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Classic Album Discussion Thread: The Kinks-Lola Versus Powerman and the Moneygoround, Pt. 1 (1 Viewer)

Joshua Tree is one of a handful of albums (cassette in this case) that I bought day one without a preview of what was on it.  No ragrets. 

Joshua Tree and Unforgettable Fire are probably 1 and 2 for me among the U2 catalog which says more about my age than the quality of the music. 
During The Joshua Tree tour when the played the album start-to-finish in order, Bono would acknowledge “now is where we turn over to side 2 of The Joshua Tree cassette”.  I thought it was a clever way to acknowledge fans like us who first bought the album in that format.

 
During The Joshua Tree tour when the played the album start-to-finish in order, Bono would acknowledge “now is where we turn over to side 2 of The Joshua Tree cassette”.  I thought it was a clever way to acknowledge fans like us who first bought the album in that format.
I had tix to go last year, but the date conflicted with a dad-daughter event.   Grrrr. 

 
dutch said:
Was big into Styx as a kid but was turned off for good when I saw them in concert at The Aud back in '83.  Was my first concert and I was all hyped for a good time and then...Kilroy Was Here happened.  What a load of dreck.   :X   The album wasnt good to begin with but that concert sucked donkey nutz on an epic level.  Pure schmaltz!  Havent listened to Styx the same way since and have basically written them off and turn the station quick when they come on.
If they weren't already, I think that killed them in most people's eyes - with the possible exception of Dennis DeYoung's mom.

 
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Sure, Kilroy was terrible, and songs like "Babe" make me want to vomit. I get it.

But the two albums I chose rocked. Well, kind of.  But "Fooling Yourself", "Miss America", "Grand Illusion", "Renegade", "Blue Collar Man"- some quality stuff here guys. Roll with it a little. 

 
zoonation said:
The opening 3 song salvo of the Joshua Tree is arguably the best ever (arguably).  Those songs could be released today and would sounds as rich and as fresh as they did 31 years ago.  The sonics are insane.  The vocals soaring.  Unbelievable tracks that, for good reason were overkilled on the radio and are now a ubiquitous part of the modern music tapestry.  The rest of the Album is super solid as well.  Truly one of the great records of all-time.
I’ve tried several times to convince myself that Achtung Baby is the better album, but then I would put Joshua Tree on and realize that’s the one.  

 
:P How the mighty have fallen.  Thats a rung below tribute bands.

Go. And report back.
website does not have DeYoung listed as a band member.  We will probably go because we usually go when the rock bands play.  We've seen Cheap Trick and Doobies Bros twice at the fair and they were excellent.

 
I hate Styx even more than I hate Kansas.  Mostly it's Dennis DeYoung and his pretentions.  "Come Sail Away" could have worked as comedy but as a serious "deep-thinking" song it's an embarrassment.  DeYoung came up with faux-classical flourishes on keyboard, organ and synth and they were so obviously the product of someone with pretentions of being taken seriously as an artist, but their only redeeming parts came when Shaw et al came along to rock them up a little.  Dreck.

 
dutch said:
Was big into Styx as a kid but was turned off for good when I saw them in concert at The Aud back in '83.  Was my first concert and I was all hyped for a good time and then...Kilroy Was Here happened.  What a load of dreck.   :X   The album wasnt good to begin with but that concert sucked donkey nutz on an epic level.  Pure schmaltz!  Havent listened to Styx the same way since and have basically written them off and turn the station quick when they come on.
Yeah, I thought Styx was ok, they had some good songs. I actually thought the album was called Mr. Roboto. I saw that tour too. Half Broadway musical, half concert. It was interesting but I don't remember listening to anything from them after that.

 
I’ve tried several times to convince myself that Achtung Baby is the better album, but then I would put Joshua Tree on and realize that’s the one.  
I actually like Achtung Baby a bit more.  More for nostalgia reasons than anything else.  when I was 16 my mom lent me her car and I drove from calgary to vancouver with my highschool girlfriend to see Zoo TV (which had been taking over the continent at the time.  What parent does that?  Had to stay in a shoot-up and sleep because I didn't have a credit card to pay for regular hotel.  Went to the concert and my mind was blown.  Revolutionary show on almost every level.  It was crazy.  Also, the album is more personal in the lyrical themes which really resonated with me at the time (and still does)

 
I mean, if you gave me Styx greatest hits I’d listen but I think this album really sticks out like a sore thumb among the overall list.

 
have no idea.  They play Aug 22.   It's free with $7 admission to the fair.
:P How the mighty have fallen.  Thats a rung below tribute bands.

Go. And report back.
It's worse than that. 

Back in '07 Columbus had a team in the Arena Football League's Arenabowl. My wife and I decided to go, because we had never been to New Orleans before.

Styx was the band at the rally party the night before. 

 
Styx aren't my favorites but they're probably making more money from playing shows at fairs, casinos and corporate events than the cool kids are getting from playing club gigs.

Much respect to anybody who's earning their living playing music.

 
I hate Styx even more than I hate Kansas.  Mostly it's Dennis DeYoung and his pretentions.  "Come Sail Away" could have worked as comedy but as a serious "deep-thinking" song it's an embarrassment.  DeYoung came up with faux-classical flourishes on keyboard, organ and synth and they were so obviously the product of someone with pretentions of being taken seriously as an artist, but their only redeeming parts came when Shaw et al came along to rock them up a little.  Dreck.
As different as DeYoung and Shaw were, no one would know who either one even is today if it weren't for them working with each other.

That said, I'm pretty DeYoung was the one unwilling to compromise and continue to make it work. 

For those that don't know, they reached an agreement in their separation where Shaw and the rest of the band continue to own the name and play the songs, where DeYoung is also allowed to play the songs and call it "the Music of Styx". So there's usually two tours of "Styx" music traveling the country at any given time.

 
timschochet said:
According to a book I read recently, Tommy Shaw admitted that they couldn’t get any songs on the radio, and they finally broke through with “Come Sail Away” after they gave baggies filled with cocaine to any DJ that would put it on. Who knows? In any case, these two albums showcase the band at its prime, but they also predict what would eventually lead to its demise, with Dennis De Young insisting on sappy ballads like “Sing For the Day” and Tommy Shaw wanting harder rock like “Blue Collar Man” and “Renegade”. “Come Sail Away” is such a late 70s epic, evoking for me early memories of Star Wars and the “Asteroids” arcade game. That was the time.
Revisionist history by Tommy Shaw and James Young, who act like they wanted to rock, as if they are Black Sabbath or something, while DDY wanted all ballads.  Shaw wrote Sing for the Day, and Shaw and Young were the ones who insisted that Babe be a Styx song; DDY had written it just for his wife, and the others insisted on recording it as a Styx song because they knew it'd be a hit.  I am a big fan of both Tommy and DDY, so I do not really take sides, but Tommy (and Young, who is as about as lucky as anybody) has changed the story too many times for me to buy it.  DDY was a pain in the ###, but results are what matter, and the band was at their best and did well when he was steering the ship.  Adding Tommy gave them a 2nd great songwriter. 

That aside, The Grand Illusion and Pieces of Eight are both terrific records.  Both are great from start to finish. 

 
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Revisionist history by Tommy Shaw and James Young, who act like they wanted to rock, as if they are Black Sabbath or something, while DDY wanted all ballads.  Shaw wrote Sing for the Day, and Shaw and Young were the ones who insisted that Babe be a Styx song; DDY had written it just for his wife, and the others insisted on recording it as a Styx song because they knew it'd be a hit.  I am a big fan of both Tommy and DDY, so I do not really take sides, but Tommy (and Young, who is as about as lucky as anybody) has changed the story too many times for me to buy it.  DDY was a pain in the ###, but results are what matter, and the band was at their best and did well when he was steering the ship.  Adding Tommy gave them a 2nd great songwriter. 

That aside, The Grand Illusion and Pieces of Eight are both terrific records.  Both are great from start to finish. 
Thanks for this info. 

I never saw Styx live, but I did see Dennis De Young at the Hollywood Bowl as Pontius Pilate in Jesus Christ Superstar. 

 
this should be in the "Not Ashamed to Admit" thread, but I LOVE DDY solo Desert Moon..  
The title track was decent, but I think it’s one of those tunes that was made better by the video. Nice feel good video, with a Boomer Esiason doppelgänger.

 
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yeah, I'm kind of ashamed to admit the Styx album with the trees on the cover was in our heavily-pot-smoking dorm room my sophomore year in college.  None of us really loved it, but no one said no (Nazis).  :bag:

 
The Beatles- Abbey Road (1969)

Come Together

Something

Maxwell’s Silver Hammer

Oh! Darling

Octopus’s Garden

I Want You (She’s So Heavy) 

Because

You Never Give Me Your Money

Sun King

Mean Mr. Mustard

Polythene Pam

She Came Into the Bathroom Window

Golden Slumbers

Carry That Weight

The End

Her Majesty

After Styx, I know this is a bit of a downgrade, but...

The first half of the album is a collection of singles, and what singles they are; John Lennon’s “Come Together”, and George Harrison’s “Something” and “Here Comes the Sun” are as good as the Beatles ever got (which means as good as popular music ever gets.) Ringo gets a rare writing  credit for the delightful “Octopus’s Garden” while “Maxwell” explores Paul’s love of the old British Music Hall. “Oh! Darling” is a classic rocker. “Because” used to be my least favorite song on the album but it grows on you, and I think it influenced Led Zeppelin’s “In the Light.” 

The second half of the album is all Paul and it’s simply magnificent. 

 
Two things:

1. Nobody is stopping anybody from posting your own album and writeup

2. This has been a fantastic thread and Tim deserves almost all the credit

Amd I don’t mean this to sound as snarky as I’m sure it does - just stating facts.
Also to be fair, while I may like War better than Joshua Tree also there's really no debate on which is the more "classic" album.

 
Took me many decades to appreciate the Beatles.  As a teenager, I didn't like their Love Me Do style and never investigated further.   Once I actually sat down and listened - damn.  Side 2 of this one is amazing. 

 
The Beatles- Abbey Road (1969)

Come Together

Something

Maxwell’s Silver Hammer

Oh! Darling

Octopus’s Garden

I Want You (She’s So Heavy) 

Because

You Never Give Me Your Money

Sun King

Mean Mr. Mustard

Polythene Pam

She Came Into the Bathroom Window

Golden Slumbers

Carry That Weight

The End

Her Majesty

After Styx, I know this is a bit of a downgrade, but...

The first half of the album is a collection of singles, and what singles they are; John Lennon’s “Come Together”, and George Harrison’s “Something” and “Here Comes the Sun” are as good as the Beatles ever got (which means as good as popular music ever gets.) Ringo gets a rare writing  credit for the delightful “Octopus’s Garden” while “Maxwell” explores Paul’s love of the old British Music Hall. “Oh! Darling” is a classic rocker. “Because” used to be my least favorite song on the album but it grows on you, and I think it influenced Led Zeppelin’s “In the Light.” 

The second half of the album is all Paul and it’s simply magnificent. 
Here Comes the Sun is probably my favorite Beatles song - and side 2 is a complete masterpiece.

I was once in a cab in San Francisco with two friends in college - we took a spur of the moment trip from NJ - and  I Want You (She’s So Heavy) came on the radio. The driver said "do you mind if I change this?" and all three of us screamed in unison, "No, Don't". The guy got apologetic and said he loves the Beatles but that song is too repetitive for him.

 
Abbey Road is the kind of album that you listen to, and as a musician who tries to write and expand your craft, you hate yourself for not being a fraction as good as they are.

 
Abbey Road is one of the greatest albums ever made and side 2 is perfect.  The medley of songs on side 2 is a favorite Beatles moment for me.  This is a classic album.   

 
Most overrated band ever. No, I'm not saying they suck, but they get too much credit for talent.
Nope, you are wrong.  I mean that in the sense that if wrong were a death penalty offense based on scale of wrongness you would be drawn and quartered and your remains would then be burned to ash and your ashes would then be dissolved in acid, Breaking Bad style.

 
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Abbey Road is one of my all-time favorite albums. My favorite song(s) is the medley of Golden Slumbers>Carry that Weight>The End.

 
Nope, you are wrong.  I mean that in the sense that if wrong were a death penalty offense based on scale of wrongness you would be drawn and quartered and your remains would then be burned to ash and your ashes would then be dissolved in acid, Breaking Bad style.
Yea, you're not wearing blinders or anything.

 
Most overrated band ever. No, I'm not saying they suck, but they get too much credit for talent.
Won't attack the opinion; to each his own.

But I am actually good friends with someone who says the exact same thing.  And he is a musician.  And I just don't understand it at all.

 

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