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Classic Album Discussion Thread: The Kinks-Lola Versus Powerman and the Moneygoround, Pt. 1 (2 Viewers)

timschochet said:
I used to be proud of my eclectic tastes. But in truth there’s a lot of people who don’t form alliances to musical genres. 
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You've mentioned X myriad times. I totally believe it. 

I also don't form allegiances to genres. I have my favorites, but any genre can be good at some point.  

 
timschochet said:
I used to be proud of my eclectic tastes. But in truth there’s a lot of people who don’t form alliances to musical genres. 
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I believe it’s true now as an adult but being heavily involved in the scene I don’t believe this is true back then. At least where I grew up. 

Now I know Jonsey from the Pistols loved Boston while he was  in the group but even he had to hide this at the time

 
timschochet said:
X- Los Angeles (1980)

Your Phone’s off the Hook, But You’re Not

Johny Hit and Run Pauline

Soul Kitchen 

Nausea

Sugarlight

Los Angeles

Sex and Dying In High Society

The Unheard Music

The World’s a Mess, It’s In My Kiss

Produced by The Door’s Ray Manzarak (there is a cover of “Soul Kitchen”) this record is a punk rock tour de force, featuring the unique vocals of Exene Cervankis and John Doe, and the strong rockabilly guitar of Billy Zoom. The title song, “Johny Hit and Run Pauline”, “Nausea”, “Sex and Dying”, “The World’s a Mess”, all brilliant. 
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Fantastic album, fantastic band. They had some great riffs.

 
ffldrew said:
Exene has MS - it's been taking a bit of a toll. She had moved to Jefferson City Missouri area - to a farm not too far from Lake of the Ozarks with her sister. I haven't talked to her in a while about the MS specifically but do ask here how's she's feeling generally when I do see her. One of the reasons I miss living in Denver because X and John show up there on a regular basis. Maybe Eephus knows a bit more since he or his wife may have spoken with her more recently.
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Exene is fine.  That whole MS business turned out to be a misdiagnosis.  With Exene, it may have been a self-diagnosis.  She's a friend of Mrs. Eephus, from the little bit I know her she's an extremely kind woman but man, she's out there.

We're going to see X (again) on Saturday night at the Fillmore.  They're starting their annual West Coast holiday swing a little early this year touring with Los Lobos.  X is headlining the Saturday show and opening the Friday show for the Wolves.

 
Uruk-Hai said:
Like he fired Mattlock and said "he wanted to make us FUN!!! Like the Beatles!!!" in mock horror.
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And replaced him with a completely dysfunctional person who couldn't play the instrument he needed to. 

That was the real downfall of the band, IMHO. Jones, from interviews, seems like a guy who just wanted to drink and while bothered by the circus, could have dealt with it. I wonder what Jones, Matlock, Rotten, and Cook would have become? Probably parodies of themselves.  

 
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rockaction said:
And replaced him with a completely dysfunctional person who couldn't play the instrument he needed to. 

That was the real downfall of the band, IMHO. Jones, from interviews, seems like a guy who just wanted to drink and while bothered by the circus, could have dealt with it. I wonder what Jones, Matlock, Rotten, and Cook would have become? Probably parodies of themselves.  
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Hiring Sid was a brilliant move.  It lit the fuse for the destruction of the band.  

The band had to die for the legend to live on.  As far as I'm concerned, the Great Rock 'n Roll Swindle recordings and Filthy Lucre reunion tour never happened.

 
Eephus said:
Hiring Sid was a brilliant move.  It lit the fuse for the destruction of the band.  

The band had to die for the legend to live on.  As far as I'm concerned, the Great Rock 'n Roll Swindle recordings and Filthy Lucre reunion tour never happened.
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Yep. That's why I put that they probably become parodies of what they embodied had they hadn't destroyed themselves. As I was typing, all I could think was how were they going to top Never Mind... and that it would have been futile to do so. 

 
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Eephus said:
Exene is fine.  That whole MS business turned out to be a misdiagnosis.  With Exene, it may have been a self-diagnosis.  She's a friend of Mrs. Eephus, from the little bit I know her she's an extremely kind woman but man, she's out there.

We're going to see X (again) on Saturday night at the Fillmore.  They're starting their annual West Coast holiday swing a little early this year touring with Los Lobos.  X is headlining the Saturday show and opening the Friday show for the Wolves.
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It's very cool that there's more than one person here that knows Exene Cervankis. 

I saw X on New Year's eve 1985 with Lone Justice (Maria McKee's old band.) Great concert. 

 
Eephus said:
Exene is fine.  That whole MS business turned out to be a misdiagnosis.  With Exene, it may have been a self-diagnosis.  She's a friend of Mrs. Eephus, from the little bit I know her she's an extremely kind woman but man, she's out there.

We're going to see X (again) on Saturday night at the Fillmore.  They're starting their annual West Coast holiday swing a little early this year touring with Los Lobos.  X is headlining the Saturday show and opening the Friday show for the Wolves.
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Eephus - do you guys know Cindy Wasserman? How's she been doing - I know she had cancer and I haven't seen her since last summer in ATL when she was singing with John. She was doing good at the time - looking pretty healthy and said she was doing fine - but you never really know. She's a great person to just hangout and talk with. (I lived 2 blocks from World Famous Lions Lair in Denver - a favorite hangout for John and Co.)

Almost flew out to LA for the shows - Blasters were joining them and the Wolves down there as well- and I felt I needed to rekindle some of my misspent youth. Those bands - Beat Farmers, Mojo - damn that was good times. Also saw where Flesh Eaters were going on the road mainly in the west - so I need to get out and about for that.

And it's good that Exene is doing fine - I could imagine her working thru some voodoo stuff  and who knows what.

 
ffldrew said:
Eephus - do you guys know Cindy Wasserman? How's she been doing - I know she had cancer and I haven't seen her since last summer in ATL when she was singing with John. She was doing good at the time - looking pretty healthy and said she was doing fine - but you never really know. She's a great person to just hangout and talk with. (I lived 2 blocks from World Famous Lions Lair in Denver - a favorite hangout for John and Co.)

Almost flew out to LA for the shows - Blasters were joining them and the Wolves down there as well- and I felt I needed to rekindle some of my misspent youth. Those bands - Beat Farmers, Mojo - damn that was good times. Also saw where Flesh Eaters were going on the road mainly in the west - so I need to get out and about for that.

And it's good that Exene is doing fine - I could imagine her working thru some voodoo stuff  and who knows what.
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John played with a folk trio the last time through.  I think Cindy was in the band when they played Hardly Strictly a few years back.

I'm bad at making small talk with artists.  Mrs Eephus is the one who always comes away with personal info, swag and phone numbers while I stand around and check the scores on my phone.  I'll ask her if she knows Cindy.

 
Eephus said:
Exene is fine.  That whole MS business turned out to be a misdiagnosis.  With Exene, it may have been a self-diagnosis.  She's a friend of Mrs. Eephus, from the little bit I know her she's an extremely kind woman but man, she's out there.

We're going to see X (again) on Saturday night at the Fillmore.  They're starting their annual West Coast holiday swing a little early this year touring with Los Lobos.  X is headlining the Saturday show and opening the Friday show for the Wolves.
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Caught them in SLO a few years ago and they still got it.

John Doe and his backing band played a gig in Bakersfield many years ago and Tanner and I got to meet him between sets. Nice guy.

 
dickey moe said:
Caught them in SLO a few years ago and they still got it.

John Doe and his backing band played a gig in Bakersfield many years ago and Tanner and I got to meet him between sets. Nice guy.
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That seems to be the case with long career performers in general. 

We occasionally encounter bad attitudes when chatting with young bands but I think guys like John who've been at it for 40 years :shock: either actually like their audience or realize faking it is a smart career move.  That's more important than ever because working musicians depend on touring much more than record sales nowadays.  If you treat your fans like crap they won't buy tickets the next time.

 
Grease (Original Movie Soundtrack) (1978)

Grease- Frankie Valli

Summer Nights- John Travolta & Olivia Newton-John

Hopelessly Devoted to You- Olivia Newton-John

You’re the One That I Want- John Travolta & Olivia Newton John

Sandy- John Travolta

Beauty School Dropout- Frankie Avalon

Look At Me, I’m Sandra Dee- Stockard Channing

Greased Lightnin’- John Travolta & Jeff Conaway

It’s Raining On Prom Night- Cindy Bullens

Alone At a Drive In Movie- James Getzoff

Blue Moon- Sha Na Na

Rock ‘N’ Roll Is Here to Stay- Sha Na Na

Those Magic Changes- Sha Na Na

Hound Dog- Sha Na Na

Born to Hand Jive- Sha Na Na

Tears on My Pillow- Sha Na Na 

Mooning- Cindy Bullens & Louis St. Louis

Freddie My Love- Cindy Bullens

Rock ‘N’ Roll Party Queen- Louis St. Louis

There Are Worse Things I Could Do- Stockard Channing

Look At Me, I’m Sandra Dee- Olivia Newton-John

We Go Together- John Travolta & Olivia Newton-John

Love Is a Many Splendored Thing-James Getzoff

Grease (Reprise)- Frankie Valli

I was in middle school in 1978 (or junior high school as we called it then.) Grease canes out during the summer before 8th grade. But I hadn’t seen it for whatever reason. As I got on the school bus for the first day in September, the driver was playing the album, and to my astonishment all of the kids were singing along: they knew every line of most of the songs, particularly “Summer Nights”. I never forgot that. Grease, like Star Wars and a few other films from that era, was as much a cultural event as a movie. 

The album  has a lot of Sha Na Na and other fillers but still has all of the essentials. 

 
Me, my brother, and a neighbor friend would slick our hair with Vaseline, dress up in white t-shirts and denim jeans, and record music videos of Greased Lightning on a super 8 video camera. 

Wore out the 2-record vinyl of Grease. Loved every song except for Beauty School Drop Out. 

 
I had the double album of Grease back in the 70s. I have the CD too.  I like lots of songs on the album. Rizzo's "There Are Worse Things I Could Do" is probably my favorite on the soundtrack.

 
Well this is kind of an embarrassing story looking back, but what the hell...

I was in elementary school during the Grease phenomenon. We has two singles from the Soundtrack “Grease” and “Summer Nights” that me and my sister would always play - record player was in my room. 

So I came home one day and Summer Nights was on and when it went right to the next song, I went nuts running in through the house screaming and jumping “We got the album. We got the album”.

Can’t remember the last time I’ve seen the film or listened to any of the songs - and really have little desire to - but this did bring back memories.

 
I took this album in the '70s draft we did with Tim. He said he never wanted to hear it again after his daughter's production of it. I remember that. 

This album rules. It's just double gatefold front to back awesomeness. I love it. My favorite songs are/were "Summer Nights" and "Greased Lightnin'," though others go for the title. Just a fantastic piece of artistic play/musicianship. 

What songwriters!  

 
Whoever produced it got good vocal performances out of ONJ and Travolta. I don't typically care much for "musical" type of songs but I do like a few of these.

 
Cream- Disraeli Gears (1967)

Strange Brew

Sunshine of Your Love

World of Pain

Dance the Night Away

Blue Condition

Tales of Brave Ulysses

SWLABR

We’re Going Wrong

Outside Woman’s Blues

Mother’s Lament

This is the first of the 3 Clapton albums we will be discussing. Disraeli Gears represented a fusion between psychelic and blues rock. Clapton, Ginger Baker, and Jack Bruce were possibly the first rock supergroup. There are some great songs here, particularly “Tales of Brave Ulysses”, and “Sunshine of Your Love”, featuring that timeless opening guitar riff. 

 
My first introduction to Cream was John Bender air-guitaring "Sunshine of Your Love" in The Breakfast Club... followed by the great line, "Oh ####!!! What are we supposed to do if we have to take a piss?!"

Only to learn that that guitar riff was an actual song by a band called Cream. You could say that was one of several introductions to my love for the 60's and 70's rock and roll era of music.

 
Tom Skerritt said:
My first introduction to Cream was John Bender air-guitaring "Sunshine of Your Love" in The Breakfast Club... followed by the great line, "Oh ####!!! What are we supposed to do if we have to take a piss?!"

Only to learn that that guitar riff was an actual song by a band called Cream. You could say that was one of several introductions to my love for the 60's and 70's rock and roll era of music.
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I never even noticed that, much less anything else. Breakfast Club ruled as a movie. Great John Hughes stuff. 

As far as Cream or Clapton, I fear I have little knowledge of either besides the riff to Sunshine.  

 
Probably the most important album of my life. Fourteen years old, voice beginning to crack, brain beginning to 'splode with concepts and ####, this record come along that i could hear the blues in, could hear the rock in, could hear the freaky stuff in and i just listened to it time after time after time. And sang along, that was important. Because i was losing my choirboy voice, i would cherrypick the lowest note in the numerous two-man harmonies between Bruce and Clapton as i sang. Harmonies had hitherto been something that cool bands did. All of sudden i was doing it and somehow understanding the math of the relationship between notes far more than i ever had in piano lessons and even started making my own harmonies to each solo lead voice and sometime even my own third part in their harmonies. Lotta squeakers & doinks, but still a blast. Then, just as i was beginning to play Disraeli Gears less than three times a day, I was introduced to psychedelics. And Tuesday's consecutive breakfast mulled knightly scream the bee. nufced

 
Tom Skerritt said:
My first introduction to Cream was John Bender air-guitaring "Sunshine of Your Love" in The Breakfast Club... followed by the great line, "Oh ####!!! What are we supposed to do if we have to take a piss?!"

Only to learn that that guitar riff was an actual song by a band called Cream. You could say that was one of several introductions to my love for the 60's and 70's rock and roll era of music.
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Of course, the most classic use of that guitar riff is not from that film, it’s from Goodfellas, in which an increasingly paranoid Robert DeNiro realizes he’s going to have to murder everyone who took part in the airport heist. 

 
Thanks for going with Disraeli Gears. Dig this album so much. “Dance The Night Away” is not as well known as other tunes in Cream’s repertoire, but among their very best IMO. Clapton has mentioned his clear influence of Roger McGuinn’s jingly jangly guitar sound here. And the Bruce/Clapton harmony is top shelf.

 
timschochet said:
Of course, the most classic use of that guitar riff is not from that film, it’s from Goodfellas, in which an increasingly paranoid Robert DeNiro realizes he’s going to have to murder everyone who took part in the airport heist. 
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Forgot that scene - then of course you have Clapton again with the coda to “Layla” when the murders actually occur.

Fun fact: I’m actually typing this on a Lufthansa flight about to take off as we speak.

 
I just thought about it. Diver Down is a great album. Forget the critics; this is what I say.  Little Guitars is a fantastic song going through my mind right now.  Pretty Woman is a fantastic cover. Señorita. 

 
rockaction said:
I just thought about it. Diver Down is a great album. Forget the critics; this is what I say.  Little Guitars is a fantastic song going through my mind right now.  Pretty Woman is a fantastic cover. Señorita. 
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Hang ‘Em High is my personal favorite from the album. Love Alex’s driving beat complementing  his bro’s wizardry.

 
Leroy Hoard said:
I would love to know the total sales figures on all the songs that he wrote.
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Barry Gibb was the writer for 4 consecutive #1 songs (the year was 1978): Staying Alive, Love Is Thicker Than Water (written for little bro Andy), Night Fever, If I Can't Have You (written for Yvonne Ellimann). No one had ever done that before, and no-one has ever done it since. Later in the year two more songs he wrote - Shadow Dancing and Grease - also became # 1 songs. I can't imagine any songwriter/musician ever had a bigger year than Barry Gibb had in 1978.

 
Gr00vus said:
Barry Gibb was the writer for 4 consecutive #1 songs (the year was 1978): Staying Alive, Love Is Thicker Than Water (written for little bro Andy), Night Fever, If I Can't Have You (written for Yvonne Ellimann). No one had ever done that before, and no-one has ever done it since. Later in the year two more songs he wrote - Shadow Dancing and Grease - also became # 1 songs. I can't imagine any songwriter/musician ever had a bigger year than Barry Gibb had in 1978.
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Barry Gibb was the ####, according to facts and taste; however suspect taste was. Alright! 

 
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rockaction said:
Barry Gibb was the ####, according to facts and taste; however suspect taste was. Alright! 
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I know at the time he was happening, and for a decent amount of time after, I really wanted to hate his stuff, and would cop to doing so publicly. But the truth is, it's mostly great pop stuff, and you can't really deny it if you're being honest with yourself. I'm a listener now, and that's o.k.

 
Gr00vus said:
Barry Gibb was the writer for 4 consecutive #1 songs (the year was 1978): Staying Alive, Love Is Thicker Than Water (written for little bro Andy), Night Fever, If I Can't Have You (written for Yvonne Ellimann). No one had ever done that before, and no-one has ever done it since. Later in the year two more songs he wrote - Shadow Dancing and Grease - also became # 1 songs. I can't imagine any songwriter/musician ever had a bigger year than Barry Gibb had in 1978.
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Yes, I read somewhere that he had to start farming songs out because there were too many for his own group to record at the time.

 
Gr00vus said:
I know at the time he was happening, and for a decent amount of time after, I really wanted to hate his stuff, and would cop to doing so publicly. But the truth is, it's mostly great pop stuff, and you can't really deny it if you're being honest with yourself. I'm a listener now, and that's o.k.
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Yeah, that's what I was getting at. Privately, we love disco.   

 
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