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CJ Anderson (3 Viewers)

Snorkelson said:
Queue, you’re both wrong.
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A cue is (1) a signal prompting an event or action, especially in a performance; and (2) the long stick used to strike the cue ball in billiards and pool. The word also works as a verb meaning give a cue. A queue is (1) a line of people waiting for something, and (2) a hair braid worn down the back of the neck. As a verb, queue means get in line or place in line. Both these homophones are often used with up—cue up meaning prepare [something] to start on cue, and queue up meaning get in line. 

 
Tool said:
A cue is (1) a signal prompting an event or action, especially in a performance; and (2) the long stick used to strike the cue ball in billiards and pool. The word also works as a verb meaning give a cue. A queue is (1) a line of people waiting for something, and (2) a hair braid worn down the back of the neck. As a verb, queue means get in line or place in line. Both these homophones are often used with up—cue up meaning prepare [something] to start on cue, and queue up meaning get in line. 
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You sound like a scot! Nyaw nyaw nyaw (this is snooty laugh, FYI)

Lots of fa backs that could move around, really have to wait and see if he actually gets released. If he stays in denver, will he repeat last years production?

 
Silver & Black said:
You guys are making this thread unreadable.  Maybe you can take the silly stuff elsewhere and we can get back to a meaningful discussion about CJ.

As an Anderson owner, I hope he goes somewhere where he can be the lead dog in a committee somewhere.  There are so few teams that have just  single bell cow anymore.  I don't think CJ is one of those guys, but can be very successful as part of a committee if he lands in the right spot. 
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From a fantasy perspective, I think there is a greater than 50% chance, that Anderson would be better served elsewhere. A lot of teams that would be in the market for RB's have better o-lines and higher TD potential than Denver. Anderson is never going to be a 50-catch guy, but in the right system, I think he could be a 10+ TD guy.

A team like Detroit for example, could be a very interesting fit. 

 
If the 49ers let hyde walk i could certainly see them bringing in anderson although why let hyde walk when the two are pretty interchangeable.  CJ might be cheaper on the market

 
bombjack said:
Anyone hearing any news on him? Better chance he sticks around DEN since they didn't have to shell out for Cousins?
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If they haven't released him yet, I'd guess the odds are he's more likely to stick since free agency has already started. I suppose they could try and trade him still, perhaps to Miami. Miami seems to make a ton of foolish moves so that could still happen.

 
Dr. Octopus said:
If they haven't released him yet, I'd guess the odds are he's more likely to stick since free agency has already started. I suppose they could try and trade him still, perhaps to Miami. Miami seems to make a ton of foolish moves so that could still happen.
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This seems likely.  They know he holds some value.

 
I could see them stringing CJ along until the draft, seeing how it shakes out, and then deciding to keep him or cut him loose.  They just don’t seem to have a lot of respect for Anderson.

 
Dr. Octopus said:
If they haven't released him yet, I'd guess the odds are he's more likely to stick since free agency has already started. I suppose they could try and trade him still, perhaps to Miami. Miami seems to make a ton of foolish moves so that could still happen.
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Why would that be foolish? I mean, they could probably get him for a very, very late pick. His salary is quite reasonable and there are only 2 years left on it. It would only be foolish if they paid too much or if you believe Drake is both (1) very good and (2) a true bellcow back. Because they have zero depth behind Drake - they technically have three guys, but I've never heard of any of them. 

 
FF Ninja said:
Why would that be foolish? I mean, they could probably get him for a very, very late pick. His salary is quite reasonable and there are only 2 years left on it. It would only be foolish if they paid too much or if you believe Drake is both (1) very good and (2) a true bellcow back. Because they have zero depth behind Drake - they technically have three guys, but I've never heard of any of them. 
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If it was late pick fine - It's not a reflection of Anderson necessarily, it's just that Miami should not be trading assets or using cap space on a veteran RB that isn't going to help that out all that much. There's a few veterans on the market that would be cheaper and wouldn't require a pick and then there's the draft. Mike Tannenbaum loves the splash move though.

 
Don't forget Miami signed Anderson to an offer sheet two years ago, only to be matched by Denver. Of course, that was two years ago and things obviously change - especially for the short lifespan of RBs.

 
Dr. Octopus said:
If it was late pick fine - It's not a reflection of Anderson necessarily, it's just that Miami should not be trading assets or using cap space on a veteran RB that isn't going to help that out all that much. There's a few veterans on the market that would be cheaper and wouldn't require a pick and then there's the draft. Mike Tannenbaum loves the splash move though.
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Man, I still can't believe they got anything for Landry, much less a 4th+7th. That was risky. Everybody knew they couldn't afford to keep him and the relationship had gotten sour.

But yeah, I hear ya - there are a ton of nice RB prospects, but Anderson is a nice safe player which would allow you to spend those draft picks on other positions of need. Positions that might cost a lot more than $4.5M/year in free agency.

 
Speaking at the NFL Owners Meetings on Sunday, GM John Elway was noncommittal on C.J. Anderson's future with the Broncos.

"He may or may not (return)," Elway said. "Who knows? We’re going to continue to massage this thing and try and figure out what’s best and gives us the best opportunity to win football games. ... There are a lot of moving parts to it when you talk about the (salary) cap." The Broncos can save $5 million in cap space by cutting Anderson. 9 News Denver's Mike Klis called it "hardly certain" Anderson stays on the Broncos' 2018 roster.

 
Boone22 said:
Speaking at the NFL Owners Meetings on Sunday, GM John Elway was noncommittal on C.J. Anderson's future with the Broncos.

"He may or may not (return)," Elway said. "Who knows? We’re going to continue to massage this thing and try and figure out what’s best and gives us the best opportunity to win football games. ... There are a lot of moving parts to it when you talk about the (salary) cap." The Broncos can save $5 million in cap space by cutting Anderson. 9 News Denver's Mike Klis called it "hardly certain" Anderson stays on the Broncos' 2018 roster.
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I wonder what Anderson did to earn such disrespect?  He’s hung in there and performed well , yet DEN still wants the underwhelming Booker to start and lets Anderson twist in the wind while FA is in full swing.  

 
Alex P Keaton said:
Meh. He is easily replaceable.  Not worth $4.5M per year.

D Henderson or a draft pick are cheaper.  And probably just as good.
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It's already been discussed extensively, but the bottom line was that these are baseless statements.

  • He was PFF's RB6 last year - I know the fantasy numbers weren't exciting last year (RB17), but he did a good job on a bad offense
  • There are very few RBs not on rookie contracts making less than him that are any good - it would cost them more than $4.5M to upgrade via FA
  • Rookie RBs are not a sure thing - one of them could be an upgrade, but it's a gamble
  • This team has other needs in the draft
  • Booker probably isn't good and he's definitely not as good as CJA
  • Henderson intrigues me, but he was an old, undersized rookie who couldn't get on the active roster last year - it's crazy to say that in year 2 he's probably just as good
I'm not saying they shouldn't cut CJA or that he was actually the 6th best RB in the NFL last year - just that it's nonsense that he's easily replaceable or a JAG or whatever people want to call him. If people want to ding him for missing time, that's fine. But when he's healthy, he's been a plus RB. And after two years, Booker has been a minus RB. Henderson was a 6th round draft pick that saw almost no action last year. The negative hyperbole surrounding CJA is kind of astounding. 

That being said, after missing out on Cousins, I'm not too optimistic about Denver this year. They probably should've moved on from CJA and DT. That way they could see what they have in Carlos Henderson at WR and Booker and DeAngelo Henderson at RB. With this being such a deep RB class, maybe invest a 3rd (they have their own and a compensatory) and rotate him in this year - make sure you've got talent for next year and if so, can ignore the position in FA/draft in 2019.

 
FF Ninja said:
It's already been discussed extensively, but the bottom line was that these are baseless statements.

  • He was PFF's RB6 last year - I know the fantasy numbers weren't exciting last year (RB17), but he did a good job on a bad offense
  • There are very few RBs not on rookie contracts making less than him that are any good - it would cost them more than $4.5M to upgrade via FA
  • Rookie RBs are not a sure thing - one of them could be an upgrade, but it's a gamble
  • This team has other needs in the draft
  • Booker probably isn't good and he's definitely not as good as CJA
  • Henderson intrigues me, but he was an old, undersized rookie who couldn't get on the active roster last year - it's crazy to say that in year 2 he's probably just as good
I'm not saying they shouldn't cut CJA or that he was actually the 6th best RB in the NFL last year - just that it's nonsense that he's easily replaceable or a JAG or whatever people want to call him. If people want to ding him for missing time, that's fine. But when he's healthy, he's been a plus RB. And after two years, Booker has been a minus RB. Henderson was a 6th round draft pick that saw almost no action last year. The negative hyperbole surrounding CJA is kind of astounding. 

That being said, after missing out on Cousins, I'm not too optimistic about Denver this year. They probably should've moved on from CJA and DT. That way they could see what they have in Carlos Henderson at WR and Booker and DeAngelo Henderson at RB. With this being such a deep RB class, maybe invest a 3rd (they have their own and a compensatory) and rotate him in this year - make sure you've got talent for next year and if so, can ignore the position in FA/draft in 2019.
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Not a Booker fan either.  (And never said I was).   It's confusing that you are defending CJA vocally, while also saying they should have moved on from him.

Appreciate the depth of your post though.  Always enjoy your stuff. :thumbup:

Edit to add:  I should have been more careful with my words.  "Probably just as good" was a poor choice.  I don't see CJA making a material difference on this team.  Maybe he would on a higher caliber roster.  I wouldn't spend $4.5M on him to be a Bronco in 2018.

 
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in a bizarro world scenario where Saquan makes it to 5, does Denver pass up on whichever 1 or 2 of the Qbs that are available, and chubb,fitzpatrick, etc for Saquan?

 
Pwingles said:
in a bizarro world scenario where Saquan makes it to 5, does Denver pass up on whichever 1 or 2 of the Qbs that are available, and chubb,fitzpatrick, etc for Saquan?
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I'm of the belief that Denver passes up a QB pretty much no matter what and I think they would jump at Barkley or Chubb if one falls.

 
Alex P Keaton said:
Not a Booker fan either.  (And never said I was).   It's confusing that you are defending CJA vocally, while also saying they should have moved on from him.

Appreciate the depth of your post though.  Always enjoy your stuff. :thumbup:

Edit to add:  I should have been more careful with my words.  "Probably just as good" was a poor choice.  I don't see CJA making a material difference on this team.  Maybe he would on a higher caliber roster.  I wouldn't spend $4.5M on him to be a Bronco in 2018.
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Oh, I know you didn't say that about Booker. I was just kind of summarizing everything discussed earlier. And the reason I'm defending CJA while also saying they should move on is because I think he's an underrated player but I also think this should be a rebuilding year for Denver since they don't have a legit QB in my opinion. You're not going to win it all with Keenum, so strategically, you should see what you've got from your guys on rookie contracts (Booker, Carlos Henderson, and DeAngelo Henderson) so you can educate your decisions regarding next season.

IMO, a versatile player like CJA (dependable bruiser with 3-down potential - good hands and good pass blocking) has a lot of value to the right team, but why carry him on a middling team at the expense of talent evaluation? I was hoping to see him cut so he could either be reunited with Gase (another middling team, but a good offensive mind that trusts/likes CJA) or to replace Gillislee on the Pats (he's more versatile than Gillislee, though) but now the Pats have resigned Burkhead so that's less appealing.

Pwingles said:
in a bizarro world scenario where Saquan makes it to 5, does Denver pass up on whichever 1 or 2 of the Qbs that are available, and chubb,fitzpatrick, etc for Saquan?
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Elway always seems to be in "win now" mode, so yeah, I could see that, especially if 3-4 QBs are gone (I could see Cleveland trading back from #4). Is he willing to give up on Lynch yet?

 
FF Ninja said:
Oh, I know you didn't say that about Booker. I was just kind of summarizing everything discussed earlier. And the reason I'm defending CJA while also saying they should move on is because I think he's an underrated player but I also think this should be a rebuilding year for Denver since they don't have a legit QB in my opinion. You're not going to win it all with Keenum, so strategically, you should see what you've got from your guys on rookie contracts (Booker, Carlos Henderson, and DeAngelo Henderson) so you can educate your decisions regarding next season.

IMO, a versatile player like CJA (dependable bruiser with 3-down potential - good hands and good pass blocking) has a lot of value to the right team, but why carry him on a middling team at the expense of talent evaluation? I was hoping to see him cut so he could either be reunited with Gase (another middling team, but a good offensive mind that trusts/likes CJA) or to replace Gillislee on the Pats (he's more versatile than Gillislee, though) but now the Pats have resigned Burkhead so that's less appealing.

Elway always seems to be in "win now" mode, so yeah, I could see that, especially if 3-4 QBs are gone (I could see Cleveland trading back from #4). Is he willing to give up on Lynch yet?
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Life long Bronco fan here and just my opinion but I feel there is no chance Elway is taking a QB at 5. Base this on the fact that I firmly believe he still isn't ready and willing to give up on Lynch and even Chad Kelly for that matter. 

Agree with the "win now" mode that Elway is always in. That being the case, you can not pass up on Q. Nelson if he is there at 5. He will help things tremendously for the entire offense. If this happens and they hold onto CJ (which I hope they do) than you will see a much improved O-line and running game in particular. 

 
FF Ninja said:
That being said, after missing out on Cousins, I'm not too optimistic about Denver this year. They probably should've moved on from CJA and DT.
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I kind of feel the opposite here.  KC is going through a huge shift in what they are doing on both sides of the ball. I really have no idea what Oakland is doing, and Gruden is giving off some Ditka in New Orleans vibes, of the game passing him by. The Chargers are probably the favorite, but seem to be the most snake bitten team in the league. I don't think its crazy to think with better QB play(which Keenum will provide, even if last year was a fluke, which I don't believe it was) they have a shot to win the division.

 
bicycle_seat_sniffer said:
Its not that bizarro....rb is not a high end value position in the nfl....he could slide to 7 or 9 easily
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I think in a "normal" year, where the words "generational talent" are only used a little bit with regard to the consensus best RB in the draft, you would be right. I think we see another top 4 RB selection this year, even with the saturation of QB prospects and QB needy teams

Dr. Octopus said:
I'm of the belief that Denver passes up a QB pretty much no matter what and I think they would jump at Barkley or Chubb if one falls.
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Possibly. It might be a solid plan to get another stud pass rush guy for when Millers deal becomes even more cost prohibitive

FF Ninja said:
Oh, I know you didn't say that about Booker. I was just kind of summarizing everything discussed earlier. And the reason I'm defending CJA while also saying they should move on is because I think he's an underrated player but I also think this should be a rebuilding year for Denver since they don't have a legit QB in my opinion. You're not going to win it all with Keenum, so strategically, you should see what you've got from your guys on rookie contracts (Booker, Carlos Henderson, and DeAngelo Henderson) so you can educate your decisions regarding next season.

IMO, a versatile player like CJA (dependable bruiser with 3-down potential - good hands and good pass blocking) has a lot of value to the right team, but why carry him on a middling team at the expense of talent evaluation? I was hoping to see him cut so he could either be reunited with Gase (another middling team, but a good offensive mind that trusts/likes CJA) or to replace Gillislee on the Pats (he's more versatile than Gillislee, though) but now the Pats have resigned Burkhead so that's less appealing.

Elway always seems to be in "win now" mode, so yeah, I could see that, especially if 3-4 QBs are gone (I could see Cleveland trading back from #4). Is he willing to give up on Lynch yet?
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I believe so. Him still being there is simply a product of his draft cost. I do not believe he will be there after his option.

 
travdogg said:
I kind of feel the opposite here.  KC is going through a huge shift in what they are doing on both sides of the ball. I really have no idea what Oakland is doing, and Gruden is giving off some Ditka in New Orleans vibes, of the game passing him by. The Chargers are probably the favorite, but seem to be the most snake bitten team in the league. I don't think its crazy to think with better QB play(which Keenum will provide, even if last year was a fluke, which I don't believe it was) they have a shot to win the division.
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Chargers do not have a home field....they should win the division easily but they wont....

Denver will be better with case...but imo not a superbowl threat

 
travdogg said:
I really have no idea what Oakland is doing, and Gruden is giving off some Ditka in New Orleans vibes, of the game passing him by.
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Imagine paying $10MM a year for a HC/GM that is making the moves Gruden has made so far. I'm surprised McKenzie hasn't resigned as it's obvious he's no longer running things.

 
Alex P Keaton said:
D Henderson or a draft pick are cheaper.  And probably just as good.  Not a fan.
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Because RB is a low-paid position, draft picks used on RB are actually more expensive (in terms of cap dollars) than draft picks used on other positions. Let's say that Anderson, in terms of rank at his position, is somewhere in between Sammy Watkins and Michael Crabtree. Watkins got $14M/year, Crabtree $7M/year. So a rookie who you're paying $1M/year would save you $3.5M/year over CJA, but maybe $9M/year over a CJA-level WR.

Like I said. $4.5M is peanuts.

 
I'm not sure the coaching staff and front office have a clue when it comes to managing their personnel.  D'Henderson flashed in the preseason but couldn't even sniff the field on a ####### 5-11 team.. How does he not get an EXTENDED look as the season was winding down?.....when he did get to play in week 17...all he did was take a swing pass and score a pretty impressive 29 yard TD....J. Charles actually played pretty well when given chance, (over 4.2 yards carry) but then the Broncos got cheap when he was 75 total yards away from a bonus, so they deactivated him down the stretch....Elway continually thinks offensive line doesn't mean too much even though he used a first rounder on Bolles last year (which was considered a reach by most)....the line needs stitches and Elway uses band aids....further evidence is the Veldheer trade, a guy who graded out as one of the worst tackles in the league....none of the RB's last year were really anything to write home about, although it probably would have been nice and probably would have made some sense to give Henderson some run down the stretch when the season was over....but then again Henderson may have actually played well and produced and god forbid help them win a game.....but that would have cost them a couple more draft spots so you gotta make sure you lose...maybe they did have a clue...

 
Reports of a failed trade that would have sent him to Miami. 

Per RW:

Denver 7's Troy Renck reports the Dolphins backed out of trade which would have landed them C.J. Anderson in return for RT Ja'Wuan James.

The two sides reportedly agreed to the deal before Miami "surprisingly nixed" it at the last minute. While that trade did not go through, it does confirm the Broncos are willing if not looking to move Anderson, something they might be able to accomplish during the draft. Anderson is scheduled to earn $4.5 million this season.

 
this is twice now that MIA has kinda messed with DEN....the first time forcing DEN to have to pay CJA more than they needed too....

 
ex-ghost said:
Now to Miami?
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Since they allegedly tried to trade for him that would probably be a good guess. However with Drake, Gore and the ability to add a cheap rookie, it would be a foolish move for them to use the cap space on another RB that's arguably not an upgrade - which means they'll likely do it.

 
Dr. Octopus said:
Since they allegedly tried to trade for him that would probably be a good guess. However with Drake, Gore and the ability to add a cheap rookie, it would be a foolish move for them to use the cap space on another RB that's arguably not an upgrade - which means they'll likely do it.
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Forgot about Gore. 

 
Andy Dufresne said:
Should go to Houston or Seattle.
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I think at this point he may have to wait until after the NFL draft - these teams could both use early picks at RB and potentially get a better player at a better price. However those that miss out in the draft may be willing to pony up for him.

 
Dr. Octopus said:
I think at this point he may have to wait until after the NFL draft - these teams could both use early picks at RB and potentially get a better player at a better price. However those that miss out in the draft may be willing to pony up for him.
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Both are missing picks and could use what they have on positions other than RB if they sign him

 
Dr. Octopus said:
I think at this point he may have to wait until after the NFL draft - these teams could both use early picks at RB and potentially get a better player at a better price. However those that miss out in the draft may be willing to pony up for him.
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In a deep RB draft he couldn't have picked a worse time to get cut.

 
If the NYG could sign him cheaply, it might strengthen their trade position since the other teams would see them as more likely to take QB and pass on Barkley, whether they would favor a QB or not.

 
Can someone explain Denver’s reasoning for doing this to me like I’m an 8 year old?  Maybe I’m too high on CJ or maybe I don’t fully understand Denver’s cap situation but I don’t see the reasons behind just releasing him.  He’s productive when he plays and he’s not old. Do they really like Booker and Henderson that much?  Or is the plan to draft a rookie RB in the first 3 rounds?

 
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