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Classic Album Discussion Thread: The Kinks-Lola Versus Powerman and the Moneygoround, Pt. 1 (2 Viewers)

I just finished reading through this whole thread.  I cannot believe in all the replies not one mention of The Doors.  Break on through to the other side.  Also People are Strange especially these days.
Love The Doors, and I'm sure they will get some discussion - their first album and last album are both iconic. I will say the one thing that bugs me about the Doors is how poor / thin their live stuff sounds. Ray handling the bass just doesn't work for a big sound. The best live recordings of them are all about Jim. If he was on, it's a good listen. If he's not, it's boring.

 
Need a spinoff thread for new artists that fit into the "classic rock" genre.  There are a lot of bands being mentioned in the last two posts I need to familiarize myself with.  If Alt Country can get a thread, "new" classic rock should get one.

 
rustycolts said:
I just finished reading through this whole thread.  I cannot believe in all the replies not one mention of The Doors.  Break on through to the other side.  Also People are Strange especially these days.
Early times yet for this thread. I started it this weekend. Be patient. 

 
Todem said:
Funny. One of my least fav's....good tune. But did not age well for me LOL.
Listened to Clockwork Angels...just not for me. I had to put on Fly By Night to get my head right. :D  So good.

It reminded me how I pulled a bunch of quotes from Rush songs ( and some Zep) and put them in people's yearbooks at graduation. Stuff like:

Live for yourself, there's no one else more worth living for - Rush  :nerd:

 
If you haven't heard of any of these then you haven't been trying.  :D
That is probably the case.  Only one I have heard of is the Tedeschi Trucks Band and that is because of Derek Trucks association with the Allmans.  I am definitely going to give the bands listed a listen.

 
not following wikkid ...help me here.
Rock and Roll isn't for customers, it's for subversives. Rockers burn, not buy, ComicCons

You know the day destroys the night
Night divides the day
Tried to run
Tried to hide
Break on through to the other side
Break on through to the other side
Break on through to the other side, yeah

We chased our pleasures here
Dug our treasures there
But can you still recall
The time we cried
Break on through to the other side
Break on through to the other side

Yeah!
C'mon, yeah

Everybody loves my baby
Everybody loves my baby
She get
She get
She get
She get high

I found an island in your arms
Country in your eyes
Arms that chain us
Eyes that lie
Break on through to the other side
Break on through to the other side
Break on through, oww!
Oh, yeah!

Made the scene
Week to week
Day to day
Hour to hour
The gate is straight
Deep and wide
Break on through to the other side
Break on through to the other side
Break on through
Break on through
Break on through
Break on through
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah

 
so like live fast, die young and leave a beautiful corpse?
no, no, no - truth, baby. find the truth. bleed to use the thing that's special inside you. live forever by finding a beauty no one else has. dont protect yourself from life. knock the #### down, bust your head open, give the product to a stranger just for drill, sleep on dirt if it sets you free. we are either gods or bugs. no bug me -

 
no, no, no - truth, baby. find the truth. bleed to use the thing that's special inside you. live forever by finding a beauty no one else has. dont protect yourself from life. knock the #### down, bust your head open, give the product to a stranger just for drill, sleep on dirt if it sets you free. we are either gods or bugs. no bug me -
:bag:  ...thanks, especially dense today apparently.

 
I think its Funk.
Ok. Sounds like a Zappa rocker with a better lead vocal to me. 

Anyway, sorry to derail. Tim was clever in how he set this thread up, basing it on a radio format (where the playlists are what they are, right or wrong) instead of the more nebulous "genre" and thus cut the legs out from under many of my most pedantic musical arguments.

Zep II kicks all kinds of ### and is, IMO, way better than their debut (outside of "Communication Breakdown").

 
Rock and Roll isn't for customers, it's for subversives. Rockers burn, not buy, ComicCons

You know the day destroys the night
Night divides the day
Tried to run
Tried to hide
Break on through to the other side
Break on through to the other side
Break on through to the other side, yeah

We chased our pleasures here
Dug our treasures there
But can you still recall
The time we cried
Break on through to the other side
Break on through to the other side

Yeah!
C'mon, yeah

Everybody loves my baby
Everybody loves my baby
She get
She get
She get
She get high

I found an island in your arms
Country in your eyes
Arms that chain us
Eyes that lie
Break on through to the other side
Break on through to the other side
Break on through, oww!
Oh, yeah!

Made the scene
Week to week
Day to day
Hour to hour
The gate is straight
Deep and wide
Break on through to the other side
Break on through to the other side
Break on through
Break on through
Break on through
Break on through
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah


You men eat your dinner
Eat your pork and beans
I eat more chicken
Than any man ever seen, yeah, yeah
 

 
You men eat your dinner
Eat your pork and beans
I eat more chicken
Than any man ever seen, yeah, yeah
 
When I was back there in seminary school
There was a person there
Who put forth the proposition
That you can petition the Lord with prayer
Petition the lord with prayer
Petition the lord with prayer
YOU CAN NOT PETITION THE LORD WITH PRAYER

 
I will throw the magpie salute out there for a newer rock band putting out some good tunes... Of the southern variety, I guess... Not totally new as it's three parts black crowes. They also do some pretty good covers.

https://youtu.be/Zg9FGe5pWFg

 
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You know the day destroys the night
Night divides the day
Tried to run
Tried to hide
Break on through to the other side
Break on through to the other side
Pretentious UCLA film school dropouts who thought that Aldous Huxley was meaningful. Those lyrics suck. I’ve always thought so too. 

They weren’t a terrible band. I like some of Manzarek’s keyboards, and they played blues pretty well (though I can think of a dozen or so contemporaries who played better blues). But because their lyrics were weird and mysterious, because their lead singer was good looking and charismatic in a James Dean kind of way, and especially because, like James Dean he died young, this band is treated far more seriously and reverently than they deserve. 

If Jim Morrison were still alive these guys would be afforded all the memory and respect we give to The Loving Spoonful or Tommy James and the Shondells. 

 
Pretentious UCLA film school dropouts who thought that Aldous Huxley was meaningful. Those lyrics suck. I’ve always thought so too. 

They weren’t a terrible band. I like some of Manzarek’s keyboards, and they played blues pretty well (though I can think of a dozen or so contemporaries who played better blues). But because their lyrics were weird and mysterious, because their lead singer was good looking and charismatic in a James Dean kind of way, and especially because, like James Dean he died young, this band is treated far more seriously and reverently than they deserve. 

If Jim Morrison were still alive these guys would be afforded all the memory and respect we give to The Loving Spoonful or Tommy James and the Shondells. 
That is pretty brutal.  I have to say while not my favorite band I always liked their music.  Even during my post acid and mushroom days.  Yep I am really lucky I survived the early 70s.

 
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Pretentious UCLA film school dropouts who thought that Aldous Huxley was meaningful. Those lyrics suck. I’ve always thought so too. 

They weren’t a terrible band. I like some of Manzarek’s keyboards, and they played blues pretty well (though I can think of a dozen or so contemporaries who played better blues). But because their lyrics were weird and mysterious, because their lead singer was good looking and charismatic in a James Dean kind of way, and especially because, like James Dean he died young, this band is treated far more seriously and reverently than they deserve. 

If Jim Morrison were still alive these guys would be afforded all the memory and respect we give to The Loving Spoonful or Tommy James and the Shondells. 
Wrong

 
Pretentious UCLA film school dropouts who thought that Aldous Huxley was meaningful. Those lyrics suck. I’ve always thought so too. 

They weren’t a terrible band. I like some of Manzarek’s keyboards, and they played blues pretty well (though I can think of a dozen or so contemporaries who played better blues). But because their lyrics were weird and mysterious, because their lead singer was good looking and charismatic in a James Dean kind of way, and especially because, like James Dean he died young, this band is treated far more seriously and reverently than they deserve. 

If Jim Morrison were still alive these guys would be afforded all the memory and respect we give to The Loving Spoonful or Tommy James and the Shondells. 




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Too far.

While both of the groups above should be fondly remembered and respected for their musical contributions - The Doors are in a different category altogether.  Especially lyrically.  

 
How can you not think these lyrics are not brilliant and original.  Not saying Morrison was a McCartney Lennon,but he was definitely one of the best.

There's blood in the streets it's up to my ankles,
Blood in the streets it's up to my knee;
Blood in the streets, the town of Chicago.
Blood on the rise, it's following me.
Just about the break of day.

She came, then she drove away,
Sunlight in her hair.

Blood on the streets runs a river of sadness.
Blood in the streets, it's up to my thigh.
The river runs down the legs of the city;
The women are crying red rivers of weeping.

She came in town and then she went away,
Sunlight in her hair.

Indians scattered on dawn's highway.
Bleeding ghosts crowd the young childs fragile eggshell mind.

Blood in the streets of the town of New Haven;
Blood stains the roofs and the palm trees of Venice.
Blood in my love in the terrible summer;
Bloody red sun of fantastic L. A.
Blood screams her brain as they chop off her fingers.
Blood will be born in the birth of a nation;
Blood is the rose of mysterious union.

There's blood in the streets it's up to my ankles,
Blood in the streets it's up to my knee;
Blood in the streets, the town of Chicago.
Blood on the rise, it's following me.

 
If Jim Morrison were still alive these guys would be afforded all the memory and respect we give to The Loving Spoonful or Tommy James and the Shondells. 
I wasn’t really alive at the time but from what I understand the Doors were much bigger at the time than those bands were and while Morrison’s death did add to their mystique they put out a few classic albums - and just looking at their double records greatest hit album would make your statement above seem misguided at best.

 
rustycolts said:
Reading through this thread makes me sad that Rock has basically died.  I really hope at some point it can make a comeback.  Artist like Clapton,Duane and Greg Allman,Neil Young and so many others that were just so creative.  Makes me want to break out old Albums like Spooky Tooths you broke my heart so I busted your jaw and of course much to my wifes chagrin all of my Zappa albums.  
Yes it mostly has. There still is good rock music being made but as an overall movement that is capturing the zeitgeist of the time, it's not in good shape. The last great era was the aughts with White Stripes, Strokes, Black Keys, Modest Mouse, Interpol. 

wikkidpissah said:
either fanboys or revolutionaries rule culture. those who mourn rock now know why -
Great point. Fanboys are the worst but we are living in the age of the fanboy. It has even leaked into politics. Take that for what one will, but Wikkid will know. 

Need a spinoff thread for new artists that fit into the "classic rock" genre.  There are a lot of bands being mentioned in the last two posts I need to familiarize myself with.  If Alt Country can get a thread, "new" classic rock should get one.
Great thread idea. 

Pretentious UCLA film school dropouts who thought that Aldous Huxley was meaningful. Those lyrics suck. I’ve always thought so too. 

They weren’t a terrible band. I like some of Manzarek’s keyboards, and they played blues pretty well (though I can think of a dozen or so contemporaries who played better blues). But because their lyrics were weird and mysterious, because their lead singer was good looking and charismatic in a James Dean kind of way, and especially because, like James Dean he died young, this band is treated far more seriously and reverently than they deserve. 

If Jim Morrison were still alive these guys would be afforded all the memory and respect we give to The Loving Spoonful or Tommy James and the Shondells. 
You are off the rails man.

keep your eyes on the road, 
your hands upon the wheel.

 
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And now for a song interlude: 

Ted Nugent “Stranglehold” (from 1975)

I’m not going to review this album (Ted Nugent) because it’s just not strong enough to warrant an album review in this thread; neither are any of his other albums.

But this song is a ten minute masterpiece. It can’t really be matched live (though Ted has been trying for over 40 years) because it features dueling lead guitars, both by Ted Nugent, mixed in the studio. The song is mainly sung by the rhythm guitarist Derek St. Holmes, though Ted provides the middle section. 

Ted Nugent is a huge jerk. He was a jerk before this song, he was a jerk recording this song, he’s been a jerk ever since, and that’s not even taking account his political opinions which I find to be total crap. I’m not really a fan of any of his other music, including his other big radio hit, “Cat Scratch Fever”, which is less than mediocre 70s hard rock. I wouldn’t pay to see this guy in concert. 

But “Stranglehold” is great. I think it’s up there with the all time best epic classic rock songs ever recorded. And so Ted deserves his one shining moment. 

 
And now for a song interlude: 

Ted Nugent “Stranglehold” (from 1975)

I’m not going to review this album (Ted Nugent) because it’s just not strong enough to warrant an album review in this thread; neither are any of his other albums.

But this song is a ten minute masterpiece. It can’t really be matched live (though Ted has been trying for over 40 years) because it features dueling lead guitars, both by Ted Nugent, mixed in the studio. The song is mainly sung by the rhythm guitarist Derek St. Holmes, though Ted provides the middle section. 

Ted Nugent is a huge jerk. He was a jerk before this song, he was a jerk recording this song, he’s been a jerk ever since, and that’s not even taking account his political opinions which I find to be total crap. I’m not really a fan of any of his other music, including his other big radio hit, “Cat Scratch Fever”, which is less than mediocre 70s hard rock. I wouldn’t pay to see this guy in concert. 

But “Stranglehold” is great. I think it’s up there with the all time best epic classic rock songs ever recorded. And so Ted deserves his one shining moment. 
I've never said this befoere but can we talk about Rush again?

 
rustycolts said:
Reading through this thread makes me sad that Rock has basically died.  I really hope at some point it can make a comeback.  Artist like Clapton,Duane and Greg Allman,Neil Young and so many others that were just so creative.  Makes me want to break out old Albums like Spooky Tooths you broke my heart so I busted your jaw and of course much to my wifes chagrin all of my Zappa albums.  
Yes it mostly has. There still is good rock music being made but as an overall movement that is capturing the zeitgeist of the time, it's not in good shape. The last great era was the aughts with White Stripes, Strokes, Black Keys, Modest Mouse, Interpol. 
I think "Classic Rock" deserves some of the blame for the death of rock music in popular culture.  AOR format programmers played the familiar 60s and 70s acts to death while refusing admittance to newer rock acts who fit the format musically but not generationally. 

The net result was audience fragmentation which was good for radio advertisers and whomever held performance royalties on popular rock oldies but bad for sustaining rock music as a living, breathing entity.  The new bands you mentioned were successful relative to their contemporaries but not compared to acts who came out in the hookers and blow peak of the music industry.

 
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Also unpopular take: Physical Graffiti is not that good. 
Yeah, unpopular is an understatement. May not be your cup of tea but "not that good"? C'mon, nobody could take that seriously.

In my time of dying (my favorite Zep song, at least right now)

kashmir

trampled underfoot

custard pie

the rover

down by the seaside

in the light

just off the top of my head, all fantastic songs

 
I think "Classic Rock" deserves some of the blame for the death of rock music in popular culture.  AOR format programmers played the familiar 60s and 70s acts to death while refusing admittance to newer rock acts who fit the format musically but not generationally. 

The net result was audience fragmentation which was good for radio advertisers and whomever held performance royalties on popular rock oldies but bad for sustaining rock music as a living, breathing entity.  The new bands you mentioned were successful relative to their contemporaries but not compared to acts who came out in the hookers and blow peak of the music industry.
How have I never heard this take before? It's dead ### accurate. 

 
Pretentious UCLA film school dropouts who thought that Aldous Huxley was meaningful. Those lyrics suck. I’ve always thought so too. 

They weren’t a terrible band. I like some of Manzarek’s keyboards, and they played blues pretty well (though I can think of a dozen or so contemporaries who played better blues). But because their lyrics were weird and mysterious, because their lead singer was good looking and charismatic in a James Dean kind of way, and especially because, like James Dean he died young, this band is treated far more seriously and reverently than they deserve. 

If Jim Morrison were still alive these guys would be afforded all the memory and respect we give to The Loving Spoonful or Tommy James and the Shondells. 
Porto punk.  The Doors were a huge influence on Ian Curtis and you can hear them in Joy Division. Like Echo & the Bunnymen?  Ian McCulloch does a good Jim Morrison. Iggy Pop was a huge fan. 

 
Yeah, unpopular is an understatement. May not be your cup of tea but "not that good"? C'mon, nobody could take that seriously.

In my time of dying (my favorite Zep song, at least right now)  Agreed, one of their best songs

kashmir   ditto

trampled underfoot   this is good 

custard pie

the rover

down by the seaside

in the light

just off the top of my head, all fantastic songs
the non-bolded are pedestrian for the level of rock band. Now, ofcourse anything by LZ is good because they were exceptional musicians. I am talking relative to the praise given and quality of LZ, those nonbolded songs are weak. 

 
Yes pretty much the 90s.
We need to get you on Spotify first of all. It will be hard since I am pretty sure I read you hate technology. Just ask yourself this. For $10 a month, would you want to be able to listen to pretty much any song ever anywhere you go?

 
the non-bolded are pedestrian for the level of rock band. Now, ofcourse anything by LZ is good because they were exceptional musicians. I am talking relative to the praise given and quality of LZ, those nonbolded songs are weak. 
Well to each their own of course. I'm not sure most Zep fans would consider them weak.

 
We need to get you on Spotify first of all. It will be hard since I am pretty sure I read you hate technology. Just ask yourself this. For $10 a month, would you want to be able to listen to pretty much any song ever anywhere you go?
What would I listen to it on?  I mostly listen to CDs in my car.  I use you tube or Amazon on my tv

 
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What would I listen to it on?  I mostly listen to CDs in my car.  I use you tube or Amazon on my tv
It works on phones and anything that has a web browser (comptuer, tablet). Maybe you just aren't a tech guy, but as a music fan, it is the most amazing thing in the world. 

 
Well to each their own of course. I'm not sure most Zep fans would consider them weak.
Hey, LZ is a great freaking band. I totally get why people love them. I listen to music others here would laugh at. To each their own like you say. I'm just expressing my opinion and poking the bear a bit here. 

 
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I also have a Sansui power amp,pre amp and tuner,along with a technics turntable and Klipch speakers that I play my old albums on.  I got that equipment when I was in the Army in the 70s.

 

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