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Can't believe it is coming to an end. Ordered the cake today dropped $100 at Party City for decorations for the party. My daughter is working on her graduation speech. May is the big AP test month--she has 4 of them to take and then she is done. She should end up with close to a 4.6 GPA--so I don't see how she could have worked any harder.

She is on her senior trip now and texts us probably every hour to just check in. Going away to college is going to be hard for her (and us), . 

 
How old are the kids and what school did you sample?

Depending on the kids ages, I found it best in the beginning to almost ignore what the school was teaching when we first visited and just let the child decide on atmosphere first.   

Big vs small

City vs rural

and things in between.

If the child can get a sense of which school size/location they prefer (some kids won't care either way), then you can start focusing more on majors to see if you can then narrow the choices down a bit.
It went as well as I could have hoped for. As I said, he was not interested in going. That said, he had nothing negative to say and has started some comments with "If I go there",  which is a good thing IMO. Its a very small school (1900) in a very small town.

 
Guidance counselor in our high school stresses that while our minimum requirement is to take 3 years of language (typically in 8th, 9th, 10th grade), it is important for students to take at least 4 years of foreign language (through 11th grade) to get considered by many colleges.  We were considering dropping language after 3 years to take AP Psych junior year instead (to see if that is a possible interest for career) but guidance counselor is trying to talk us out of it, saying without taking 4th year of language it would be very challenging to go into admissions process.

Anyone have any knowledge of this subject?

 
Guidance counselor in our high school stresses that while our minimum requirement is to take 3 years of language (typically in 8th, 9th, 10th grade), it is important for students to take at least 4 years of foreign language (through 11th grade) to get considered by many colleges.  We were considering dropping language after 3 years to take AP Psych junior year instead (to see if that is a possible interest for career) but guidance counselor is trying to talk us out of it, saying without taking 4th year of language it would be very challenging to go into admissions process.

Anyone have any knowledge of this subject?
Every college is different and should list how many years are required in each subject. For example, the school we just visited only requires 2 years of a language and additionally states:

"Applicants missing this requirement will not be denied admission if they are otherwise admissible".

 
Guidance counselor in our high school stresses that while our minimum requirement is to take 3 years of language (typically in 8th, 9th, 10th grade), it is important for students to take at least 4 years of foreign language (through 11th grade) to get considered by many colleges.  We were considering dropping language after 3 years to take AP Psych junior year instead (to see if that is a possible interest for career) but guidance counselor is trying to talk us out of it, saying without taking 4th year of language it would be very challenging to go into admissions process.

Anyone have any knowledge of this subject?
my daughter was in a similar position.  We handled this by doubling up one year by having her take latin AP.  That freed up her senior year to not take a language and still have 4 years worth of language.

Most of the higher competitive colleges do expect 3-4 years of language.  A lot comes down to where the child hopes to go.  If she applies to the more competitive schools she will be going up against kids with just as many AP's and 4 years of languages.

As a side note, colleges typically do not see any 8th grade items.  The transcripts they look at are from 9th grade on I believe.  That is where they do their counting from.  If one of the three languages your child takes was in 8th grade, the colleges are only going to count that as two I believe.

Probably best to check with the individual colleges to see what they count.

 
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My daughter returned from a spring break college tour last weekend.  She visited Franklin & Marshall, Lafayette, Gettysburg, Bucknell, Haverford and Dickinson.  She loved the first 3 and will definitely be applying to all 3 of them. She's not sure about the others.

Anyone have any personal knowledge of those schools?
I think my wife's nephew got in to Franklin & Marshall, but I'll have to check. This is a kid who we were convinced was destined for at least two years of community college. Really good kid, but was never a student and spent highschool dealing with his parents divorce- so they had zero focus or support for him and his "studies". When we saw him at Christmas, he hadn't even started his applications or even knew where he wanted to apply... also didn't take my wife up on helping him (she single-handedly got her niece/god-daughter into Drew).

 
my daughter was in a similar position.  We handled this by doubling up one year by having her take latin AP.  That freed up her senior year to not take a language and still have 4 years worth of language.

Most of the better colleges do expect 3-4 years of language.  A lot comes down to where the child hopes to go.  If she applies to the more competitive schools she will be going up against kids with just as many AP's and 4 years of languages.

As a side note, colleges typically do not see any 8th grade items.  The transcripts they look at are from 9th grade on I believe.
I'm not exactly sure what they look at but on my daughter's transcript it does show the advanced Engl, Span, and Math classes she took in 7th and 8th grade, some of which she actually went to the high school to take.

 
My daughter returned from a spring break college tour last weekend.  She visited Franklin & Marshall, Lafayette, Gettysburg, Bucknell, Haverford and Dickinson.  She loved the first 3 and will definitely be applying to all 3 of them. She's not sure about the others.

Anyone have any personal knowledge of those schools?
Lafayette sucks, that is all.

-Lehigh grad

 
My daughter returned from a spring break college tour last weekend.  She visited Franklin & Marshall, Lafayette, Gettysburg, Bucknell, Haverford and Dickinson.  She loved the first 3 and will definitely be applying to all 3 of them. She's not sure about the others.

Anyone have any personal knowledge of those schools?
My co-worker's kid went to Gettysburg. People who go there seem to love it - it's really gone up in quality and selectivity in recent years. My good friend is a professor at Dickinson. It's got a really good faculty, kind of a party-hard, Greek-focused student body - so if your kid is a focused student, they can really stand out and get a lot of attention from their professors. Or, if your kid likes to party hard, it could also be a good place. Though the town really is pretty dead. I'd say F&M are both like Dickinson, but slightly better schools in slightly better towns.

Haverford is the most "prestigious" of those schools. Very, very small enrollment, with a lot of highly intelligent "quirky" kids, also a definite Quaker influence, so very liberal and pacifist. Great school if it's the right environment for your kid, but it takes a definite kind.

 
My co-worker's kid went to Gettysburg. People who go there seem to love it - it's really gone up in quality and selectivity in recent years. My good friend is a professor at Dickinson. It's got a really good faculty, kind of a party-hard, Greek-focused student body - so if your kid is a focused student, they can really stand out and get a lot of attention from their professors. Or, if your kid likes to party hard, it could also be a good place. Though the town really is pretty dead. I'd say F&M are both like Dickinson, but slightly better schools in slightly better towns.

Haverford is the most "prestigious" of those schools. Very, very small enrollment, with a lot of highly intelligent "quirky" kids, also a definite Quaker influence, so very liberal and pacifist. Great school if it's the right environment for your kid, but it takes a definite kind.
Yeah. We noticed a different feel at Haverford. It was a Saturday, not during spring break, and we were there all day for info sessions, touring and a soccer ID camp. We literally saw less than 30 students on campus during the entire day and no students gathering, even in the student union or dining hall at lunch hour. It was actually quite odd. 

 
@Fear The Turtledid you visit colleges this week on April vacation?  If so how did it go?
We visited Notre Dame and Duke the week of the 9th-15th. Went very well. Both with very impressive campuses and student bodies. Lots and lots of construction going on at ND, with much of it due to be ready by the fall. I must say that the surrounding area offers zippo, as opposed to Duke, which offers plenty.

The shoe was obviously on the other foot now that acceptances have gone out. Before it was the students virtually begging to be let in but now it's the schools turn to beg. They are desperate to get their accepted kids to commit. Got to keep those yield numbers up. Both schools put on very nice "shows" to appeal to the kids and their parents. Duke definitely had more activities and things going on, including holding the closing ceremony on the floor of Cameron.

Notre Dame pushes that it's goal is the education of the entire person, ethically, morally, etc. It was an appeal that struck a chord with my wife, a devout Catholic. She's made her preference clear, even though ND is almost twice as far from us as Duke is. ND requires all students to complete a core of classes as freshmen, which includes 2 philosophy and 2 theology classes. Apparently, though, they are changing that after the entrance of the Class of 2021. Someone said that they've been doing it the same way for over 50 years and they felt it was time for a loosening of the curriculum. That's all well and good but a parent of a student entering this fall might not want to hear that the school feels it's time for a change...NEXT YEAR!

Apparently crime must be very low on ND's campus. A mother asked about the lack of HELP call boxes throughout campus and a women with the school said that the students look out for one another but that there was an app that every kid had that could contact help, if needed. She did admit that there were more call boxes on the perimeter of the campus. While we took a student led tour we saw 2 or 3 bikes thrown up into trees. The guide said that this is what happens if you leave your bike unlocked. It doesn't get stolen but some students will remind you that it could've been.

A couple of neat coincidences: we recently learned that my cousin's oldest daughter is a freshman at Duke and another cousin's son will start at ND in the fall. Daughter hasn't had much contact with these kids over the years but at least she'll have "family" wherever she chooses. By the way, the boy is one of triplets with his siblings going to Boston U and Binghamton. Can't even think about that tuition expense.

 
Yeah. We noticed a different feel at Haverford. It was a Saturday, not during spring break, and we were there all day for info sessions, touring and a soccer ID camp. We literally saw less than 30 students on campus during the entire day and no students gathering, even in the student union or dining hall at lunch hour. It was actually quite odd. 
Don't know anything about Haverford but I would advise visiting any school your child is interested in on a school day. Definitely a huge difference in feel.

 
We visited Notre Dame and Duke the week of the 9th-15th. Went very well. Both with very impressive campuses and student bodies. Lots and lots of construction going on at ND, with much of it due to be ready by the fall. I must say that the surrounding area offers zippo, as opposed to Duke, which offers plenty.

The shoe was obviously on the other foot now that acceptances have gone out. Before it was the students virtually begging to be let in but now it's the schools turn to beg. They are desperate to get their accepted kids to commit. Got to keep those yield numbers up. Both schools put on very nice "shows" to appeal to the kids and their parents. Duke definitely had more activities and things going on, including holding the closing ceremony on the floor of Cameron.

Notre Dame pushes that it's goal is the education of the entire person, ethically, morally, etc. It was an appeal that struck a chord with my wife, a devout Catholic. She's made her preference clear, even though ND is almost twice as far from us as Duke is. ND requires all students to complete a core of classes as freshmen, which includes 2 philosophy and 2 theology classes. Apparently, though, they are changing that after the entrance of the Class of 2021. Someone said that they've been doing it the same way for over 50 years and they felt it was time for a loosening of the curriculum. That's all well and good but a parent of a student entering this fall might not want to hear that the school feels it's time for a change...NEXT YEAR!

Apparently crime must be very low on ND's campus. A mother asked about the lack of HELP call boxes throughout campus and a women with the school said that the students look out for one another but that there was an app that every kid had that could contact help, if needed. She did admit that there were more call boxes on the perimeter of the campus. While we took a student led tour we saw 2 or 3 bikes thrown up into trees. The guide said that this is what happens if you leave your bike unlocked. It doesn't get stolen but some students will remind you that it could've been.

A couple of neat coincidences: we recently learned that my cousin's oldest daughter is a freshman at Duke and another cousin's son will start at ND in the fall. Daughter hasn't had much contact with these kids over the years but at least she'll have "family" wherever she chooses. By the way, the boy is one of triplets with his siblings going to Boston U and Binghamton. Can't even think about that tuition expense.
good info!  How many more to go?

The bolded above is so true.  I never realized how crazy it is.

One of the schools my daughter got into drove a bunch of students and admissions people to our house and wrapped our home with balloons, and messages and gifts.  All small things but damn, back in my day I don't think anyone did this unless you were a top tier athlete.

 
good info!  How many more to go?

The bolded above is so true.  I never realized how crazy it is.

One of the schools my daughter got into drove a bunch of students and admissions people to our house and wrapped our home with balloons, and messages and gifts.  All small things but damn, back in my day I don't think anyone did this unless you were a top tier athlete.
That's it for us. We're down to those two with the rest having fallen by the wayside. She'll let us know tonight or tomorrow, I think.

So cool about the balloons, messages, and gifts. 

 
My daughter returned from a spring break college tour last weekend.  She visited Franklin & Marshall, Lafayette, Gettysburg, Bucknell, Haverford and Dickinson.  She loved the first 3 and will definitely be applying to all 3 of them. She's not sure about the others.

Anyone have any personal knowledge of those schools?
 The guy I coach my daughters team with played baseball at F&M......   of course that was 20 years ago so I'm not sure how much he can help.  ANything specifc you want to know?

 
 The guy I coach my daughters team with played baseball at F&M......   of course that was 20 years ago so I'm not sure how much he can help.  ANything specifc you want to know?
Not really. Just trying to get general impressions from people with personal knowledge of the schools. F&M is probably her favorite of those 6 PA schools I listed, just based on first impressions.

I'd like to get your buddy's thoughts on the school currently, if he has been an involved alumnus. Things can change a lot in 20 years.

Thanks!

 
Not really. Just trying to get general impressions from people with personal knowledge of the schools. F&M is probably her favorite of those 6 PA schools I listed, just based on first impressions.

I'd like to get your buddy's thoughts on the school currently, if he has been an involved alumnus. Things can change a lot in 20 years.

Thanks!
my neice is in her first year at Muhlenberg, if you're definitely keeping it PA. I can reach out if you're interested.

 
Just curious if anyone has had recent success with appeal letters?  Coming down to the deadline and waiting to hear back from his final two choices on that front, so looking for some encouraging news:)

 
Just curious if anyone has had recent success with appeal letters?  Coming down to the deadline and waiting to hear back from his final two choices on that front, so looking for some encouraging news:)
Unfortunately, a quick Google search tells me they arent very effective unless something has significantly changed since the original application was submitted. 

 
Financial aid
Ahh, good.  That has a much higher rate of success than appealing the decision.

But note that in most cases, the increase in aid is very modest unless you were able to show a mistake in one of the forms, so set your expectations on the lower side ($3k-$5k) range if you do get the appeal to go your way.

Good luck and let the thread know how you did, for future parents who have the same question.

 
Nephew got admitted to Carnegie Melon in Engineeing, but not Computer Science.  He got accepted to USC (LA) in Computer Science.  He wants to study AI and Robotics.

Thoughts on these two schools?
I went grad to Carnegie Mellon (Carnage Melon per spell check back in the day) so I may be biased, but I don't think USC can hold a candle to it w/r/t computer science. 

Bill Gates funded a massive Computer Science facility on campus at CMU.  Truly amazing building (we saw it when we visited a few months ago).  Also, CMU is the only school that has a distinct Comp Sci program (other are apparently inside of the Mathematics or other schools)

 
I went grad to Carnegie Mellon (Carnage Melon per spell check back in the day) so I may be biased, but I don't think USC can hold a candle to it w/r/t computer science. 

Bill Gates funded a massive Computer Science facility on campus at CMU.  Truly amazing building (we saw it when we visited a few months ago).  Also, CMU is the only school that has a distinct Comp Sci program (other are apparently inside of the Mathematics or other schools)
Will it be relatively easy for his nephew to change majors from Engin. to Comp. Sci. once he's admitted to CMU?

 
NewlyRetired said:
so awesome!  Very happy for you and her.  Fantastic school.
Thank you. I'm going to have my daughter write a thank you note to the admissions officer who wrote her a note that was sent when she was initially accepted. Heck, I'm going to write him a note myself. On second thought, maybe I'll have your daughter write it for me.  :)

What does the group think about writing thank you notes to the schools that accepted her but that she ultimately rejected? Worth the time?

 
What does the group think about writing thank you notes to the schools that accepted her but that she ultimately rejected? Worth the time?
100% no

Maybe if she made a personal connection with an individual at a school who offered her a big scholarship or something, but this is really a non-personal business at this point. They don't write personal notes of apology to the kids they reject - why should a kid who rejects them? Just do the standard thing of clicking "Decline Offer" on the portal or whatever and get psyched about Duke - though I can't believe a Terp alum is letting their kid go to such a place ;)

 
100% no

Maybe if she made a personal connection with an individual at a school who offered her a big scholarship or something, but this is really a non-personal business at this point. They don't write personal notes of apology to the kids they reject - why should a kid who rejects them? Just do the standard thing of clicking "Decline Offer" on the portal or whatever and get psyched about Duke - though I can't believe a Terp alum is letting their kid go to such a place ;)
Got it. How about to the schools that actually sent a personalized note like Duke did?

Right, used to hate Duke with a passion but that has ebbed some with time and with the change of conferences. Btw, my daughter knows nothing about basketball. Obviously, that was a big topic of conversation during her Duke visit. She's asked me to give her a crash course. We spent 10 minutes reviewing the Wizards' box score a few nights ago. She also now knows what "one and done" means.

 
Thank you. I'm going to have my daughter write a thank you note to the admissions officer who wrote her a note that was sent when she was initially accepted. Heck, I'm going to write him a note myself. On second thought, maybe I'll have your daughter write it for me.  :)

What does the group think about writing thank you notes to the schools that accepted her but that she ultimately rejected? Worth the time?
I did not write to any of the schools outside of the one where she eventually decided to go at Trinity.

I wrote a simple thank you note to the head of admissions and explained the reasons why she chose to go and he was extremely appreciative of the thought.

 
Fear The Turtle said:
Will it be relatively easy for his nephew to change majors from Engin. to Comp. Sci. once he's admitted to CMU?
The transfer between Colleges discussion I was making was at UC Berkeley.  I think he's going to pass on CMU for Cal, even though he's never visited the campus.  Personally, I think I'd take CMU (and I went to Cal in Engineering).

 
I did not write to any of the schools outside of the one where she eventually decided to go at Trinity.

I wrote a simple thank you note to the head of admissions and explained the reasons why she chose to go and he was extremely appreciative of the thought.
I meant to add that I also sent two thank you emails to the two teachers who wrote recommendations for my daughter.  I have no idea what they said but I assume it was positive.

They were both very appreciative of the thought and both said it was rare to receive a thank you for doing a recommendation from a parent.

 
The transfer between Colleges discussion I was making was at UC Berkeley.  I think he's going to pass on CMU for Cal, even though he's never visited the campus.  Personally, I think I'd take CMU (and I went to Cal in Engineering).
for some reason I thought you went to MIT

 
No go from the two schools my son is considering from our financial aid appeal.  Their basic message, while sympathetic, was "he has been awarded what he qualified for" and then presenting other options (primarily loans or self-directed scholarship applications) that are available.  Wasn't expecting anything of great significance, but every little bit helps.  Guess nothing ventured, nothing gained.

 
No go from the two schools my son is considering from our financial aid appeal.  Their basic message, while sympathetic, was "he has been awarded what he qualified for" and then presenting other options (primarily loans or self-directed scholarship applications) that are available.  Wasn't expecting anything of great significance, but every little bit helps.  Guess nothing ventured, nothing gained.
sorry to hear this.  Like you said though, it was of no loss to at least try.

Does this news affect your final decisions now or are you still sticking with one of those two schools?

 
sorry to hear this.  Like you said though, it was of no loss to at least try.

Does this news affect your final decisions now or are you still sticking with one of those two schools?
No, we will be deciding on one of the two schools, as they are both at a similar "out of pocket" cost after aid from each is factored.  We are fortunate to be able to accomodate.  Now, I am trying to decide if we accept all loans or only some?  Not crazy about the unsubsidized loans that you have to start paying at least interest on right away, but it is what it is.

Certainly accepting the subsidized, as I believe having some "skin in the game" is important to keeping focus.  Worked for me back in the day, that's for sure:)

 
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No, we will be deciding on one of the two schools, as they are both at a similar "out of pocket" cost after aid from each is factored.  We are fortunate to be able to accomodate.  Now, I am trying to decide if we accept all loans or only some?  Not crazy about the unsubsidized loans that you have to start paying at least interest on right away, but it is what it is.

Certainly accepting the subsidized, as I believe having some "skin in the game" is important to keeping focus.  Worked for me back in the day, that's for sure:)
good luck to you!  What schools are you deciding between?

 
good luck to you!  What schools are you deciding between?
Coastal Carolina and University of New Haven.  Not the high powered entities that have been shared in this thread, but both offer a program around Intelligence and National Security Studies that my son wants to pursue.  There were some preferred options that he did not get in to.  Hence my comments about "skin in the game":)

 
Coastal Carolina and University of New Haven.  Not the high powered entities that have been shared in this thread, but both offer a program around Intelligence and National Security Studies that my son wants to pursue.  There were some preferred options that he did not get in to.  Hence my comments about "skin in the game":)
that is awesome!  Sounds like a fun major.

 
my daughter was in a similar position.  We handled this by doubling up one year by having her take latin AP.  That freed up her senior year to not take a language and still have 4 years worth of language.

Most of the higher competitive colleges do expect 3-4 years of language.  A lot comes down to where the child hopes to go.  If she applies to the more competitive schools she will be going up against kids with just as many AP's and 4 years of languages.

As a side note, colleges typically do not see any 8th grade items.  The transcripts they look at are from 9th grade on I believe.  That is where they do their counting from.  If one of the three languages your child takes was in 8th grade, the colleges are only going to count that as two I believe.

Probably best to check with the individual colleges to see what they count.


I'm not exactly sure what they look at but on my daughter's transcript it does show the advanced Engl, Span, and Math classes she took in 7th and 8th grade, some of which she actually went to the high school to take.


Yeah, I would imagine this all depends on your state and school district as to what actually counts as high school credit and shows up on the high school transcript.  In my kids' district, a couple classes (H.Earth Science and H.Algebra) are high school courses which are also offered to 8th graders.  With foreign languages, the 7th & 8th grade courses put together count as one year of high school language (so my 9th grade son is now in French 2).

 
I meant to add that I also sent two thank you emails to the two teachers who wrote recommendations for my daughter.  I have no idea what they said but I assume it was positive.

They were both very appreciative of the thought and both said it was rare to receive a thank you for doing a recommendation from a parent.
I will definitely write notes to my daughter's as well. How about gifts for them? Either from your daughter or you...or both? 

 
I will definitely write notes to my daughter's as well. How about gifts for them? Either from your daughter or you...or both? 
We did not send any gifts.  I think simple thank you's are enough.  Since so few people take the time, they are more appreciated than I think we realize.

 
Slightly off topic question about grad school and financial aid

How do schools manage financial aid for grad students?  I think I read that for most cases, the parents assets are no longer considered for FAFSA.  Is this the same for the CSS Profile?

And if that is true, does that mean most kids would qualify for a lot of aid since most grad students are going to have little assets?  Or do the colleges allocate much less aid for grads students even if they are needy?

 
Slightly off topic question about grad school and financial aid

How do schools manage financial aid for grad students?  I think I read that for most cases, the parents assets are no longer considered for FAFSA.  Is this the same for the CSS Profile?

And if that is true, does that mean most kids would qualify for a lot of aid since most grad students are going to have little assets?  Or do the colleges allocate much less aid for grads students even if they are needy?
Are you talking about Grants/ Free Aid  or Loans?

 

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