Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Of course that's a possibility. But ZERO people were saying he'd last until after the third round. Nobody was saying, out loud at least, that he was a lesser prospect than Dillon Gabriel.
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5-ish Finkle
Footballguy
Since Camp Prime already has several "eleventy billion dollars" of their own, I'd say the chances are decidedly lower on that "demeanor required to take the long way around" scale.
Comparing him to guys from even ten years ago just isn't the same with NIL/"Deion As Dad" factor, really though. Perhaps this all may humble him/his camp a bit, he will work his *** off and ball out proving the whole league wrong. That is certainly a thing that can happen. I think there's just not a very large chance of it.
The way I see it, the whole league is basically telling him one of two things (or both, though of course there could be other factors) at this point: "we don't think you're starter quality" or "we think you may not be worth the nonsense". To me, it's leaning pretty heavily toward the "nonsense" angle. As for Shaduer himsself: He can either a) take that and use it as motivation, or b) he can get bent and use it as an excuse. We'll see which way he chooses, but if I hadda put money on either...I'm going with B.
massraider
Footballguy
Very concise rundown on all the mistakes Sanders has made since season ended
Chaka
Footballguy
He was never the prospect his father made him out to be but let's not go overboard.
Kid produced monster numbers, with a limited supporting cast (outside of Hunter of course) against good competition with more media scrutiny than any player in the country. He's an NFL caliber talent.
It is easy make the arguments for Dart, Slough & Milroe ahead of him based on production/measurables even without the Sanders name attached but, Dillon Gabriel? All respect in the world to him but, no.
The Longtime Lurker
Footballguy
What makes you think that though? What about his skill set makes you think he can be great at the next level? Forget his attitude, bad attitude guys get drafted high all the time, hell alleged criminals get drafted high.
The Longtime Lurker
Footballguy
NFL talent sure, but no reason to think that talent is above career backup level which puts day 3 as a likely range for him all along. Gabriel is a tough pill to swallow though
Highly accurate passer
Steps up in the pocket
good mobility
believes in himself
greenmountaingoat
Footballguy
"Allegedly, your situation, for you, would be concurrently improved if I had $200 in my back pocket right now."
A direct quote from his interview with one NFL GM who requested to remain anonymous.
Phil Elliott
Footballguy
Maybe Deion can buy a UFL franchise. That can resolve everything.
Craig_MiamiFL
Footballguy
CBS has mocked him Round 4 to the Steelers.
I think he very well go undrafted. And think the snarky Flacco (Super Bowl champ/MVP BTW) comment may have sealed anyone looking at him period.
Think any vet wants ANYTHING to do with mentoring him? May get a camp invite depending on his/father's post-draft reactions. And if proves himself there, thrown on a practice squad. Any issues, he'll toil in the minor leagues until A) he proves something w/o his dad, B) decides to give up on football. (Highly doubt him/dad will keep their mouths shut)
I think he very well go undrafted. And think the snarky Flacco (Super Bowl champ/MVP BTW) comment may have sealed anyone looking at him period.
Think any vet wants ANYTHING to do with mentoring him? May get a camp invite depending on his/father's post-draft reactions. And if proves himself there, thrown on a practice squad. Any issues, he'll toil in the minor leagues until A) he proves something w/o his dad, B) decides to give up on football. (Highly doubt him/dad will keep their mouths shut)
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Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Of course he did.
Chaka
Footballguy
There is plenty of reason to think he is starting caliber. I had no issue with his draft fall until Gabriel who is undersized, performed worse against the same competition and is a over a year older.
That's when it was clear that Shedeur's fall was about more than football.
He has talent just not enough to justify the other stuff.
It was bad enough when it was just Deion peacocking all over the place but yesterday the biggest social media personality in the World weighed in in favor of Shedeur.
That's just too much attention for anything less than a Joe Burrow level prospect, which Shedeur never was. I'm not sure even Burrow would have withstood that much outside distraction and still gone #1 overall.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
I think he goes to a team with an established stud QB that is "the man" for the foreseeable future
The Longtime Lurker
Footballguy
Thank you for giving me more than he was predicted to go high. He's accurate under perfect conditions and definitely believes in himself, otherwise i agree with the rest of the NFL GMs, but I guess we'll have to see in a few years what becomes of him.
Chaka
Footballguy
Come on, Shedeur did not play under perfect conditions. His 2023 offensive line was terrible and he had all of one great player on his team at Colorado.
Not to mention the coaching was suspect at best. Shedeur made up for a lot of flaws in the Colorado scheme.
He wasn't playing with a stacked team and great coaching surrounding him. Gabriel was, not Shedeur.
The Longtime Lurker
Footballguy
Yeah, he had some challenges, but unless we believe there's some kind of league wide collusion against him then how does a top 10 talent fall into the 4th with no indication anyone is running to the mic to draft him?
ProstheticRGK
Footballguy
Hey, did you guys realize that Shadeur still hasn’t been drafted?!?!
All I heard this morning on all the radio shows driving home was “Why didn’t Shadeur get drafted ??!!!!1111juan”. That’s 70% of why he didn’t get drafted- he is a distraction. His personality and, morseo, Deion’s high-profile brand get way more attention than his talent warrants.
I don’t think it’s collusion.
I don’t think it’s because he’s cocky.
I don’t think it’s because the son is paying for the sins of the father.
I don’t think he is a bad QB (He’s better than Gabriel).
Every show, every talking head and podcaster, every media mogul is talking in excruciating detail about “Why?!?!”.
I think he has the potential to be a starter, maybe. But with all the hype and media attention he garners- not worth the risk.
All I heard this morning on all the radio shows driving home was “Why didn’t Shadeur get drafted ??!!!!1111juan”. That’s 70% of why he didn’t get drafted- he is a distraction. His personality and, morseo, Deion’s high-profile brand get way more attention than his talent warrants.
I don’t think it’s collusion.
I don’t think it’s because he’s cocky.
I don’t think it’s because the son is paying for the sins of the father.
I don’t think he is a bad QB (He’s better than Gabriel).
Every show, every talking head and podcaster, every media mogul is talking in excruciating detail about “Why?!?!”.
I think he has the potential to be a starter, maybe. But with all the hype and media attention he garners- not worth the risk.
Skipdog77
Footballguy
Can you imagine the amount of narcissm oozing out of the Steelers QB room with Rodgers and Sanders in it? I'm almost hoping this happens for the entertainment value alone.
greenmountaingoat
Footballguy
Lol, my post was a joke. That's a quote from Ben Afflec's character in Good Will Hunting.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Miami Dolphins?
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
It's easy to forget how terrible the Colorado program was just two years ago. Sanders was not in a very good situation and made a lot of chicken salad with chicken poop ingredients.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
No.
KC, buffalo, chargers, ravens, Bengals......,.that kind of QB
Jayded
Footballguy
If it isn't one of the teams we've heard discussed as pre-draft options like Pittsburgh or Las Vegas, I see two teams that wouldn't surprise me to grab him at this point : Rams & Colts.
The Rams make sense because we all know Stafford is nearing the end and at this cost, you might get a huge discount on a future starter who also would get to sit and learn from a really solid pro QB. Indy would be interesting because it feels like everyone but them is starting to realize the error of the ARich pick. Why not give yourself another possible option at this cost in case you just need to pivot?
The Rams make sense because we all know Stafford is nearing the end and at this cost, you might get a huge discount on a future starter who also would get to sit and learn from a really solid pro QB. Indy would be interesting because it feels like everyone but them is starting to realize the error of the ARich pick. Why not give yourself another possible option at this cost in case you just need to pivot?
The Longtime Lurker
Footballguy
I think the overall idea here is probably correct, but i don't know that these teams would want to bring in this kind of distraction for a career backup. This feels like the Jets kind of move.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
I don't think they'd want that headache for their #1 pick. Seems like a much different scenario
Craig_MiamiFL
Footballguy
Deion: "Aaron Rodgers starting? Aaron my age!"
Really think that Flacco comment will take him off boards of even teams with established/vet QBs.
Don't think can write off Shadeur.....but he's going to have to earn it every step of the way. And won't have the benefit of daddy holding his hand. Probably camp invite/minor leagues. And teams will have little investment and cut him out with a snap of the fingers (by either his play/attitude/snarky comments from daddy)
ghostguy123
Footballguy
First sign of distraction he'd be cut. Might be worth a stab in the 4th or 5th
This. The kid can absolutely play QB.
Chaka
Footballguy
I never said he was a top 10 talent (at least not for a few weeks now) but I believe he is a better talent than Dillon Gabriel.
There doesn't need to be collusion for him to fall. There is an obvious off-field price to pay by drafting him. Deion and the biggest social media influencer on the planet, who never misses an opportunity to take a swipe at the NFL, are part of what comes with drafting him. Not many teams would willingly step into that minefield.
The best way to mitigate that risk is to let him slide and hope that helps diminish what comes along with him.
Phil Elliott
Footballguy
Maybe a kickoff return specialist.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Must have been horrible interviews.
The Longtime Lurker
Footballguy
I can agree he's better than Gabriel and the talent level is starting to match the potential draft position at this point. It's a matter of who thinks they "can fix him" now.
Chaka
Footballguy
I am not sure "fix" is the right verb but I agree.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Rumors were the interviews were pretty bad
nittanylion
Footballguy
Chiefs at 133, I'm guessing - the Chiefs/Reid/Mahomes dynamic looks pretty optimal to me at this point in the Draft.
...I could see the Ravens surprising at 129. That's not a bad fallback dynamic, at all, IMHO.
...I could see the Ravens surprising at 129. That's not a bad fallback dynamic, at all, IMHO.
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
I hope it's okay to say this without it being considered politics but I actually think this REALLY hurt Shadeur. I actually think he would've been picked by now were it not for that tweet.
What team wants to deal with having the president of the United States tweeting about their backup or future QB getting more immediate playing time every time any other QB on their team has a bad game? It was bad enough when he called out "NFL owners". What GM/coach wants to put themselves in the crosshairs where every time they do something they risk getting called out by name by the president?
FarFromHome
Footballguy
Starting to feel downright dirty now. He isn't the first kid that interviewed poorly and comes across as needing to be humbled. Most of these athletes are treated like gods since middle school and have a chip on their shoulder of some kind. We are not being informed something. Has to be something not reported. This is just silly at this point. Imo
Craig_MiamiFL
Footballguy
Giants gave up on him when he came completely unprepared. Daboli called him out on it & went downhill from there
Unprepared and uncoachable. Not a trait for a starting QB option. Not a trait for a backup option. JMO His absolute best case will be camp invite and hopeful practice squad spot. Not a surprise if forced to prove self in minor leagues (if he/dad can swallow their prides).
Shadeur has been coddled/pampered/worked for his dad his whole life. Like most everyone else that's been in that position in this world, eventually you've got to spreads your wings and fly on your own. He's going to either sink or swim. Daddy can't save him at that point. And the NFL made that decision for them.
Unprepared and uncoachable. Not a trait for a starting QB option. Not a trait for a backup option. JMO His absolute best case will be camp invite and hopeful practice squad spot. Not a surprise if forced to prove self in minor leagues (if he/dad can swallow their prides).
Shadeur has been coddled/pampered/worked for his dad his whole life. Like most everyone else that's been in that position in this world, eventually you've got to spreads your wings and fly on your own. He's going to either sink or swim. Daddy can't save him at that point. And the NFL made that decision for them.
BroncoFreak_2K3
sucker for Orange
Rich Eisen continues to be a whiney little *****
STEADYMOBBIN 22
Footballguy
You dont think Jerry grabs him soon or in the 7th?
Somebody grabs him in the 7th, right?
The Longtime Lurker
Footballguy
Undrafted is where my money is now. I've been vocal in my criticism in play and attitude, but he can be drafted here based on skill set comfortably. There's MAJOR red flags off the field to still be on the board.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
How is it dirty? No one, no player, has the RIGHT to be drafted by an NFL team; it is an honor.
This is essentially a kid. I feel bad for him as I don't think this steep of a drop is deserved. Of course, mine is the opinion of a casual fan. Just feels way overdone.
