because this should be such a fertile situation, but I don't expect to use Hillman unless CJ is out. If he's got a toe injury then I sure hope they let him heal, because when healthy he's clearly the best back on the roster. Even with the injury, people were saying the snap count was like 57-17 or something. He's still the bell cow.

And if you are worried about Peyton, remember that Kubiak was able to milk production out of noodle armed Schaub for years (and even Sage Rosenfels when Schaub was injured). This offense won't set records, but it'll move the ball. The best fantasy RBs rarely play with elite fantasy QBs.

I wouldn't say rarely. Bell and Lacy have decent QBs. I would say 'the best fantasy RBs don't necessarily need elite QBs.'

I think Chase Stuart had an article about this a couple years ago. Elite fantasy RBs are most likely to be paired with middle of the road fantasy QBs. Like low end QB1 or even QB2 guys. Like Trent Green and Priest Holmes or the early Drew Brees years with Tomlinson. It helps fantasy QBs and RBs coexist when you get a situation like Bell/Ben last year where the RB is elite because he's heavily involved in the passing game. Lacy's situation is unique because Rodgers is able to be an elite QB with so few passes. Plus, Lacy was a middle of the road RB1 last year. He played all 16 games and ended up RB6. CJA had an ADP of RB6, but I think most of us in this thread expect better than that.

I just ran a data dominator and the top 20 RB performances from 07-14 included only three top 10 QB finishes and only one was top 5. So yeah, the best fantasy RBs rarely play with elite fantasy QBs. Peyton just needs to keep the offense on the field and Kubiak will make Anderson a stud. Anderson just needs to stay healthy.

 

[sho nuff]

Again, everyone keeps comparing this to the Montee Ball situation. Ball was not a top 3 back the previous 8 games before the 2014 draft as CJ was. Hell--- #1 RB in performance based scoring, above Murray for that matter.

CJ could end up being a bust, but these 2 players coming into their respective drafts were not comparable from a pre-draft forecast perspective.

If you were Gary Kubiak, after what you saw from both RBs and your line on Sunday, how would you split the touches? My guess is this just became a RBBC.

If I am a head coach, I don't overreact after the first game of the season.

 

[Gottabesweet]

Any news on Tuesday's practice. All I'm seeing on is people arguing over him being useless or not.

 

[Dizzy]

Any news on Tuesday's practice. All I'm seeing on is people arguing over him being useless or not.

(Rotoworld) C.J. Anderson (toe, ankle) was upgraded to a limited practice Tuesday.

 

[SeanTaylor21]

I feel a little fortunate to be in a dynasty when it comes to CJ vs. those who are in redraft. Having owned Montee Ball, CJ, and Ronnie Hillman for the past 3 years I have been fortunate to be able to start whichever back of the group was getting the most touches.

While I understand there will be panic after how week 1 went, I also understand that he supposedly was already banged up, it was the Ravens, and it was only 1 week.

 

[zoonation]

Honestly if you took CJ Anderson before round 3 I don't feel the least bit sorry for you

Honestly I feel sorry for anyone that plays in a league where he would make it to round 3. Time to shed the diapers and try some big boy leagues lol.

Congrats on following the herd and drafting a 1st round bust

even if he is a bust your first statement is still ridiculous. but, you know that. i hope.

 

[Zdravko]

Again, everyone keeps comparing this to the Montee Ball situation. Ball was not a top 3 back the previous 8 games before the 2014 draft as CJ was. Hell--- #1 RB in performance based scoring, above Murray for that matter.

CJ could end up being a bust, but these 2 players coming into their respective drafts were not comparable from a pre-draft forecast perspective.

If you were Gary Kubiak, after what you saw from both RBs and your line on Sunday, how would you split the touches? My guess is this just became a RBBC.

If I am a head coach, I don't overreact after the first game of the season.

Disagree. Overreaction would be to give Hillman, say, 75% of the touches.

No one is talking about that. Hillman did look marginally better and Anderson is mildly banged up, so the normal adjustment to these real-life events is to increase Hillman's share somewhat. Not that big of a deal or drama from a head-coach's perspective. Only makes a difference for us, FF folks, who now start looking at this as more of an RBBC than it seemed.

 

[Dizzy]

Again, everyone keeps comparing this to the Montee Ball situation. Ball was not a top 3 back the previous 8 games before the 2014 draft as CJ was. Hell--- #1 RB in performance based scoring, above Murray for that matter.

CJ could end up being a bust, but these 2 players coming into their respective drafts were not comparable from a pre-draft forecast perspective.

If you were Gary Kubiak, after what you saw from both RBs and your line on Sunday, how would you split the touches? My guess is this just became a RBBC.

If I am a head coach, I don't overreact after the first game of the season.

Disagree. Overreaction would be to give Hillman, say, 75% of the touches.

No one is talking about that. Hillman did look marginally better and Anderson is mildly banged up, so the normal adjustment to these real-life events is to increase Hillman's share somewhat. Not that big of a deal or drama from a head-coach's perspective. Only makes a difference for us, FF folks, who now start looking at this as more of an RBBC than it seemed.

And why not? Just for argument sake lets say Denver goes 3 & out in KC (twice),.. Hillman gets his shot and the team rolls... the rest is history IMO.

Tremendous pressure on Denver to win it all this year by leaning on the running game. 40-50 TD passes were not in the plan, and it is highly likely that 2016 features a young/unproven QB (and all bets are off). I don't believe the staff would hesitate for a minute to switch feature backs (if they still have one in mind - which I question).

 

[sho nuff]

Again, everyone keeps comparing this to the Montee Ball situation. Ball was not a top 3 back the previous 8 games before the 2014 draft as CJ was. Hell--- #1 RB in performance based scoring, above Murray for that matter.

CJ could end up being a bust, but these 2 players coming into their respective drafts were not comparable from a pre-draft forecast perspective.

If you were Gary Kubiak, after what you saw from both RBs and your line on Sunday, how would you split the touches? My guess is this just became a RBBC.

If I am a head coach, I don't overreact after the first game of the season.

Disagree. Overreaction would be to give Hillman, say, 75% of the touches.

No one is talking about that. Hillman did look marginally better and Anderson is mildly banged up, so the normal adjustment to these real-life events is to increase Hillman's share somewhat. Not that big of a deal or drama from a head-coach's perspective. Only makes a difference for us, FF folks, who now start looking at this as more of an RBBC than it seemed.

Or again coaches are not worried as much about that.

How about these numbers for the first few weeks of last season.

12 carries for 34 yards

13 for 43

11 for 36

17 for 48

Should that back have lost a lot of carries going forward? Or should the Packers have stuck with Lacy like they did?

Coaches typically look at things far different than FF players and some (especially a proven coach like Kubiak) know not to panic.

 

[Gr00vus]

After this week, it seems like Denver will only have about 4 more potentially bad rushing match ups: week 6 vs. the Browns, week 10 vs. the Chiefs, week 12 vs. the Patriots, and (really unfortunately if we make it that far) week 16 vs. the Bengals (at least that one is in Denver).

On the flip side, I'm seeing a nice number of what look to be juicy match ups ahead: Vikings, Raiders x2, Packers, Colts, Bears, Chargers x2 (unfortunately one of those is week 17 though), and Steelers.

I'm not going to start thinking bust unless/until he looks really bad against the Lions in week 3. The Lions could be a tough run D too though, last week in San Diego they basically melted in the second half due to the heat. So I might not really panic unless he has a bad game vs. the Vikings in week 4.

 

[Shutout]

After this week, it seems like Denver will only have about 4 more potentially bad rushing match ups: week 6 vs. the Browns, week 10 vs. the Chiefs, week 12 vs. the Patriots, and (really unfortunately if we make it that far) week 16 vs. the Bengals (at least that one is in Denver).

On the flip side, I'm seeing a nice number of what look to be juicy match ups ahead: Vikings, Raiders x2, Packers, Colts, Bears, Chargers x2 (unfortunately one of those is week 17 though), and Steelers.

I'm not going to start thinking bust unless/until he looks really bad against the Lions in week 3. The Lions could be a tough run D too though, last week in San Diego they basically melted in the second half due to the heat. So I might not really panic unless he has a bad game vs. the Vikings in week 4.

The problem with that line of thinking is that those pass defenses, except for one, are sieves. Call it what we will: A good opportunity to get the QB right, a chance to get back to "what we do best", a statement to the league that Manning's not done yet, etc, etc, all those games will be good opportunities for manning to pad those stats a bit more...you know...IF he's the kind of guy to want to do that. And in 5 of those contests, the opponent might score well enough to MAKE them pass more and not just run through the other team.

On Anderson, I think this is going the way of people are going to be disappointed in him this year, relatively speaking. I said the same thing last year about Ball and in 2013 about Ball/Hillman. This Bronco Rb stuff isn't that fhard to figure out if you check your biases at the door.

With that being said, Don't freak out over a slow start and sell off. He still has value. Eddie Lacy started slow last year. It is a long season. Just don't expect for him to justify his draft slot.

 

[ex-ghost]

What kind of value does Juwan Thompson have in Denver?

 

[stbugs]

I would be willing to trade CJ for anything that upgrades me at any position including guys like David Johnson who may have some upside

That is ludicrous. Last year Baltimore was #3 in ypc and #4 in yards per game in rush defense. Trading your first round pick for a backup that the coach has said won't get more than he can handle as a rookie is crazy. This is assuming a redraft and even then it still might be crazy. I don't even own CJ and I would never do that trade. Upside doesn't get much higher than what CJ did in the second half of last year.

 

[cstu]

Disagree. Overreaction would be to give Hillman, say, 75% of the touches.

No one is talking about that. Hillman did look marginally better and Anderson is mildly banged up, so the normal adjustment to these real-life events is to increase Hillman's share somewhat. Not that big of a deal or drama from a head-coach's perspective. Only makes a difference for us, FF folks, who now start looking at this as more of an RBBC than it seemed.

And why not? Just for argument sake lets say Denver goes 3 & out in KC (twice),.. Hillman gets his shot and the team rolls... the rest is history IMO.

Tremendous pressure on Denver to win it all this year by leaning on the running game. 40-50 TD passes were not in the plan, and it is highly likely that 2016 features a young/unproven QB (and all bets are off). I don't believe the staff would hesitate for a minute to switch feature backs (if they still have one in mind - which I question).

Hillman isn't going to stand up to 75% of the touches for the next 15 games.

 

[stbugs]

Holy crap, I think I just unloaded him. Good luck rest of the way fellas.

Lambskin >

For what

CJ and Stafford for Eddie LacyThe real season starts soon cappy.

Forget my post above, if you were able to swing that trade you did well. Stafford is easily replaceable and I know CJ was never ranked ahead of Lacy in any draft rankings before week 1. I still would target CJ based on owners like you (not trying to insult you) to buy low. Trading Lacy for CJ (again Stafford is nothing) isn't buying low.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

What kind of value does Juwan Thompson have in Denver?

you dont think the water is already muddy enough?

 

[Dizzy]

Disagree. Overreaction would be to give Hillman, say, 75% of the touches.

No one is talking about that. Hillman did look marginally better and Anderson is mildly banged up, so the normal adjustment to these real-life events is to increase Hillman's share somewhat. Not that big of a deal or drama from a head-coach's perspective. Only makes a difference for us, FF folks, who now start looking at this as more of an RBBC than it seemed.

And why not? Just for argument sake lets say Denver goes 3 & out in KC (twice),.. Hillman gets his shot and the team rolls... the rest is history IMO.

Tremendous pressure on Denver to win it all this year by leaning on the running game. 40-50 TD passes were not in the plan, and it is highly likely that 2016 features a young/unproven QB (and all bets are off). I don't believe the staff would hesitate for a minute to switch feature backs (if they still have one in mind - which I question).

Hillman isn't going to stand up to 75% of the touches for the next 15 games.

Interesting, because the exact same things were being said about CJ Anderson when it was suggested that he was taking over bell cow duties after midway thru 2014.

CJ just popped up as questionable for tomorrow night after limited practice again today.

 

[Mile High]

Disagree. Overreaction would be to give Hillman, say, 75% of the touches.

No one is talking about that. Hillman did look marginally better and Anderson is mildly banged up, so the normal adjustment to these real-life events is to increase Hillman's share somewhat. Not that big of a deal or drama from a head-coach's perspective. Only makes a difference for us, FF folks, who now start looking at this as more of an RBBC than it seemed.

And why not? Just for argument sake lets say Denver goes 3 & out in KC (twice),.. Hillman gets his shot and the team rolls... the rest is history IMO.

Tremendous pressure on Denver to win it all this year by leaning on the running game. 40-50 TD passes were not in the plan, and it is highly likely that 2016 features a young/unproven QB (and all bets are off). I don't believe the staff would hesitate for a minute to switch feature backs (if they still have one in mind - which I question).

Hillman isn't going to stand up to 75% of the touches for the next 15 games.

Interesting, because the exact same things were being said about CJ Anderson when it was suggested that he was taking over bell cow duties after midway thru 2014.

CJ just popped up as questionable for tomorrow night after limited practice again today.

So will Hillman. Hillman has been injured at some point just about every year he has been in the league. Not sure where all this Hillman is about to take over is coming from,other then one run he sucked Sunday too. If Denver can't get their o-line problems fixed their entire offense takes a hit, no matter who is playing.

 

[Dizzy]

Disagree. Overreaction would be to give Hillman, say, 75% of the touches.

No one is talking about that. Hillman did look marginally better and Anderson is mildly banged up, so the normal adjustment to these real-life events is to increase Hillman's share somewhat. Not that big of a deal or drama from a head-coach's perspective. Only makes a difference for us, FF folks, who now start looking at this as more of an RBBC than it seemed.

And why not? Just for argument sake lets say Denver goes 3 & out in KC (twice),.. Hillman gets his shot and the team rolls... the rest is history IMO.

Tremendous pressure on Denver to win it all this year by leaning on the running game. 40-50 TD passes were not in the plan, and it is highly likely that 2016 features a young/unproven QB (and all bets are off). I don't believe the staff would hesitate for a minute to switch feature backs (if they still have one in mind - which I question).

Hillman isn't going to stand up to 75% of the touches for the next 15 games.

Interesting, because the exact same things were being said about CJ Anderson when it was suggested that he was taking over bell cow duties after midway thru 2014.

CJ just popped up as questionable for tomorrow night after limited practice again today.

So will Hillman. Hillman has been injured at some point just about every year he has been in the league. Not sure where all this Hillman is about to take over is coming from,other then one run he sucked Sunday too. If Denver can't get their o-line problems fixed their entire offense takes a hit, no matter who is playing.

Some call it speculation, kicking it around, that's all. Nobody's read on this is better than anyone else at this point.

 

[cloppbeast]

So will Hillman. Hillman has been injured at some point just about every year he has been in the league. Not sure where all this Hillman is about to take over is coming from,other then one run he sucked Sunday too. If Denver can't get their o-line problems fixed their entire offense takes a hit, no matter who is playing.

It's not so much that Hillman played way better, but rather Kubiak's willingness to give him the carries over CJ. Hillman got in only 17 snaps, carrying the ball on 12 of those plays. If Anderson got hurt, why did he get 85% of the passes?

Kubiak put in Hillman solely to carry the ball at Anderson's expense. Why, and will it continue? IDK.

 

[ex-ghost]

What kind of value does Juwan Thompson have in Denver?

you dont think the water is already muddy enough?

Let's murk it up a little more.

 

[steelwind]

"Has Ronnie Hillman quietly snagged the starting job?"

http://milehighsports.com/denver-broncos-rb-rankings-has-ronnie-hillman-quietly-snagged-the-starting-job/

 

[cstu]

"Has Ronnie Hillman quietly snagged the starting job?"

http://milehighsports.com/denver-broncos-rb-rankings-has-ronnie-hillman-quietly-snagged-the-starting-job/

In my league C.J. Anderson went for $59 ($200 budget) and I snagged Hillman for $2. Should Anderson have gone higher than Hillman? Probably, but the gap in preseason wasn’t much and it’s now officially closed. Hillman will be the starter the majority (if not the rest) of 2015.

Credibility = Zero

 

[Zdravko]

Again, everyone keeps comparing this to the Montee Ball situation. Ball was not a top 3 back the previous 8 games before the 2014 draft as CJ was. Hell--- #1 RB in performance based scoring, above Murray for that matter.

CJ could end up being a bust, but these 2 players coming into their respective drafts were not comparable from a pre-draft forecast perspective.

If you were Gary Kubiak, after what you saw from both RBs and your line on Sunday, how would you split the touches? My guess is this just became a RBBC.

If I am a head coach, I don't overreact after the first game of the season.

Disagree. Overreaction would be to give Hillman, say, 75% of the touches.

No one is talking about that. Hillman did look marginally better and Anderson is mildly banged up, so the normal adjustment to these real-life events is to increase Hillman's share somewhat. Not that big of a deal or drama from a head-coach's perspective. Only makes a difference for us, FF folks, who now start looking at this as more of an RBBC than it seemed.

Or again coaches are not worried as much about that.

How about these numbers for the first few weeks of last season.

12 carries for 34 yards

13 for 43

11 for 36

17 for 48

Should that back have lost a lot of carries going forward? Or should the Packers have stuck with Lacy like they did?

Coaches typically look at things far different than FF players and some (especially a proven coach like Kubiak) know not to panic.

This is silly. You cherry-picked a random example of a random stud RB who had a difficult sequence of games in the beginning of a season. It obviously doesn't prove anything. Did Starks outperform Lacy in those games? Did Lacy get hurt? No and no. So, not a comparable case and - even if it were - it would still prove nothing. Seriously weak argument.

I agree, Kubiak knows more than I do. For all I know, he might be seeing the next coming of Adrian Peterson in CJ Anderson's Week 1 performance. It is certainly possible - and you may be right - and he might stick Anderson in there for 90% of the snaps, as I am sure your FF lineup would appreciate that. Now, how likely do you think that is?

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

"Has Ronnie Hillman quietly snagged the starting job?"

http://milehighsports.com/denver-broncos-rb-rankings-has-ronnie-hillman-quietly-snagged-the-starting-job/

In my league C.J. Anderson went for $59 ($200 budget) and I snagged Hillman for $2. Should Anderson have gone higher than Hillman? Probably, but the gap in preseason wasn’t much and it’s now officially closed. Hillman will be the starter the majority (if not the rest) of 2015.

Credibility = Zero

A bit of a leap there.

1. Draft in auction redraft league, pick Hillman over CJA.

2. ???

3. Profit.

 

[red]

FWIW I'm starting Danny Woodhead over CJ Anderson this week...don't like the toe injury on a short week on the road in hostile rival territory. I'd like to see Peyton and the Oline prove something to me before I can put them in my lineup with confidence.

 

[stbugs]

Again, everyone keeps comparing this to the Montee Ball situation. Ball was not a top 3 back the previous 8 games before the 2014 draft as CJ was. Hell--- #1 RB in performance based scoring, above Murray for that matter.

CJ could end up being a bust, but these 2 players coming into their respective drafts were not comparable from a pre-draft forecast perspective.

If you were Gary Kubiak, after what you saw from both RBs and your line on Sunday, how would you split the touches? My guess is this just became a RBBC.

If I am a head coach, I don't overreact after the first game of the season.

Disagree. Overreaction would be to give Hillman, say, 75% of the touches.

No one is talking about that. Hillman did look marginally better and Anderson is mildly banged up, so the normal adjustment to these real-life events is to increase Hillman's share somewhat. Not that big of a deal or drama from a head-coach's perspective. Only makes a difference for us, FF folks, who now start looking at this as more of an RBBC than it seemed.

Or again coaches are not worried as much about that.

How about these numbers for the first few weeks of last season.

12 carries for 34 yards

13 for 43

11 for 36

17 for 48

Should that back have lost a lot of carries going forward? Or should the Packers have stuck with Lacy like they did?

Coaches typically look at things far different than FF players and some (especially a proven coach like Kubiak) know not to panic.

This is silly. You cherry-picked a random example of a random stud RB who had a difficult sequence of games in the beginning of a season. It obviously doesn't prove anything. Did Starks outperform Lacy in those games? Did Lacy get hurt? No and no. So, not a comparable case and - even if it were - it would still prove nothing. Seriously weak argument.

I agree, Kubiak knows more than I do. For all I know, he might be seeing the next coming of Adrian Peterson in CJ Anderson's Week 1 performance. It is certainly possible - and you may be right - and he might stick Anderson in there for 90% of the snaps, as I am sure your FF lineup would appreciate that. Now, how likely do you think that is?

Umm, was Baltimore not a difficult game for a RB? See my post above. LeVeon Bell was 21-79 in two games against them. Hill was 14-44. Foster had the most yards against them last year and was only 25-96. Throw in a patched up OL and Peyton not exactly lighting it up and I would say that was a difficult start.

Also, in case you don't remember there were a ton of folks in the Lacy thread at that point throwing dirt on his grave. Based on your TRich predictions last season I am thinking that if you think CJ is done, it might be worthwhile for me to look into acquiring him. He did well for me last year, but I don't have him yet on any teams.

 

[sho nuff]

Again, everyone keeps comparing this to the Montee Ball situation. Ball was not a top 3 back the previous 8 games before the 2014 draft as CJ was. Hell--- #1 RB in performance based scoring, above Murray for that matter.

CJ could end up being a bust, but these 2 players coming into their respective drafts were not comparable from a pre-draft forecast perspective.

If you were Gary Kubiak, after what you saw from both RBs and your line on Sunday, how would you split the touches? My guess is this just became a RBBC.

If I am a head coach, I don't overreact after the first game of the season.

Disagree. Overreaction would be to give Hillman, say, 75% of the touches.

No one is talking about that. Hillman did look marginally better and Anderson is mildly banged up, so the normal adjustment to these real-life events is to increase Hillman's share somewhat. Not that big of a deal or drama from a head-coach's perspective. Only makes a difference for us, FF folks, who now start looking at this as more of an RBBC than it seemed.

Or again coaches are not worried as much about that.

How about these numbers for the first few weeks of last season.

12 carries for 34 yards

13 for 43

11 for 36

17 for 48

Should that back have lost a lot of carries going forward? Or should the Packers have stuck with Lacy like they did?

Coaches typically look at things far different than FF players and some (especially a proven coach like Kubiak) know not to panic.

This is silly. You cherry-picked a random example of a random stud RB who had a difficult sequence of games in the beginning of a season. It obviously doesn't prove anything. Did Starks outperform Lacy in those games? Did Lacy get hurt? No and no. So, not a comparable case and - even if it were - it would still prove nothing. Seriously weak argument.

I agree, Kubiak knows more than I do. For all I know, he might be seeing the next coming of Adrian Peterson in CJ Anderson's Week 1 performance. It is certainly possible - and you may be right - and he might stick Anderson in there for 90% of the snaps, as I am sure your FF lineup would appreciate that. Now, how likely do you think that is?

I cherry-picked the beginning of a RBs year #2...who had a more proven back in Starks behind him. And those are the first games of the season...not cherry picked from during the season here and there...but actually his first games last year and the coaching staff didn't panic.

It proves a bit that teams don't think like FF players.

I don't recall claiming he will see 90% of the snaps...nor would I say that about almost any back out there right now.

Point was about teams being more patient than FF guys are.

 

[profit]

As a CJ owner I traded for Hillman a little while ago, gave the owner Blount. I am a little deep at RB, for the record, and Kubiak has given me far more over the years than Belichick has at RB.

This of course could end up being a 50/50 split, but I still think CJ will prevail. Better pass blocking alone could be the difference. And I think the passing game will improve, opening up the running game.

 

[LittlePhatty]

With all this negativity, I'm starting him with confidence. After all, we're usually more wrong than right here.

 

[ghostguy123]

I havent read any of this thread in a while. I can only imagine the crazy firestorm of negativity and the sky is falling and Hillman is Jesus.

Quick recap of the thread anyone?

 

[werdnoynek]

The snaps say alot. No one in the Denver offense looked good last week. Injury is concerning but doesn't seem like a story yet. No reason to bench him at this point IMO.

 

[Mile High]

I havent read any of this thread in a while. I can only imagine the crazy firestorm of negativity and the sky is falling and Hillman is Jesus.

Quick recap of the thread anyone?

crazy firestorm of negativity and the sky is falling and Hillman is Jesus.

 

[ghostguy123]

I figured as much

 

[Zdravko]

Again, everyone keeps comparing this to the Montee Ball situation. Ball was not a top 3 back the previous 8 games before the 2014 draft as CJ was. Hell--- #1 RB in performance based scoring, above Murray for that matter.

CJ could end up being a bust, but these 2 players coming into their respective drafts were not comparable from a pre-draft forecast perspective.

If you were Gary Kubiak, after what you saw from both RBs and your line on Sunday, how would you split the touches? My guess is this just became a RBBC.

If I am a head coach, I don't overreact after the first game of the season.

Disagree. Overreaction would be to give Hillman, say, 75% of the touches.

No one is talking about that. Hillman did look marginally better and Anderson is mildly banged up, so the normal adjustment to these real-life events is to increase Hillman's share somewhat. Not that big of a deal or drama from a head-coach's perspective. Only makes a difference for us, FF folks, who now start looking at this as more of an RBBC than it seemed.

Or again coaches are not worried as much about that.

How about these numbers for the first few weeks of last season.

12 carries for 34 yards

13 for 43

11 for 36

17 for 48

Should that back have lost a lot of carries going forward? Or should the Packers have stuck with Lacy like they did?

Coaches typically look at things far different than FF players and some (especially a proven coach like Kubiak) know not to panic.

This is silly. You cherry-picked a random example of a random stud RB who had a difficult sequence of games in the beginning of a season. It obviously doesn't prove anything. Did Starks outperform Lacy in those games? Did Lacy get hurt? No and no. So, not a comparable case and - even if it were - it would still prove nothing. Seriously weak argument.

I agree, Kubiak knows more than I do. For all I know, he might be seeing the next coming of Adrian Peterson in CJ Anderson's Week 1 performance. It is certainly possible - and you may be right - and he might stick Anderson in there for 90% of the snaps, as I am sure your FF lineup would appreciate that. Now, how likely do you think that is?

I cherry-picked the beginning of a RBs year #2...who had a more proven back in Starks behind him. And those are the first games of the season...not cherry picked from during the season here and there...but actually his first games last year and the coaching staff didn't panic.

It proves a bit that teams don't think like FF players.

I don't recall claiming he will see 90% of the snaps...nor would I say that about almost any back out there right now.

Point was about teams being more patient than FF guys are.

I did say you cherry-picked the beginning games of a season!

But anyway, I agree that coaches don't care about FF production and I obviously exaggerated on the 90%. Yet the point remains - this is looking like a much bigger RBBC today than 3 weeks ago when it was presumed CJ-all-the-way. Hard to ignore.

I actually am a believer in Anderson, think he is the superior all-around back, and think he will chair the committee. Hillman can't handle a lot, anyway. But - to the extent that one game against a good defensive unit should affect much - my expectations of his upside have been somewhat dampened.

What percentage of the touches do you see Anderson having tonight?

 

[FGITLOTR]

FWIW I'm starting Danny Woodhead over CJ Anderson this week...don't like the toe injury on a short week on the road in hostile rival territory. I'd like to see Peyton and the Oline prove something to me before I can put them in my lineup with confidence.

KC D is pretty stout as well

 

[TartanLion]

Starting Ivory and Martin over him this week. If he goes off on my bench I won't mind at least it'll be a good sign going forward.

 

[sho nuff]

How is it cherry picking to compare the beginning of the season for one back to the beginning of the season for another?

 

[bostonfred]

How is it cherry picking to compare the beginning of the season for one back to the beginning of the season for another?

Is the start of a season a meaningful sample size? Why not games 4-7?Did you look at other players who started slow the first few weeks?

Is there something specific about players who start out slow then get better as the year goes on? Like a big back who plays in the cold?

Is the competition behind the other slow starting players similar?

Did the coaching staff change recently?

Does the incumbent have a good college, draft, or nfl pedigree?

Was the incumbent brought in by the current regime?

Does the backup fit this system better than previous systems?

Has the head coach shown a willingness to change starting backs?

Has the head coach shown a willingness to start players who had a strong camp and/or nfl game performance?

Lots of differences between the situations for Lacy and Anderson

 

[sho nuff]

How is it cherry picking to compare the beginning of the season for one back to the beginning of the season for another?

Is the start of a season a meaningful sample size? Why not games 4-7?Did you look at other players who started slow the first few weeks?

Is there something specific about players who start out slow then get better as the year goes on? Like a big back who plays in the cold?

Is the competition behind the other slow starting players similar?

Did the coaching staff change recently?

Does the incumbent have a good college, draft, or nfl pedigree?

Was the incumbent brought in by the current regime?

Does the backup fit this system better than previous systems?

Has the head coach shown a willingness to change starting backs?

Has the head coach shown a willingness to start players who had a strong camp and/or nfl game performance?

Lots of differences between the situations for Lacy and Anderson

Weeks 4-7 will be relevant when CJ gets there this season. The point was about a slow start for a RB and coaches being far more patient.

I looked at the first one who came to mind. IF you want to find another back who performed as well as Lacy and CJ in their first year, only to start slow their second, I am all ears.

Sure...there are differences...the point remains about pateience. Coaches ahve it far more than FF players.

 

[cloppbeast]

Weeks 4-7 will be relevant when CJ gets there this season. The point was about a slow start for a RB and coaches being far more patient.
I looked at the first one who came to mind. IF you want to find another back who performed as well as Lacy and CJ in their first year, only to start slow their second, I am all ears.

Sure...there are differences...the point remains about pateience. Coaches ahve it far more than FF players.

How much patience did Kubiak have for Bernard Pierce last year?