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WR Malik Nabers, NYG (1 Viewer)
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KellysHeroes
Footballguy
if Harrison goes to Zona... hes gotta be the 1.01
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
the Giants don't make good draft decisions like that anymore... their going QB and starting over again. Now if my Jets can get him!!
This guy has some of the best intel:
rockaction
Footballguy
I'd be all over that as a Jets fan, but it's weird. I saw a tweet today that sobered me right up about their offensive line. They're still razor thin and they're depending on guys in their mid-thirties and guys who are oft-injured like AVT. I think they're still going OL, or at least they should still go OL.
But if Nabers is there he'd be tough to pass up.
socrates
Footballguy
The Jets have long been one of the worst places for WRs. They have a QB in his twilight years coming off a major injury, an established WR1, and a defensive-minded coach. Please no!
6"199
40 times not remotely official on this two runs with one at 4.35 on one scouts watch and the second at 4.4.(several people are citing scouts on hand putting his times on the two runs between 4.34-4.4. I do not believe there is such thing as an "official" 40 time at a pro day"
Vertical jump: 42"
Broad jump: 10'9"
40 times not remotely official on this two runs with one at 4.35 on one scouts watch and the second at 4.4.(several people are citing scouts on hand putting his times on the two runs between 4.34-4.4. I do not believe there is such thing as an "official" 40 time at a pro day"
Vertical jump: 42"
Broad jump: 10'9"
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massraider
Footballguy
Fantasy wise, he might be my #1
zamboni
Footballguy
Thinking the same, although landing spot will probably be a factor.
Hu-Tang Clan
Footballguy
I'm very happy to have the 1.02. Let the 1.01 make the decision and I'll take the other guy, no reason to try and move up in my opinion.
Wigglytuff's Gruff
Footballguy
Nah man, you're doing it wrong. You're supposed to offer loads for the 1.01, it's what everyone wants to do, at least that's what I've been told by someone on here.
Will you still feel that way if one lands with the Chargers and the other one the Giants?
massraider
Footballguy
zamboni
Footballguy
As mentioned upthread, the Giants would be a tough landing spot redraft-wise, but I'd still be bullish on him dynasty-wise assuming (read: hoping) the QB situation will improve after this year.
I don't disagree at all with what you are saying but it would for me make the gap between 1 and 2 more sizeable and clear.
zamboni
Footballguy
I mainly agree, although if one of them ends up with the Giants, they're going to get peppered with targets and the running game will probably be less of an emphasis with Singletary replacing Barkley. The quality of targets would certainly be in question though relative to Herbert, even if the Chargers go very run heavy as expected.
Wigglytuff's Gruff
Footballguy
If he's so good, he'll get his yards. The best players virtually always do, no matter who the QB is.
I'm a little confused on where you are coming from. You say landing spot would determine who you would pick and now it seems like you are aruging it's not a big deal if one has Herbert and the other has Jones and then who knows.
For me it's an incrementally huge difference between Herbert vs a year of Jones and then however many years of hoping for a decent QB as I don't assume the QB situation would improve next year or the year after. Hope is not a plan.
Targets can fix a lot of issues. There have been a lot of examples of WR's switching teams and going with inferior QB's but actually doing better in fantasy due to targets. Vincent Jackson going from Rivers to Glennon/Josh Freeman was my poster child example for this for years. But you also got guys like Drake London who I cited earlier who has been dying for a QB so bad he's taking a big value jump on just getting a 36 year old QB coming off an achilles.
Saying all that I think Nabers can function better with an inferior QB then MHJ simply because he's such a YAC monster and they can likely create easier throws to him. I think the QB throwing to MHJ is a bigger impact then the one throwing to Nabers.
zamboni
Footballguy
My point is that landing spot will be a factor, but not the only factor about which guy I would pick. Also, redraft and dynasty may have different outcomes. In any event, it's foolish to speculate now until the draft actually happens and we see who goes where.
beef
Footballguy
Yes, they would still be my 1 & 2 easy.
Mine as well but my point was about a gap existing between 1 and 2.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
There is a lot that goes into a receiver being successful at the NFL level. Quarterback play, offensive philosophy, play calling, surrounding cast, offensive line, personal work ethic…etc. My amateur eye test likes Nabers over MHJr as a prospect. I think both have a good chance at success and hope that each have an equal opportunity to do so. Unfortunately as we know, cards are not dealt the same for everyone so situation and landing spot does play a role. Those are fluid factors as well. Nabers is up there with Chase in my recent history of receiver prospects and I have him in a slight tier of his own in this class.
Dave Stauff
Footballguy
My current thinking is that the line between 1 and 2 is so fine, that location will dictate selection in most rookie drafts. Prediction: In a majority of leagues, 1.01 will select whomever goes to Arizona and 1.02 will select the other, whether it's LAC, NYG or NEP.
-OZ-
Footballguy
Watch AZ trade down again, take defense and ruin our plans.
Faust
MVP
SCOUTD
BIG RANKING CHANGE
Malik Nabers is officially my WR1.
Before you call it prospect fatigue, attention baiting, or anything else, just hear me out below.
My reasoning:
1. This is not a knock in any way against Marvin Harrison Jr.. I think he’s as good as advertised, and a truly special player. He’s going to be a top WR in this league and deserves to be a very early pick. He’s still my 4th ranked prospect
2. The first area of differentiation for me is versatility. The NFL is a different game than it was 5 years ago. It’s all about moving parts, interchangeability, motion, and other unique things. Malik Nabers’ ability to win in any way imaginable—whether as a gadget guy, a route-runner, a deep-threat, or a short area mover—sets him slightly apart in my eyes. He’s the type of player who defensive coordinators will literally be terrified of.
3. On a short 3rd and down, where you need your #1 guy to plant, explode, and win in tight quarters on a quick route, I’d rather have Nabers. He’s always going to be your #1 option, in every circumstance, situation, or distance.
4. I’m essentially 50/50 on these 2 players. I think they are both top 3 WR prospects in the last 10 years. The preference should be different for every team when considering scheme fit. But to me, Malik has the slightly higher ceiling and the more universal fit across systems.
5. To explain where this is coming from. It’s not out of nowhere. I’ve felt 50/50 the entire draft process and haven’t had the guts to put Malik at 1. But my intuition has become too strong, and I can’t simply lie about how I feel. I know many people will disagree & be outraged, but I’ve spent a lot of time in the film room and feel this change was necessary
BigTex
Don't mess with Texas
I think its much more likely that he goes after Odunze than before Harrison.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
It will be interesting, as I do think some teams have Nabers #1 and I do not think it is hyperbole. Nabers tape is strong and he seems a little more explosive than the other two.
He's also 3 inches shorter and has off field concerns that they don't.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Complete BS
NFL rumors: Malik Nabers off-field concerns get shot down by insider
An NFL insider claims the concerning off-field rumors regarding top prospect, Malik Nabers, are absolutely false.
clutchpoints.com
I think Odunze could go over Nabers and Nabers could go over MHJ. None of those scenarios would cause a ripple of surprise to me. Just depends on the team making the pick and what they want.
This late drag down of Nabers character actually makes me even more inclined to think he's the WR a team picking high wants and they are trying to get him to drop.
It would blow my mind if Harrison wasn't the 1st WR taken. I'm inclined to think all talk to the contrary, is teams just accepting they'll never get him, not all too different than teams hyping up guys other than Caleb Williams as the drafts best QB. Assuming QBs go 1-3, I think teams have contacted Arizona about #4, and been told the price is 3 1sts, because they want Harrison.
I'm confident all of the top-3 WRs will be top-10 overall picks. I'm becoming more open to Nabers going 3rd of the group, though I personally like him more than Odunze.
I'd certainly be happy to see Nabers (or any of them) make it to Chicago at #9.
-OZ-
Footballguy
The order of these 3 is totally up to the team drafting. I don’t think any is right or wrong. MH is probably the safe play.
Similarly, after Caleb I don’t think there’s a “right” QB2 or 3. Just preferences based on team philosophy / coaching staff.
Nabers with the chargers could be the best WR in the league. As could any in Chicago although there might be more of a delay there.
Wigglytuff's Gruff
Footballguy
I'd still be staggered if Odunze went above MHJ.
I could see Nabers above both, and Odunze above Nabers. But not MHJ above Odunze. Might just be me though.
I could see Nabers above both, and Odunze above Nabers. But not MHJ above Odunze. Might just be me though.
