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Classic Album Discussion Thread: The Kinks-Lola Versus Powerman and the Moneygoround, Pt. 1 (5 Viewers)

The two bands in my life that I really WANT to like but just don’t are Pink Floyd and Radiohead.  They both have a few songs that I’ll listen to but I just don’t “get” either of them.
The Bends is an amazing album and after that I never really got anything Radiohead did. 

Gotcha - makes sense and I know a lot of people who agree with you.  I would go the other way on this but don’t think it’s crazy.
And honestly, a lot of that is likely related to oversaturation of a lot of that classic rock music. I kind of wore it out in middle schoo-college. 

 
As for the White Album, I agree with many comments above. When I first got into the Beatles, this was probably my favorite album - loved the eclectic nature of it. But over time it was a bit uneven relative to most of their material. Some of the songs (Prudence, Onion, Weeps, Happiness, Blackbird) are among the best in their extensive catalog, but there are too many uneven moments compared to, say, Revolver, Rubber Soul or Abbey Road.

 
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As for the last several pages:

  • I agree with Tim on the Doors - a few memorable songs and that's it.  Don't get the love for them
  • Nugent  :X
  • As I already mentioned - Pink Floyd is one I really want to like but I just haven't been able to get in to them.  I plan to give them more of a chance this weekend
I've always been the type to listen to singles or playlists and not albums.  My reasons are simple - I like a variety of music, I never really got the idea of "taking the whole album in as one" and most importantly I was always a cheapskate growing up so I never bought albums in any form.  I think I've maybe purchased 5-6 cassettes/CDs/albums in my entire life.

Now, the Beatles - not much for me to say or add - they are the greatest band ever IMO.  If you told me I could only listen to one band for the rest of my life they would be the one.  Perfection.

 
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I never got into the Beatles. I recognize their place in music history of course. I owned a GH album that I played when I spent 2 days sleeping/recovering from freshman orientation. That's the extent of it. Just kind of found them a little boring I guess, though I'm sure the biggest part was just hearing them all the time growing up. I often see "Hey Jude" in the top 6-8 of all time greatest song lists that radio stations periodically play. I also remember all the comps when Oasis was a thing. Otherwise they have little place in my personal "book of life".

 
Great album, but not really classic rock. As Wikkid highlighted, it's an anthology of genres. I don't think I ever heard a White Album song on a classic rock station. Maybe back in the USSR or the version of Revolution that isn't actually on the album. 
You’ve never heard “While My Guitar Gently Weeps” on a classic rock station? 

 
I think my favorite cover of a Beatles song is Aerosmiths cover of Come Together.
Mine is Petty, Lynne and Prince doing My Guitar Gently Weeps.  
My kids (13 and 9 at the time) were on a Prince kick after his passing away. They'd heard a lot of his 80s hits and various radio tributes. Neither kid knew anything about Prince's rock bona fides -- both of them really dug Prince's guitar work on that video.

Also performing was Steve Winwood on keys, George Harrison's son Dhani on acoustic guitar, and I think the bassist and drummer were with Winwood's touring band.

 
Great album, but not really classic rock. As Wikkid highlighted, it's an anthology of genres. I don't think I ever heard a White Album song on a classic rock station.
Many classic rock stations have generally drifted away from 1960s material in the last 15 years or so. But when "classic rock" stations started identifying themselves as such in the late 1980s ... White Album tracks like "My Guitar Gently Weeps", "Birthday", "Helter Skelter", and "Back in the U.S.S.R." were radio-genre staples.

One Baton Rouge CR station I used to listen to in college used to play an entire Beatles album straight through every Sunday morning. That meant you'd catch the entire White Album straight through maybe 5 times a year.

 
Oh man, I needed this. There are relatively few covers of this song.

I'm happy to listen to any covers of any Beatles songs people want to suggest (you can PM if you don't want to clutter this thread).  The amount of time I'm putting into my eventual thread is astonishing and embarrassing. 
Here's a few I like:

You've Got To Hide Your Love Away

Across the Universe

In My Life

Golden Slumbers

Don't Pass Me By

I Wanna Be Your Man - (not technically a cover since it was given to them by McCartney/Lennon before the Beatles released their version)

I'm Down

 
Many classic rock stations have generally drifted away from 1960s material in the last 15 years or so. But when "classic rock" stations started identifying themselves as such in the late 1980s ... White Album tracks like "My Guitar Gently Weeps", "Birthday", "Helter Skelter", and "Back in the U.S.S.R." were radio-genre staples.

One Baton Rouge CR station I used to listen to in college used to play an entire Beatles album straight through every Sunday morning. That meant you'd catch the entire White Album straight through maybe 5 times a year.
This.

The guys in the shop at work listen to a classic rock station and the only 60s songs I ever hear anymore are "All Along The Watchtower", "Gimme Shelter", "Sympathy For The Devil", and a couple of Zep II cuts.That's it. I hear Nirvana and Soundgarden and their ilk more often than 60s songs out there. Even the 70s are starting to get winnowed out.

 
I've always been the type to listen to singles or playlists and not albums.  My reasons are simple - I like a variety of music, I never really got the idea of "taking the whole album in as one" and most importantly I was always a cheapskate growing up so I never bought albums in any form.  I think I've maybe purchased 5-6 cassettes/CDs/albums in my entire life.
Same here. If an album had three singles I liked -- or even two I REALLY liked -- I might have sprung for the entire cassette.

Otherwise, I'd either record onto blank tapes off of the radio :moneybag:  or record off of friends' 45s. Reducing the DJ chatter on homemade mix tapes was more art than science -- dudes would sometimes start talking 30 seconds before the end of songs :thumbdown:  

 
This.

The guys in the shop at work listen to a classic rock station and the only 60s songs I ever hear anymore are "All Along The Watchtower", "Gimme Shelter", "Sympathy For The Devil", and a couple of Zep II cuts.That's it. I hear Nirvana and Soundgarden and their ilk more often than 60s songs out there. Even the 70s are starting to get winnowed out.
Meant to add that, as Doug mentions, when the CR format first started, it was all 60s-mid 70s (with a couple of later things by legacy artists like Zep). There was nothing after 1980. And almost none of the acts that started in the later 70s (no Cars, etc...), except for a few of the arena rock guys (Boston, Foreigner, etc...)

 
Great album, but not really classic rock. As Wikkid highlighted, it's an anthology of genres. I don't think I ever heard a White Album song on a classic rock station. Maybe back in the USSR or the version of Revolution that isn't actually on the album. 
Dear Prudence - While My Guitar Gently Weeps - Blackbird are all played on Classic Rock stations semi-frequently as well and I'm sure a few others sneak in from time to time.

 
Dear Prudence - While My Guitar Gently Weeps - Blackbird are all played on Classic Rock stations semi-frequently as well and I'm sure a few others sneak in from time to time.
Fair enough. I don't recall them really being played around here. It's one of the reasons The White Album was one the last Beatles CDs I bought as a kid- I just didn't really recognize many (any?) of the songs from the radio. 

 
As for the White Album, I agree with many comments above. When I first got into the Beatles, this was probably my favorite album - loved the eclectic nature of it. But over time it was a bit uneven relative to most of their material. Some of the songs (Prudence, Onion, Weeps, Happiness, Blackbird) are among the best in their extensive catalog, but there are too many uneven moments compared to, say, Revolver, Rubber Soul or Abbey Road.
I've always been of the opinion that like many (not all) double albums would have been far better if edited down to one 45 minute disc.

I would keep your 5 + a few others and cut out the dreck like #9.

 
Fair enough. I don't recall them really being played around here. It's one of the reasons The White Album was one the last Beatles CDs I bought as a kid- I just didn't really recognize many (any?) of the songs from the radio. 
I will say that, at least on the local SE Louisiana CR stations ... Abbey Road was mined much more deeply: "Come Together", "Something", "Here Comes the Sun",     "You Never Give Me Your Money",     "She Came In Through the Bathroom Window", and "Golden Slumbers/Carry That Weight/The End" all got spun with frequency.

 
I will say that, at least on the local SE Louisiana CR stations ... Abbey Road was mined much more deeply: "Come Together", "Something", "Here Comes the Sun",     "You Never Give Me Your Money",     "She Came In Through the Bathroom Window", and "Golden Slumbers/Carry That Weight/The End" all got spun with frequency.
I always find it strange when stations will play just a clip from the Golden Slumbers medley rather than the whole shabang.

 
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Good god, the number of covers I've listened to so far is insane.  Songs I thought, "Well, no one would have covered this" have dozens of legitimate covers (by which I mean, not some dude strumming on YouTube).   Songs that are actually good have hundreds of legitimate covers.  And I haven't even gotten to Yesterday.
I have quite a collection of Beatles covers. Definitely over 5,000. Probably pushing 10.000. I admit I need therapy. 

 
It's very tough to come up to bat after the Beatles. What could possibly be next? Stones? Dave Clark 5? 

Maybe the best live album? Frampton Comes Alive? BOC On Your Feet or on Your Knees? Most live albums blow.

 
wikkidpissah said:
Dark Side lost the Floyd a good half its fans when it came out, considered by loyalists to be the greatest copout of all time.

I never had much use for them except that i was a special education aide in '72 and we discovered that we could use Meddle to tranquilize the autistics. But music was such a social thing then and Pink Floyd's twice-a-year concerts @ Boston's wonderful Music Hall were the HIGHlights of the Psychedelist calendar. I remember the Atom Heart Mother tour (highlighted by the band lining the concert hall 360° with speakers controlled by a silver stick on Richard Wright's keyboard bank, by which he made the activities in Alan's Psychedelic Breakfast cross back and forth thru the hall) which was so trippy that some yahoo fell out of the balcony and it took forever for help to arrive because everyone thought it was an effect.

But almost all those folk thought DSotM was a giant turdburger and became even more outraged to see the great unwashed seize upon it so. Just like i can tell if someone is a real Patriots fan if they know how little the city cared about them for the first 25 yrs of their existence, i know a true Floydster by their awareness of Dark Side's real place in their oeuvre.

ETA: Never having been terribly invested in the band, i like their psychedelic and rock phases equally well.
I dislike "loyalist fans" who whine when a group figures out a way to have commercial success. They appear to be more interested in being ahead of the crowd than they are in enjoying themselves. I guess that makes me part of the great unwashed.

Put me in with the  Wish You Were Here fans as Pink Floyd's best album. I also prefer Animals and The Wall.

 
I dislike "loyalist fans" who whine when a group figures out a way to have commercial success. They appear to be more interested in being ahead of the crowd than they are in enjoying themselves. I guess that makes me part of the great unwashed.
Deadheads freaked when "Shakedown Street" came out - "they've gone disco!". And went berserk when the Dead released "Touch Of Grey".......because they sold out, man.

I never understood that line of thinking. Especially in the Dead's case, as both of those records are among their best.

 
2.  I'm interested in how people distinguish between Blackbird and Mother Nature's Son.  To me they're essentially the same song, placed 8-10 songs apart.  That's something that bothers me about this album - the cadence and sequencing.  Anyway, as between those two songs, it's hard to choose which I prefer, but everyone seems to love Blackbird but rarely mentions Mother Nature's Son.
3 words - lull-a-by. if the Beatles taught us anything, it's that lullaby is a winning formula for popular songs. That's what elevates your coinflip here. Every band should have a lullaby.

On Beatles covers, if i ever get another arranger i'll record my R&B version of "And I Love Her" for you. I honestly believe, as do the few folks who've heard me do it live, that it's one of the best, which has a lot more to do with my take than my singing. It's just a whole nuther on the backbeat, without losing its Beatleness

 
wikkidpissah said:
I never had much use for them except that i was a special education aide in '72 and we discovered that we could use Meddle to tranquilize the autistics
And no one sings me lullabies
And no one makes me close my eyes
So I throw the windows wide
And call to you across the sky

 
3 words - lull-a-by. if the Beatles taught us anything, it's that lullaby is a winning formula for popular songs. That's what elevates your coinflip here. Every band should have a lullaby.

On Beatles covers, if i ever get another arranger i'll record my R&B version of "And I Love Her" for you. I honestly believe, as do the few folks who've heard me do it live, that it's one of the best, which has a lot more to do with my take than my singing. It's just a whole nuther on the backbeat, without losing its Beatleness
I'd love to hear it.

 
Deadheads freaked when "Shakedown Street" came out - "they've gone disco!". And went berserk when the Dead released "Touch Of Grey".......because they sold out, man.

I never understood that line of thinking. Especially in the Dead's case, as both of those records are among their best.
Some of my are old school Dead Heads but I can't remember any of them hating Shakedown Street. None have anything good to say about "Touch of Grey".

 
Here's a few I like:

You've Got To Hide Your Love Away

Across the Universe

In My Life

Golden Slumbers

Don't Pass Me By

I Wanna Be Your Man - (not technically a cover since it was given to them by McCartney/Lennon before the Beatles released their version)

I'm Down
I played that Johnny Cash one for Mr. krista a couple of weeks ago, and he called it "gruesome."  He might have meant that as a compliment, though.  Another good cover of that song is from...wait for it...Ozzy Osbourne.

 
I dislike "loyalist fans" who whine when a group figures out a way to have commercial success. They appear to be more interested in being ahead of the crowd than they are in enjoying themselves. I guess that makes me part of the great unwashed.

Put me in with the  Wish You Were Here fans as Pink Floyd's best album. I also prefer Animals and The Wall.
I agree with you, but music was as social as it was cultural 50 yrs ago (i cant believe i'm up to referring to semi-adult things in the half-century mode now). If you liked Beatles you had to hate Stones, if you liked soul you had to spit on Dylan etc etc. I remember having to hate the Who's "Tommy" because too many "know-nothing"s latched on to it. And the Floyd purists were sumn else - on the nites of their Music Hall concerts, there was fairly a parade of hippie vans on Rte 1 to Boston, each emitting a cloud of magic smoke at the Mystic River Bridge tollbooth. Floyd never would have existed without Syd nor made it to DSotM without those psycho-psychedels, so i never begrudge them their grudge.

 
Deadheads freaked when "Shakedown Street" came out - "they've gone disco!". And went berserk when the Dead released "Touch Of Grey".......because they sold out, man.

I never understood that line of thinking. Especially in the Dead's case, as both of those records are among their best.
What's ironic is that Shakedown now seems to be a huge fan favorite.

Regarding Touch of Grey, I think it was more about what the commercial success did to the scene.  Venues couldn't handle the amount of new fans that were showing up that didn't have tickets and were just there for the party.  Some cities put a ban on the band returning.  A lot of violence was happening, gate crashing, etc.

 
And no one sings me lullabies
And no one makes me close my eyes
So I throw the windows wide
And call to you across the sky
oh, the autistics used to frikkin zone to that album (mostly One Of These Days. or 'the blik song' as we used to call it). we, who in those veryvery early days of mainstreaming severely impaired kids - the model for IDEA a few yrs later - had virtually no idea what we were doing, used it therapeutically with the ones who had problems being touched because it made them so chill. i only did one school year as an aide, so i dont know if that ever became a thing.

 
I played that Johnny Cash one for Mr. krista a couple of weeks ago, and he called it "gruesome."  He might have meant that as a compliment, though.  Another good cover of that song is from...wait for it...Ozzy Osbourne.
Cash sounds like a really old man on that recording (he was) and his voice is a bit feeble - but I think that adds to it. I'd call it "haunting" which may mean the same thing to your husband.

 
Before I post the next album, a question: is everyone good with the frequency? Am I switching albums too soon? I’m not using a time limit; just trying to gauge when the discussion is ready to move on. But please let me know if you guys think that’s too quick. 

 
Before I post the next album, a question: is everyone good with the frequency? Am I switching albums too soon? I’m not using a time limit; just trying to gauge when the discussion is ready to move on. But please let me know if you guys think that’s too quick. 
I think the pace is fine - it's not like we can never discuss the Beatles again if you post an Eric Clapton record next.

 
Where is Born to Run on your list, Tim??
There’s no list. This isn’t a ranking. 

What I’m basically doing is recalling albums and songs from AOR that I think would be fun to discuss and that I have fond memories about and/or still listen to. 

I’ve done rankings before and I will do them again. I love rankings and list. But this is just a discussion. 

 
Yeah, not thinking you are doing a ranking, just thinking you have some albums lined up and was wondering if Born to Run will be showing up anytime soon as it is certainly a staple of the AOR classic rock genre.

 
Steve Miller Band-  Greatest Hits 1974-1978

Swingtown

Jungle Love

Take The Money and Run

Rock’n Me

Serenade

True Fine Love

The Stake

The Joker

Fly Like An Eagle

Threshold

Jet Airliner

Dance, Dance, Dance

Winter Time

Wild Mountain Honey

I chose a Greatest Hits album rather than any of their original recordings because in my experience, this is what everybody I knew owned. These guys were a hits band and not an album band (though in their early days, much like Fleetwood Mac, they were a pretty damn good blues band, and had some great songs not included here like “Space Cowboy” and “Kow Kow Calqulator”) 

There tends to be two opinions about Steve Miller- either you found his songs to be filler on the radio and you basically waited for them to be over so you could get to the REAL artists (Pink Floyd, Stones, Zep, etc), or you liked these songs for what they were: fun rock and roll with pop sensibilities, nothing serious, but highly enjoyable. I’m defintely in the latter group. My favorite is Jet Airliner, which is actually a cover, but I love almost all of it. 

 
Just saw Steve Miller and Peter Frampton in concert last month. Miller can still bring it at age 74.

Was never a huge fan of his other than his early days at Fillmore West.

That greatest hits album was a mainstay of every college keg party though.

 
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