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Classic Album Discussion Thread: The Kinks-Lola Versus Powerman and the Moneygoround, Pt. 1 (1 Viewer)

Having multiple songwriters in a band is a major asset. You get the best from each with little filler. Plus it gives you less repetition of the same style. 

 
Shrugs said:
I've never owned a Fleetwood Mac album. Growing up, the 90s is when I bought almost all of my albums, and I knew of Fleetwood Mac then and liked songs like Rhiannon and Landslide, but they weren't really my style as a harder rock fan. As I got older, I kept realizing more and more songs I had heard and liked were Fleetwood Mac, discovering the diversity of the band, the different iterations, and all the tension in the lyrics hidden by catchy melodies that make it one of the most remarkable bands of all time. When someone here says he's never heard Rhiannon, then of course he's heard it, I bet if he went through Fleetwood Mac's catalog he would find a bunch of other songs he didn't know were Fleetwood Mac and realize that he likes quite a few of them. I agree about Christine as the weak link, but have come to understand that she does add something to the band, and I like You Make Loving Fun. Oh, and happy to say I saw them live about a year and a half ago, when they were still Fleetwood Mac, because I don't think Fleetwood Mac exists without Buckingham, even though I know they did exist before him.
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Christine was the best part for me. Her songs are my favorites by far.

 
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Fleetwood Mac is something I'll listen to when the wife is in the car, since she doesn't like it when I play Tool.  I don't dislike it, but probably wouldn't play it on my own

 
A Christmas Gift for You from Phil Spector (1963)

White Christmas (Darlene Love)

Frosty the Snowman (The Ronettes) 

The Bells of St Mary (Bob B. Soxx & The Blue Jeans) 

Santa Claus is Coming to Town (The Crystals) 

Sleigh Ride (The Ronettes) 

Marshmallow World (Darlene Love) 

I Saw Mommy Kissing Santa Claus (The Ronettes) 

Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer (The Crystals) 

Winter Wonderland (Darlene Love) 

Parade of the Wooden Soldiers (The Crystals) 

Christmastime (Baby Please Come Home) (Darlene Love) 

Here Comes Santa Claus (Bob B. Soxx & The Blue Jeans) 

Silent Night (Phil Spector, Darlene Love, Bob B. Soxx & The Blue Jeans, The Crystals, The Ronettes)

Widely considered the greatest Christmas record of all time, and why not? Darlene Love, The Crystals, The Ronettes- this is classic music. What’s not to like? 

 
What else is even in the conversation for best Christmas album? I can’t think of anything that touches creepy Phil’s album.

 
Ilov80s said:
Yeah that’s fantastic. Bing Crosby album is fantastic too. Although Bing is a compilation so not sure if that counts. 
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Bing is the other one I thought of. I didn’t consider Charlie Brown. 

My folks had the Carpenter’s Christmas which I remember very fondly, but I don’t know how popular it was. 

 
Ilov80s said:
What else is even in the conversation for best Christmas album? I can’t think of anything that touches creepy Phil’s album.
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Speaking of creepy Phil, in another thread I linked an Ike and Tina song that Phil produced. Talk about her surviving a couple of nutcases.

 
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timschochet said:
Bing is the other one I thought of. I didn’t consider Charlie Brown. 

My folks had the Carpenter’s Christmas which I remember very fondly, but I don’t know how popular it was. 
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My folks played the heck out of the Carpenters Xmas album growing up and I still enjoy it a ton today.   

 
timschochet said:
A Christmas Gift for You from Phil Spector (1963)

White Christmas (Darlene Love)

Frosty the Snowman (The Ronettes) 

The Bells of St Mary (Bob B. Soxx & The Blue Jeans) 

Santa Claus is Coming to Town (The Crystals) 

Sleigh Ride (The Ronettes) 

Marshmallow World (Darlene Love) 

I Saw Mommy Kissing Santa Claus (The Ronettes) 

Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer (The Crystals) 

Winter Wonderland (Darlene Love) 

Parade of the Wooden Soldiers (The Crystals) 

Christmastime (Baby Please Come Home) (Darlene Love) 

Here Comes Santa Claus (Bob B. Soxx & The Blue Jeans) 

Silent Night (Phil Spector, Darlene Love, Bob B. Soxx & The Blue Jeans, The Crystals, The Ronettes)

Widely considered the greatest Christmas record of all time, and why not? Darlene Love, The Crystals, The Ronettes- this is classic music. What’s not to like? 
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Forget the "Christmas" disclaimer. You can make a really good case that this is the great rock-and-roll album ever. Throw out the holiday context, this record does everything rock is supposed to do.

 
Cat Stevens- Tea for the Tillerman (1970)

Where Do the Children Play? 

Hard-Headed Woman

Sad Lisa 

Wild World

Miles from Nowhere

But I Might Die Tonight

Longer Boats

Into White

On the Road to Find Out

Father and Son

Tea for the Tillerman

Yet another legendary album from the golden age of the singer-songwriters. The future Yusuf Islam delivers one classic song after another, with no filler, amazing melodies and lyrics. So much great material here that it’s hard for me to choose favorites, though if pressed I guess I’d go with “Where do the Children Play?”, “Wild World”, and “Into White”- but “Father and Son” may have the most poignant lyrics on the record. A+ music here. 

 
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Great album - Cat at his best IMO. “Where Do The Children Play” and “Father and Son” alone make this album.

 
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love Cat Stevens.  my favorites from this album are Father and Son and Miles From Nowhere but can play this album all the way through without even thinking of hitting the skip button

 
The Bangles- Different Light (1986)

Manic Monday

In a Different Light

Walking Down Your Street

Walk Like An Egyptian

Standing in the Hallway

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If She Knew What She Wants

Let It Go

September Gurls

Angels Don’t Fall In Love

Following 

Not Like You

OK let’s get this out of the way first- Susanna Hoffs was (is) sexy as hell. But even beyond that, this is some really good music. Like The Go-Gos, The Bangles were an LA based power pop girls group, but more influenced by folk rock like The Byrds, Fairport Convention, and Big Star (this record includes a fine cover of “September Gurls”). Beyond the wonderful hits “Egyptian” and “Manic Monday” (written by Prince) there are gems on this record such as “Walking Down Your Street”, “Following”, and my favorite Bangles song, “If She Knew What She Wants”. Good stuff. 

Did I mention that Susanna Hoffs was (is) sexy as hell? 

 
timschochet said:
The Bangles- Different Light (1986)

Manic Monday

In a Different Light

Walking Down Your Street

Walk Like An Egyptian

Standing in the Hallway

Return Post

If She Knew What She Wants

Let It Go

September Gurls

Angels Don’t Fall In Love

Following 

Not Like You

OK let’s get this out of the way first- Susanna Hoffs was (is) sexy as hell. But even beyond that, this is some really good music. Like The Go-Gos, The Bangles were an LA based power pop girls group, but more influenced by folk rock like The Byrds, Fairport Convention, and Big Star (this record includes a fine cover of “September Gurls”). Beyond the wonderful hits “Egyptian” and “Manic Monday” (written by Prince) there are gems on this record such as “Walking Down Your Street”, “Following”, and my favorite Bangles song, “If She Knew What She Wants”. Good stuff. 

Did I mention that Susanna Hoffs was (is) sexy as hell? 
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Great album as it has a lot of their best songs. Following is one that it rarely heard but a very good song.

 
For me a classic album is any recording from the past that a lot of people really liked (usually myself included or it probably won’t show up here.) 

I should really come up with a longer more precise definition but that’s basically it. 

 
Just Win Baby said:
clas·sic

/ˈklasik/

adjective

1. 

judged over a period of time to be of the highest quality and outstanding of its kind.

"a classic novel"

synonyms:definitive, authoritative; More
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OK. 

Now go to the OP. Which albums that I have chosen do you think clearly don’t fit that definition? 

 
Bangles?  Classic album?  Seriously?  What's her face gets a nod for being cute and all that but is anything the bangles did seriously considered classic?  I mean, technically, a Ford Pinto or a Chevy Chevette are classic cars because they meet the age requirements but just because they sold a lot of them, I don't think anyone would put the Pinto or the Chevette in the same league as a Mustang or Chevelle, you know?  

 
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Sullie said:
Bangles?  Classic album?  Seriously?  What's her face gets a nod for being cute and all that but is anything the bangles did seriously considered classic?  I mean, technically, a Ford Pinto or a Chevy Chevette are classic cars because they meet the age requirements but just because they sold a lot of them, I don't think anyone would put the Pinto or the Chevette in the same league as a Mustang or Chevelle, you know?  
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The album made several lists of the 100 best albums of the 1980s, top 10 best albums of 1986, etc. It is not Revolver, but it is a classic of the time period and genre. Furthermore people remember it (perhaps the best indicator.) 

 
I didn’t want to limit this list to albums that the critics regard as the greatest of all time. We’ve covered a lot of those, and eventually we might get to all of them, but I also wanted to discuss albums and bands that people remember fondly: so The Violent Femmes. Cyndi Lauper. Sublime. Foreigner. And the Bangles. And there will be much more of this. 

 
timschochet said:
I didn’t want to limit this list to albums that the critics regard as the greatest of all time. We’ve covered a lot of those, and eventually we might get to all of them, but I also wanted to discuss albums and bands that people remember fondly: so The Violent Femmes. Cyndi Lauper. Sublime. Foreigner. And the Bangles. And there will be much more of this. 
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Gotcha, it's your thread but I would rename it "Classic albums. . . and drek that sold in high volume like the bangles." :)  I'm really just kidding around about it man, it's not horrible or anything, it's not classic to me either but who gives a crap what I think? :)  

Cheers Tim, carry on.

 
If She Knew What She Wants is my favorite Bangles song, too, aside from their cover of Hazy Shade of Winter off of the Less Than Zero soundtrack.  

 
timschochet said:
The Bangles- Different Light (1986)

Manic Monday

In a Different Light

Walking Down Your Street

Walk Like An Egyptian

Standing in the Hallway

Return Post

If She Knew What She Wants

Let It Go

September Gurls

Angels Don’t Fall In Love

Following 

Not Like You

OK let’s get this out of the way first- Susanna Hoffs was (is) sexy as hell. But even beyond that, this is some really good music. Like The Go-Gos, The Bangles were an LA based power pop girls group, but more influenced by folk rock like The Byrds, Fairport Convention, and Big Star (this record includes a fine cover of “September Gurls”). Beyond the wonderful hits “Egyptian” and “Manic Monday” (written by Prince) there are gems on this record such as “Walking Down Your Street”, “Following”, and my favorite Bangles song, “If She Knew What She Wants”. Good stuff. 

Did I mention that Susanna Hoffs was (is) sexy as hell? 
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She still is.  Loved her voice too. 55 years old in that pic.  :wub:

 
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AAABatteries said:
Ok, I was fine with The Bangles entry and I’m fine with saying their cover is pretty good but to say it blows away the Simon and Garfunkel version is just sacrilege. Come on Tim.
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I agree with Tim. The dynamics are much brighter. S&G's, while very good, sounds muddled to me.

 
Uruk-Hai said:
I agree with Tim. The dynamics are much brighter. S&G's, while very good, sounds muddled to me.
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Blows it away?  I just listened to them back to back on my Echo - The Bangles version is a little more dynamic but it isn't better (IMO) and no way do it blow anything away.

 
timschochet said:
Just Win Baby said:
clas·sic

/ˈklasik/

adjective

1. 

judged over a period of time to be of the highest quality and outstanding of its kind.

"a classic novel"

synonyms:definitive, authoritative; More
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OK. 

Now go to the OP. Which albums that I have chosen do you think clearly don’t fit that definition? 
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I'm not going to invest that much time.

First off, you have included a number of greatest hits albums, which don't really make sense in a topic like this IMO. They are compilations, not classic albums.

Second, I'm not familiar with maybe 10% of your choices, give or take. That makes me immediately skeptical that all of them are true classics, but I can't know for sure.

Removing those albums I mentioned above from consideration, I would say between 25% and 50% of the rest you have listed are not classics IMO. It's your thread, but IMO you have taken a lot of liberty in the use of the term classic. It would be more appropriate to have called this thread Albums Tim has liked a lot during his life or something similar.

 
AAABatteries said:
Blows it away?  I just listened to them back to back on my Echo - The Bangles version is a little more dynamic but it isn't better (IMO) and no way do it blow anything away.
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Oh, I don't think it "blows it away" - just that it's clearly a better record to my ears. The problem with both versions is the lack of bottom (snicker), but The Bangles' version feels a little more substantial in the rhythm parts than S&G's does. S&G has that problem with a lot of their 60s stuff, though. Plus - and I don't know how much artificial help either group had on their recordings of this song - I think The Bangles vocals work a little better here.

I don't think they're better overall than S&G, just that they made a more exciting recording of this particular song.

 
Uruk-Hai said:
Oh, I don't think it "blows it away" - just that it's clearly a better record to my ears. The problem with both versions is the lack of bottom (snicker), but The Bangles' version feels a little more substantial in the rhythm parts than S&G's does. S&G has that problem with a lot of their 60s stuff, though. Plus - and I don't know how much artificial help either group had on their recordings of this song - I think The Bangles vocals work a little better here.

I don't think they're better overall than S&G, just that they made a more exciting recording of this particular song.
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I took your post to mean you agreed with Tim that it blows it away.  Thinking it’s better is ok but they don’t really do much different with the song and it’s the freaking Bagles vs. one of the best duos all time.  Blows it away is nonsense. 

 
AAABatteries said:
I took your post to mean you agreed with Tim that it blows it away.  Thinking it’s better is ok but they don’t really do much different with the song and it’s the freaking Bagles vs. one of the best duos all time.  Blows it away is nonsense. 
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I'm not going to harp on Tim, but writing the song has to count for something. Without S&G, we're not even talking about comparing the two. 

I still think the Bangles version is good, but I'm not willing to call it better for that sole reason.  

 
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