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Classic Album Discussion Thread: The Kinks-Lola Versus Powerman and the Moneygoround, Pt. 1 (2 Viewers)

I'm not much of a Pink Floyd fan, but I owned DSOTM in a few different configurations back in the day(s). Looking back, it was like owning Steve Miller's Greatest Hits or Hotel California or Back In Black - if you considered yourself a fan of guitar-based rock, you bought these no questions asked.

That said, DSOTM is kind of a ripoff. There are only 4 real songs on it and they've been hammered into our brains for 45 years. The rest of the record is an aural paper clip tying them together.

I'm much more a fan of Wish You Were Here. The title track is the closest they ever came to a soul song - one of my (many) lines in the sand on a record is "could Otis Redding have done well with this one?". 

I got tired of Waters' pessimistic-to-the-millionth-level crap pretty early on. To me, Pink Floyd is pretty good muzak if I don't pay too much attention.

 
DocHolliday said:
Just wanted to circle back and thank you for posting those earphone sites.  That was great info.  I placed an order for a couple of different earphones. 

Posts like that and this thread are what makes this place great even if it is rated PG-13 now. 
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What kind did you order?  :excited:

 
falguy said:
can we add Bob Seger's Old Time R&R to the list?
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I was going to reply that I still liked hearing most of the original list of overplayed songs but I'll change stations before the opening piano chords of the Seger song are finished.

 
Buzzbait said:
Love me some AC/DC & have seen them numerous times. If I never hear You Shook Me All Night Long again I'm not going to shed tears. 
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This x10.  

It's pushing the term "classic rock", but this is also a big reason why I hate Paradise City so much too.  

 
I'm a big fan of AC/DC but never really loved this song. I think it's always been my least favorite on the entire cd. I can skip that tune in 1 note...and i do.

 
Next up I offer the first of what may be several double albums (along with a few triple ones, but that comes later):

The Beatles, also known as "The White Album"- 1968

Side One

Back In the USSR

Dear Prudence

Glass Onion

Ob La Di Ob La Da

Wild Honey Pie

The Continuing Story of Bungalow Bill

While My Guitar Gently Weeps

Happiness Is A Warm Gun

Side Two

Martha My Dear

I'm So Tired

Blackbird

Piggies

Rocky Raccoon

Don't Pass Me By

Why Don't We Do It In the Road?

I Will

Julia

Side Three

Birthday

Yer Blues

Mother Nature's Son

Everybody's Got Something to Hide Except for Me and My Monkey

Sexy Sadie

Helter Skelter

Long Long Long

Side Four

Revolution # 1

Honey Pie

Savoy Truffle

Cry Baby Cry

Can You Take Me Back

Revolution # 9

Good Night

If not for the avant-garde, unlistenable "Revolution #9", this would be the perfect album- as it is, I'll put it up against any of the albums I have mentioned thus far and any I may select in the future. I don't know if its the greatest album of all time, but it certainly deserves consideration for that prize.  I was trying to think of my favorite moments but there are so many: probably "Dear Prudence",  "While My Guitar Gently Weeps" (featuring Eric Clapton on lead guitar) and "Blackbird" are right up there. For me, popular music simply doesn't get any better than those three songs.  But in truth there's not a lot of filler here. 

 
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timschochet said:
Next up I offer the first of what may be several double albums (along with a few triple ones, but that comes later):

The Beatles, also known as "The White Album"- 1968

Side One

Back In the USSR

Dear Prudence

Glass Onion

Ob La Di Ob La Da

Wild Honey Pie

The Continuing Story of Bungalow Bill

While My Guitar Gently Weeps

Happiness Is A Warm Gun

Side Two

Martha My Dear

I'm So Tired

Blackbird

Piggies

Rocky Raccoon

Don't Pass Me By

Why Don't We Do It In the Road?

I Will

Julia

Side Three

Birthday

Yer Blues

Mother Nature's Son

Everybody's Got Something to Hide Except for Me and My Monkey

Sexy Sadie

Helter Skelter

Long Long Long

Side Four

Revolution # 1

Honey Pie

Savoy Truffle

Cry Baby Cry

Can You Take Me Back

Revolution # 9

Good Night

If not for the avant-garde, unlistenable "Revolution #9", this would be the perfect album- as it is, I'll put it up against any of the albums I have noted this far and any I may select in the future. I don't know if its the greatest album of all time, but it certainly deserves consideration for that prize.  I was trying to think of my favorite moments but there are so many: probably "Dear Prudence",  "While My Guitar Gently Weeps" (featuring Eric Clapton on lead guitar) and "Blackbird" are right up there. For me, popular music simply doesn't get any better than those three songs.  But in truth there's not a lot of filler here. 
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I really like this album but it is not even the best Beatles album so no where close to goat.

 
rustycolts said:
I really like this album but it is not even the best Beatles album so no where close to goat.
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There's a great single LP in there surrounded by a number of experiments, filler and Ringo songs.

Rubber Soul and Revolver clocked in at 35 minutes each.  I'd be curious how people would choose to sequence White Album tracks into a 35 minute album.

 
Eephus said:
There's a great single LP in there surrounded by a number of experiments, filler and Ringo songs.

Rubber Soul and Revolver clocked in at 35 minutes each.  I'd be curious how people would choose to sequence White Album tracks into a 35 minute album.
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Its sprawling nature is the best thing about it. The White Album is an accidental dictionary of modern music. Just as Dylan showed us how the popular song can be personal and universal at the same time, this record showed us how many ways the popular song can be done. The genome for Americana, prog, metal, power ballads, 21st C indie rock and many other forms are in this double-helix of songsmanship, making it, if not the most densely enjoyable record of all time or even that of the artists, then the most incredible, important and necessary one.

 
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Eephus said:
There's a great single LP in there surrounded by a number of experiments, filler and Ringo songs.

Rubber Soul and Revolver clocked in at 35 minutes each.  I'd be curious how people would choose to sequence White Album tracks into a 35 minute album.
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Personally my favorite Beatles album is Magical Mystery Tour.  If I were to make a single LP out of The White Album I guess I would go with

1.Dear Prudence

2.Back in the USSR

3.While my Guitar Gently Weeps

4.Happiness Is A Warm Gun

5.Rocky Raccoon

6.Revolution #1

7.Savoy Truffle

8.Cry Baby Cry

9.Continuing Story Of Bungalow Bill

10.Don't Pass Me By

11.Birthday

I think that is just under 35

 
All I can say about this album is that it has a hand in possibly the best album of the aughts that was another process album that wikkid refers to. The Grey Album -- a mash up of the white album and Jay-Z's black album -- could be the finest thing I've heard from the hip hop genre. Dangermouse slayed it with that. Listening to Jay over While My Guitar Gently Weeps is a sick track, worthy of nothing but praise for what should have been a ####ty album, but was brilliant both in tempo and execution.

 
Here's my trimmed and re-sequenced 11 track, 35 minute version.  It's a quick and dirty cut because I could easily get obsessive over a silly exercise like this.

Side 1
Revolution #1
Helter Skelter
Dear Prudence
Happiness is a Warm Gun
Sexy Sadie

Side 2
While My Guitar Gently Weeps
Blackbird
Glass Onion
Savoy Truffle
Martha My Dear
I Will

The cut from 90 minutes to 50 was pretty easy but the last quarter hour of cuts was brutal.  I sacrificed some great stuff to keep the mix flowing.

 
The White Album is a really good collection of what are mostly solo songs by the chaps that made up the Beatles. 

It doesn't touch Abbey Road, Revolver or Sgt. Pepper, but it's still really good. 

 
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Its sprawling nature is the best thing about it. The White Album is an accidental dictionary of modern music. Just as Dylan showed us how the popular song can be personal and universal at the same time, this record showed us how many ways the popular song can be done. The genome for Americana, prog, metal, power ballads, 21st C indie rock and many other forms are in this double-helix of songsmanship, making it, if not the most densely enjoyable record of all time or even that of the artists, then the most incredible, important and necessary one.
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True love is viewing the flaws of your mate as virtues. 

 
Ghost Rider said:
The White Album is a really good collection of what are mostly solo songs by the chaps that made up the Beatles. 

It doesn't touch Abbey Road, Revolver or Sgt. Pepper, but it's still really good. 
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The white album isn't my favorite Beatles album either but it does contain many great songs.  I could listen to nothing but the Beatles and Zep for months straight and be totally happy.  

 
Eephus said:
Joe Mammy said:
From Wiki: 

The following is a table of songs recorded by the Beatles. There are a total of 305 songs listed on this page, with 69 of them being cover songs and 236 being original compositions.

Beatles Song List - undisputed modern Kings of composition
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@krista4 is going to rank them :thumbup:  
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I haven't read any of this thread, but I guess I'll catch up at least on the discussion of the White Album, since it's in the title and you called me out. ;)   I am indeed in the midst of ranking all of the Beatles songs, though I don't come up with >300 and definitely not the 69 covers listed.  I'm not sure where the disconnect is but will figure it out.

A few people in here might know I posted in the Beatles thread recently that I'd had it in my head to do this rank-ordering, and some folks encouraged me to do it and post in the FFA about it, which I will do.  But I'm doing it as a process.  Mr krista and I, because we are party animals, are spending our very limited time together listening through each album in order.  Not that I don't know all the songs, but I want to give them a real listen.  So when we have an hour together here or there, I play Beatles songs and rank them in tiers and write up my notes, and then when the song is over I ask Mr. krista for his opinion as well.  His opinion doesn't affect mine, but he's a lot smarter and funnier than I am, so it's a good time for me.

Anyway, we are currently 2/3 of the way through the White Album, and it. is. a. slog.  I love many of the individual songs, but trying to listen to it as a whole is much more difficult than I thought it would be, and more difficult than the prior albums.  My conclusion is that, while some of the songs are among my favorites, the album as a whole isn't.  And I feel like some of the songs are "filler," which is bizarre to think a 30-song album needs filler.

I'm going to read the rest of the comments about this now!

 
Eephus said:
There's a great single LP in there surrounded by a number of experiments, filler and Ringo songs.

Rubber Soul and Revolver clocked in at 35 minutes each.  I'd be curious how people would choose to sequence White Album tracks into a 35 minute album.
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Oh, like I needed another Beatles-related OCD task. :rant:  

 
rustycolts said:
I don't want to give people the wrong impression of me( was a long time ago ) but one word hallucinogenics.  Nothing makes a lasting impression like tripping your balls off for the first time in the back of a VW listening to Dark Side Of The Moon.  Not that I would recommend that for anyone now,but every time I hear money I think about that.  It may not be number 1 but it has to be right up there in the top 5.

Anyone ever try the Dark side of Oz thing?  Kind of interesting.
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Two trips I had.

1 - In my apartment in 1992 with my bandmates, candles lit all over the place....all lights out. Dark Side Of The Moon playing. Had opium and some kind pot to smoke as well to reel things in when needed. Majestic.

2- Tripped my balls off seeing Floyd in 1994 at the Big Sombrero in Tampa. One of the greatest nights of my life. Dark Side Of The Moon was set two.

Not my favorite album from them.....but when the mood strikes....I listen to that front to back on long drives.

Wish You Were Hear and Animals are my fav’s from those guys.

 
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KarmaPolice said:
The Beatles.   :X
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Wait, a guy calling himself "KarmaPolice," a song that begins with a play on the riff from Sexy Sadie, from the exact Beatles album in question, says this? :lmao:  

(Love you GB.)

ETA:  We'll set aside for the moment  all the interviews where Yorke mentions Happiness is a Warm Gun and others as his influences for OK Computer.

 
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rockaction said:
The Radiohead love is so strong around here. Oh, believe me, I get it. I've spent fifty plus dollars in records. But the Radiohead font is strong with this crew.  
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Says the guy who thinks Weezer walks on water....

;)

Cool cover of Toto or Asia or whatever. 

 
timschochet said:
I hate the sound of nails on a challboard. 

I very much like Radiohead. Not sure I’ve listened to them enough to love them. Interestingly enough, they kind of remind me of Pink Floyd (particularly the songs “Karma” and “Fake Plastic Trees”.

As for “Blinded by the Light” I absolutely love both versions: the Springsteen original and the Mandred Mann cover with spacey guitars. Am I supposed to be embarrassed about this? I’m not. 
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No, I'm embarrassed for you.  That Manfed Man song is brutal.  It hurts the ears.  When I start a thread on classic rock songs that need to be put out to pasture, that'll be the one that bats leadoff.

But it's cool you like it...everybody likes whatever it is they like.  I appreciate you being so vocal about it so I can discount your opinion on music moving forward.  Don't "get" Pink Floyd?  Cool....you like Manfred Man.  Emboldenes me in my musical taste further.

 
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krista4 said:
Wait, a guy calling himself "KarmaPolice," a song that begins with a play on the riff from Sexy Sadie, from the exact Beatles album in question, says this? :lmao:  

(Love you GB.)

ETA:  We'll set aside for the moment  all the interviews where Yorke mentions Happiness is a Warm Gun and others as his influences for OK Computer.
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:shrug:

I'm not dumb enough to say they didn't have talent or influence everybody after them, this is just one of those bands for me that don't click.  I have tried many many times, and for lack of a better word, the albums usually end up boring me.  

 
I just don't get how anyone cannot like the Beatles.  They were so far ahead of their time.  I mean they made music videos of Strawberry Fields and Penny Lane before anyone dreamed of MTV.

 
Eephus said:
Here's my trimmed and re-sequenced 11 track, 35 minute version.  It's a quick and dirty cut because I could easily get obsessive over a silly exercise like this.

Side 1
Revolution #1
Helter Skelter
Dear Prudence
Happiness is a Warm Gun
Sexy Sadie

Side 2
While My Guitar Gently Weeps
Blackbird
Glass Onion
Savoy Truffle
Martha My Dear
I Will

The cut from 90 minutes to 50 was pretty easy but the last quarter hour of cuts was brutal.  I sacrificed some great stuff to keep the mix flowing.
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Sorry for bumping my own post but I listened to the mix while walking the dog tonight.  I'd only listened to transitions when throwing the playlist together.

I realized I subconsciously segregated John and Paul on different sides of the record.

 
Eephus said:
Sorry for bumping my own post but I listened to the mix while walking the dog tonight.  I'd only listened to transitions when throwing the playlist together.

I realized I subconsciously segregated John and Paul on different sides of the record.
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Now that's funny.  I love your Side 1, by the way.  

 
rustycolts said:
I just don't get how anyone cannot like the Beatles.  They were so far ahead of their time.  I mean they made music videos of Strawberry Fields and Penny Lane before anyone dreamed of MTV.
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I can certainly see someone being tired of the Beatles and would listen to an argument about them being overrated.

But the Fab Four is nothing if not likable

 
Eephus said:
It's mostly John's.
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Well, yeah. :lol:

I guess we're talking albums rather than songs here, but a couple of thoughts on the record and your OCD experiment:

1.  Any trimming of the White Album that doesn't include I'm So Tired is dead to me.

2.  I'm interested in how people distinguish between Blackbird and Mother Nature's Son.  To me they're essentially the same song, placed 8-10 songs apart.  That's something that bothers me about this album - the cadence and sequencing.  Anyway, as between those two songs, it's hard to choose which I prefer, but everyone seems to love Blackbird but rarely mentions Mother Nature's Son.

 
Eephus said:
I can certainly see someone being tired of the Beatles and would listen to an argument about them being overrated.

But the Fab Four is nothing if not likable
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I just can't get the over rated thing.  I mean look what they were doing in the studio in the late 60s for goodness sake.  I mean it's not like it was high tech back then.

 
rustycolts said:
I just can't get the over rated thing.  I mean look what they were doing in the studio in the late 60s for goodness sake.  I mean it's not like it was high tech back then.
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It's not like that time frame of music was lacking in great artists and music though.  I will fully admit that it could just be a mental block and a weird instant rejection due to being tired of them being listed first for everything.  I don't hate them and do really like some songs, but given the choice there are so many other bands from that era that I would pick to listen to first. 

 
krista4 said:
Well, yeah. :lol:

I guess we're talking albums rather than songs here, but a couple of thoughts on the record and your OCD experiment:

1.  Any trimming of the White Album that doesn't include I'm So Tired is dead to me.

2.  I'm interested in how people distinguish between Blackbird and Mother Nature's Son.  To me they're essentially the same song, placed 8-10 songs apart.  That's something that bothers me about this album - the cadence and sequencing.  Anyway, as between those two songs, it's hard to choose which I prefer, but everyone seems to love Blackbird but rarely mentions Mother Nature's Son.
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I love both songs. 

 
General Malaise said:
No, I'm embarrassed for you.  That Manfed Man song is brutal.  It hurts the ears.  When I start a thread on classic rock songs that need to be put out to pasture, that'll be the one that bats leadoff.

But it's cool you like it...everybody likes whatever it is they like.  I appreciate you being so vocal about it so I can discount your opinion on music moving forward.  Don't "get" Pink Floyd?  Cool....you like Manfred Man.  Emboldenes me in my musical taste further.
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I think it’s Mann. And your opinion is kind of squirrely whirly. 

 
krista4 said:
Well, yeah. :lol:

I guess we're talking albums rather than songs here, but a couple of thoughts on the record and your OCD experiment:

1.  Any trimming of the White Album that doesn't include I'm So Tired is dead to me.

2.  I'm interested in how people distinguish between Blackbird and Mother Nature's Son.  To me they're essentially the same song, placed 8-10 songs apart.  That's something that bothers me about this album - the cadence and sequencing.  Anyway, as between those two songs, it's hard to choose which I prefer, but everyone seems to love Blackbird but rarely mentions Mother Nature's Son.
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Both valid points.  Thankfully I didn't put Blackbird and Mother Nature's Son back to back.

Resequencing albums is a fool's errand but the variety and richness of "The Beatles" makes it more plausible than for almost any other album.  Rockaction mentioned The Gray Album earlier.  Danger Mouse knows his samples and chose a perfect (and audacious) choice for his breakout mixtape.

 
timschochet said:
I love both songs. 
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:thumbup:   I do too.  Do you believe the story that Blackbird was in response to the civil rights movement in the US, though?  I kinda think no.  I don't think Paul mentioned it at all at the time but only started giving that story much later.  And for me, I like it better not as a "statement" song (whatever that statement might be) but as a bit of fabulous poetry.  "Blackbird, fly, into the light of the dark black night" is a gorgeous line.

 
I want to give a shout out to Julia too. In my younger days I once took LSD and listened to Julia about 20 times in a row. Great great song, 

 
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