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Classic Album Discussion Thread: The Kinks-Lola Versus Powerman and the Moneygoround, Pt. 1 (3 Viewers)

Seems like a lot of splitting hairs here on what is classic rock, which has no true definition. Best determination I can think of these days is that if the artist gets played on SiriusXM’s Classic Vinyl, Classic Rewind, or Deep Tracks channels, count it.

 
This thread is making me realize how lucky I was to remember when these albums were released. Yeah, Bat out of Hell was cool but Van Halen's debut? I hate the term but...game changer. Like nothing else around. They went big time and pop too big for my liking soon after but damn were they a breath of fresh air. Changed the landscape and set the bar high.

 
I don't consider VH to be classic rock but that isn't really important.  The debut album is fantastic and my favorite VH album.   Fair Warning is number two but it does contain my favorite VH song and my favorite VH guitar riff.  Unchained.  At least that is my favorite VH song most of the time.  I'm moody.  

 
DocHolliday said:
I don't consider VH to be classic rock but that isn't really important.  The debut album is fantastic and my favorite VH album.   Fair Warning is number two but it does contain my favorite VH song and my favorite VH guitar riff.  Unchained.  At least that is my favorite VH song most of the time.  I'm moody.  
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I ####### love Fair Warning, with no denunciations."Unchained, ya ya hit the ground running."

 
timschochet said:
Not a ranking. I’m just bringing up whatever albums I think would be interesting to discuss. Sure I could stick to the “greatest albums of all time” list, and in fact I’ve already included several of those, but personally I thought it would be just as interesting to also discuss albums that were big hits but that wouldn’t be on that list (though a lot of people do, in fact, regard Bat Out Of Hell as one of the Great albums.) 

Im sorry you don’t like Meat Loaf or Steve Miller. I do. What can’t be denied is that both were very significant to the era and Music this thread is supposed to be about. 
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I know you're not ranking. You're just bringing out the trash too early.

 
In fifth grade music class we had to do a Pantomime. Me and two of my buddies did ice cream man. I'm probably biased but was probably one of the best ever.

Now summertime's here babe, need somethin' to keep you cool
Ah now summertime's here babe, need somethin' to keep you cool
Better look out now though, Dave's got somethin' for you
Tell ya what it is
I'm your ice cream man, stop me when I'm passin' by
Oh my my, I'm your ice cream man, stop me when I'm passin' by
See now all my flavors are guaranteed to satisfy
Hold on a second baby
I got good lemonade, ah, dixie cups
All flavors and push ups too
I'm your ice cream man, baby, stop me when I'm passin' by
See now all my flavors are guaranteed to satisfy
Hold on, one more
Well, I'm usually passin' by just about eleven o'clock

H huh, I never stop, I'm usually passin' by, just around eleven o'clock
And if you let me cool you one time, you'll be my regular stop
All right boys
I got good lemonade, ah, Dixie cups

I'll flavors and push ups too
I'm your ice cream man, stop me when I'm passin' by
See now all my flavors are guaranteed to satisfy
Yes I'm your ice cream man, stop me when I'm passin' by
I'm your ice cream man, stop me when I'm passin' by
They say all my flavors are guaranteed to satisfy
Ah, one time
I'm your ice cream man, stop me when I'm passin' by
I'm your ice cream man, stop me when I'm passin' by
They say all my flavors are guaranteed to satisfy
One time, boys
I'm your ice cream man
I'm your ice cream man
Be-be-be-be-be-be-be-baby
Ah my, my, my
All my flavors are guaranteed to satis-uh-fy
Ow

 
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Van Halen was pure fun. I agree they changed everything, in some ways not for the better because the imitators came so short. I have a few memories but in line with 5th graders doing Ice Cream Man, I had the pleasure of raising a little girl without influences other than mine. Poor kid was indoctrinated into my music from a very very young age. When she was in the 2nd grade I found a great live video of Running and sat her down, introduced her to the band with the basics and let the video run. She was mesmerized by DLR. When he finished she looked at me and said, "Daddy, are you sure Elvis is the King of Rock and Roll?" It's one of my all time favorite questions from her. 

She's 19 now. A college student home for the summer determined to have a career in the music business. She taking all the right classes and boldly pursuing it. Three nights ago she was in the gym at Beverly Hills High until 3am working with the production crew on a Brock Hampton video. Her boyfriend is in the vid. She's been interning with a post production editor for two days. Wth, she got this. I'm proud and jealous and she's never been happier.

 
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audiophile said:
:goodposting:    I was just formulating a Bat Out of Hell response, only to come back to the thread and find out we’ve already moved on to Van Halen.
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I’m sorry about that. There were other posts asking me to move on. It’s hard to know when to go to the next one. 

If you have any thoughts on Bat Out of Hell please let us know. I’m going to change the 1st post to a list of Albums and songs discussed. 

 
AAABatteries said:
I play Paradise by the Dashboard Lights about once a month to belt out “if I had to spend another minute with you I don’t think that I could really survive” when my wife is around.  She LOVES it.  

And that’s literally the only Meatloaf song I’ve listened to in 20 years
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Last time I listened to Meatloaf, he was making very crappy picks in a high stakes fantasy baseball league we were both in.  Never could listen to him. Miller I can listen to.

 
"Van Halen" is the best debut of all time. It's so good that the outtakes could have been a top-10 album all on their own:

"Babe Don't Leave Me Alone" 
"She's The Woman" 
"Let's Get Rockin'" 
"House Of Pain" 
"Big Trouble" 
"Put Out The Lights"
"Get The Show On The Road" 
"I Wanna Be Your Lover"
"We Die Bold" 
"Light In The Sky"

I don't disagree that Van Halen was "party rock", but it was one helluva party. They were the best rock band in America from 1978-1985.

And yeah you can dismiss the Sammy years if you want, but the the peak stuff with Sammy was still better than what most of their contemporaries were putting out.

 
Nothing to add to the Meatloaf discussion, other than I found it interesting that at a wedding reception I attended in Cleveland once, when Paradise by the Dashboard Lights came on, everyone ran to the dance floor and lined up in two rows, men facing the women, and sang the different parts of the song to each other. My wife and I had never seen anything like this.  I guess it was a Cleveland thing?

Interesting tidbit on VH's first album cover,

 
Meatloaf:  Paradise by the Dashboard Light was the closing song at the main bar at college, so that always hits me everytime I hear it.  

Van Halen debut:   One of the few albums you never had to skip a song. Diver Down, while not the best, will always be remembered for a kid in my middle school sneaking his cassette tape into the classroom player. It was Catholic school, so it did not go well for him but the rest of us loved it.  

 
Proud Daddy in the musical realm yesterday with my 3 year old daughter.  I had been listening to the same CD in the car the last couple days, and sometimes I yammer on about songs assuming it's all going over her head.  On the way back from a family party I switch back to the radio for a bit and hear from the back seat:  

"Daddy, where the piggy, dog, and sheep songs go?  I like that Pink Floyd music."   :lol:

 
KarmaPolice said:
Proud Daddy in the musical realm yesterday with my 3 year old daughter.  I had been listening to the same CD in the car the last couple days, and sometimes I yammer on about songs assuming it's all going over her head.  On the way back from a family party I switch back to the radio for a bit and hear from the back seat:  

"Daddy, where the piggy, dog, and sheep songs go?  I like that Pink Floyd music."   :lol:
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Roger Waters has written so many great lyrics over the years, but it doesn't get much better than Dogs.  :bow:   :bow:

 
Stuart Ullman said:
Ah, might as well jump
(Jump)
Might as well jump
Go ahead an' jump (jump)
Go ahead and jump
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I was driving around with two buddies on the 4th of July sometime in the 90s and some rock station was doing their Top 250 rock songs of all time - a very rock station thing to do - “Jump” came in at No. 16, I was flabbergasted and turned to my two buddies in disgust saying “Jump

isnt even the 16th best Van Halen song.”

 
shuke said:
Nothing to add to the Meatloaf discussion, other than I found it interesting that at a wedding reception I attended in Cleveland once, when Paradise by the Dashboard Lights came on, everyone ran to the dance floor and lined up in two rows, men facing the women, and sang the different parts of the song to each other. My wife and I had never seen anything like this.  I guess it was a Cleveland thing?

Interesting tidbit on VH's first album cover,
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That guy/girl thing with Paradise is pretty much everywhere.

Interesting story on the VH debut album cover. I forgot that Uncle Miltie’s nephew Marshall Berle was the original manager of VH. Also managed Spirit and Ratt - the connection to the latter got Uncle Miltie into the video for “Round and Round”.

 
Dr. Octopus said:
I was driving around with two buddies on the 4th of July sometime in the 90s and some rock station was doing their Top 250 rock songs of all time - a very rock station thing to do - “Jump” came in at No. 16, I was flabbergasted and turned to my two buddies in disgust saying “Jump

isnt even the 16th best Van Halen song.”
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I remember that fateful day in 1984 when MTV had its world premiere of the video, to much fanfare.

It was a shock to the system of many of us hard core VH fans. Fortunately the rest of the 1984 album was pretty solid.

 
Chaos Commish said:
Van Halen was pure fun. I agree they changed everything, in some ways not for the better because the imitators came so short. I have a few memories but in line with 5th graders doing Ice Cream Man, I had the pleasure of raising a little girl without influences other than mine. Poor kid was indoctrinated into my music from a very very young age. When she was in the 2nd grade I found a great live video of Running and sat her down, introduced her to the band with the basics and let the video run. She was mesmerized by DLR. When he finished she looked at me and said, "Daddy, are you sure Elvis is the King of Rock and Roll?" It's one of my all time favorite questions from her. 

She's 19 now. A college student home for the summer determined to have a career in the music business. She taking all the right classes and boldly pursuing it. Three nights ago she was in the gym at Beverly Hills High until 3am working with the production crew on a Brock Hampton video. Her boyfriend is in the vid. She's been interning with a post production editor for two days. Wth, she got this. I'm proud and jealous and she's never been happier.
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Not to sidetrack the thread, but have a HS senior interested in the same, so welcome your input. Feel free to message if you are willing.

 
I don't have many feelings one way or the other about  Bat Out Of Hell, other than it wasn't as far away from the guy's early music it was parodying as some Bruce fans would like to think. The biggest difference, to me, was that E Street was miles better as a band.

As for Van Halen, it's a fine debut. Someone above mentioned how influential it was, for better or worse. I think it was "for worse". That's not VH's fault but Eddie's playing ruined guitar soloing for about three generations.

The songs themselves are good, IMO, with the exception of "Running With The Devil". It sounded good when it came out, but nowadays it sounds like sludge to me. It's like EVH is playing in one speed (fast), DLR is singing at another(mid-tempo), and the bass/drums are on quaaludes (slooooooooowwwwwww). Doesn't work and makes Bad Company sound like a thrash band in comparison.

 
Eephus said:
Here's my trimmed and re-sequenced 11 track, 35 minute version.  It's a quick and dirty cut because I could easily get obsessive over a silly exercise like this.
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In regard to the The White Album, there are many songs I like on it, but I have always listened to side one and two way more than three and four. To do your exercise Eephus mine would look like this, and it clocks in at 36 minutes.

Side One

Revolution 1

Glass Onion

Dear Prudence

Martha My Dear

The Continuing Story of Buffalo Bill

Side Two

While My Guitar Gently Weeps

Happiness is a Warm Gun

Helter Skelter

I'm so Tired

Blackbird

Rocky Raccoon

 
I love the Sticky Fingers album. LIB is my favorite Stones album, but Sticky Fingers is right behind it. Can't You Hear Me Knocking is my favorite song off the album.

 
zamboni said:
I remember that fateful day in 1984 when MTV had its world premiere of the video, to much fanfare.

It was a shock to the system of many of us hard core VH fans. Fortunately the rest of the 1984 album was pretty solid.
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Jump was the first VH song I ever heard (unless MTV played something by them in 1982-1983 and I simply overlooked it or have no memory of it) and I thought it was great.  And I still do.  I get why the heads of existing fans would have exploded, seeing VH writing a synth-driven pop song, but it was sure catchy and remains a classic to this day, although it seems like over time, Panama has become THE definitive Van Halen song. 

 
Catching up some more, I think Dark Side of the Moon is a very good album. There is a lot of soothing music in it. I have never liked the song "Money" for whatever reason. My favorite song on the album is "Brain Damage." Led Zeppelin ll is a great album. As for LZ ripping off songs, I think everyone in the music business has recycled in some way from being influenced, and you especially hear it through the blues, which LZ was heavily influenced by.

 
jamny said:
Is there a way to have Spotify sort a band's catalog starting from their oldest releases first?
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I'm not sure. I hit that cube looking icon on the right where the word "Albums" is on the left. That just gives you the pictures of all the albums from most recent to oldest without listing all the songs, and you pick which album you want to listen to.

 
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simey said:
I'm not sure. I hit that cube looking icon on the right where the word "Albums" is on the left. That just gives you the pictures of all the albums from most recent to oldest without listing all the songs, and you pick which album you want to listen to.
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Ilov80s said:
On my phone, when I to a band and then click "See All Albums", it lists them from newst to oldest.
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I can sort by album on my phone but don't see a way on my desktop. Don't see that cube looking icon. Even in Album sorting, that's a lot of scrolling for the Stones. :D

 
jamny said:
I can sort by album on my phone but don't see a way on my desktop. Don't see that cube looking icon. Even in Album sorting, that's a lot of scrolling for the Stones. :D
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On the desktop, search for The Rolling Stones, Top result shows The Rolling Stones and click that. Scroll down to where you see Albums (under Merch). Straight across from the word Albums you will see on the right side a menu looking icon of three lines and then a cube looking icon beside that. Click the cube.

 
Big Blue Wrecking Crew said:
Not to sidetrack the thread, but have a HS senior interested in the same, so welcome your input. Feel free to message if you are willing.
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I'll pm some general details about the program she's pursuing, but she has a few advantages. Los Angeles itself is one. Two cousins nearby with many years combined experience in The Industry (film and music) is another. One internship was pure nepotism. Things like the BrockHampton video shoot require her to go after it, but the leads are coming from the cousins.

 
Moving in a very different direction: 

David Bowie: The Rise and Fall of Ziggy Stardust and the Spiders from Mars

Side One

Five Years

Soul Love

Moonage Daydream

Starman

It Ain’t Easy

Side Two

Lady Stardust

Star

Hang on To Yourself

Ziggy Stardust

Suffragette City

Rock and Roll Suicide

The ultimate glam rock album- David Bowie’s crowning achievement (though the album that directly precedes this one should be considered as well, and we will later on.) I don’t think there’s a weak song here. Personal favorite is probably Lady Stardust. It’s really quite paradise. 

 
One of the best albums of the 70's, which is really saying something when you consider how many great albums that decade produced. Bowie is pretty hit or miss for me (the hits really hit me hard and the lows make me want to never listen to them again), and Ziggy Stardust is the highest high; it pretty much knocks it out of the park on every single song.  I went through a spell after his death a few years back where I was literally listening to it every day to and from work for like a month straight; I couldn't get enough of it.  And the great for me personally is that because Bowie was never an artist I considered a favorite, I never overplayed any of his material, so every time I listen to the stuff by him I really like, it still sounds really fresh, even Ziggy Stardust after playing the crap out of it a few years back, as mentioned above.  I'll have to bust this one out later today. :cool:  

 
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Love Ziggy - great from start to finish. And Ronson’s outro solo on Moonage Daydream is the stuff of legends. My personal favorite is Starman.

 
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zamboni said:
My personal favorite is Starman.
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In the middle of the film The Martian Starman is played from start to finish (which I think must be kind of unusual). My daughter, who was 12 at the time, turned to me and said “I’ve never heard this, who is it? What a great song!” That was a magical moment for me. 

 
timschochet said:
In the middle of the film The Martian Starman is played from start to finish (which I think must be kind of unusual). My daughter, who was 12 at the time, turned to me and said “I’ve never heard this, who is it? What a great song!” That was a magical moment for me. 
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IIRC, also the opening theme to the too short lived series Life on Mars (US version).

 
Stuart Ullman said:
Ow got it bad, got it bad, got it bad,
I'm hot for teacher
I got it bad, so bad,
I'm hot for teacher
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Typical Eminence.

Doesn’t quote from the right album. 

Quotes the most inane lyrics from the two songs everybody knows. 

Even so, I’m glad you’re enthused about the thread.  :thumbup:

 
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