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"Spurned by Cousins the Browns sign AJ McCarron to a four year deal worth 90 million" - which will turn out to be a three year deal at about 60.

Then draft a QB

So I agree with ghostguy

 
I've always been in the "Bridge QB, Draft a FQB" camp this offseason.  Smith was #1 on my wishlist, but McCarron (the FA, not the trade) was my #2.  Taylor is my #3.  I would rather see the Browns get a competent QB that can begin to establish that winning culture that is missing.  Find someone who can manage the game enough to maintain a lead and win.  A QB that the rookie can learn from and prepare for their time.  I'm not much of a "win-now" guy, but rather a "lets continue down the path we've started" kind of guy.  This team worked hard for the position they have found themselves in this off season.  They maintained the 2 year teardown, so now let's start the rebuild with the FA and Draft.  

I think McCarron will be a good QB to help right this ship in the short-term.  He may even surprise us and become that FQB we're looking for - but I don't think CLE needs to go into this relationship with that end goal in mind.  Draft Darnold or Mayfield in April, and let them sit for awhile.  I don't care if this becomes a Favre/Rogers scenario.  CLE has never had that luxury, and we have the cap space to do it now.  

How the next two months go will be very telling of this franchise's future.

 
Rich Passan - Sayonara to Bad Offense

Every week for 16 weeks last season, it was like Groundhog Day for the Cleveland offense. It was the same thing over and over and over with the same results. Jackson wore the same bewildered look on his face on weekly basis as his offense struggled.

He had no clue as to why the mistakes and losses piled up even though the answer was plainly evident. He tried to force-feed his stretch-the-field scheme to a group of players incapable of executing it effectively. It was a misfit from the start.
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“I’m not a system guy, so to speak,” he said. “What I believe in is playing to every player’s strength that you have as best you can. Putting players in position to succeed, playing to their skill set.”

How refreshing. Catering to the individual talents of the players he coaches. Actually giving them a chance to be successful.
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Peak said:
And your next CLE veteran QB has won his Arbitration Hearing.  McCarron will be a UFA as of March. 
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Honestly, I don't think signing McCarron and drafting a QB at 1 or 4 would be a bad strategy at all - provided of course McCarron's contract is reasonable and can be gotten out of easily in two years.

 
Dr. Octopus said:
Hprovided of course McCarron's contract is reasonable
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1-31

We want to get players for reasonable contracts, yet it is not reasonable to expect players to bother coming here.  

Getting out of the contract in two years should be something we can do, but we would have to give a lot of guaranteed money up front which will NOT seem reasonable at the time we sign him.

1-31.  100 million in cap space.  We havent had respectable QB play in 25+ years.  There is absolutely not need to make sure we sign a QB with a reasonable contract.  None.  Nun.

 
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ghostguy123 said:
1-31

We want to get players for reasonable contracts, yet it is not reasonable to expect players to bother coming here.  

Getting out of the contract in two years should be something we can do, but we would have to give a lot of guaranteed money up front which will NOT seem reasonable at the time we sign him.

1-31.  100 million in cap space.  We havent had respectable QB play in 25+ years.  There is absolutely not need to make sure we sign a QB with a reasonable contract.  None.  Nun.
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I don't think McCarron is going to be fighting off suitors throwing buckets of money at him and Cleveland could be his best chance to start and showcase himself. Just because you have a ton of cap space you shouldn't just give it away. Paying $31MM to McCarron would show the league Cleveland is still a laughing stock.

A three year $60MM which is really a two year $30-35MM is more than enough to get it done.

 
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I don't think there are many scenarios that would lead to a mid-season ouster, but a battle between Hue (McCarron) and the front office (#1 pick) if off to a slow start may do it.  So I'm all for it.  Win now or GTFO, Hue.

 
Dr. Octopus said:
I don't think McCarron is going to be fighting off suitors throwing buckets of money at him and Cleveland could be his best chance to start and showcase himself. Just because you have a ton of cap space you shouldn't just give it away. Paying $31MM to McCarron would show the league Cleveland is still a laughing stock.
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:goodposting:

This isn't a really good time to be a FA QB, unfortunately.  There is a surplus of serviceable QBs in the FA pool, not to mention 4-5 (maybe 6) good to decent options in the Draft.  If McCarron wants to start right away, he knows that CLE will be his best choice.  He's familiar with Hue and his offensive philosphy, and AJ should be hungry enough to pick up any adjustments made by Haley.  Anywhere else and McCarron will have to learn a brand new system forcing a learning curve.  In CLE, he can jump right into the water with a base understanding thus shortening his adjustment period.

Give AJ his "Let Me Prove It" deal - 3yrs, 30-35MM, and put the bonus/large portion in Year 1 while we have the money.  Getting about 10MM/year and the chance to start immediately should be enough to entice him.

 
Dr. Octopus said:
I don't think McCarron is going to be fighting off suitors throwing buckets of money at him and Cleveland could be his best chance to start and showcase himself. Just because you have a ton of cap space you shouldn't just give it away. Paying $31MM to McCarron would show the league Cleveland is still a laughing stock.

A three year $60MM which is really a two year $30-35MM is more than enough to get it done.
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McCarron is a reasonable target for the Browns.  Overpaying him a little and STILL drafting a QB #1 overall is a path to respectability. Anyone who thinks an elite player is going to commit career suicide and come to CLE at this point is in denial. 

Of wait there was that great K. Britt signing last year.. :wall:

 
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Dr. Octopus said:
A three year $60MM which is really a two year $30-35MM is more than enough to get it done.
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Well, yeah, I would sure hope it would be.  

I am saying do not be cheap when it comes to this.  60 million over 3 years wouldn't be cheap.  I would consider that overpaying for AJ, but I am ok with it if he is the guy Hue and Haley actually think will be good enough to win some games. 

Just don't dikk around when it comes to the QB this year.  

 
hoffman0001 said:
McCarron is a reasonable target for the Browns.  Overpaying him a little and STILL drafting a QB #1 overall is a path to respectability. Anyone who thinks an elite player is going to commit career suicide and come to CLE at this point is in denial. 

Of wait there was that great K. Britt signing last year.. :wall:
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The tables may be turning soon as far as that goes. I think Cleveland takes a substantial leap this year and might be an appealing spot for free agents soon. Big Ben is getting up in years.  This division is going to be up for grabs in the years to come. I'll be interested to see how they handle the QB situation. They've screwed it up terribly over the past few years. They need to hit on whoever they draft at QB in round one. And they should do everything in their power to get Barkley. If they don't have a gut feeling that any of this year's QB crop is a sure thing, take him at #1 and get your QB at 4. Barkley is also a great receiver. He's going to make any QB look better. And we all know that OC Haley (think LeVeon Bell) loves to make the RB a focal point in both the running and passing game. 

 
hoffman0001 said:
Oh I agree...they might make a huge leap, I'm thinking 3-13 which is a 300% improvement. CLE is the place that QB's go when they have no other choice and they are not smart enough to retire. 
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If you are gonna continue to try to be a funny smart ###, at least get the math right.  

 
Was stopping by to see what the vibe is on McCarron, that question has been answered. Seems like everyone is on board with him coming to CLE :thumbup:

My question now is, with the information released yesterday about Haley's involvement with the offense and having a voice in the chosing of the QB, do you think he fits with what Haley wants to do? I don't know so I'll hang up and listen to the eggspurts. TIA

PS - Don't feed the trolls

 
beer 30 said:
Was stopping by to see what the vibe is on McCarron, that question has been answered. Seems like everyone is on board with him coming to CLE :thumbup:

My question now is, with the information released yesterday about Haley's involvement with the offense and having a voice in the chosing of the QB, do you think he fits with what Haley wants to do? I don't know so I'll hang up and listen to the eggspurts. TIA

PS - Don't feed the trolls
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Our "on boardiness" might be a bit misleading.  It's more like he is the tallest midget sort of situation.

 
ghostguy123 said:
Our "on boardiness" might be a bit misleading.  It's more like he is the tallest midget sort of situation.
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Hey I was trying to be nice and give you 3 wins. I was thinking more like 2. This team is not "One QB away", by a long-shot. 

 
hoffman0001 said:
Hey I was trying to be nice and give you 3 wins. I was thinking more like 2. This team is not "One QB away", by a long-shot. 
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They have a ton of draft picks and some good young talent already on the roster. It's going to turn around. Not saying they're a playoff team next year, but I bet they are within three years. 

 
JuniorNB said:
They have a ton of draft picks and some good young talent already on the roster. It's going to turn around. Not saying they're a playoff team next year, but I bet they are within three years. 
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Well a guess when your used to 0-16 years, a three year turn around is interesting. Most  people don't like banging their head on the wall for 20+ years but hey that's just me :)

 
hoffman0001 said:
Yeah, I'm an idiot because I don't want to deal with a franchise that can't produce a winner....what an idiot I am.  :rolleyes:
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Please explain "I don't want to deal with".  Are you Kirk Cousins' agent? Who's asking you to deal with anything? You chose to come into a team thread just to make fun of the team. Are you unemployed? No friends?  Desperate for a reaction?  And I never named you. I said we get idiots in our team thread too. At least you're self-aware enough to realize that you were the one acting like an idiot.  No why don't you go into the team thread for whichever team you actually like and try to be productive?  I bet it will be much more rewarding than seeing if you can get reactions by being a tool. I wish you luck. 

 
JuniorNB said:
Please explain "I don't want to deal with".  Are you Kirk Cousins' agent? Who's asking you to deal with anything? You chose to come into a team thread just to make fun of the team. Are you unemployed? No friends?  Desperate for a reaction?  And I never named you. I said we get idiots in our team thread too. At least you're self-aware enough to realize that you were the one acting like an idiot.  No why don't you go into the team thread for whichever team you actually like and try to be productive?  I bet it will be much more rewarding than seeing if you can get reactions by being a tool. I wish you luck. 
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Let's recap...I simply state the fact that the team cannot produce a winner. You then call me an Idiot and a tool, and I'm the one that acting poorly? When ESPN or the NFL NETWORK report a team is performing poorly are they Idiots and Tools as well? 

 
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JuniorNB said:
They have a ton of draft picks and some good young talent already on the roster. It's going to turn around. Not saying they're a playoff team next year, but I bet they are within three years. 
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The Browns should be able to sneak into the playoffs in 2019.  The Browns should be improved a lot while the Steelers and Ravens will be old at QB or not have a QB like Cincy.  

I think with Haley on board, the chances of the Browns taking Barkley at 1.1 have improved.  I know that I just posted this same thought yesterday but the Browns are going to get a ton of young talent in this draft.  Things will be looking up for Browns fans shortly.    

 
beer 30 said:
Was stopping by to see what the vibe is on McCarron,
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Hue Jackson and Jimmy Haslam are in hug and willing to trade 2nd and 3rd round draft picks mid November vibe.

https://twitter.com/TheFantasyFive/status/934877926063005697?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fbrownswire.usatoday.com%2F2017%2F11%2F28%2Fhue-jacksons-pregame-embrace-with-a-j-mccarron-raises-eyebrows%2F

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https://brownswire.usatoday.com/2017/11/28/hue-jacksons-pregame-embrace-with-a-j-mccarron-raises-eyebrows/

....Jackson ran up to McCarron, who he coached with the Bengals, and gave him a giant clenching hug. McCarron was expecting the handshake but Hue would have none of that.

...Browns owner Jimmy Haslam followed Jackson in greeting the would-have-been Cleveland quarterback.

After the game, Jackson again sought out McCarron for another hug, 
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The failed deal cost the GM his job.

The owner who hired the new GM and the coach who sought out Haley like A.J. and hold more juice than Haley.

If Vegas has a betting line bet that we are going to sign A.J. McCarron.

 
hoffman0001 said:
Let's recap...I simply state the fact that the team cannot produce a winner. You then call me an Idiot and a tool, and I'm the one that acting poorly? When ESPN or the NFL NETWORK report a team is performing poorly are they Idiots and Tools as well? 
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I posted this earlier last time you were around and will do so again:
 

No you're being a troll by constantly repeating "facts" that everyone knows. No one has once disputed that the Browns are 1-31 over the last two seasons. If everyone concedes that point - will you move on?

I think you're capable of contributing more and people would be more willing to engage you if you approached it differently.

Telling Browns fans they should stop supporting their team or telling them "they suck" isn't helpful.
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What you're doing is antagonistic and fruitless. How do you think the team can change it's culture and improve? The fans would be more than willing to have a back and forth on this.

Do you also drive around in ghettos and yell "you're poor" out your car window?

 
Dr. Octopus said:
I posted this earlier last time you were around and will do so again:
 

What you're doing is antagonistic and fruitless. How do you think the team can change it's culture and improve? The fans would be more than willing to have a back and forth on this.

Do you also drive around in ghettos and yell "you're poor" out your car window?
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I posted my thoughts on several items ealier, like McCarron's. And no I don't drive thru Ghettos, I avoid them. 

 
Dr. Octopus said:
It was an analogy but since you went there, maybe you should avoid this thread?
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Why should I? are people only allowed here if they want to drink the Brown's cool-aid or are people allowed to offer different opinions? Last time I checked we live in AMERICA....

 
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hoffman0001 said:
Why should I? are people only allowed here if they want to drink the Brown's cool-aid or are people allowed to offer different opinions? Last time I checked we live in AMERICA....
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because you're only coming here to yell "you're poor" - what do you expect the reaction to be?

 
Soulfly3 said:
If we sign McCarron, we better effing draft Chubb and Barkley. 
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I don't think their is any 'IF' about signing McCarron considering how much Hue and Haslam were willing to give up in November. 

Signing A.J. won't impact the top of the draft because he won't command the sort of guaranteed contract that Kirk Cousins will so we won't have to sit a top-four pick or a $25 million per year FA QB.  

Expect us to draft a QB with one of the top four picks.

Per Barkley.  Great talent but RB is deep.  NFL RB shelf life averages around 4 years.  We haven't settled QB yet.  RB is a finishing touch on a roster not a building block.  We should have our pick of RBs in 2nd and 3rd round.  

Caveat is if we find a trading pardner and can be assured of coming away with our QB and then are able to trade-down and Saquon would be the BPA.  We will be getting offers and it is possible we trade down in a deep QB draft where teams are in need.

 
Dr. Octopus said:
because you're only coming here to yell "you're poor" - what do you expect the reaction to be?
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I have given my opinion of the chances of them signing Cousins, McCarron, and other free agents, and some of their other poor signings. Why don't you look at my posts before you yell "fire"? Are my posts only valid if I'm shaking Browns pom-poms and thinking they are a quality team? Just because I don't support the team, my opinions are not valid?

I guess I'm only allowed to comment on my team?  :no:  

 
hoffman0001 said:
I have given my opinion of the chances of them signing Cousins, McCarron, and other free agents, and some of their other poor signings. Why don't you look at my posts before you yell "fire"? Are my posts only valid if I'm shaking Browns pom-poms and thinking they are a quality team? Just because I don't support the team, my opinions are not valid?

I guess I'm only allowed to comment on my team?  :no:  
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Saying free agents are stupid to even consider signing with Cleveland is not productive conversation. Either you're 13 years old or you're simply a pathetic troll. We are all guilty of falling into your trap and engaging you. Trolls just seek attention because they have no one else in life giving it to them. But don't backpedal now and pretend you are a victim and are being harassed simply because you aren't waving pompoms. If your shtick is to be a pathetic troll, man-up and play the role completely. Don't add 'weasel' to your resume too. 

 
If the Browns could somehow trap Cousins, that would help them a ridiculous amount. Not only could they draft some of the best players (non-QB) but it would also give them a lot more chance to bring in Free Agents. If they draft a QB, some FAs are going to be afraid of a complete rebuild.

 
JuniorNB said:
Saying free agents are stupid to even consider signing with Cleveland is not productive conversation. 
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Incorrect. I'm voicing my OPINION that high quality players, especially QB's are not going to sign with the Browns until they show they can show they can get their act together. If we see Cousins sign then I guess I'm wrong. Until then, I guess the jurry is out. 

Until the team proves they can be competitive, they are going to have to rely on the draft and 2nd tier free agents, like that great BRITT signing last year. 

You can't just say "we have lot's of cash", because most teams have cash due to the CAP. 

I guess this is "trolling"? Is it also Trolling to say the sky is blue, and the sun is hot? 

 
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Soulfly3 said:
Not at all. I don't want him. But if they're signing him, they won't be taking a QB top 4. 

Which is why I'd want Chubb and Saquon
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I think they would still have to take a QB at 1 or 4 and use McCarron as a bridge and then a back up. I don't think they could get Chubb and Barkley anyway as the Colts likely take the one they don't take at 1.

 
Dr. Octopus said:
I think they would still have to take a QB at 1 or 4 and use McCarron as a bridge and then a back up. I don't think they could get Chubb and Barkley anyway as the Colts likely take the one they don't take at 1.
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Then go Chubb and Mayfield. 

Who is far and away my no1 QB and most preferred option. 

 
Bracie Smathers said:
I don't think their is any 'IF' about signing McCarron considering how much Hue and Haslam were willing to give up in November. 

Signing A.J. won't impact the top of the draft because he won't command the sort of guaranteed contract that Kirk Cousins will so we won't have to sit a top-four pick or a $25 million per year FA QB.  

Expect us to draft a QB with one of the top four picks.

Per Barkley.  Great talent but RB is deep.  NFL RB shelf life averages around 4 years.  We haven't settled QB yet.  RB is a finishing touch on a roster not a building block.  We should have our pick of RBs in 2nd and 3rd round.  

Caveat is if we find a trading pardner and can be assured of coming away with our QB and then are able to trade-down and Saquon would be the BPA.  We will be getting offers and it is possible we trade down in a deep QB draft where teams are in need.
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I personally think that Duke Johnson hasn't been given a fair shot at carrying the majority of the load.

 
Why would aj mccarron sign there if he isnt going to be the unquestioned qb?? He probably thinks hes a starter....not that he actually is....

Browns gonna brown...signing him seems weirs

 
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t if they're signing him, they won't be taking a QB top 4. 
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Disagree strongly.

A.J. isn't going to command the sort of contract that Jimmy G., Alex Smith, have or that Kirk Cousins will command.  He simply is not going to get $20 +million per year.  

Just because Hue likes him and has Jimmy in his corner on his preferred FA QB doesn't mean he is the long term solution, see RG III.

We will be drafting a QB if/when we sign A.J.  

Don't hold yer breath on Saquon Barkley.

 
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