Classic Album Discussion Thread: The Kinks-Lola Versus Powerman and the Moneygoround, Pt. 1 (2 Viewers)

[Jefferson the Caregiver]

I largely look at the glam metal era as a whole lot of garbage.   I pretty much realized it at the time but it's easier to see now.  That being said, Motley Crue was one of the only standouts of that era.  Shout at the Devil holds up fine for what it is. It's fun, not to be taken seriously metal with some good hooks.  

The only other band that did it better was Guns N Roses, at least Appetite for Destruction holds up well too.

 

[DocHolliday]

Agree on this - I like the rawness of TFFL versus the more polished SATD.

That said. SATD holds a lot of great memories in the heavy metal wave that was taking place circa 1983. This, Pyromania, Metal Health, Piece of Mind,  and a few other big time metal albums were dominating the scene that year. 

The early heavy metal time period was a glorious time to be a young rebellious teen.  It was a new, fun sound full of energy.  Shout was a great album and I loved it in the 80s.  I wore the cassette out.  But, I don't listen to it much theses days.  When I am in the mood for crue, I go for the much better too fast for love.  

 

[Zegras11]

Gave Pet Sounds a listen.  I don’t get it.  God Only Knows is probably a top 50 song ever for me.  Wouldn’t It Be Nice and Sloop John B pretty good. Otherwise, a big meh from me. 

I did the same and had the same results.

 

[Maik Jeaunz]

"Shout At The Devil" is such a lame title. Like something a Simpsons writer would come up with to parody a Christian rock band.

Yeah, what are they shouting about? “Hey! HEY! I see you, devil! That’s MY newspaper! Yeah, you better run!”

 

[Ghost Rider]

Hair rock was always very hit or miss for me, despite growing up in the 80's and watching a ton of MTV.  I liked a few songs by Motley Crue, none from this album, but I don't revisit them anymore, ever. 

 

[timschochet]

Bob Marley & The Wailers- Legend (1984)

Is This Love

No Woman, No Cry

Could You Be Loved

Three Little Birds

Buffalo Soldier

Get Up, Stand Up

Stir It Up

Easy Skanking

One Love/People Get Ready

I Shot the Sheriff

Waiting in Vain

Redemption Song

Satisfy My Soul

Exodus

Jamming

Punky Reggae Party

I wrote earlier that it was my intention not to select any more compilation albums, but there are going to have to be some exceptions, and this is easily one of them, because if you have owned or listened to a Bob Marley record in your life, it’s almost for sure this one. It’s not only the most famous reggae album of all time by a large margin, it’s also the second best selling album of all time, after Dark Side of the Moon. 

Its not without controversy. Critics argue that it’s an attempt to sanitize Marley for a mostly American audience. Songs that expressed his political and social radicalism are not here, and what is left are his love songs and more optimistic tunes. This is a similar argument to those who correctly point out that children are taught to sing only the first verse of Woody Guthrie’s “This Land Is Your Land”, with the latter verses which espouse socialism neatly excised. 

Nonetheless, this is a pretty brilliant collection of songs. 

 

[shuke]

A staple at house parties in college.  Brings back a lot of memories.  

 

[Dr. Octopus]

His Live! album is my favorite but of course I've owned and listened to Legend 100s of times. Contrary to the above blurb I have listed to his other albums as well but I agree that Legend is the classic here and most people's exposure to Marley.

He was a bridge to reggae for non-fans and did it better than anyone else. He truly is a Legend. Me and my friends always joked how cool it would have been if he was still alive and sitting in the stands while his son, Rowan, played at the University of Miami.

While I was at Seton Hall, his other son, Ziggy, came and played and it was a pretty glorious event. It was pretty crazy to see historic Walsh Gym layered in clouds of smoke - they didn't even try and fight it, in fact we smoked a joint with a campus security guard at the event, albeit that one was outside of the arena.

I have also seen the Wailers (sans Bob and Bunny of course) playing at small clubs down the Jersey shore - and while it was fun, it was obviously the Wailers in name only.

 

[zamboni]

Can't go wrong with Legend. Every tune is great and memorable. Just wish they had also included Positive Vibration on it as well.

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

Let them all pass all their dirty remarks 
There is one question I'd really love to ask 
Is there a place for the hopeless sinner
Who has hurt all mankind just to save his own beliefs?
 

Poignant now as ever, in our political climate.

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

There ain't no hiding place, from the Father of Creation.

 

[psychobillies]

I've always found Bob Marley to be the one artist that just about everybody likes.  Doesn't matter what age someone is or what they generally like to listen to whether it be rock, metal, jazz, rap.  For some reason, everyone is always happy with Marley.  I can't think of another artist that is so universally appreciated.

 

[rockaction]

I've always found Bob Marley to be the one artist that just about everybody likes.  Doesn't matter what age someone is or what they generally like to listen to whether it be rock, metal, jazz, rap.  For some reason, everyone is always happy with Marley.  I can't think of another artist that is so universally appreciated.

And let me be that guy. Boring white frat kid rock or earth to the hearth stupidity. Love me some Prince Buster, but not Marley. 

 

[dutch]

I've always found Bob Marley to be the one artist that just about everybody likes.  Doesn't matter what age someone is or what they generally like to listen to whether it be rock, metal, jazz, rap.  For some reason, everyone is always happy with Marley.  I can't think of another artist that is so universally appreciated.

Slim Whitman

 

[rockaction]

Slim Whitman

 

[psychobillies]

And let me be that guy. Boring white frat kid rock or earth to the hearth stupidity. Love me some Prince Buster, but not Marley. 

Well, I stand corrected.

 

[Uruk-Hai]

Boring white frat kid rock or earth to the hearth stupidity. 

I think the first part of that sentence is a projection in the context of the fans you've run across and not the music itself (which certainly wasn't made with white frat boys in mind). Of course, we all do that to one extent or another - I do it with jazzbos. That doesn't mean we have to like the music, but I find it helpful when I recognize I'm screwing around and conflating outside experiences with the thing itself.

I don't know what the second half means.

Reggae, to me, is a lot like bluegrass - I can't take endless, uninterrupted hours of it. Marley was different for me because he made music more like a rock/soul artist.

 

[Mike Damone]

Reggae, to me, is a lot like bluegrass - I can't take endless, uninterrupted hours of it. Marley was different for me because he made music more like a rock/soul artist

Last month I was at a resort in Jamaic & had 10 days straight of nothing but reggae. Loved it

 

[rockaction]

I think the first part of that sentence is a projection in the context of the fans you've run across and not the music itself (which certainly wasn't made with white frat boys in mind). Of course, we all do that to one extent or another - I do it with jazzbos. That doesn't mean we have to like the music, but I find it helpful when I recognize I'm screwing around and conflating outside experiences with the thing itself.

I don't know what the second half means.

Reggae, to me, is a lot like bluegrass - I can't take endless, uninterrupted hours of it. Marley was different for me because he made music more like a rock/soul artist.

I think you're absolutely right Uruk, and I do like Marley. That's not sarcasm. I just hate the "projection in the context of fans" I've run across. That's a great way to put it, and thank you for saying so. Spot-on, my friend.  

 

[Uruk-Hai]

Semi-Hipple on the last couple of albums that interest me:

I think @timschochet did the right thing throwing The Band's first two albums out there together. You could shuffle songs between the two and not know you're listening to songs from different LPs. In fact, The Band didn't really "grow" or change during their short run, but a lot of that is because they arrived fully-formed in their best selves. These two albums were their Exile On Main Street, except they didn't have to mature to get there.

Pet Sounds (along with What's Going On)may be the best sounding Boomer album of all time. 

 

[simey]

I love the Legend album. It reminds me of so many great times. It really showcases Bob and his band's vibe, which is a good one. My favorite song on the album changes all the time.

 

[Ilov80s]

I love the Legends album. It reminds me of so many great times. It really showcases Bob and his band's vibe, which is a good one. My favorite song on the album changes all the time.

That was a regular every summer for all my teen and college years. Love it.

 

[The General]

He has so much great music. Legend just gives a tiny taste. Love Bob, everyone knows him but he is still underrated. 

 

[rockaction]

Pet Sounds (along with What's Going On) may be the best sounding Boomer album of all time. 

I agree. What's Going On sounds masterful, as does Pet Sounds. I own one on vinyl, will keep looking for the other. Just gorgeous.

 

[timschochet]

Jimmy Buffett- Changes in Latitudes, Changes in Attitudes (1977)

Changes in Latitudes, Changes in Attitudes

Wonder Why We Ever Go Home

Banana Republics

Tampico Trauma

Lovely Cruise

Margaritaville

In the Shelter

Miss You So Badly

Bixoli

Landfall

Jimmy Buffett has basically stuck with one theme (“I’m drunk and lost somewhere in a Carribean beach town, and I’m looking for love!”) for over 4 decades and managed to parlay it into hundreds of millions of dollars and an absolutely dedicated, near fanatical fan base that sell out his every performance. This is his most famous album, the one with the song that everybody knows (although the title song is also quite famous among Buffett fans, and is the name of the nightclub/restaurant Jimmy owns in Las Vegas). 

 

[rockaction]

I got liquor sick on a handmade Margaritaville blanket once. The sickness was the problem -- the blanket, a recipient. #####. 

 

[Redwes25]

You can’t mess with a great theme (drunk and in the Caribbean) which just feels right in the summer. Also a great concert. His music is groundbreaking or significant but it has its place. This album is a representative as it goes. 

 

[Uruk-Hai]

Jimmy Buffett- Changes in Latitudes, Changes in Attitudes (1977)

Changes in Latitudes, Changes in Attitudes

Wonder Why We Ever Go Home

Banana Republics

Tampico Trauma

Lovely Cruise

Margaritaville

In the Shelter

Miss You So Badly

Bixoli

Landfall

Jimmy Buffett has basically stuck with one theme (“I’m drunk and lost somewhere in a Carribean beach town, and I’m looking for love!”) for over 4 decades and managed to parlay it into hundreds of millions of dollars and an absolutely dedicated, near fanatical fan base that sell out his every performance. This is his most famous album, the one with the song that everybody knows (although the title song is also quite famous among Buffett fans, and is the name of the nightclub/restaurant Jimmy owns in Las Vegas). 

I mean, you can't even attack any of his records. Dude has been doing the same thing for 45 years, has millions of fans that'll follow him into the pits of hell, and it's made him richer than God. Who's wrong?

When you grow up in a waterfront town with tons of bars, you'll hear this record until you want to puke (I was 15 when this came out and working in one of those bars; that bar still has this on the jukebox). Buffett knows his strengths, plays to them, and is a good bandleader/singer. 

The title song is my favorite from this album. "Come Monday" is the song of his I like the best.

 

[simey]

I think Changes in Latitudes, Changes in Attitudes is a great album.  All of the songs are good on it, and the lesser known songs are as good as the two hits from the album. I love his cover of Steve Goodman's "Banana Republics".  

 

[timschochet]

I mean, you can't even attack any of his records. Dude has been doing the same thing for 45 years, has millions of fans that'll follow him into the pits of hell, and it's made him richer than God. Who's wrong?

When you grow up in a waterfront town with tons of bars, you'll hear this record until you want to puke (I was 15 when this came out and working in one of those bars; that bar still has this on the jukebox). Buffett knows his strengths, plays to them, and is a good bandleader/singer. 

The title song is my favorite from this album. "Come Monday" is the song of his I like the best.

I’ve always liked Come Monday. 

 

[timschochet]

I wanted to mention that Lahaina has a restaurant called, of course, “Cheeseburgers in Paradise”. I don’t think Buffett owns it- there may have been a lawsuit that was settled some years back. 

Anyhow, it featured one of the best hamburgers I’ve ever eaten. With sweet Maui onion rings. 

 

[Uruk-Hai]

I think Changes in Latitudes, Changes in Attitudes is a great album.  All of the songs are good on it, and the lesser known songs are as good as the two hits from the album. I love his cover of Steve Goodman's "Banana Republics".  

You alright down there after the storm?

 

[Epic Problem]

I'll refrain from commenting on the music itself since it's not really my thing, but I have to give credit where credit is due. His fans adore him and its resulted in an amazing amount of success for a singer / songwriter.  Its to the point that the guy's even coming out with his own branded retirement communities. 

 

[Uruk-Hai]

I’ve always liked Come Monday. 

IIRC, that was released before the album you posted and before Buffett ossified into what he became afterwards.

I actively hate very few songs, but "Fins" is one that makes me want to murder people/places/things.

I also NEVER need to hear people shouting "Salt! Salt! Salt!" ever, ever again.

 

[simey]

You alright down there after the storm?

Yes, but Michael wreaked more havoc in my area than Florence. Florence was never ending rain for days, and it rained hard yesterday, but the winds were stronger here with Michael (70 mph), and knocked out power for thousands, and brought down trees and power lines. I imagine some of the tree roots were already loosened from Florence, and Michael knocked them down. I have power, but other family members don't. 

 

[simey]

I'll refrain from commenting on the music itself since it's not really my thing, but I have to give credit where credit is due. His fans adore him and its resulted in an amazing amount of success for a singer / songwriter.  Its to the point that the guy's even coming out with his own branded retirement communities. 

Jimmy played at my University back in the mid 80s, and I remember him saying, "Hell, If I knew I was going to be this popular now, I would have taken better care of myself." Little did he know he was going to get a lot more popular in the years to come. 

 

[worrierking]

Buffett went from hip rebellious underground beach-dwelling ne'er-do-well to a corporation and he lost any cool factor he may have once had.  The music ultimately is still pretty good and I still like it.  He's only occasionally great, but that's fine.

 

[timschochet]

I actively hate very few songs, but "Fins" is one that makes me want to murder people/places/things.

That may be the one his fans love the best. 

 

[Uruk-Hai]

That may be the one his fans love the best. 

God Bless 'em. 

I think most of his stuff is - at worst - harmless. But "Fins"' melody is like chewing aluminum foil to me and the damned chorus never ends.

 

[glvsav37]

Buffett went from hip rebellious underground beach-dwelling ne'er-do-well to a corporation and he lost any cool factor he may have once had.  The music ultimately is still pretty good and I still like it.  He's only occasionally great, but that's fine.

He can buy all the cool he needs now...dude is a money machine. IDK how much more cool you need to get other then playing sold out concerts worldwide while barefoot, in his 70s, while other bands of his generation have long since fizzled out or playing local carnivals. And when not touring, he's living a beach life that would make anyone envious  

IDK if he needs to be 'great' anymore. His music has so much staying power in the loyal fans and just as part of beach life schtick that his legacy is all but cemented in. Plus, he gets to stay somewhat relevant to non-hard core fans by partnering up with hot current talent like Zac Brown and releasing duos from time to time. 

 

[timschochet]

He can buy all the cool he needs now...dude is a money machine. IDK how much more cool you need to get other then playing sold out concerts worldwide while barefoot, in his 70s, while other bands of his generation have long since fizzled out or playing local carnivals. And when not touring, he's living a beach life that would make anyone envious  

IDK if he needs to be 'great' anymore. His music has so much staying power in the loyal fans and just as part of beach life schtick that his legacy is all but cemented in. Plus, he gets to stay somewhat relevant to non-hard core fans by partnering up with hot current talent like Zac Brown and releasing duos from time to time. 

Yeah, that Zac Brown song “Toes” has got to be the most Buffett like song I have ever heard not from Buffett. 

 

[Zegras11]

Tied with Foreigner for the artist I insta change on the radio due to overplay. 

 

[Dr. Octopus]

I wanted to mention that Lahaina has a restaurant called, of course, “Cheeseburgers in Paradise”. I don’t think Buffett owns it- there may have been a lawsuit that was settled some years back. 

Anyhow, it featured one of the best hamburgers I’ve ever eaten. With sweet Maui onion rings. 

I think it's a chain - there used to be one by my workplace. Good burgers. I thought he was a part owner, but maybe I just assumed that.

 

[Jaysus]

Did anyone make a Pina COlada joke yet?

/Sunny

 

[simey]

Buffett went from hip rebellious underground beach-dwelling ne'er-do-well to a corporation and he lost any cool factor he may have once had.  The music ultimately is still pretty good and I still like it.  He's only occasionally great, but that's fine.

Jimmy donated the entirety of his Margaritaville Estate, which includes all of the affiliated bars and grills, to the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation. He also has his Singing for a Change Foundation. He makes millions, but he gives back too.

 

[glvsav37]

Jimmy donated the entirety of his Margaritaville Estate, which includes all of the affiliated bars and grills, to the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation. He also has his Singing for a Change Foundation. He makes millions, but he gives back too.

 

[jerry jones]

I think it's a chain - there used to be one by my workplace. Good burgers. I thought he was a part owner, but maybe I just assumed that.

He sold his interest in the chain a couple years back 

 

[jerry jones]

This album was made during the Fingers Taylor era, his harmonica is what makes these songs have a soul...in the 80’s they had a falling out. Since then his music incorporates a sax in place of harmonica, totally different sound. (Fingers has on a occasion been known to show up and join the band for a night here and there). 

Listen to the live album “You has to be there” it captures the Buffett sound that all us parrot heads became enthralled with. 

Son of a Son of a Sailor or Coconut Telegraph are better albums 

 

[jerry jones]

Jimmy donated the entirety of his Margaritaville Estate, which includes all of the affiliated bars and grills, to the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation. He also has his Singing for a Change Foundation. He makes millions, but he gives back too.

Ummm...you may have seen that on a joke webpage? 

I found one with that exact quote and if you continue to read the story it also has this gem: 

The 950-acre Margaritaville Estate will be used by the Gates Foundation as a "Club Med for those stricken with leprosy and other telegenic diseases." This is the largest donation of a song-based location since Funky Town was donated to the Red Cross during the 1970s as a refugee camp for fleeing Vietnamese boat people. 

AND

In a press statement released yesterday, the Gates Foundation said this "act of philanthropy would ensure that the poor of the world would have equal access to olives and complimentary bar peanuts" and that "it is essential for a human to not be forced into drinking second-class alcohol. Melinda and I will not rest until every person on this planet can choose freely between Bacardi and Captain Morgan's. To deny anyone this choice is to deny them basic human dignity."

 

[Gee Spot]

Grew up listening to this when my parents played it all summer so love Buffett.  One of my favorite childhood memories is when "Why don't we get drunk and screw" (I know not on this album) was blasting in my parents backyard party and my 7 year old self yelled as loud as I could to my dad "Hey dad, what does screw mean?".  Tons of drunken laughter and the look on my dads shocked face was priceless and grew into a big smile.  He jokingly told me to ask my mother.

Also used to see him doing free concerts after minor league baseball games so at the time, I don't think he was rolling in money but I respected he was out playing his music.

Miss you dad!!