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Coaching Youth Sports - Crazy ### Parents (1 Viewer)
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Drunken knight
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This thread really grinds my gears
Actually with bases loaded and one out he should go where it takes him. To his left try and turn two the normal way. To his right step on bag and go one. Brings him in go home and to one. Slow hit he may have only had one choice to go to first.
I probably would have had corners in and his play is most likely going home with it unless it was hit hard enough to step on bag and go one.
Many options...haha......but none matter when the ump is on his keyster and the coaches aren't big enough to get the call right.
Cowboysfan8
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Cjw_55106
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mr. furley
Footballguy
parents... just... let your kids play. shut the hell up and watch. cheer and be a fan but cool it with the sideline coaching.
superdad stood behind the goal while his 6/7 year old daughter was in net and screamed at her like this was round 12 of a championship bout. jesus, ace. she's terrified of your voice. every time you scream she flinches and turns to look at you. you're hurting more than you're helping.
kid was doing great. she didn't need the encouragement or assistance.
superdad stood behind the goal while his 6/7 year old daughter was in net and screamed at her like this was round 12 of a championship bout. jesus, ace. she's terrified of your voice. every time you scream she flinches and turns to look at you. you're hurting more than you're helping.
kid was doing great. she didn't need the encouragement or assistance.
CletiusMaximus
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I had a beer with a neighbor last week who is moving his kid from one elite soccer club in town to a different elite soccer club in town, their 3rd move in 5 years. Complaining about the coach, the club management, cliques, etc. I knew what was coming, it always boils down to the same thing when this happens. Big tournament the prior weekend and his kid hardly played at all. Whenever some dad starts ranting about his kid’s coach, you just know his kid isn’t playing. If the kid is playing, the coach is a genius.
Peak
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I spoke with a friend of mine who is a LL umpire and he said the ump should've never made a "re-do" call, but rather stuck with the original call. All of the aftermath was due to the umpire waivering on his decision and letting the coaches from both sides dictate the game. I can see that point, but I agree with yours as well. He's only human, and to have only one umpire during semi-final games and championship games is pretty lazy. There should have been two umpires out there.
Peak
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Had a similar thing happen at my 10 year olds baseball game last weekend. The other team had dads hanging out in the dugout or right behind the backstop. They kept yelling at their kids on how to hit, run, slide, catch and throw the entire game. One kid hit a bomb of a hit and turned it into a triple. The dad was pissed it wasn't a homerun and started yelling at the kid from behind the backstop "why did you stop running? ignore the sign and keep going! don't be a lazy runner!" The third base coach finally had enough and yelled at all of them to stop what they were doing and go sit down. A lot of the parents from our side started clapping for him and thanking him for doing that as these dads were out of control.
These kids are 10 and just learning to play. Let them play and have some fun. We don't need dads out here trying to re-live their glory days through 10U LL Rec Baseball. It's ridiculous.
Kraft...
Footballguy
What kind of tournament only has one Ump per game? That's just asking for trouble IMO. Agree with what most have said, hitting team coaches should have done the right thing and made the call.
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soothsayer
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No tournament I've seen here in MN has two umpires until the semis/championship game. All pool play and early bracket has only one umpire, which sucks.
Cowboysfan8
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belljr
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My favorite part is they both drove from North Carolina to fight. Dummies.
Plus I've never heard of parents fighting over ump calls
Just dumb all around
Sabertooth
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Lol. I wonder how many voted for Trump.belljr said:
glvsav37
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yes, because only trump supporters are violent. Just #### and take your bull#### somewhere else.
these were just ##### parents that is all too typical in youth sports for MANY years now. White, black, fat, thin, R or D, it happens everywhere and it is disgusting. The look on the little girl's face, crying watching her doofus parents rolling around on the grass says all you need ot say about this. She doesn't give a F about who anyone voted for, she just wants to go play a game and have fun.
I have been a referee for close to 20 years (in NY a very Blue state) and this #### has been going on since the day I started.
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Cowboysfan8
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Sabertooth
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Don't Noonan
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shadyridr
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Don't Noonan
Footballguy
You mentioned the other teams have multiple travel ball kids. For our Little League in Arizona all the travel ball kids are drafted early and spread out.
shadyridr
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Not in ours. I wish it was like that. In ours, each teams gets to protect 4 "coaches" kids. A lot of teams lie and really just protect good kids and the parents never actually coach. The rest of the draft is pretty standard after that.
Sabertooth
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shadyridr
Footballguy
Yeah for some reason the league doesnt care. Maybe because the team that always wins has the director's son on it. Bottom line, I dont care enough to make a big fuss. I still enjoy managing and in a 7 team division we are still competitive against 5 teams.
Sabertooth
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Bull Dozier
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It is just the standard around here. Maybe because it is baseball, and baseball isn't exactly the state sport of Minnesota.
Travel games only have one ump. Babe Ruth league games only have one up. Freshman and B Squad season games only have one ump (I don't recall if JV games had one or two). I don't know varsity yet. Just the way I have always seen it until you get to the semi's of a tournament, or the Babe Ruth playoffs.
Sabertooth
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shadyridr
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irish eyes
Footballguy
How long did it take you to come up that gem. Stay in the political threads if that's all you have to add.
Don't Noonan
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Wow, 4 kids is a lot. In our draft this spring it was only the 1 head coaches son that was protected. Also, the league director assigned a "round" value of the managers kid. For example, if I was a head coach and my son was assigned a 1st round grade my son would automatically be my 1st round pick, if 4th round he would be my 4th round pick.
We used to be able to protect 2 kids, head coach and assistant coach son. This changed 2 years ago when people complained and they looked up the National Little League rules which states 1.
Sabertooth
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belljr
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Its funny someone liked an old post of mine - it had to do with the old guard on our board set in their ways.
Anyway that is still going on but it made for another interesting rec season.
Reason being - 10U we have plenty of teams to stay in house with our teams.
12U we had 1 travel team and 2 in house rec teams. Well these 2 rec teams had to play in the local league.
They played in the lowest level available and both teams combine won a total of 2 games. The president spun it like the girls siad they all had fun etc but the head coach said he knew they were in trouble when the show up and the other teams have matching bags
They just don't understand - our numbers no longer dictate us staying with a "fun" in house league. They are going to start losing both ends of the spectrum now imo. Which we said they would but
Anyway that is still going on but it made for another interesting rec season.
Reason being - 10U we have plenty of teams to stay in house with our teams.
12U we had 1 travel team and 2 in house rec teams. Well these 2 rec teams had to play in the local league.
They played in the lowest level available and both teams combine won a total of 2 games. The president spun it like the girls siad they all had fun etc but the head coach said he knew they were in trouble when the show up and the other teams have matching bags
They just don't understand - our numbers no longer dictate us staying with a "fun" in house league. They are going to start losing both ends of the spectrum now imo. Which we said they would but
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Short Corner
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soothsayer
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That's how it's always been in my five years around travel ball. That said, we are seeing a big umpire shortage this year - partly because coaches/parents are driving young umpires out of the game, and partly because the guy who runs our umpire association is an ###.
As for the origins of this, I'm certain it's that the tourney organizers don't want to lose additional revenue in umpire costs. Why pay for two when everyone is used to just one?
Bull Dozier
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I remember my first time coaching baseball, and it was machine pitch, where they had high school kids umping the games. It was a relatively easy gig, as 95% of the pitches were strikes, and they just had to usually make out/safe calls at home and first. I only apprached an ump once during the season, tried to do it very cordially as he made an obvious blunder, but I felt bad even doing that much and never did it again. I saw coaches constantly argue stuff all season, and I couldn't belive grown men would talk to 13/14/15 year olds like that over a grade school in house baseball game.
You either have to have really thick skin, not care at all what other people think, be desperate for money, or completely oblivious to want to ref kids sports in my opinion. I would never do it.
belljr
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We used to have kids umpire. I would only approach them (after the inning or after the game if they made a wrong rules decision. More for their learning than complaining about it)
I would never argue - it would be more of a "hey just so you know, that type of play is not a force out or something like that"
But I'm apparently too normal to be coaching
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shadyridr
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There is an autistic umpire in our league (not a kid). He is by FAR the worst umpire ever. Strikes right down the middle of the plate he calls balls. Pitches over the kids head's are strikes. Makes blatantly bad calls on the bases. We had him for 4 games. In the 3rd game he cost us a win. In our league, you can't start an inning after 1 hour 45. We were minute past but he said "we can get another inning in". I argued a little but didnt make a scene because of his situation and because I didnt wanna seem like we were doing anything for a win vs a team who had no wins. We were up 6-5 at the time and lost in the last inning 7-6. I was livid and yet still bit my lip. Finally, we lost it in the 4th game. My son was pitching and the ump's strike zone was horrific. My wife was getting super frustrated on the sidelines, we all were. Parents got loud, I got loud. One of my coaches told him all the teams ask not to have him. Its a really bad situation. I told the league if he umps a playoff game I am walking my team off the field. Not sure what to do in this situation.
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Bull Dozier
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I used to coach in a Catholic school basketball league. There was a father son reffing duo. The son had Down Syndrome, and the dad had one eye. The kid, undestandably got a lot of calls wrong, and some of the time the dad would catch it and correct it. Often he wouldn't. It was almost a relief to have them though because you knew no matter what happened you weren't going to bother getting into a discussion with the refs about a call. Worrying about calls was taken off the table.
Sorry, but this one is on your team. The batter was clearly out. Visiting team isn’t going to go ape#### if he was clearly safe. If your coaches knew he was out, that’s bush league and really poor sportsmanship. A clean play at third is going to be an out 99% of the time if it’s a clean throw.
If a douchey coach is enough for you guys to not do the right thing the you are as bad as them. No chance I’d say nothing at first base ignore the runner is clearly out and you are taking advantage of an ump that fell to avoid a real out.
Sad when stuff like this happens. The other team sounds like jerks but you guys sound like cheaters happy get a two RBI single instead of an out. I can tell how you are acting a bit coy that you know he was out. Even if you didn’t watch I’m sure a few parents next to you did and you all just say there trying to diffuse the other team instead of doing the right thing.
Bull Dozier
Footballguy
That's a little harsh IMO. First, they are not "cheaters" for not umpiring the game as base coaches. That isn't their job. We all know refs/ups make mistakes in every game, and sometimes they are in your favor, and sometimes they are in the other teams favor. Every time a coach sees a wrong call and doesn't correct it is not a case of cheating.stbugs said:
Second, it really depends on the talent level. I don't know if peak ever said the level, but 12U is not old enough yet where a grounder to third is an automatic out at first. High 12U? Yes. Low? Definitely not.
I agree two wrongs don't make a right, and that the other teams actions don't justify an innappropriate response, but I think you're reading in too much.
C’mon. You know based on his tone and coyness (I was watching my son score) that it was an out. That’s cheating in my book. Also, this isn’t a close play/bad call, it was an ump falling and not seeing the play.
Last note, my son is 10U and often plays 3rd. If it’s a clean play and the 1st basemen caught the ball, it’s only not automatic if the first basemen was drawn off the bag. He gave us no indication that there was anything close to that. He mentioned the first base coach just going silent because the good will eroded and doing the right thing went out the window. I’m not reading into it too much, they caught a break because the ump fell and they were willing to cheat and get an extra out.
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Bull Dozier
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We're really getting into the woods here, and this is not the point. But, I have two boys now in high school that went through travel ball. I now go watch a buddy's 12 year old play ball a couple of times this summer. I've also watched VFW ball the last two seasons. The bolded is incorrect. Particularly at the younger ages, some players are still fast enough to beat out a slow grounder to third (if the 3B doesn't charge properly). Also, the 1B can receive a throw that does not pull him off the base, but bounces in the dirt, and he doesn't field it cleanly. Or, as you pointed out, he could be pulled off the base (slightly, or clearly). Your claim that these various scenarios happen on a hit to third happen 1% of the time or less is clearly wrong.
But, I'm not dying on the sword of this one. If you want to retort with anything, that's fine. This is my last post on the subject, and we aren't changing each other's mind absent more info from Peak.
mr. furley
Footballguy
we (6/7, boys & girls team) played the best team in our league last night. at this level if you have the best kid on the field.. you win 95% of the time.
they have one kid who is taller, faster & better with the ball than anyone else in the league. meaning he can actually kick the ball and isn't afraid to be aggressive.
they beat us 4-0. last time we played it was 9-1. so, improvement!
my philosophy is "all the kids play". and mix it up as much as possible. every kid should play offense, defense, midfield each game. only 4 quarters so only 4 chances to be in goal. but each kid will play and they will rotate between positions.. sometimes i even switch their positions mid-quarter. it's 9 v 9, so the first 9 kids to show up start and the remaining 6 are the first subs... usually a line change.. so 6 in and 6 out at once.
13 out of 15 kids want to play offense only. 1 kid only wants to play defense. then one girl doesn't want to play at all.
started the game with my best player & two of our.... less talented... players alongside. my daughter (who just barely wants to be there) and a kid who would rather lay on the ground than play in midfield.. then 3 of our better players on defense and the goalie. (0-0 at the end of 1).
shift change for quarter 2 (1-0) at the half.
the other team has not changed their lineup. their best player is playing forward and dominating the ball. their coach is yelling for anyone who has the ball to pass to his best kid. whatever. they have enough subs but he hasn't made any or changed his lineup.
the other team starts pushing, shoving, slide tackling (!!!) and generally being aggressive. ref is an 11 year old but he's doing a good job of whistling the bad stuff.
my kids are getting frustrated, a couple get knocked out of the game and we wind up losing
after the game, my best player's dad comes over to chat. he starts "hey coach.... i'm a coach.... football.... i have a question. sometimes teams play their best players, all the time, at the most important positions................... i notice you don't do that."
(grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrreeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaat. here comes the coaching advice. at 6/7 co-ed soccer we should be concentrating on winning at all costs. parents paid $40 to see their kids win and win big.)
"you know.. parents talk.. and we were talking tonight about how you rotate the kids a lot and don't just play your best players.... do you think that's weird?"
me: not really. i want all the kids to play. they're 6 & 7 and their parents came to see them play. i'm going to play them all & rotate them between all the positions. if we win, we win. if we lose, we lose. i just want the kids to have fun.
him: YES! THANK YOU! we were talking about how the other coach didn't sub any of his kids and kept his 3 best players at forward and how it wasn't fair to the kids on his bench that weren't playing. we love that you let all the kids play, so i thought you should hear that.
they have one kid who is taller, faster & better with the ball than anyone else in the league. meaning he can actually kick the ball and isn't afraid to be aggressive.
they beat us 4-0. last time we played it was 9-1. so, improvement!
my philosophy is "all the kids play". and mix it up as much as possible. every kid should play offense, defense, midfield each game. only 4 quarters so only 4 chances to be in goal. but each kid will play and they will rotate between positions.. sometimes i even switch their positions mid-quarter. it's 9 v 9, so the first 9 kids to show up start and the remaining 6 are the first subs... usually a line change.. so 6 in and 6 out at once.
13 out of 15 kids want to play offense only. 1 kid only wants to play defense. then one girl doesn't want to play at all.
started the game with my best player & two of our.... less talented... players alongside. my daughter (who just barely wants to be there) and a kid who would rather lay on the ground than play in midfield.. then 3 of our better players on defense and the goalie. (0-0 at the end of 1).
shift change for quarter 2 (1-0) at the half.
the other team has not changed their lineup. their best player is playing forward and dominating the ball. their coach is yelling for anyone who has the ball to pass to his best kid.
whatever. they have enough subs but he hasn't made any or changed his lineup.the other team starts pushing, shoving, slide tackling (!!!) and generally being aggressive. ref is an 11 year old but he's doing a good job of whistling the bad stuff.
my kids are getting frustrated, a couple get knocked out of the game and we wind up losing
after the game, my best player's dad comes over to chat. he starts "hey coach.... i'm a coach.... football.... i have a question. sometimes teams play their best players, all the time, at the most important positions................... i notice you don't do that."
(grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrreeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaat. here comes the coaching advice. at 6/7 co-ed soccer we should be concentrating on winning at all costs. parents paid $40 to see their kids win and win big.)
"you know.. parents talk.. and we were talking tonight about how you rotate the kids a lot and don't just play your best players.... do you think that's weird?"
me: not really. i want all the kids to play. they're 6 & 7 and their parents came to see them play. i'm going to play them all & rotate them between all the positions. if we win, we win. if we lose, we lose. i just want the kids to have fun.
him: YES! THANK YOU! we were talking about how the other coach didn't sub any of his kids and kept his 3 best players at forward and how it wasn't fair to the kids on his bench that weren't playing. we love that you let all the kids play, so i thought you should hear that.
Bull Dozier
Footballguy
Glad you got the parental recognition at the end. Everything you said here is 100% spot on for what youth teams should be doing.the other team has not changed their lineup. their best player is playing forward and dominating the ball. their coach is yelling for anyone who has the ball to pass to his best kid.
Reminds me of an 8th grade basketball game I coached. The other team had a kid who was 6'4" and just physically dominating (he not only could post up whenever he wanted, he could handle the ball and shoot threes). We had played this team the year prior and got waxed, and were motivated to play them tougher. We actually game them a game and it was close down to the final few minutes. Someone called a timeout and our other coach was giving our kids directions. I stepped back from the huddle and casually listened to the other teams huddle. Normally I wouldn't do this, but their coach was talking loud enough for the whole gym to hear. I don't remember the exact x's and o's, but if was to the effec of: "OK, we're going to get a good shot for Danny. You're going to inbound the ball, then set a screen for Danny. You're going to bring the ball up and get the ball to Danny. Then you set another screen for Danny, and Danny's going to drive and then Dannys going to shoot. If anything goes wrong, screen for Danny then get the ball to Danny, then get out of Dannys way, and Danny is going to do it all." (That's only a slight exageration).
As a 7th grader, he was already six feet tall, and this team's offense was comprised of getting the ball to half court, then lobbying it up to this kid on the block, who pivoted and put the ball in.
Hot Diggity Dog
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I did very similar in tee ball and coach pitch softball. Never had one parent complain and only a few leave. I think most people agree with it.we (6/7, boys & girls team) played the best team in our league last night. at this level if you have the best kid on the field.. you win 95% of the time.
they have one kid who is taller, faster & better with the ball than anyone else in the league. meaning he can actually kick the ball and isn't afraid to be aggressive.
they beat us 4-0. last time we played it was 9-1. so, improvement!
my philosophy is "all the kids play". and mix it up as much as possible. every kid should play offense, defense, midfield each game. only 4 quarters so only 4 chances to be in goal. but each kid will play and they will rotate between positions.. sometimes i even switch their positions mid-quarter. it's 9 v 9, so the first 9 kids to show up start and the remaining 6 are the first subs... usually a line change.. so 6 in and 6 out at once.
13 out of 15 kids want to play offense only. 1 kid only wants to play defense. then one girl doesn't want to play at all.
started the game with my best player & two of our.... less talented... players alongside. my daughter (who just barely wants to be there) and a kid who would rather lay on the ground than play in midfield.. then 3 of our better players on defense and the goalie. (0-0 at the end of 1).
shift change for quarter 2 (1-0) at the half.
the other team has not changed their lineup. their best player is playing forward and dominating the ball. their coach is yelling for anyone who has the ball to pass to his best kid.
the other team starts pushing, shoving, slide tackling (!!!) and generally being aggressive. ref is an 11 year old but he's doing a good job of whistling the bad stuff.
my kids are getting frustrated, a couple get knocked out of the game and we wind up losing
after the game, my best player's dad comes over to chat. he starts "hey coach.... i'm a coach.... football.... i have a question. sometimes teams play their best players, all the time, at the most important positions................... i notice you don't do that."
(grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrreeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaat. here comes the coaching advice. at 6/7 co-ed soccer we should be concentrating on winning at all costs. parents paid $40 to see their kids win and win big.)
"you know.. parents talk.. and we were talking tonight about how you rotate the kids a lot and don't just play your best players.... do you think that's weird?"
me: not really. i want all the kids to play. they're 6 & 7 and their parents came to see them play. i'm going to play them all & rotate them between all the positions. if we win, we win. if we lose, we lose. i just want the kids to have fun.
him: YES! THANK YOU! we were talking about how the other coach didn't sub any of his kids and kept his 3 best players at forward and how it wasn't fair to the kids on his bench that weren't playing. we love that you let all the kids play, so i thought you should hear that.
