Coach Frank Reich (1 Viewer)

[menobrown]

Tepper should have immediately fired himself when he took Young over Stroud. Reich wanted Stroud and was overruled by Tepper, as was posted earlier.

Tepper should have fired himself when he traded up for the pick without being on the same page as the coach he just brought in.

Was never a fan of the tradeup but not in agreement with you both over them "maybe" being wrong on Young being an indictment on Tepper. Young was the top QB on many teams boards and the decision on who to take 1.1 never should have been the head coaches to make. This is all to much after the fact analysis for me, I'm not going there.

 

[-OZ-]

Tepper should have immediately fired himself when he took Young over Stroud. Reich wanted Stroud and was overruled by Tepper, as was posted earlier.

Tepper should have fired himself when he traded up for the pick without being on the same page as the coach he just brought in.

Was never a fan of the tradeup but not in agreement with you both over them "maybe" being wrong on Young being an indictment on Tepper. Young was the top QB on many teams boards and the decision on who to take 1.1 never should have been the head coaches to make. This is all to much after the fact analysis for me, I'm not going there.

To give that much to move up last year was a mistake. Most of us recognized it as such at the time. To also not be on the same page as your QB “guru” head coach is fireable unless you have a MUCH better track record (like SF)

FWIW, I still think Bryce can be a franchise QB

 

[massraider]

Listened to a podcast yesterday after I said that, and Michael Lombardi was saying similar stuff-so I was not only one getting that vibe. Accoring to Lombardi after the Colts fired him, he moved to North Carolina and was ready to pretty much retire. Carolina came calling, they were impressed with him in the interview and everything seemed like a natural fit for him to take the job so he did. Lombardi was saying it's like he lost his fastball, his heart just did seem to be into it and again that's the vibe I got. He think Wentz broke his spirts and that timeline actually checks.

Frank already said yesterday he thinks this is the end of his NFL journey, maybe not coaching but NFL. My prediction is he's done coaching, and will be invigorated when he pursues something related to his faith, which is where I think his real passion is these days.

I think he took a bag of money and mailed it in. Good for him.

 

[massraider]

To give that much to move up last year was a mistake. Most of us recognized it as such at the time. To also not be on the same page as your QB “guru” head coach is fireable unless you have a MUCH better track record (like SF)

We will never know if that is true, but everyone will believe it because *** David Tepper, lol

 

[Da Franchise]

I had commented yesterday that Frank has looked tired and low energy to me going back to last year.

Listened to a podcast yesterday after I said that, and Michael Lombardi was saying similar stuff-so I was not only one getting that vibe. Accoring to Lombardi after the Colts fired him, he moved to North Carolina and was ready to pretty much retire. Carolina came calling, they were impressed with him in the interview and everything seemed like a natural fit for him to take the job so he did. Lombardi was saying it's like he lost his fastball, his heart just did seem to be into it and again that's the vibe I got. He think Wentz broke his spirts and that timeline actually checks.

Frank already said yesterday he thinks this is the end of his NFL journey, maybe not coaching but NFL. My prediction is he's done coaching, and will be invigorated when he pursues something related to his faith, which is where I think his real passion is these days.

All I got to add is I don't blame Tepper for seeing this and moving on, though obviously should have seen it before they hired him. Just not the guy to spearhead a rebuild.

This all tracks to me. There are three coaches who look absolutely burnt to me and they are Reich, Rivera, and Belichick. Don’t think the third knows it though.

 

[Desert_Power]

I had commented yesterday that Frank has looked tired and low energy to me going back to last year.

Listened to a podcast yesterday after I said that, and Michael Lombardi was saying similar stuff-so I was not only one getting that vibe. Accoring to Lombardi after the Colts fired him, he moved to North Carolina and was ready to pretty much retire. Carolina came calling, they were impressed with him in the interview and everything seemed like a natural fit for him to take the job so he did. Lombardi was saying it's like he lost his fastball, his heart just did seem to be into it and again that's the vibe I got. He think Wentz broke his spirts and that timeline actually checks.

Frank already said yesterday he thinks this is the end of his NFL journey, maybe not coaching but NFL. My prediction is he's done coaching, and will be invigorated when he pursues something related to his faith, which is where I think his real passion is these days.

All I got to add is I don't blame Tepper for seeing this and moving on, though obviously should have seen it before they hired him. Just not the guy to spearhead a rebuild.

Hearing a lot of takes that paint Reich as more of an unfortunate victim of bad ownership. That's true to a point, but he was awful last year too. Of course, Irsay is no great owner either.

 

[Tanner9919]

how was this guy considered a good coach to begin with, why the NFL is infatuated with hiring HC's that were just fired is beyond me. Why'd the Jets hire Hackett for OC? be creative get a college coach. but Reich is about as bad a they get over the last 20 years he's right up there with the worst of 'em. god I hope he does NOT get a HC job ever again.

 

[JohnnyU]

I had commented yesterday that Frank has looked tired and low energy to me going back to last year.

Listened to a podcast yesterday after I said that, and Michael Lombardi was saying similar stuff-so I was not only one getting that vibe. Accoring to Lombardi after the Colts fired him, he moved to North Carolina and was ready to pretty much retire. Carolina came calling, they were impressed with him in the interview and everything seemed like a natural fit for him to take the job so he did. Lombardi was saying it's like he lost his fastball, his heart just did seem to be into it and again that's the vibe I got. He think Wentz broke his spirts and that timeline actually checks.

Frank already said yesterday he thinks this is the end of his NFL journey, maybe not coaching but NFL. My prediction is he's done coaching, and will be invigorated when he pursues something related to his faith, which is where I think his real passion is these days.

All I got to add is I don't blame Tepper for seeing this and moving on, though obviously should have seen it before they hired him. Just not the guy to spearhead a rebuild.

Hearing a lot of takes that paint Reich as more of an unfortunate victim of bad ownership. That's true to a point, but he was awful last year too. Of course, Irsay is no great owner either.

I think Irsay has been a good football guy regardless of non football stuff. He hired Bill Polian, Tony Dungy, and I like Chris Ballard for the most part and Steichen. He also drafted Manning over Leaf, when there were some who liked the latter.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Has anyone put pen to paper on this, yet?
Math of Pain will be happy to add up all the loot Frank Reich has stolen in the last 12-18 months
This is one of the great robberies in American History

Colts-$36,000,000 $36 Million thru 2026
Panthers- $25,000/$25k a day for the next 3 years

How much money did Frank Reich steal?
MoP grand total is about $63 Million, that's 5x more than every member in Danny Ocean's crew when they knock over the Bellagio
Frank Ocean should be this guy's name
David Tepper plays Terry Benedict

What on earth are you talking about?

What am I talking about?
What are you talking about?
The guy is going to get paid out $63,000,000
That's pure robbery

 

[Ministry of Pain]

I had commented yesterday that Frank has looked tired and low energy to me going back to last year.

Listened to a podcast yesterday after I said that, and Michael Lombardi was saying similar stuff-so I was not only one getting that vibe. Accoring to Lombardi after the Colts fired him, he moved to North Carolina and was ready to pretty much retire. Carolina came calling, they were impressed with him in the interview and everything seemed like a natural fit for him to take the job so he did. Lombardi was saying it's like he lost his fastball, his heart just did seem to be into it and again that's the vibe I got. He think Wentz broke his spirts and that timeline actually checks.

Frank already said yesterday he thinks this is the end of his NFL journey, maybe not coaching but NFL. My prediction is he's done coaching, and will be invigorated when he pursues something related to his faith, which is where I think his real passion is these days.

All I got to add is I don't blame Tepper for seeing this and moving on, though obviously should have seen it before they hired him. Just not the guy to spearhead a rebuild.

Tepper should have immediately fired himself when he took Young over Stroud. Reich wanted Stroud and was overruled by Tepper, as was posted earlier.

For both of you and everyone else in here let's go thru a brief timeline of events since David Tepper arrived in Carolina, many of them revolve around the QB
And for some reason I feel like @karl.Racki will be very proud of me for doing this

Tepper's Resume...
-Spent a 3rd Rd pick on Will Grier
-Signed Teddy Bridgewater for $33,000,000 guaranteed
-He cut Cam Newton
-2nd, 4th and a 6th for Sam Darnold
-Trades Bridgewater for a 6th
-$18.85M option is exercised on Sam Darnold
-Then he signed Cam Newton
-Spends a 3rd Rd pick on Matt Corral
-Trades for Baker Mayfield
-Cuts Baker Mayfield
-Cuts Cam Newton again
-Drafts Bryce Young over CJ Stroud
-Then after the Matt Rhule era, he hires Frank Reich and HE FIRED HIM after 11 games

David Tepper is absolutely the problem there and anyone who thinks otherwise is fooling themselves

 

[Bri]

More heads rolling were Josh McCown and Duce Staley. They were hot coaching names so will be interesting to see if their momentum is derailed or just chalked up to a wacko owner.

Chalked up to the owner, until they have a bad 4 game stretch, and then the fans will bring it up.

This was the replacement coach's decision

 

[Bri]

I had commented yesterday that Frank has looked tired and low energy to me going back to last year.

Listened to a podcast yesterday after I said that, and Michael Lombardi was saying similar stuff-so I was not only one getting that vibe. Accoring to Lombardi after the Colts fired him, he moved to North Carolina and was ready to pretty much retire. Carolina came calling, they were impressed with him in the interview and everything seemed like a natural fit for him to take the job so he did. Lombardi was saying it's like he lost his fastball, his heart just did seem to be into it and again that's the vibe I got. He think Wentz broke his spirts and that timeline actually checks.

Frank already said yesterday he thinks this is the end of his NFL journey, maybe not coaching but NFL. My prediction is he's done coaching, and will be invigorated when he pursues something related to his faith, which is where I think his real passion is these days.

All I got to add is I don't blame Tepper for seeing this and moving on, though obviously should have seen it before they hired him. Just not the guy to spearhead a rebuild.

Tepper should have immediately fired himself when he took Young over Stroud. Reich wanted Stroud and was overruled by Tepper, as was posted earlier.

For both of you and everyone else in here let's go thru a brief timeline of events since David Tepper arrived in Carolina, many of them revolve around the QB
And for some reason I feel like @karl.Racki will be very proud of me for doing this

-Spent a 3rd Rd pick on Will Grier
-Signed Teddy Bridgewater for $33,000,000 guaranteed
-He cut Cam Newton
-2nd, 4th and a 6th for Sam Darnold
-Trades Bridgewater for a 6th
-$18.85M option is exercised on Sam Darnold
-Then he signed Cam Newton
-Spends a 3rd Rd pick on Matt Corral
-Trades for Baker Mayfield
-Cuts Baker Mayfield
-Cuts Cam Newton again
-Drafts Bryce Young over CJ Stroud
-Then after the Matt Rhule era, he hires Frank Reich and HE FIRED HIM after 11 games

David Tepper is absolutely the problem there and anyone who thinks otherwise is fooling themselves

He isn't the GM
You somehow left out trading CMC
He didn't make the moves. We all didn't like most of these moves at all so guess what he fired the guy that made them. None of this is surprising except in totality that it continues and he's frustrated which he should be.
Baker was some sort of asked to be released thing and the Rams did about the same thing.

I love this THREE month later "how dare he draft Young" stance people are taking too. Everyone had trouble picking a sure favorite and both were adored but somehow the owner is the GM and we're holding the rookies first eleven games to how his whole career will be.

You missed that Reich was supposedly the man to develop QBs and wasn't doing well. That he changed the play caller over n over. He remade the Colts in Carolina and that was certainly not the plan.

Miles Sanders IS a feature back we should sign him to a big deal. These linemen are going to be a force and we'll have one of the best lines.
Tepper has every right to be furious and I can probably waste a night quoting everyone where they thought one of these was a bad move too.

This is so ridiculous

 

[Ministry of Pain]

I had commented yesterday that Frank has looked tired and low energy to me going back to last year.

Listened to a podcast yesterday after I said that, and Michael Lombardi was saying similar stuff-so I was not only one getting that vibe. Accoring to Lombardi after the Colts fired him, he moved to North Carolina and was ready to pretty much retire. Carolina came calling, they were impressed with him in the interview and everything seemed like a natural fit for him to take the job so he did. Lombardi was saying it's like he lost his fastball, his heart just did seem to be into it and again that's the vibe I got. He think Wentz broke his spirts and that timeline actually checks.

Frank already said yesterday he thinks this is the end of his NFL journey, maybe not coaching but NFL. My prediction is he's done coaching, and will be invigorated when he pursues something related to his faith, which is where I think his real passion is these days.

All I got to add is I don't blame Tepper for seeing this and moving on, though obviously should have seen it before they hired him. Just not the guy to spearhead a rebuild.

Tepper should have immediately fired himself when he took Young over Stroud. Reich wanted Stroud and was overruled by Tepper, as was posted earlier.

For both of you and everyone else in here let's go thru a brief timeline of events since David Tepper arrived in Carolina, many of them revolve around the QB
And for some reason I feel like @karl.Racki will be very proud of me for doing this

-Spent a 3rd Rd pick on Will Grier
-Signed Teddy Bridgewater for $33,000,000 guaranteed
-He cut Cam Newton
-2nd, 4th and a 6th for Sam Darnold
-Trades Bridgewater for a 6th
-$18.85M option is exercised on Sam Darnold
-Then he signed Cam Newton
-Spends a 3rd Rd pick on Matt Corral
-Trades for Baker Mayfield
-Cuts Baker Mayfield
-Cuts Cam Newton again
-Drafts Bryce Young over CJ Stroud
-Then after the Matt Rhule era, he hires Frank Reich and HE FIRED HIM after 11 games

David Tepper is absolutely the problem there and anyone who thinks otherwise is fooling themselves

He isn't the GM
You somehow left out trading CMC
He didn't make the moves. We all didn't like most of these moves at all so guess what he fired the guy that made them. None of this is surprising except in totality that it continues and he's frustrated which he should be.
Baker was some sort of asked to be released thing and the Rams did about the same thing.

I love this THREE month later "how dare he draft Young" stance people are taking too. Everyone had trouble picking a sure favorite and both were adored but somehow the owner is the GM and we're holding the rookies first eleven games to how his whole career will be.

You missed that Reich was supposedly the man to develop QBs and wasn't doing well. That he changed the play caller over n over. He remade the Colts in Carolina and that was certainly not the plan.

Miles Sanders IS a feature back we should sign him to a big deal. These linemen are going to be a force and we'll have one of the best lines.
Tepper has every right to be furious and I can probably waste a night quoting everyone where they thought one of these was a bad move too.

This is so ridiculous

Everywhere I read and hear about him, the word "meddlesome" comes up a lot.
I know it's hard when you root for the team to accept you have an overbearing spoiled child that has no patience as your owner but I promise you're not alone.
I have very little respect, in fact I would say none for Stephen Ross the owner of Miami. Caught cheating and lost a 1st and 3rd round pick over the Sean Payton and Tom Brady debacle plus the last head coach that filed a lawsuit on him for openly wanting him to lose games so Miami could get a higher pick in the Draft

But let's stay focused on Tepper, to not acknowledge that he is involved in all these moves would be incredibly naive, I'm kinda shocked I'm having to see the letters "GM" posted at me as if Tepper bows down or in any way follows what his General Managers are telling him. Tepper is in total charge, that resume I listed proves it

 

[Gruden's Keyboard]

There are three coaches who look absolutely burnt to me and they are Reich, Rivera, and Belichick. Don’t think the third knows it though.

My 3 would be Reich, Brandon Staley, and that lame duck coach of The Bears...(I don't think anyone knows his name)

Honorable mention to all of the other NFC South coaches as well.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

I had commented yesterday that Frank has looked tired and low energy to me going back to last year.

Listened to a podcast yesterday after I said that, and Michael Lombardi was saying similar stuff-so I was not only one getting that vibe. Accoring to Lombardi after the Colts fired him, he moved to North Carolina and was ready to pretty much retire. Carolina came calling, they were impressed with him in the interview and everything seemed like a natural fit for him to take the job so he did. Lombardi was saying it's like he lost his fastball, his heart just did seem to be into it and again that's the vibe I got. He think Wentz broke his spirts and that timeline actually checks.

Frank already said yesterday he thinks this is the end of his NFL journey, maybe not coaching but NFL. My prediction is he's done coaching, and will be invigorated when he pursues something related to his faith, which is where I think his real passion is these days.

All I got to add is I don't blame Tepper for seeing this and moving on, though obviously should have seen it before they hired him. Just not the guy to spearhead a rebuild.

Tepper should have immediately fired himself when he took Young over Stroud. Reich wanted Stroud and was overruled by Tepper, as was posted earlier.

For both of you and everyone else in here let's go thru a brief timeline of events since David Tepper arrived in Carolina, many of them revolve around the QB
And for some reason I feel like @karl.Racki will be very proud of me for doing this

-Spent a 3rd Rd pick on Will Grier
-Signed Teddy Bridgewater for $33,000,000 guaranteed
-He cut Cam Newton
-2nd, 4th and a 6th for Sam Darnold
-Trades Bridgewater for a 6th
-$18.85M option is exercised on Sam Darnold
-Then he signed Cam Newton
-Spends a 3rd Rd pick on Matt Corral
-Trades for Baker Mayfield
-Cuts Baker Mayfield
-Cuts Cam Newton again
-Drafts Bryce Young over CJ Stroud
-Then after the Matt Rhule era, he hires Frank Reich and HE FIRED HIM after 11 games

David Tepper is absolutely the problem there and anyone who thinks otherwise is fooling themselves

He isn't the GM
You somehow left out trading CMC
He didn't make the moves. We all didn't like most of these moves at all so guess what he fired the guy that made them. None of this is surprising except in totality that it continues and he's frustrated which he should be.
Baker was some sort of asked to be released thing and the Rams did about the same thing.

I love this THREE month later "how dare he draft Young" stance people are taking too. Everyone had trouble picking a sure favorite and both were adored but somehow the owner is the GM and we're holding the rookies first eleven games to how his whole career will be.

You missed that Reich was supposedly the man to develop QBs and wasn't doing well. That he changed the play caller over n over. He remade the Colts in Carolina and that was certainly not the plan.

Miles Sanders IS a feature back we should sign him to a big deal. These linemen are going to be a force and we'll have one of the best lines.
Tepper has every right to be furious and I can probably waste a night quoting everyone where they thought one of these was a bad move too.

This is so ridiculous

@GregR

-No No, MoP is not 3 months late, he's not Johnny come lately on CJ Stroud, ask the Houston Texans fan base around here and Greg is usually in the Houston thread
-I've been ripping Tepper and Carolina since Day 1, the trade it self and mortgaging the '24 1st to jump to No 1 and then not take Stroud who was easily the most NFL ready.

I was extremely vocal about my admiration of Stroud and that Houston had somehow gotten lucky and backed into him even after they **** the bed beating the Bears and losing the No 1 pick last season. I am on record for sure as almost begrudgingly having to congratulate the Texans. These same Texans that I lambasted for allowing things to fall apart after their Playoff appearance vs the Chiefs, and I still do not trust that the owner there is going to do the right thing. I have serious doubts but I do think much like the Bengals had Burrow fall in their lap and then magically they make a SB appearance, it's possible we could see Houston in a Super Bowl in the not too distant future just because of Stroud.

And going back to Tepper for a minute, as I recall you took exception when i went after Tepper for running Ron Rivera out and talking some big smack about what he was going to do as owner of the team, that feeling I had about him then is largely backed up by Tepper's resume.
I wish you wouldn't take it so hard when i rip on Tepper, he deserves every bit of it and things are not going to change soon.
What type of coaching candidates are going to want to be in Carolina, especially saddled with a QB they didn't draft or want and no 1st Rd pick in '24
It's not good.

 

[Bri]

I had commented yesterday that Frank has looked tired and low energy to me going back to last year.

Listened to a podcast yesterday after I said that, and Michael Lombardi was saying similar stuff-so I was not only one getting that vibe. Accoring to Lombardi after the Colts fired him, he moved to North Carolina and was ready to pretty much retire. Carolina came calling, they were impressed with him in the interview and everything seemed like a natural fit for him to take the job so he did. Lombardi was saying it's like he lost his fastball, his heart just did seem to be into it and again that's the vibe I got. He think Wentz broke his spirts and that timeline actually checks.

Frank already said yesterday he thinks this is the end of his NFL journey, maybe not coaching but NFL. My prediction is he's done coaching, and will be invigorated when he pursues something related to his faith, which is where I think his real passion is these days.

All I got to add is I don't blame Tepper for seeing this and moving on, though obviously should have seen it before they hired him. Just not the guy to spearhead a rebuild.

Tepper should have immediately fired himself when he took Young over Stroud. Reich wanted Stroud and was overruled by Tepper, as was posted earlier.

For both of you and everyone else in here let's go thru a brief timeline of events since David Tepper arrived in Carolina, many of them revolve around the QB
And for some reason I feel like @karl.Racki will be very proud of me for doing this

-Spent a 3rd Rd pick on Will Grier
-Signed Teddy Bridgewater for $33,000,000 guaranteed
-He cut Cam Newton
-2nd, 4th and a 6th for Sam Darnold
-Trades Bridgewater for a 6th
-$18.85M option is exercised on Sam Darnold
-Then he signed Cam Newton
-Spends a 3rd Rd pick on Matt Corral
-Trades for Baker Mayfield
-Cuts Baker Mayfield
-Cuts Cam Newton again
-Drafts Bryce Young over CJ Stroud
-Then after the Matt Rhule era, he hires Frank Reich and HE FIRED HIM after 11 games

David Tepper is absolutely the problem there and anyone who thinks otherwise is fooling themselves

He isn't the GM
You somehow left out trading CMC
He didn't make the moves. We all didn't like most of these moves at all so guess what he fired the guy that made them. None of this is surprising except in totality that it continues and he's frustrated which he should be.
Baker was some sort of asked to be released thing and the Rams did about the same thing.

I love this THREE month later "how dare he draft Young" stance people are taking too. Everyone had trouble picking a sure favorite and both were adored but somehow the owner is the GM and we're holding the rookies first eleven games to how his whole career will be.

You missed that Reich was supposedly the man to develop QBs and wasn't doing well. That he changed the play caller over n over. He remade the Colts in Carolina and that was certainly not the plan.

Miles Sanders IS a feature back we should sign him to a big deal. These linemen are going to be a force and we'll have one of the best lines.
Tepper has every right to be furious and I can probably waste a night quoting everyone where they thought one of these was a bad move too.

This is so ridiculous

Everywhere I read and hear about him, the word "meddlesome" comes up a lot.
I know it's hard when you root for the team to accept you have an overbearing spoiled child that has no patience as your owner but I promise you're not alone.
I have very little respect, in fact I would say none for Stephen Ross the owner of Miami. Caught cheating and lost a 1st and 3rd round pick over the Sean Payton and Tom Brady debacle plus the last head coach that filed a lawsuit on him for openly wanting him to lose games so Miami could get a higher pick in the Draft

But let's stay focused on Tepper, to not acknowledge that he is involved in all these moves would be incredibly naive, I'm kinda shocked I'm having to see the letters "GM" posted at me as if Tepper bows down or in any way follows what his General Managers are telling him. Tepper is in total charge, that resume I listed proves it

It's not true that he made the moves.
He was interviewed today. Reich was interviewed also.

It's also easily something you can Google to see who made the move.
.
He did write a play on a napkin that was from a Browns game he watched. He once handed it to the coach and said he thinks they should run it.

He once asked how come so many screens to CMC and why not these run plays. Suggested Parcells/Gibbs plays be run and the coach got furious until he reminded the coach all he was doing was repeating what he said he'd do to limit CMCs injury risk and the plays he'd run with another back to do so.

Nothing at all seems outrageous for an owner to ask. Play on a napkin weird, sure but if I owned a team maybe I'd do same. That he did it once probably means he felt out of place so he never did it again and...that just seems like normal guy stuff.

I would be the most annoying owner, for sure, because I'd have cut so many Titans and somewhere from middle of last year I'd have said Henry gets 20 carries or you're fired. "Hey I think you guys should run a play" is meddling sure but one time means nothing but fuel for overreacting.

Do I need to search here to find you not in favor of paying Cam twice or a big deal for Sam Darnold?

Guy is seeing the QB stinks and getting some super highly qualified guy (GM and/or coach) to add the proper QB and each time he hires a darn expert they're wrong. That would anger me too

 

[Lehigh98]

If the Panthers really want Brian Johnson as HC, we'll take Frank back as OC.

 

[Bri]

There are three coaches who look absolutely burnt to me and they are Reich, Rivera, and Belichick. Don’t think the third knows it though.

My 3 would be Reich, Brandon Staley, and that lame duck coach of The Bears...(I don't think anyone knows his name)

Honorable mention to all of the other NFC South coaches as well.

That coach was named after a strain of covid

 

[Ministry of Pain]

I had commented yesterday that Frank has looked tired and low energy to me going back to last year.

Listened to a podcast yesterday after I said that, and Michael Lombardi was saying similar stuff-so I was not only one getting that vibe. Accoring to Lombardi after the Colts fired him, he moved to North Carolina and was ready to pretty much retire. Carolina came calling, they were impressed with him in the interview and everything seemed like a natural fit for him to take the job so he did. Lombardi was saying it's like he lost his fastball, his heart just did seem to be into it and again that's the vibe I got. He think Wentz broke his spirts and that timeline actually checks.

Frank already said yesterday he thinks this is the end of his NFL journey, maybe not coaching but NFL. My prediction is he's done coaching, and will be invigorated when he pursues something related to his faith, which is where I think his real passion is these days.

All I got to add is I don't blame Tepper for seeing this and moving on, though obviously should have seen it before they hired him. Just not the guy to spearhead a rebuild.

Tepper should have immediately fired himself when he took Young over Stroud. Reich wanted Stroud and was overruled by Tepper, as was posted earlier.

For both of you and everyone else in here let's go thru a brief timeline of events since David Tepper arrived in Carolina, many of them revolve around the QB
And for some reason I feel like @karl.Racki will be very proud of me for doing this

-Spent a 3rd Rd pick on Will Grier
-Signed Teddy Bridgewater for $33,000,000 guaranteed
-He cut Cam Newton
-2nd, 4th and a 6th for Sam Darnold
-Trades Bridgewater for a 6th
-$18.85M option is exercised on Sam Darnold
-Then he signed Cam Newton
-Spends a 3rd Rd pick on Matt Corral
-Trades for Baker Mayfield
-Cuts Baker Mayfield
-Cuts Cam Newton again
-Drafts Bryce Young over CJ Stroud
-Then after the Matt Rhule era, he hires Frank Reich and HE FIRED HIM after 11 games

David Tepper is absolutely the problem there and anyone who thinks otherwise is fooling themselves

He isn't the GM
You somehow left out trading CMC
He didn't make the moves. We all didn't like most of these moves at all so guess what he fired the guy that made them. None of this is surprising except in totality that it continues and he's frustrated which he should be.
Baker was some sort of asked to be released thing and the Rams did about the same thing.

I love this THREE month later "how dare he draft Young" stance people are taking too. Everyone had trouble picking a sure favorite and both were adored but somehow the owner is the GM and we're holding the rookies first eleven games to how his whole career will be.

You missed that Reich was supposedly the man to develop QBs and wasn't doing well. That he changed the play caller over n over. He remade the Colts in Carolina and that was certainly not the plan.

Miles Sanders IS a feature back we should sign him to a big deal. These linemen are going to be a force and we'll have one of the best lines.
Tepper has every right to be furious and I can probably waste a night quoting everyone where they thought one of these was a bad move too.

This is so ridiculous

Everywhere I read and hear about him, the word "meddlesome" comes up a lot.
I know it's hard when you root for the team to accept you have an overbearing spoiled child that has no patience as your owner but I promise you're not alone.
I have very little respect, in fact I would say none for Stephen Ross the owner of Miami. Caught cheating and lost a 1st and 3rd round pick over the Sean Payton and Tom Brady debacle plus the last head coach that filed a lawsuit on him for openly wanting him to lose games so Miami could get a higher pick in the Draft

But let's stay focused on Tepper, to not acknowledge that he is involved in all these moves would be incredibly naive, I'm kinda shocked I'm having to see the letters "GM" posted at me as if Tepper bows down or in any way follows what his General Managers are telling him. Tepper is in total charge, that resume I listed proves it

It's not true that he made the moves.
He was interviewed today. Reich was interviewed also.

It's also easily something you can Google to see who made the move.
.
He did write a play on a napkin that was from a Browns game he watched. He once handed it to the coach and said he thinks they should run it.

He once asked how come so many screens to CMC and why not these run plays. Suggested Parcells/Gibbs plays be run and the coach got furious until he reminded the coach all he was doing was repeating what he said he'd do to limit CMCs injury risk and the plays he'd run with another back to do so.

Nothing at all seems outrageous for an owner to ask. Play on a napkin weird, sure but if I owned a team maybe I'd do same. That he did it once probably means he felt out of place so he never did it again and...that just seems like normal guy stuff.

I would be the most annoying owner, for sure, because I'd have cut so many Titans and somewhere from middle of last year I'd have said Henry gets 20 carries or you're fired. "Hey I think you guys should run a play" is meddling sure but one time means nothing but fuel for overreacting.

Do I need to search here to find you not in favor of paying Cam twice or a big deal for Sam Darnold?

Guy is seeing the QB stinks and getting some super highly qualified guy (GM and/or coach) to add the proper QB and each time he hires a darn expert they're wrong. That would anger me too

Tepper's Resume...
-Spent a 3rd Rd pick on Will Grier
-Signed Teddy Bridgewater for $33,000,000 guaranteed
-He cut Cam Newton
-2nd, 4th and a 6th for Sam Darnold
-Trades Bridgewater for a 6th
-$18.85M option is exercised on Sam Darnold
-Then he signed Cam Newton
-Spends a 3rd Rd pick on Matt Corral
-Trades for Baker Mayfield
-Cuts Baker Mayfield
-Cuts Cam Newton again
-Drafts Bryce Young over CJ Stroud
-Then after the Matt Rhule era, he hires Frank Reich and HE FIRED HIM after 11 games


-Those facts and entries stand on their own and you can hate on them all you want and say Tepper had nothing to do with these moves, I accept that you believe Tepper is somehow innocent and absolved of all this but I cannot go down that rabbit hole with you.

Tepper is the constant in all of these moves,
How can you not acknowledge that but instead prefer to try and Shoot the Messenger? This is not about me but you for some reason want to try and twist it that way vs focusing on Tepper's complete ineptness as an owner.

The first thing you did was take exception about CMC not being on the list...this is a timeline that outlines what Tepper has done at the QB spot.
I didn't even mention his other debacles like the Panthers Headquarters that was not finished and then had to be demolished, there really is no end with what he's done since he took over.
I'm shocked people would want to defend him but going after the person listing his accomplishments so far seems a bit off target here.

 

[Bri]

I had commented yesterday that Frank has looked tired and low energy to me going back to last year.

Listened to a podcast yesterday after I said that, and Michael Lombardi was saying similar stuff-so I was not only one getting that vibe. Accoring to Lombardi after the Colts fired him, he moved to North Carolina and was ready to pretty much retire. Carolina came calling, they were impressed with him in the interview and everything seemed like a natural fit for him to take the job so he did. Lombardi was saying it's like he lost his fastball, his heart just did seem to be into it and again that's the vibe I got. He think Wentz broke his spirts and that timeline actually checks.

Frank already said yesterday he thinks this is the end of his NFL journey, maybe not coaching but NFL. My prediction is he's done coaching, and will be invigorated when he pursues something related to his faith, which is where I think his real passion is these days.

All I got to add is I don't blame Tepper for seeing this and moving on, though obviously should have seen it before they hired him. Just not the guy to spearhead a rebuild.

Tepper should have immediately fired himself when he took Young over Stroud. Reich wanted Stroud and was overruled by Tepper, as was posted earlier.

For both of you and everyone else in here let's go thru a brief timeline of events since David Tepper arrived in Carolina, many of them revolve around the QB
And for some reason I feel like @karl.Racki will be very proud of me for doing this

-Spent a 3rd Rd pick on Will Grier
-Signed Teddy Bridgewater for $33,000,000 guaranteed
-He cut Cam Newton
-2nd, 4th and a 6th for Sam Darnold
-Trades Bridgewater for a 6th
-$18.85M option is exercised on Sam Darnold
-Then he signed Cam Newton
-Spends a 3rd Rd pick on Matt Corral
-Trades for Baker Mayfield
-Cuts Baker Mayfield
-Cuts Cam Newton again
-Drafts Bryce Young over CJ Stroud
-Then after the Matt Rhule era, he hires Frank Reich and HE FIRED HIM after 11 games

David Tepper is absolutely the problem there and anyone who thinks otherwise is fooling themselves

He isn't the GM
You somehow left out trading CMC
He didn't make the moves. We all didn't like most of these moves at all so guess what he fired the guy that made them. None of this is surprising except in totality that it continues and he's frustrated which he should be.
Baker was some sort of asked to be released thing and the Rams did about the same thing.

I love this THREE month later "how dare he draft Young" stance people are taking too. Everyone had trouble picking a sure favorite and both were adored but somehow the owner is the GM and we're holding the rookies first eleven games to how his whole career will be.

You missed that Reich was supposedly the man to develop QBs and wasn't doing well. That he changed the play caller over n over. He remade the Colts in Carolina and that was certainly not the plan.

Miles Sanders IS a feature back we should sign him to a big deal. These linemen are going to be a force and we'll have one of the best lines.
Tepper has every right to be furious and I can probably waste a night quoting everyone where they thought one of these was a bad move too.

This is so ridiculous

Everywhere I read and hear about him, the word "meddlesome" comes up a lot.
I know it's hard when you root for the team to accept you have an overbearing spoiled child that has no patience as your owner but I promise you're not alone.
I have very little respect, in fact I would say none for Stephen Ross the owner of Miami. Caught cheating and lost a 1st and 3rd round pick over the Sean Payton and Tom Brady debacle plus the last head coach that filed a lawsuit on him for openly wanting him to lose games so Miami could get a higher pick in the Draft

But let's stay focused on Tepper, to not acknowledge that he is involved in all these moves would be incredibly naive, I'm kinda shocked I'm having to see the letters "GM" posted at me as if Tepper bows down or in any way follows what his General Managers are telling him. Tepper is in total charge, that resume I listed proves it

It's not true that he made the moves.
He was interviewed today. Reich was interviewed also.

It's also easily something you can Google to see who made the move.
.
He did write a play on a napkin that was from a Browns game he watched. He once handed it to the coach and said he thinks they should run it.

He once asked how come so many screens to CMC and why not these run plays. Suggested Parcells/Gibbs plays be run and the coach got furious until he reminded the coach all he was doing was repeating what he said he'd do to limit CMCs injury risk and the plays he'd run with another back to do so.

Nothing at all seems outrageous for an owner to ask. Play on a napkin weird, sure but if I owned a team maybe I'd do same. That he did it once probably means he felt out of place so he never did it again and...that just seems like normal guy stuff.

I would be the most annoying owner, for sure, because I'd have cut so many Titans and somewhere from middle of last year I'd have said Henry gets 20 carries or you're fired. "Hey I think you guys should run a play" is meddling sure but one time means nothing but fuel for overreacting.

Do I need to search here to find you not in favor of paying Cam twice or a big deal for Sam Darnold?

Guy is seeing the QB stinks and getting some super highly qualified guy (GM and/or coach) to add the proper QB and each time he hires a darn expert they're wrong. That would anger me too

Tepper's Resume...
-Spent a 3rd Rd pick on Will Grier
-Signed Teddy Bridgewater for $33,000,000 guaranteed
-He cut Cam Newton
-2nd, 4th and a 6th for Sam Darnold
-Trades Bridgewater for a 6th
-$18.85M option is exercised on Sam Darnold
-Then he signed Cam Newton
-Spends a 3rd Rd pick on Matt Corral
-Trades for Baker Mayfield
-Cuts Baker Mayfield
-Cuts Cam Newton again
-Drafts Bryce Young over CJ Stroud
-Then after the Matt Rhule era, he hires Frank Reich and HE FIRED HIM after 11 games


-Those facts and entries stand on their own and you can hate on them all you want and say Tepper had nothing to do with these moves, I accept that you believe Tepper is somehow innocent and absolved of all this but I cannot go down that rabbit hole with you.

Tepper is the constant in all of these moves,
How can you not acknowledge that but instead prefer to try and Shoot the Messenger? This is not about me but you for some reason want to try and twist it that way vs focusing on Tepper's complete ineptness as an owner.

The first thing you did was take exception about CMC not being on the list...this is a timeline that outlines what Tepper has done at the QB spot.
I didn't even mention his other debacles like the Panthers Headquarters that was not finished and then had to be demolished, there really is no end with what he's done since he took over.
I'm shocked people would want to defend him but going after the person listing his accomplishments so far seems a bit off target here.

Since you're going to keep pretending he's the GM then I'm going to remind you that Grier was very much like Willis and Ridder. Projected by many to be a mid to late first but he fell n fell.
Idk why anyone that plays FF would ever have a problem taking a shot on a first rounder that falls to the third- nevermind that he was a project and not given the keys as a starter in any camp or offseason

 

[Gruden's Keyboard]

Being a coach in the NFL without a good QB is hard, look at Belicheck.

Looks like the best option for struggling franchises is to invest as much as they can into their offensive line, and then just keep taking shots at drafting QBs. The Texans are the shining example of this formula.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Being a coach in the NFL without a good QB is hard, look at Belicheck.

Looks like the best option for struggling franchises is to invest as much as they can into their offensive line, and then just keep taking shots at drafting QBs. The Texans are the shining example of this formula.

Niners would seem like a team on that short list as well

 

[Ministry of Pain]

I had commented yesterday that Frank has looked tired and low energy to me going back to last year.

Listened to a podcast yesterday after I said that, and Michael Lombardi was saying similar stuff-so I was not only one getting that vibe. Accoring to Lombardi after the Colts fired him, he moved to North Carolina and was ready to pretty much retire. Carolina came calling, they were impressed with him in the interview and everything seemed like a natural fit for him to take the job so he did. Lombardi was saying it's like he lost his fastball, his heart just did seem to be into it and again that's the vibe I got. He think Wentz broke his spirts and that timeline actually checks.

Frank already said yesterday he thinks this is the end of his NFL journey, maybe not coaching but NFL. My prediction is he's done coaching, and will be invigorated when he pursues something related to his faith, which is where I think his real passion is these days.

All I got to add is I don't blame Tepper for seeing this and moving on, though obviously should have seen it before they hired him. Just not the guy to spearhead a rebuild.

Tepper should have immediately fired himself when he took Young over Stroud. Reich wanted Stroud and was overruled by Tepper, as was posted earlier.

For both of you and everyone else in here let's go thru a brief timeline of events since David Tepper arrived in Carolina, many of them revolve around the QB
And for some reason I feel like @karl.Racki will be very proud of me for doing this

-Spent a 3rd Rd pick on Will Grier
-Signed Teddy Bridgewater for $33,000,000 guaranteed
-He cut Cam Newton
-2nd, 4th and a 6th for Sam Darnold
-Trades Bridgewater for a 6th
-$18.85M option is exercised on Sam Darnold
-Then he signed Cam Newton
-Spends a 3rd Rd pick on Matt Corral
-Trades for Baker Mayfield
-Cuts Baker Mayfield
-Cuts Cam Newton again
-Drafts Bryce Young over CJ Stroud
-Then after the Matt Rhule era, he hires Frank Reich and HE FIRED HIM after 11 games

David Tepper is absolutely the problem there and anyone who thinks otherwise is fooling themselves

He isn't the GM
You somehow left out trading CMC
He didn't make the moves. We all didn't like most of these moves at all so guess what he fired the guy that made them. None of this is surprising except in totality that it continues and he's frustrated which he should be.
Baker was some sort of asked to be released thing and the Rams did about the same thing.

I love this THREE month later "how dare he draft Young" stance people are taking too. Everyone had trouble picking a sure favorite and both were adored but somehow the owner is the GM and we're holding the rookies first eleven games to how his whole career will be.

You missed that Reich was supposedly the man to develop QBs and wasn't doing well. That he changed the play caller over n over. He remade the Colts in Carolina and that was certainly not the plan.

Miles Sanders IS a feature back we should sign him to a big deal. These linemen are going to be a force and we'll have one of the best lines.
Tepper has every right to be furious and I can probably waste a night quoting everyone where they thought one of these was a bad move too.

This is so ridiculous

Everywhere I read and hear about him, the word "meddlesome" comes up a lot.
I know it's hard when you root for the team to accept you have an overbearing spoiled child that has no patience as your owner but I promise you're not alone.
I have very little respect, in fact I would say none for Stephen Ross the owner of Miami. Caught cheating and lost a 1st and 3rd round pick over the Sean Payton and Tom Brady debacle plus the last head coach that filed a lawsuit on him for openly wanting him to lose games so Miami could get a higher pick in the Draft

But let's stay focused on Tepper, to not acknowledge that he is involved in all these moves would be incredibly naive, I'm kinda shocked I'm having to see the letters "GM" posted at me as if Tepper bows down or in any way follows what his General Managers are telling him. Tepper is in total charge, that resume I listed proves it

It's not true that he made the moves.
He was interviewed today. Reich was interviewed also.

It's also easily something you can Google to see who made the move.
.
He did write a play on a napkin that was from a Browns game he watched. He once handed it to the coach and said he thinks they should run it.

He once asked how come so many screens to CMC and why not these run plays. Suggested Parcells/Gibbs plays be run and the coach got furious until he reminded the coach all he was doing was repeating what he said he'd do to limit CMCs injury risk and the plays he'd run with another back to do so.

Nothing at all seems outrageous for an owner to ask. Play on a napkin weird, sure but if I owned a team maybe I'd do same. That he did it once probably means he felt out of place so he never did it again and...that just seems like normal guy stuff.

I would be the most annoying owner, for sure, because I'd have cut so many Titans and somewhere from middle of last year I'd have said Henry gets 20 carries or you're fired. "Hey I think you guys should run a play" is meddling sure but one time means nothing but fuel for overreacting.

Do I need to search here to find you not in favor of paying Cam twice or a big deal for Sam Darnold?

Guy is seeing the QB stinks and getting some super highly qualified guy (GM and/or coach) to add the proper QB and each time he hires a darn expert they're wrong. That would anger me too

Tepper's Resume...
-Spent a 3rd Rd pick on Will Grier
-Signed Teddy Bridgewater for $33,000,000 guaranteed
-He cut Cam Newton
-2nd, 4th and a 6th for Sam Darnold
-Trades Bridgewater for a 6th
-$18.85M option is exercised on Sam Darnold
-Then he signed Cam Newton
-Spends a 3rd Rd pick on Matt Corral
-Trades for Baker Mayfield
-Cuts Baker Mayfield
-Cuts Cam Newton again
-Drafts Bryce Young over CJ Stroud
-Then after the Matt Rhule era, he hires Frank Reich and HE FIRED HIM after 11 games


-Those facts and entries stand on their own and you can hate on them all you want and say Tepper had nothing to do with these moves, I accept that you believe Tepper is somehow innocent and absolved of all this but I cannot go down that rabbit hole with you.

Tepper is the constant in all of these moves,
How can you not acknowledge that but instead prefer to try and Shoot the Messenger? This is not about me but you for some reason want to try and twist it that way vs focusing on Tepper's complete ineptness as an owner.

The first thing you did was take exception about CMC not being on the list...this is a timeline that outlines what Tepper has done at the QB spot.
I didn't even mention his other debacles like the Panthers Headquarters that was not finished and then had to be demolished, there really is no end with what he's done since he took over.
I'm shocked people would want to defend him but going after the person listing his accomplishments so far seems a bit off target here.

Since you're going to keep pretending he's the GM then I'm going to remind you that Grier was very much like Willis and Ridder. Projected by many to be a mid to late first but he fell n fell.
Idk why anyone that plays FF would ever have a problem taking a shot on a first rounder that falls to the third- nevermind that he was a project and not given the keys as a starter in any camp or offseason

Ron Rivera
Perry Fewell
Matt Rhule
Steve WIlks
Frank Reich
Chris Tabor

6th Head Coach in less than 6 years
And as was stated when I 1st posted, it's a timeline, you can like or dislike whichever ones you want.
It's funny when you read that list out loud, both the timeline and all these coaches

 

[fatness]

I love this THREE month later "how dare he draft Young" stance people are taking too. Everyone had trouble picking a sure favorite and both were adored but somehow the owner is the GM and we're holding the rookies first eleven games to how his whole career will be.

Just wanted to bump this since, if I typed it at this late hour it would make less sense.

 

[fatness]

Has anyone put pen to paper on this, yet?
Math of Pain will be happy to add up all the loot Frank Reich has stolen in the last 12-18 months
This is one of the great robberies in American History

Colts-$36,000,000 $36 Million thru 2026
Panthers- $25,000/$25k a day for the next 3 years

How much money did Frank Reich steal?
MoP grand total is about $63 Million, that's 5x more than every member in Danny Ocean's crew when they knock over the Bellagio
Frank Ocean should be this guy's name
David Tepper plays Terry Benedict

What on earth are you talking about?

Wha are you talking about?
The guy is going to get paid out $63,000,000
That's pure robbery

Both sides agreed to those contracts. Sucks if the way it works out doesn't benefit owners.

 

[Bri]

I had commented yesterday that Frank has looked tired and low energy to me going back to last year.

Listened to a podcast yesterday after I said that, and Michael Lombardi was saying similar stuff-so I was not only one getting that vibe. Accoring to Lombardi after the Colts fired him, he moved to North Carolina and was ready to pretty much retire. Carolina came calling, they were impressed with him in the interview and everything seemed like a natural fit for him to take the job so he did. Lombardi was saying it's like he lost his fastball, his heart just did seem to be into it and again that's the vibe I got. He think Wentz broke his spirts and that timeline actually checks.

Frank already said yesterday he thinks this is the end of his NFL journey, maybe not coaching but NFL. My prediction is he's done coaching, and will be invigorated when he pursues something related to his faith, which is where I think his real passion is these days.

All I got to add is I don't blame Tepper for seeing this and moving on, though obviously should have seen it before they hired him. Just not the guy to spearhead a rebuild.

Tepper should have immediately fired himself when he took Young over Stroud. Reich wanted Stroud and was overruled by Tepper, as was posted earlier.

For both of you and everyone else in here let's go thru a brief timeline of events since David Tepper arrived in Carolina, many of them revolve around the QB
And for some reason I feel like @karl.Racki will be very proud of me for doing this

-Spent a 3rd Rd pick on Will Grier
-Signed Teddy Bridgewater for $33,000,000 guaranteed
-He cut Cam Newton
-2nd, 4th and a 6th for Sam Darnold
-Trades Bridgewater for a 6th
-$18.85M option is exercised on Sam Darnold
-Then he signed Cam Newton
-Spends a 3rd Rd pick on Matt Corral
-Trades for Baker Mayfield
-Cuts Baker Mayfield
-Cuts Cam Newton again
-Drafts Bryce Young over CJ Stroud
-Then after the Matt Rhule era, he hires Frank Reich and HE FIRED HIM after 11 games

David Tepper is absolutely the problem there and anyone who thinks otherwise is fooling themselves

He isn't the GM
You somehow left out trading CMC
He didn't make the moves. We all didn't like most of these moves at all so guess what he fired the guy that made them. None of this is surprising except in totality that it continues and he's frustrated which he should be.
Baker was some sort of asked to be released thing and the Rams did about the same thing.

I love this THREE month later "how dare he draft Young" stance people are taking too. Everyone had trouble picking a sure favorite and both were adored but somehow the owner is the GM and we're holding the rookies first eleven games to how his whole career will be.

You missed that Reich was supposedly the man to develop QBs and wasn't doing well. That he changed the play caller over n over. He remade the Colts in Carolina and that was certainly not the plan.

Miles Sanders IS a feature back we should sign him to a big deal. These linemen are going to be a force and we'll have one of the best lines.
Tepper has every right to be furious and I can probably waste a night quoting everyone where they thought one of these was a bad move too.

This is so ridiculous

Everywhere I read and hear about him, the word "meddlesome" comes up a lot.
I know it's hard when you root for the team to accept you have an overbearing spoiled child that has no patience as your owner but I promise you're not alone.
I have very little respect, in fact I would say none for Stephen Ross the owner of Miami. Caught cheating and lost a 1st and 3rd round pick over the Sean Payton and Tom Brady debacle plus the last head coach that filed a lawsuit on him for openly wanting him to lose games so Miami could get a higher pick in the Draft

But let's stay focused on Tepper, to not acknowledge that he is involved in all these moves would be incredibly naive, I'm kinda shocked I'm having to see the letters "GM" posted at me as if Tepper bows down or in any way follows what his General Managers are telling him. Tepper is in total charge, that resume I listed proves it

It's not true that he made the moves.
He was interviewed today. Reich was interviewed also.

It's also easily something you can Google to see who made the move.
.
He did write a play on a napkin that was from a Browns game he watched. He once handed it to the coach and said he thinks they should run it.

He once asked how come so many screens to CMC and why not these run plays. Suggested Parcells/Gibbs plays be run and the coach got furious until he reminded the coach all he was doing was repeating what he said he'd do to limit CMCs injury risk and the plays he'd run with another back to do so.

Nothing at all seems outrageous for an owner to ask. Play on a napkin weird, sure but if I owned a team maybe I'd do same. That he did it once probably means he felt out of place so he never did it again and...that just seems like normal guy stuff.

I would be the most annoying owner, for sure, because I'd have cut so many Titans and somewhere from middle of last year I'd have said Henry gets 20 carries or you're fired. "Hey I think you guys should run a play" is meddling sure but one time means nothing but fuel for overreacting.

Do I need to search here to find you not in favor of paying Cam twice or a big deal for Sam Darnold?

Guy is seeing the QB stinks and getting some super highly qualified guy (GM and/or coach) to add the proper QB and each time he hires a darn expert they're wrong. That would anger me too

Tepper's Resume...
-Spent a 3rd Rd pick on Will Grier
-Signed Teddy Bridgewater for $33,000,000 guaranteed
-He cut Cam Newton
-2nd, 4th and a 6th for Sam Darnold
-Trades Bridgewater for a 6th
-$18.85M option is exercised on Sam Darnold
-Then he signed Cam Newton
-Spends a 3rd Rd pick on Matt Corral
-Trades for Baker Mayfield
-Cuts Baker Mayfield
-Cuts Cam Newton again
-Drafts Bryce Young over CJ Stroud
-Then after the Matt Rhule era, he hires Frank Reich and HE FIRED HIM after 11 games


-Those facts and entries stand on their own and you can hate on them all you want and say Tepper had nothing to do with these moves, I accept that you believe Tepper is somehow innocent and absolved of all this but I cannot go down that rabbit hole with you.

Tepper is the constant in all of these moves,
How can you not acknowledge that but instead prefer to try and Shoot the Messenger? This is not about me but you for some reason want to try and twist it that way vs focusing on Tepper's complete ineptness as an owner.

The first thing you did was take exception about CMC not being on the list...this is a timeline that outlines what Tepper has done at the QB spot.
I didn't even mention his other debacles like the Panthers Headquarters that was not finished and then had to be demolished, there really is no end with what he's done since he took over.
I'm shocked people would want to defend him but going after the person listing his accomplishments so far seems a bit off target here.

Since you're going to keep pretending he's the GM then I'm going to remind you that Grier was very much like Willis and Ridder. Projected by many to be a mid to late first but he fell n fell.
Idk why anyone that plays FF would ever have a problem taking a shot on a first rounder that falls to the third- nevermind that he was a project and not given the keys as a starter in any camp or offseason

Ron Rivera
Perry Fewell
Matt Rhule
Steve WIlks
Frank Reich
Chris Tabor

6th Head Coach in less than 6 years
And as was stated when I 1st posted, it's a timeline, you can like or dislike whichever ones you want.
It's funny when you read that list out loud, both the timeline and all these coaches

Did they do well in Carolina?
Did they do well as an NFL head coach after?

 

[fatness]

I had commented yesterday that Frank has looked tired and low energy to me going back to last year.

Listened to a podcast yesterday after I said that, and Michael Lombardi was saying similar stuff-so I was not only one getting that vibe. Accoring to Lombardi after the Colts fired him, he moved to North Carolina and was ready to pretty much retire. Carolina came calling, they were impressed with him in the interview and everything seemed like a natural fit for him to take the job so he did. Lombardi was saying it's like he lost his fastball, his heart just did seem to be into it and again that's the vibe I got. He think Wentz broke his spirts and that timeline actually checks.

Frank already said yesterday he thinks this is the end of his NFL journey, maybe not coaching but NFL. My prediction is he's done coaching, and will be invigorated when he pursues something related to his faith, which is where I think his real passion is these days.

All I got to add is I don't blame Tepper for seeing this and moving on, though obviously should have seen it before they hired him. Just not the guy to spearhead a rebuild.

Tepper should have immediately fired himself when he took Young over Stroud. Reich wanted Stroud and was overruled by Tepper, as was posted earlier.

For both of you and everyone else in here let's go thru a brief timeline of events since David Tepper arrived in Carolina, many of them revolve around the QB
And for some reason I feel like @karl.Racki will be very proud of me for doing this

-Spent a 3rd Rd pick on Will Grier
-Signed Teddy Bridgewater for $33,000,000 guaranteed
-He cut Cam Newton
-2nd, 4th and a 6th for Sam Darnold
-Trades Bridgewater for a 6th
-$18.85M option is exercised on Sam Darnold
-Then he signed Cam Newton
-Spends a 3rd Rd pick on Matt Corral
-Trades for Baker Mayfield
-Cuts Baker Mayfield
-Cuts Cam Newton again
-Drafts Bryce Young over CJ Stroud
-Then after the Matt Rhule era, he hires Frank Reich and HE FIRED HIM after 11 games

David Tepper is absolutely the problem there and anyone who thinks otherwise is fooling themselves

He isn't the GM
You somehow left out trading CMC
He didn't make the moves. We all didn't like most of these moves at all so guess what he fired the guy that made them. None of this is surprising except in totality that it continues and he's frustrated which he should be.
Baker was some sort of asked to be released thing and the Rams did about the same thing.

I love this THREE month later "how dare he draft Young" stance people are taking too. Everyone had trouble picking a sure favorite and both were adored but somehow the owner is the GM and we're holding the rookies first eleven games to how his whole career will be.

You missed that Reich was supposedly the man to develop QBs and wasn't doing well. That he changed the play caller over n over. He remade the Colts in Carolina and that was certainly not the plan.

Miles Sanders IS a feature back we should sign him to a big deal. These linemen are going to be a force and we'll have one of the best lines.
Tepper has every right to be furious and I can probably waste a night quoting everyone where they thought one of these was a bad move too.

This is so ridiculous

Everywhere I read and hear about him, the word "meddlesome" comes up a lot.
I know it's hard when you root for the team to accept you have an overbearing spoiled child that has no patience as your owner but I promise you're not alone.
I have very little respect, in fact I would say none for Stephen Ross the owner of Miami. Caught cheating and lost a 1st and 3rd round pick over the Sean Payton and Tom Brady debacle plus the last head coach that filed a lawsuit on him for openly wanting him to lose games so Miami could get a higher pick in the Draft

But let's stay focused on Tepper, to not acknowledge that he is involved in all these moves would be incredibly naive, I'm kinda shocked I'm having to see the letters "GM" posted at me as if Tepper bows down or in any way follows what his General Managers are telling him. Tepper is in total charge, that resume I listed proves it

It's not true that he made the moves.
He was interviewed today. Reich was interviewed also.

It's also easily something you can Google to see who made the move.
.
He did write a play on a napkin that was from a Browns game he watched. He once handed it to the coach and said he thinks they should run it.

He once asked how come so many screens to CMC and why not these run plays. Suggested Parcells/Gibbs plays be run and the coach got furious until he reminded the coach all he was doing was repeating what he said he'd do to limit CMCs injury risk and the plays he'd run with another back to do so.

Nothing at all seems outrageous for an owner to ask. Play on a napkin weird, sure but if I owned a team maybe I'd do same. That he did it once probably means he felt out of place so he never did it again and...that just seems like normal guy stuff.

I would be the most annoying owner, for sure, because I'd have cut so many Titans and somewhere from middle of last year I'd have said Henry gets 20 carries or you're fired. "Hey I think you guys should run a play" is meddling sure but one time means nothing but fuel for overreacting.

Do I need to search here to find you not in favor of paying Cam twice or a big deal for Sam Darnold?

Guy is seeing the QB stinks and getting some super highly qualified guy (GM and/or coach) to add the proper QB and each time he hires a darn expert they're wrong. That would anger me too

Tepper's Resume...
-Spent a 3rd Rd pick on Will Grier
-Signed Teddy Bridgewater for $33,000,000 guaranteed
-He cut Cam Newton
-2nd, 4th and a 6th for Sam Darnold
-Trades Bridgewater for a 6th
-$18.85M option is exercised on Sam Darnold
-Then he signed Cam Newton
-Spends a 3rd Rd pick on Matt Corral
-Trades for Baker Mayfield
-Cuts Baker Mayfield
-Cuts Cam Newton again
-Drafts Bryce Young over CJ Stroud
-Then after the Matt Rhule era, he hires Frank Reich and HE FIRED HIM after 11 games


-Those facts and entries stand on their own and you can hate on them all you want and say Tepper had nothing to do with these moves, I accept that you believe Tepper is somehow innocent and absolved of all this but I cannot go down that rabbit hole with you.

Tepper is the constant in all of these moves,
How can you not acknowledge that but instead prefer to try and Shoot the Messenger? This is not about me but you for some reason want to try and twist it that way vs focusing on Tepper's complete ineptness as an owner.

The first thing you did was take exception about CMC not being on the list...this is a timeline that outlines what Tepper has done at the QB spot.
I didn't even mention his other debacles like the Panthers Headquarters that was not finished and then had to be demolished, there really is no end with what he's done since he took over.
I'm shocked people would want to defend him but going after the person listing his accomplishments so far seems a bit off target here.

Since you're going to keep pretending he's the GM then I'm going to remind you that Grier was very much like Willis and Ridder. Projected by many to be a mid to late first but he fell n fell.
Idk why anyone that plays FF would ever have a problem taking a shot on a first rounder that falls to the third- nevermind that he was a project and not given the keys as a starter in any camp or offseason

Ron Rivera
Perry Fewell
Matt Rhule
Steve WIlks
Frank Reich
Chris Tabor

6th Head Coach in less than 6 years
And as was stated when I 1st posted, it's a timeline, you can like or dislike whichever ones you want.
It's funny when you read that list out loud, both the timeline and all these coaches

Did they do well in Carolina?
Did they do well as an NFL head coach after?

Wilks did pretty well in Carolina. The Panthers traded McCaffrey, fired their head coach, and left a very weak team for Wilks to deal with as "interim" head coach. He went 6-6. And of course since the owner is an ******* Wilks wasn't retained as head coach, despite doing well with what he had.

 

[Bri]

I had commented yesterday that Frank has looked tired and low energy to me going back to last year.

Listened to a podcast yesterday after I said that, and Michael Lombardi was saying similar stuff-so I was not only one getting that vibe. Accoring to Lombardi after the Colts fired him, he moved to North Carolina and was ready to pretty much retire. Carolina came calling, they were impressed with him in the interview and everything seemed like a natural fit for him to take the job so he did. Lombardi was saying it's like he lost his fastball, his heart just did seem to be into it and again that's the vibe I got. He think Wentz broke his spirts and that timeline actually checks.

Frank already said yesterday he thinks this is the end of his NFL journey, maybe not coaching but NFL. My prediction is he's done coaching, and will be invigorated when he pursues something related to his faith, which is where I think his real passion is these days.

All I got to add is I don't blame Tepper for seeing this and moving on, though obviously should have seen it before they hired him. Just not the guy to spearhead a rebuild.

Tepper should have immediately fired himself when he took Young over Stroud. Reich wanted Stroud and was overruled by Tepper, as was posted earlier.

For both of you and everyone else in here let's go thru a brief timeline of events since David Tepper arrived in Carolina, many of them revolve around the QB
And for some reason I feel like @karl.Racki will be very proud of me for doing this

-Spent a 3rd Rd pick on Will Grier
-Signed Teddy Bridgewater for $33,000,000 guaranteed
-He cut Cam Newton
-2nd, 4th and a 6th for Sam Darnold
-Trades Bridgewater for a 6th
-$18.85M option is exercised on Sam Darnold
-Then he signed Cam Newton
-Spends a 3rd Rd pick on Matt Corral
-Trades for Baker Mayfield
-Cuts Baker Mayfield
-Cuts Cam Newton again
-Drafts Bryce Young over CJ Stroud
-Then after the Matt Rhule era, he hires Frank Reich and HE FIRED HIM after 11 games

David Tepper is absolutely the problem there and anyone who thinks otherwise is fooling themselves

He isn't the GM
You somehow left out trading CMC
He didn't make the moves. We all didn't like most of these moves at all so guess what he fired the guy that made them. None of this is surprising except in totality that it continues and he's frustrated which he should be.
Baker was some sort of asked to be released thing and the Rams did about the same thing.

I love this THREE month later "how dare he draft Young" stance people are taking too. Everyone had trouble picking a sure favorite and both were adored but somehow the owner is the GM and we're holding the rookies first eleven games to how his whole career will be.

You missed that Reich was supposedly the man to develop QBs and wasn't doing well. That he changed the play caller over n over. He remade the Colts in Carolina and that was certainly not the plan.

Miles Sanders IS a feature back we should sign him to a big deal. These linemen are going to be a force and we'll have one of the best lines.
Tepper has every right to be furious and I can probably waste a night quoting everyone where they thought one of these was a bad move too.

This is so ridiculous

Everywhere I read and hear about him, the word "meddlesome" comes up a lot.
I know it's hard when you root for the team to accept you have an overbearing spoiled child that has no patience as your owner but I promise you're not alone.
I have very little respect, in fact I would say none for Stephen Ross the owner of Miami. Caught cheating and lost a 1st and 3rd round pick over the Sean Payton and Tom Brady debacle plus the last head coach that filed a lawsuit on him for openly wanting him to lose games so Miami could get a higher pick in the Draft

But let's stay focused on Tepper, to not acknowledge that he is involved in all these moves would be incredibly naive, I'm kinda shocked I'm having to see the letters "GM" posted at me as if Tepper bows down or in any way follows what his General Managers are telling him. Tepper is in total charge, that resume I listed proves it

It's not true that he made the moves.
He was interviewed today. Reich was interviewed also.

It's also easily something you can Google to see who made the move.
.
He did write a play on a napkin that was from a Browns game he watched. He once handed it to the coach and said he thinks they should run it.

He once asked how come so many screens to CMC and why not these run plays. Suggested Parcells/Gibbs plays be run and the coach got furious until he reminded the coach all he was doing was repeating what he said he'd do to limit CMCs injury risk and the plays he'd run with another back to do so.

Nothing at all seems outrageous for an owner to ask. Play on a napkin weird, sure but if I owned a team maybe I'd do same. That he did it once probably means he felt out of place so he never did it again and...that just seems like normal guy stuff.

I would be the most annoying owner, for sure, because I'd have cut so many Titans and somewhere from middle of last year I'd have said Henry gets 20 carries or you're fired. "Hey I think you guys should run a play" is meddling sure but one time means nothing but fuel for overreacting.

Do I need to search here to find you not in favor of paying Cam twice or a big deal for Sam Darnold?

Guy is seeing the QB stinks and getting some super highly qualified guy (GM and/or coach) to add the proper QB and each time he hires a darn expert they're wrong. That would anger me too

Tepper's Resume...
-Spent a 3rd Rd pick on Will Grier
-Signed Teddy Bridgewater for $33,000,000 guaranteed
-He cut Cam Newton
-2nd, 4th and a 6th for Sam Darnold
-Trades Bridgewater for a 6th
-$18.85M option is exercised on Sam Darnold
-Then he signed Cam Newton
-Spends a 3rd Rd pick on Matt Corral
-Trades for Baker Mayfield
-Cuts Baker Mayfield
-Cuts Cam Newton again
-Drafts Bryce Young over CJ Stroud
-Then after the Matt Rhule era, he hires Frank Reich and HE FIRED HIM after 11 games


-Those facts and entries stand on their own and you can hate on them all you want and say Tepper had nothing to do with these moves, I accept that you believe Tepper is somehow innocent and absolved of all this but I cannot go down that rabbit hole with you.

Tepper is the constant in all of these moves,
How can you not acknowledge that but instead prefer to try and Shoot the Messenger? This is not about me but you for some reason want to try and twist it that way vs focusing on Tepper's complete ineptness as an owner.

The first thing you did was take exception about CMC not being on the list...this is a timeline that outlines what Tepper has done at the QB spot.
I didn't even mention his other debacles like the Panthers Headquarters that was not finished and then had to be demolished, there really is no end with what he's done since he took over.
I'm shocked people would want to defend him but going after the person listing his accomplishments so far seems a bit off target here.

Since you're going to keep pretending he's the GM then I'm going to remind you that Grier was very much like Willis and Ridder. Projected by many to be a mid to late first but he fell n fell.
Idk why anyone that plays FF would ever have a problem taking a shot on a first rounder that falls to the third- nevermind that he was a project and not given the keys as a starter in any camp or offseason

Ron Rivera
Perry Fewell
Matt Rhule
Steve WIlks
Frank Reich
Chris Tabor

6th Head Coach in less than 6 years
And as was stated when I 1st posted, it's a timeline, you can like or dislike whichever ones you want.
It's funny when you read that list out loud, both the timeline and all these coaches

Did they do well in Carolina?
Did they do well as an NFL head coach after?

Wilks did pretty well in Carolina. The Panthers traded McCaffrey, fired their head coach, and left a very weak team for Wilks to deal with as "interim" head coach. He went 6-6. And of course since the owner is an ******* Wilks wasn't retained as head coach, despite doing well with what he had.

I agree he did well.
I don't know that wanting a QB guru with the draft predictable was the wrong concept. (I firmly believe Reich wrecked his guru label)

I would have kept him. First good thing in a while, team supported him, etc. But eh QB guru route is a common one.

It's really like he hired Whisenhunt but people are all supportive of Reich and blaming the owner.

Maybe Willis will get interviewed this time and turn him down

 

[Bri]

The Titans covered Theilen with Roger McCreary and a delayed double from LB Monty Rice.
How is that too much for Reich to overcome?

A playground kid would either send Theilen deep every play or bench him and that would have been a better reaction than the apparent nothing he did.

Chuba ran right to the spot Rice vacated and has a big catch n gain. Why didn't they do that again? Even the announcers pointed out how easy it was.

I haven't liked a rookie WR there since Moore probably longer. How come they all stink? How come Lavishka was a RB?

They were the best secondary on paper like two years ago.

He did nothing to squash problems

 

[Da Guru]

Has anyone put pen to paper on this, yet?
Math of Pain will be happy to add up all the loot Frank Reich has stolen in the last 12-18 months
This is one of the great robberies in American History

Colts-$36,000,000 $36 Million thru 2026
Panthers- $25,000/$25k a day for the next 3 years

How much money did Frank Reich steal?
MoP grand total is about $63 Million, that's 5x more than every member in Danny Ocean's crew when they knock over the Bellagio
Frank Ocean should be this guy's name
David Tepper plays Te

Seems like a solid guy but there has not been a head coach in the NFL since the beginning of last season who just seemed more tired to me then Frank and I felt that showed in his team(s). I know, that's not much of a scouting profile or deep intel on my part to just say a guy looked tired, but everything about him just gave off a low energy vibe and again so did his team(s).

Feels like he has been aging fast. Looks tired and a lot greyer.

Wait until you see Frank in a month or two, he will look like he found the Foutain of Youth after kicking it on a beach somewhere and asking his accountant if his bank statements are "real" Accountants will say "Yes your check from Indy was deposited last week, Carolina`s check will clear today" and every other week for 4 more years.

 

[Brunell4MVP]

We should all be so lucky as to be paid not to work. With Snyder gone, Tepper made a quick ascent to worst NFL owner.

 

[GregR]

I had commented yesterday that Frank has looked tired and low energy to me going back to last year.

Listened to a podcast yesterday after I said that, and Michael Lombardi was saying similar stuff-so I was not only one getting that vibe. Accoring to Lombardi after the Colts fired him, he moved to North Carolina and was ready to pretty much retire. Carolina came calling, they were impressed with him in the interview and everything seemed like a natural fit for him to take the job so he did. Lombardi was saying it's like he lost his fastball, his heart just did seem to be into it and again that's the vibe I got. He think Wentz broke his spirts and that timeline actually checks.

Frank already said yesterday he thinks this is the end of his NFL journey, maybe not coaching but NFL. My prediction is he's done coaching, and will be invigorated when he pursues something related to his faith, which is where I think his real passion is these days.

All I got to add is I don't blame Tepper for seeing this and moving on, though obviously should have seen it before they hired him. Just not the guy to spearhead a rebuild.

Tepper should have immediately fired himself when he took Young over Stroud. Reich wanted Stroud and was overruled by Tepper, as was posted earlier.

For both of you and everyone else in here let's go thru a brief timeline of events since David Tepper arrived in Carolina, many of them revolve around the QB
And for some reason I feel like @karl.Racki will be very proud of me for doing this

-Spent a 3rd Rd pick on Will Grier
-Signed Teddy Bridgewater for $33,000,000 guaranteed
-He cut Cam Newton
-2nd, 4th and a 6th for Sam Darnold
-Trades Bridgewater for a 6th
-$18.85M option is exercised on Sam Darnold
-Then he signed Cam Newton
-Spends a 3rd Rd pick on Matt Corral
-Trades for Baker Mayfield
-Cuts Baker Mayfield
-Cuts Cam Newton again
-Drafts Bryce Young over CJ Stroud
-Then after the Matt Rhule era, he hires Frank Reich and HE FIRED HIM after 11 games

David Tepper is absolutely the problem there and anyone who thinks otherwise is fooling themselves

He isn't the GM
You somehow left out trading CMC
He didn't make the moves. We all didn't like most of these moves at all so guess what he fired the guy that made them. None of this is surprising except in totality that it continues and he's frustrated which he should be.
Baker was some sort of asked to be released thing and the Rams did about the same thing.

I love this THREE month later "how dare he draft Young" stance people are taking too. Everyone had trouble picking a sure favorite and both were adored but somehow the owner is the GM and we're holding the rookies first eleven games to how his whole career will be.

You missed that Reich was supposedly the man to develop QBs and wasn't doing well. That he changed the play caller over n over. He remade the Colts in Carolina and that was certainly not the plan.

Miles Sanders IS a feature back we should sign him to a big deal. These linemen are going to be a force and we'll have one of the best lines.
Tepper has every right to be furious and I can probably waste a night quoting everyone where they thought one of these was a bad move too.

This is so ridiculous

@GregR

-No No, MoP is not 3 months late, he's not Johnny come lately on CJ Stroud, ask the Houston Texans fan base around here and Greg is usually in the Houston thread
-I've been ripping Tepper and Carolina since Day 1, the trade it self and mortgaging the '24 1st to jump to No 1 and then not take Stroud who was easily the most NFL ready.

I was extremely vocal about my admiration of Stroud and that Houston had somehow gotten lucky and backed into him even after they **** the bed beating the Bears and losing the No 1 pick last season. I am on record for sure as almost begrudgingly having to congratulate the Texans. These same Texans that I lambasted for allowing things to fall apart after their Playoff appearance vs the Chiefs, and I still do not trust that the owner there is going to do the right thing. I have serious doubts but I do think much like the Bengals had Burrow fall in their lap and then magically they make a SB appearance, it's possible we could see Houston in a Super Bowl in the not too distant future just because of Stroud.

And going back to Tepper for a minute, as I recall you took exception when i went after Tepper for running Ron Rivera out and talking some big smack about what he was going to do as owner of the team, that feeling I had about him then is largely backed up by Tepper's resume.
I wish you wouldn't take it so hard when i rip on Tepper, he deserves every bit of it and things are not going to change soon.
What type of coaching candidates are going to want to be in Carolina, especially saddled with a QB they didn't draft or want and no 1st Rd pick in '24
It's not good.

I don't really have insights to add about Carolina's situation, but will confirm MoP was touting Stroud well before the draft and saying it was to Houston's benefit having #2 if Young ended up going #1.

Full marks on calling it advance. I won't throw stones at Carolina either though. While it wasn't an overwhelming consensus among NFL evaluators, I think most had Young at the top. And it's not like it's easy to project how QBs will do. Look at most any draft and you'll see a lot of examples where teams got it wrong.

 

[Dickies]

Has anyone put pen to paper on this, yet?
Math of Pain will be happy to add up all the loot Frank Reich has stolen in the last 12-18 months
This is one of the great robberies in American History

Colts-$36,000,000 $36 Million thru 2026
Panthers- $25,000/$25k a day for the next 3 years

How much money did Frank Reich steal?
MoP grand total is about $63 Million, that's 5x more than every member in Danny Ocean's crew when they knock over the Bellagio
Frank Ocean should be this guy's name
David Tepper plays Terry Benedict

What on earth are you talking about?

What am I talking about?
What are you talking about?
The guy is going to get paid out $63,000,000
That's pure robbery

Sounds like a good gig

 

[JohnnyU]

Has anyone put pen to paper on this, yet?
Math of Pain will be happy to add up all the loot Frank Reich has stolen in the last 12-18 months
This is one of the great robberies in American History

Colts-$36,000,000 $36 Million thru 2026
Panthers- $25,000/$25k a day for the next 3 years

How much money did Frank Reich steal?
MoP grand total is about $63 Million, that's 5x more than every member in Danny Ocean's crew when they knock over the Bellagio
Frank Ocean should be this guy's name
David Tepper plays Terry Benedict

What on earth are you talking about?

What am I talking about?
What are you talking about?
The guy is going to get paid out $63,000,000
That's pure robbery

Sounds like a good gig

Yeah, good money for a guy that will have the lasting legacy of a terrible coach. I'm sure he cares about that too, but the money is nice.

 

[massraider]

What went wrong

The Athletic spoke to more than 20 Panthers coaches, players and other league sources, some of whom were granted anonymity so they could speak freely. They painted a picture of dysfunction inside the Panthers’ offices, with assistant coaches undermining other coaches as many went into self-preservation mode when it became clear Reich’s days were numbered.

Team sources described a “Hunger Games” culture at Bank of America Stadium. Coaches said they believed other staff members were text messaging Tepper behind Reich’s back about issues they saw with the team. In one instance, general manager Scott Fitterer and an offensive coach went to Tepper with a coaching suggestion for the quarterback.
“People just finger-pointing hoping they don’t get exposed,” said one assistant.

Days before Thanksgiving, with the team spiraling and Young getting pummeled, Tepper told Reich to fix the rookie’s footwork. Fitterer and others had told Tepper that Young’s feet were the cause of some of the Panthers’ protection issues. They believed Young wasn’t dropping back deep enough on his pass sets.

Tepper has been criticized for micromanaging and getting hands-on with football decisions. Prior to the 2019 season, he persuaded then-head coach Ron Rivera to switch to a 3-4 defense — which Tepper was familiar with as a former Pittsburgh Steelers minority partner — and drove the team’s interest in Deshaun Watson before the quarterback was traded to Cleveland in 2022.

Tepper’s instruction about Young’s footwork came after weekly conversations between Tepper and Reich on Young’s development and early struggles.

League sources said Tepper struggled with the decision to fire Reich. But the combination of Young’s difficulty understanding Reich’s offense, specifically the reads, timing and ball placement, as well as Young’s lack of protection, convinced the owner the organization wasn’t helping its quarterback, but ruining him.

 

[massraider]

Reich’s firing came 10 months after he was named the first offensive-minded head coach in Panthers history. At Reich’s introductory news conference, Tepper boasted of Reich’s ability to build a top-10 staff that “should be an absolute standard.” With Tepper supplying the capital, Reich assembled one of the NFL’s largest staffs, stocked with a pair of former head coaches (Dom Capers and Jim Caldwell), two ascending coordinators (Thomas Brown and Ejiro Evero) and several other well-known assistants.

Tepper also encouraged Reich to go outside of his “circle” with some of the hires. As such, many of the offensive coaches had never worked together and brought different philosophies to an offense that would be led by a rookie quarterback from Week 1. Besides the disagreements in scheme, there were personality conflicts and factions formed on a staff that included two main holdovers from Rhule’s staff — offensive line coach James Campen and special teams coordinator Chris Tabor, both of whom were retained at Tepper’s urging.
After Tepper named Tabor interim coach last week, one of Tabor’s first moves was to fire quarterbacks coach Josh McCown and running backs coach Duce Staley, who was on Philadelphia’s staff with Reich in 2017 when the Eagles won the Super Bowl. Staley was still with the Eagles two years later when McCown played for the team.

The 44-year-old McCown logged 17 seasons in the NFL as a backup quarterback. McCown twice interviewed for the Houston Texans’ head-coaching vacancy, but his Panthers’ role was his first NFL coaching job.

Some in Carolina thought Reich and McCown weren’t tough enough on Young as the 2021 Heisman Trophy winner from Alabama got off to a bumpy start.

Reich, Fitterer and the offensive coaches decided the priority before Young’s first season was preparing him to call plays in the huddle for the first time and giving him time to absorb a playbook that blended Reich’s system with wide zone concepts Brown bought from the Los Angeles Rams. Any tweaks or changes the Panthers wanted to make to Young’s mechanics would wait until the offseason.

But Young has been taking a beating. He’s been sacked 44 times and is on pace to finish with 64, which would be the fourth-highest total in NFL history. Some in the organization believed inconsistent depth on his dropbacks was at least part of the issue for the 5-foot-10 quarterback.

 

[massraider]

After Tepper delivered the message to do something about it, McCown began working with Young on his footwork before the Panthers’ Week 12 game at Tennessee — three months into the season. Veteran backup quarterback Andy Dalton said Young’s dropbacks were among the teaching points during the Panthers’ Thanksgiving week practices.

“Footwork’s a part of playing this game. And it’s not changing his footwork,” Dalton said. “I think it’s just an emphasis on just keeping it consistent. I went through it, too. On certain throws, you want your footwork to look similar and all that kind of stuff. So I think it’s just more of an emphasis on that.”
One source said he didn’t notice much change in Young’s dropbacks against the Titans, who had four sacks and six hits on Young in a 17-10 loss that dropped the Panthers to a league-worst 1-10. As he left the visitors locker room in Nashville, a visibly irritated Tepper shook his head and yelled, “F—!”

Reich was gone by the next morning, fired after the NFL’s shortest head-coaching stint since 1978 — and for the second time in as many seasons. Reich went 40-33-1 in five seasons in Indianapolis before being let go in November 2022.

Reich, who turned 62 on Monday, would often use the phrase “diversity of thought” when describing his staff. But trying to incorporate Brown’s ideas into his system — featuring shotgun sets and a horizontal-stretch pass game — proved to be clunky.

“It’s just not a good offense,” one staffer said. “You didn’t see Indy’s offense when they (were second in) the league in rushing (in 2021). You didn’t see Philly when he was there or when he was with the Chargers and those dynamic offenses. You didn’t see any of that.”

But many in league circles — including talent evaluators with other teams — question whether Fitterer surrounded Young with enough playmakers after the GM sent No. 1 receiver DJ Moore to Chicago as part of the deal for the first pick. The Panthers are 13-33 since Fitterer arrived in 2021, a .283 winning percentage that is tied with the Bears for the worst mark over that span. Fitterer has been given no assurances about his future in Charlotte, according to a league source.

 

[massraider]

With the Panthers 0-6 at the bye, Reich turned play calling over to the 37-year-old Brown, who coached running backs and tight ends with the Rams but had never called plays. After the Panthers beat Houston 15-13 in the first game after the change, Reich gave Brown a game ball and later got choked up talking about the moment.

But the Houston win was followed by losses to Indianapolis and Chicago, both of which had losing records and were missing their starting quarterbacks. The Panthers managed just 13 points in both losses and failed to score an offensive touchdown against the Bears.
The heat was turning up on Reich, with The Athletic reporting after the game against the Bears that ownership needed to see more progress on offense. Reich was getting the message as well: On the Monday following the Week 10 loss at Chicago, Reich announced he would be calling plays again.

Reich’s reversal further divided the offensive staff, with one assistant saying, “That was shocking.”
After seeing Young play well in hurry-up mode at the end of a couple of lopsided losses early in the season, Reich wanted to use more no-huddle offense and thought he was better equipped than Brown to run it. In Reich’s first game back as play caller, a 33-10 loss to Dallas, the Panthers finished with a season-low 187 yards and Young was sacked seven times. In fairness, the Cowboys are top five in the league in yards and points allowed and rank seventh in sacks.

The wounds from Reich’s reversal on play calling haven’t healed yet. When asked last week about Reich’s impact on him, Brown called it a “loaded question” before adding he was fortunate for the opportunity Reich gave him.

The Panthers’ defensive assistants, nearly all of whom had worked with Evero previously, have been more aligned, according to sources.

But that has not been the case on the offensive side. At one point, several coaches wanted to bench Young in favor of Dalton, who had the Panthers’ only 300-yard passing game when Young missed the Week 3 game at Seattle with an ankle injury. But those conversations never reached Reich, Fitterer or ownership, according to high-ranking team sources.

Other coaches felt they couldn’t voice their opinions without being viewed as malcontents.

Several sources said Reich would call out Young for mistakes during team-wide film reviews — as he did other players — early in the season but backed off in recent weeks, with Young’s confidence in mind.

 

[massraider]

“You can coach a player hard,” said one staffer, “without killing his spirit.”

But one player said it wasn’t Reich’s nature or coaching style to be overly critical of any player or position group.

There also have been issues with scheme fits.

Brown’s background is with the Rams’ mid-zone and wide-zone runs, which weren’t a great match for some of the Panthers’ offensive linemen. Right guard Austin Corbett ran the scheme during three seasons in L.A., including the Rams’ Super Bowl season of 2021. But Corbett missed the first six games this year while recovering from ACL surgery, then injured his MCL in the same knee against Dallas in Week 11 and was lost for the season.

Center Bradley Bozeman conceded his more bruising skill set wasn’t ideal for the wide zone, best suited for quicker linemen who can occupy defensive linemen early in the play and then get to the second level.

“Running downhill is what I love to do,” Bozeman said. “That’s what I’ve made my money on. Unfortunately, we didn’t have many opportunities to do that.”

Reich experimented in training camp with putting Young under center, which Young did infrequently in college. Some concepts that might have helped negate an opponent’s pass rush, including play-action passes, are more effective when the quarterback is under center. But when the season started, Reich — Jim Kelly’s backup in the Bills’ K-Gun offenses during the 1990s — had Young lined up in pistol and shotgun sets almost exclusively.

With Brown back calling plays Sunday in a 21-18 loss at Tampa Bay, Young was under center for seven of the Panthers’ 13 first-quarter plays. But the familiar issues soon resurfaced; Young was sacked four times and threw an interception on his final pass to end any comeback hopes.

Reich’s efforts to boost Young’s confidence — some players viewed as overprotectiveness — continued through what turned out to be Reich’s final offensive play with the Panthers at Tennessee. Trailing by 7 and facing a fourth-and-6 at the two-minute warning, Young saw the Titans line up in what he believed to be Cover 0 — man coverage with no deep defender — and checked to a wide receiver screen to DJ Chark.

 

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Chark caught the ball four yards behind the line of scrimmage and was tackled for no gain by safety Amani Hooker, allowing the Titans to reclaim possession and run out the clock. After the game, Reich said it was the right check by Young and that Chark might have gotten too far behind the line of scrimmage. A clearly agitated Chark insisted the Titans were not in Cover 0 and the Panthers should have stuck with the original play call.

A former NFL head coach agreed, saying the Titans fooled Young into thinking they were in Cover 0 before dropping their backside safety to the post area.

That the postgame spotlight fell on one of the receivers was not a new development. The group’s difficulties getting open has been a season-long narrative.

“I don’t think we got the brunt of coaches’ criticism. But I do feel like we do get a lot of the blame when it comes to the success of the offense,” Chark said last week. “Obviously, when you talk about offense, the first thing that we say (is), ‘You’ve gotta give Bryce weapons,’ and things like that.”

The offensive problems have persisted all season: The Panthers are averaging 15.9 points a game and haven’t topped the 20-point barrier since a 42-21 loss at Miami on Oct. 15.

Bozeman isn’t sure whether the problems stem from scheme or personnel. “The fact of it is we didn’t really score many points this season,” he said. “We never could execute and get it to that point.”

The Panthers need someone who can get Young untracked and playing closer to the level of Texans rookie C.J. Stroud, Young’s friend and former AAU basketball rival in southern California. Tepper again is expected to focus his search on coaches with offensive backgrounds, with Detroit Lions offensive coordinator Ben Johnson — who canceled his interview with the Panthers last year — viewed as a top target.
Johnson is a native of Asheville, N.C., who played at North Carolina. But it might not be easy to lure him to Charlotte: Some in the Panthers’ organization, according to a league source, have been texting Johnson about how complicated it’s been to work in Carolina this season.

While Tepper prepares to start another coaching search and Reich, Staley and McCown contemplate their next moves, the players and remaining coaches will try to avoid becoming the first 1-16 team since the NFL adopted a 17-game schedule.

“I can honestly say I don’t think (Reich) was the sole problem and everything is fixed now,” Chark said. “We’ve still got a lot of stuff we have to fix.”