Mr. Know-It-All
Footballguy
Other than a solid week 1 and a decent week 7, CJ didn't do much (or as much as I was expecting out of him considering a raw QB), so even if Booker is slightly above average it will be a huge upgrade.
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rjv
Footballguy
It is a upgrade but why would anyone think the situation has changed with CJ out? I'm guessing Kubs will operate in the same matter with Booker and Bibbs. A share of the load and somewhat the same % of carries.
skinsrule05
Footballguy
moleculo
Footballguy
rjv
Footballguy
We are all excited to see what he can do. We're all in the same boat making predictions with such a small sample set but that's about the best we can hope foe in FF where if you snooze you lose. Now that we've all scooped him up (or in your case been smart enough or lucky enough to draft him) what is your blind (small sample) prediction?
Update: FBG's guesstimates Booker at 144 points going forward to ROS which would put him at #5. If that happens then there will be quite a few happy sharks in this thread.
Interseptopus
Footballguy
don't show this to moleculo, his head might explode
I really think he finishes quite high if he stays healthy. that's more of a testament to how depleted the RB field is this year than his talent level, but I'll take it
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moleculo
Footballguy
that's a good question, and something I probably owe and answer on before this weeks games start.
Here are my thoughts:
- the coaches feel that CJA is better than Booker. We know this because CJA started all 7 games so far, and has a distinct lead in carry distribution.
- CJA was not in a 1:1 time share with Booker - closer to a 2:1. The most recent game we can glean intent - the TB game. Broncos were leading (and therefore wanted tl lean on the running game) and both backs were healthy - CJA had 19 attempts, Booker had 7. Hell, in every game except last weeks game (coincidentally, the game where CJ got hurt), CJA has over 2x as many carries as Booker had.
- If CJA > Booker and CJA got 2x as many carries as his back-up, why should we assume that Booker will get more than 2x as many carries as Bibbs/Thompson/Janovich? I think a more reasonable assumption is that Booker gets roughly the same number of carries that CJA had prior to his injury.
- I am still not a fan of the Broncos OL. They may improve with familiarity, but that's not really something that can be counted on. They have shown to not be healthy, and if (when) the tackles are hurt, the swing tackles are just...terrible. They are not the Dallas Cowboys.
In PPR, CJA finished as the #12 RB (which is roughly where he was drafted). That seems like a pretty fair appraisal for Booker at this point.
moleculo
Footballguy
I'll be ecstatic if it happens. I already told you - I own Booker in all 5 leagues and drafted and held in most.
I think it's a stretch to say the coaches like Anderson better. What the coaches have been saying all along is that they were working in booker in being a rookie and all. Anderson is a very competent starter but almost everything I have read has led me to believe this is booker's backfield come the end of this season or next year.
I make no predictions on how he will do
moleculo
Footballguy
do you think CJA started and had 2x as many carries as Booker simply because he's a veteran?
Yes I do...again everything i read said they were going to ease booker in and increasingly they have been saying that booker deserves more of the carries
that's a good question, and something I probably owe and answer on before this weeks games start.
Here are my thoughts:
Were the 3rd-5th RB's getting an increasing share and cutting into both CJA and Bookers share? I don't know but I'll just assume that they weren't. If they weren't then the coaches clearly believed that both CJA and Booker > RB's 3 through 5. How the coaches choose to use RB's 3-5 going forward is just an uneducated guess at this point but we do know that these guys weren't regarded the same as both CJA and Booker. Three options: 1. #3-5 RB's get less than Bookers old share (because they suck comparatively) , 2. #3-5 RB's get equal to Bookers old share (because the coaches want to use a lead back similar to how they started the season) or 3. RB's #3-5 get more than Bookers old share (because either Booker's not as good as CJA or the coaches don't think he can handle the beating that goes with a fuller load).
- the coaches feel that CJA is better than Booker. We know this because CJA started all 7 games so far, and has a distinct lead in carry distribution. I think the better way to describe this is that the coaches felt CJA was a better option than a learning Booker early in the season.
- CJA was not in a 1:1 time share with Booker - closer to a 2:1. The most recent game we can glean intent - the TB game. Broncos were leading (and therefore wanted tl lean on the running game) and both backs were healthy - CJA had 19 attempts, Booker had 7. Hell, in every game except last weeks game (coincidentally, the game where CJ got hurt), CJA has over 2x as many carries as Booker had. You have described the timeshare as the season began but not how it evolved where Booker was getting even touches and coaches announced that it would be a full split going forward.
- If CJA > Booker and CJA got 2x as many carries as his back-up, why should we assume that Booker will get more than 2x as many carries as Bibbs/Thompson/Janovich? I think a more reasonable assumption is that Booker gets roughly the same number of carries that CJA had prior to his injury. We can't assume that CJA>Booker. Coaches are less likely to trust rookies until they are able to work them in and they can prove themselves. The way the share was progressing you could make a case that Booker>CJA or else CJA wouldn't have been losing an increasing number of touches each game. I think the most logical assumption is that we don't know which one is better yet. Booker could be better but he hasn't carried as full a load consistently like CJA has so that is TBD.
If the opportunity is the same, and the talent isn't better, why should we assume that Booker will do better going forward than CJA did leading up to this point?
- I am still not a fan of the Broncos OL. They may improve with familiarity, but that's not really something that can be counted on. They have shown to not be healthy, and if (when) the tackles are hurt, the swing tackles are just...terrible. They are not the Dallas Cowboys.
In PPR, CJA finished as the #12 RB (which is roughly where he was drafted). That seems like a pretty fair appraisal for Booker at this point.
If Booker ends up as the #12 RB rest of season then that projection (according to FBG's) is for 130 points. 14 total points less than the #5 RB projection at 144 points. For fantasy purposes that is a difference of 14 points spread out over 9 remaining games (weeks 8-16) which is about 1.5 points difference per game. Fairly insignificant but we'll take every advantage we can get. Point being that at this point it doesn't matter if Booker finishes #5 or #12 because we've already won the RB lottery by having him.
Cheers to all who were lucky enough to draft or pick him up.
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Bracie Smathers
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Good news in#Broncoshttps://twitter.com/hashtag/Broncos?src=hash bye week RB CJ Anderson's knee healing ahead of schedule. Would love to see him as factor in playoffs @DenverChannel
http://www.profootballrumors.com/2016/11/extra-points-broncos-anderson-dolphins-branch-eagles-logan-vikings-forbath-lions
November 18th, 2016 at 9:33pm CST by Zach Links
Broncos running back C.J. Anderson is ahead of schedule in his recovery from a torn meniscus, tweets Troy Renck of Denver7. Anderson was placed on injured reserve in late October, but Denver could choose to designate him as their IR returner if it so chooses. Anderson must miss a minimum of eight games, meaning he could come back for important late-season divisional contests against the Chiefs and Raiders, then presumably stay on the roster for a potential playoff run.
Good news in
http://www.profootballrumors.com/2016/11/extra-points-broncos-anderson-dolphins-branch-eagles-logan-vikings-forbath-lions
November 18th, 2016 at 9:33pm CST by Zach Links
Broncos running back C.J. Anderson is ahead of schedule in his recovery from a torn meniscus, tweets Troy Renck of Denver7. Anderson was placed on injured reserve in late October, but Denver could choose to designate him as their IR returner if it so chooses. Anderson must miss a minimum of eight games, meaning he could come back for important late-season divisional contests against the Chiefs and Raiders, then presumably stay on the roster for a potential playoff run.
skinsrule05
Footballguy
Does that mean at best he could first return for FF championship week in an unknown split against one of the best defenses in the league?
BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
The NFL IR rules state that a player placed on injured reserve must be on the list for eight weeks before he can be placed on the active roster. He can begin practicing after six weeks.
So far, the Broncos are entering the fourth week with Anderson on IR.
If he truly is ahead of schedule, then he could start practicing during the same week that the Denver Broncos play the Jacksonville Jaguars and could be ready when the Broncos play either the New England Patriots or Kansas City Chiefs in Arrowhead.
So far, the Broncos are entering the fourth week with Anderson on IR.
If he truly is ahead of schedule, then he could start practicing during the same week that the Denver Broncos play the Jacksonville Jaguars and could be ready when the Broncos play either the New England Patriots or Kansas City Chiefs in Arrowhead.
I want to say he was ~RB11 when he went down with the knee injury last year and they signed a good OG from Dallas and spent a 1st round pick on (I could be mistaken here) the 1st OT of the draft. So if they improved the OL and find a little better passing game then I don't see why top 10 would be out of the question. Contrary to what nay-sayers will claim (via no data or misleading stats), the numbers show that when he's healthy, CJA is a very good RB. Not as good of a fantasy RB as his stretch with Manning, but still very good.
But on a cautionary note, I believe they are switching blocking schemes. It's very possible the new scheme fits Booker better than last year's scheme and it fits CJA worse. Not saying I expect that, but it's an ever present risk when a team is changing schemes.
I think CJ has top 15 potential. The Broncos are going to a power one gab blocking scheme which should be good. I've heard the QBs will be in shot gun more in McCoy's system which is not great for RBs. However, I think they will be throwing to RBs more. The line should be improved and so should the QB play. The Broncos should have better TEs, more depth at WR with Carlos Henderson and a much better return game. They have their stud FB healthy again..Andy Janovick.
I like CJ this year given his discount and what I believe will be a better offense. The Broncos have a brutal schedule though.
I like CJ this year given his discount and what I believe will be a better offense. The Broncos have a brutal schedule though.
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he's a beast. bulger2holt
Footballguy
Sell high
Everyone is a "sell high" candidate depending on the return. I view CJ as a top 10-15 RB on a weekly basis and a rock solid RB2. I drafted him as my RB3 so I'm happy right now.
I can see the selling high argument w/ the Bolles injury and Booker getting some touches soon
Booker sucked last year when he had his full-time opportunity. I carried both on my roster, and was salivating the moment CJ went down with an injury. He looked like he was still learning how to play football.
He wasn't good that is for sure. But he's a decent pass catcher and better in the zone blocking scheme so he could have some success.
Weebs210
Footballguy
CJ looks great right now. Booker will be fighting to give CJ a breather that is about it.
Zero wiggle, and played stupid. I'm not concerned about Booker. I could be wrong, for sure... but, right now, not concerned at all about Booker.
cloppbeast
Footballguy
I'm going to try to sell high, see what I can get.
1) Jamaal Charles > CJ Anderson: Charles deserved more than 9 carries and 1 target.
2) Bolles injury: So much room to run, doubtful to have such good blocking in any game the rest of the year.
3) Trevor Siemian: despite his one game stats, Siemian will not do well enough to keep defenses honest.
1) Jamaal Charles > CJ Anderson: Charles deserved more than 9 carries and 1 target.
2) Bolles injury: So much room to run, doubtful to have such good blocking in any game the rest of the year.
3) Trevor Siemian: despite his one game stats, Siemian will not do well enough to keep defenses honest.
Weebs210
Footballguy
bostonfred
Footballguy
I liked watching him get a bunch of early carries for over 5 ypc. He's not just a volume play.
I liked seeing him catch a touchdown pass where he had to make moves on his own to get the score.
I hated watching Anderson getting carries inside his own ten yard line in the late 4th quarter, but it's good news for how they see him. He's not only their workhorse, grind it out guy, he's the guy they trust not to fumble in that spot. Because once he got them to the ten, they took him right out.
He's a feature back. Enjoy him if you have him, and back him up if you can.
I liked seeing him catch a touchdown pass where he had to make moves on his own to get the score.
I hated watching Anderson getting carries inside his own ten yard line in the late 4th quarter, but it's good news for how they see him. He's not only their workhorse, grind it out guy, he's the guy they trust not to fumble in that spot. Because once he got them to the ten, they took him right out.
He's a feature back. Enjoy him if you have him, and back him up if you can.
cloppbeast
Footballguy
I didn't refer to Charles' past performance (he has the highest YPC of all time). I watched the game and came to the conclusion that even at 31 he has a lot to offer.You realize it isn't 2011, don't you?
And also, not trying to talk trash about CJ's ability either. He's a grinder with good vision and power. With the o-line blocking very well for him he will put up great games, obviously. But, if the day comes when the Broncos need a running back to create things on his own, it's Charles not CJ.
Charles went off limping in the fourth quarter yesterday. Looked to be nothing serious. But there is no way Denver is going to over use him. He's made of crystal. But I do agree with you that he does offer something that CJ doesn't. I think he's going to be a nice complimentary piece and wouldn't be surprised to see him break off a 70 yarder sometime soon.
cloppbeast
Footballguy
Let's not forget CJ's injury history either. He's never carried more than 179 times in a season. After 2 games he leads the league with 45 carries, a pace of 360 over a full season. If I'm Denver, I also wouldn't be over using CJ either. After all they went and signed a talented back in the off season. I wouldn't say Charles has an opportunity to take over completely, but it wouldn't surprise me for him to get more carries in the future. The offense would benefit from their complementary styles. Charles still has it IMO, and threatens the defense in open space a lot more than stumpy. Just my
. And not to mention Booker's return could complicate things further.
I don't hate CJ as I own him in a few leagues. But he might not have higher value than he does now, so I just want to see what I can get for him.
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As a CJA owner, I want to ride the wave but I'm not opposed to hearing offers for him. I'm not sure what it would take to move him though. RB1s are hard to find and even if he settles in as an RB2, he is currently a work horse (rare) that you can confidently plug in as a 2 who could give you a 30 pt weak (even rarer). If you sold every player who was injury prone, you would have a roster that consists of only Jason Witten and Joe Thomas and some really odd league settings. Back him up with Charles, I'd sell if I was overwhelmed by an offer but in this current landscape, it would take a low end WR1 and an RB2 to pry him away from meLet's not forget CJ's injury history either. He's never carried more than 179 times in a season. After 2 games he leads the league with 45 carries, a pace of 360 over a full season. If I'm Denver, I also wouldn't be over using CJ either. After all they went and signed a talented back in the off season. I wouldn't say Charles has an opportunity to take over completely, but it wouldn't surprise me for him to get more carries in the future. The offense would benefit from their complementary styles. Charles still has it IMO, and threatens the defense in open space a lot more than stumpy. Just my
And not to mention Booker's return could complicate things further.
I don't hate CJ as I own him in a few leagues. But he might not have higher value than he does now, so I just want to see what I can get for him.
packer_junkie
Footballguy
Booker sucked as the lead dog but he was very very impressive as 1B to CJs 1A for the first 6-7 weeks last year. This thing could become a jumbled mess to keep Cj's carrys down.
Im not saying it will-- but it has a greater chance in Denver than say-- Green Bay or Kansas City.
Im not saying it will-- but it has a greater chance in Denver than say-- Green Bay or Kansas City.
Or the Broncos could not overthink things and just continue with what's working. Why fix what isn't broken.
packer_junkie
Footballguy
Insein
Footballguy
Because CJ has already carried the ball 25% as much as he did in the season he got the most carries of his pro or college career.
Irrelevant. Last time they were both healthy, Mike McCoy was not the OC and Vance Joseph was not the HC.
Weebs210
Footballguy
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