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Collins considerring retirement (1 Viewer)
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pigskin pimp
Footballguy
If you do retire, Kerry, here is to you.
Tommy Kramer and I will see you at the 19th hole.
Floyd The Barber
Footballguy
Ahhh... The last negotiating ploy of a player who deosn't have two or more teams to play off each other - Pay me or I'll retire.
I'd offer him a totally incentive based, TD-to-turnover contract. For every TD he throws he gets $200-grr. For every pick, he owes me $200 grr. I'd have a new revenue stream by the end of the season.
I'd offer him a totally incentive based, TD-to-turnover contract. For every TD he throws he gets $200-grr. For every pick, he owes me $200 grr. I'd have a new revenue stream by the end of the season.
Mungo Burrows
Footballguy
Sounds like he's using this ploy to cover his situation. The Ravens seem to have hung their hat on McNair being cut, but have Collins as their backup plan. He probably doesn't want to deal with being a backup (and going through off-season workouts, minicamps and training camp for a backup's salary) so this is probably just his way of saying he's not going to be Plan B unless they make it worthwhile and pay him like a $tarter
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ConstruxBoy
Kate's Daddy
Maybe he was misquoted and actually said he hopes Favre retires?
ShadowMaster
Footballguy
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Pass Pass Pass Pass Pass Rush Rush Rush Fum Rec Num Rec Fan
# Quarterback NFL GP Yds Att Comp TDs Int Yds Att TDs Lost Yds Rec TDs Pts
--- --------------------- --- -- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ----- ----- ---- ----- ---- ------ -----
1 Palmer,Carson CIN 16 3836 509 345 32 12 44 33 1 2 0 0 0 318.6
2 Brady,Tom NE 16 4110 530 334 26 14 89 27 1 3 0 0 0 310.8
3 Manning,Peyton IND 16 3747 453 305 28 10 45 33 0 2 0 0 0 294.3
4 Manning,Eli NYG 16 3762 558 294 24 17 80 30 1 2 0 0 0 281.3
5 Hasselbeck,Matt SEA 16 3455 450 294 24 10 124 36 1 1 0 0 0 277.4
6 Bledsoe,Drew DAL 16 3639 499 300 23 17 50 34 2 8 0 0 0 274.2
7 Brees,Drew SD 16 3576 500 323 24 15 49 21 1 5 0 0 0 271.2
8 Green,Trent KC 16 4014 507 317 17 10 82 35 0 4 0 0 0 267.4
9 Collins,Kerry OAK 15 3759 566 302 20 13 38 18 1 3 0 0 0 265.1
10 Vick,Michael ATL 15 2412 387 214 15 13 610 101 6 5 -14 1 0 263.6
Using FBG scoring Collins was 9th last year in TOTAL points. This despite some injuries to him and the top 3 WRs on the team. He also got benched for a week. I'd say he is better than half of the current starters. Must be a negotiation ploy.
Pass Pass Pass Pass Pass Rush Rush Rush Fum Rec Num Rec Fan
# Quarterback NFL GP Yds Att Comp TDs Int Yds Att TDs Lost Yds Rec TDs Pts
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1 Palmer,Carson CIN 16 3836 509 345 32 12 44 33 1 2 0 0 0 318.6
2 Brady,Tom NE 16 4110 530 334 26 14 89 27 1 3 0 0 0 310.8
3 Manning,Peyton IND 16 3747 453 305 28 10 45 33 0 2 0 0 0 294.3
4 Manning,Eli NYG 16 3762 558 294 24 17 80 30 1 2 0 0 0 281.3
5 Hasselbeck,Matt SEA 16 3455 450 294 24 10 124 36 1 1 0 0 0 277.4
6 Bledsoe,Drew DAL 16 3639 499 300 23 17 50 34 2 8 0 0 0 274.2
7 Brees,Drew SD 16 3576 500 323 24 15 49 21 1 5 0 0 0 271.2
8 Green,Trent KC 16 4014 507 317 17 10 82 35 0 4 0 0 0 267.4
9 Collins,Kerry OAK 15 3759 566 302 20 13 38 18 1 3 0 0 0 265.1
10 Vick,Michael ATL 15 2412 387 214 15 13 610 101 6 5 -14 1 0 263.6
Using FBG scoring Collins was 9th last year in TOTAL points. This despite some injuries to him and the top 3 WRs on the team. He also got benched for a week. I'd say he is better than half of the current starters. Must be a negotiation ploy.
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Weiner Dog
Footballguy
I honestly had no idea his record was THIS bad.
ShadowMaster
Footballguy
Wow - that is a bad record. I did not know that either. Fantasy wise he will get you what you need to win.
diesel7982
Footballguy
Age + Salary Demands + Limited Upside The Rex Grossmans and Alex Smiths of the NFL might suck now, but at least they are either younger, cheaper, or have greater upside.
Challenge Everything
Footballguy
I wish he would just make a decision so the drama can stop. Collins never seemed like a person to be about drama but this recent episode makes me think different about him. Make up your mind already, Kerry!
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
To be fair the Bears second string quarterback beat out the Vikings top quarterback only a year ago & Grossman has some moxy that might show up if he ever stays healthy.Having said that Kerry Collins could be the best QB in the NFC Norris (especially if Favre retires) as than we would be looking at
B-Rad Johnson
Grossman/Griese
Kitna/McNown
Rodgers
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Gruden benched Johnson for Griese in Tampa. Kerry Collins is comparable to every quarterback in the NFC North. What in the "hell" are you confused about.
CalBear
Footballguy
Collins is not a great QB. Never has been. Even the year the Giants went to the Super Bowl, both the running game and the defense were better than the passing game. In the three most recent years, he's completed 55.4% of his passes, with 54 TDs and 48 INTs; those are right in line with his career numbers. With the Giants, Collins was 4-9 as a starter in his last season there, and the team made no significant change other than bringing in Kurt Warner (considered to be washed up), who went 5-3 before being replaced by a rookie. The Raiders were 1-1 with Gannon under center, Collins took over and went 4-10. (And then 4-11 in 2005). I guarantee that the Raiders will win more than 4 games in 2006, with the only major change coming at QB.Collins is not a bad QB; he is servicable. Really, he's a good NFL backup. But he's not a difference maker and he never will be. The best place for him is as QB2 on a team with Super Bowl hopes and a question mark at QB1; the Redskins, for example. The way this is playing out, it looks like he's insisting on QB1 money, and no one is going to give it to him.
redman
Footballguy
Of course, his team's over that time have been a combined 13-35 which may have something to do with his starting record. Last I checked, this was a team sport. Oh, and he's managed to throw more TD's than INT's despite those adverse circumstances. If he's as bad as you say, don't you want him to stay in the league if for no other reason than to make Kyle Boller look good?
Family Matters
Footballguy
Well there's clearly many takes on Collins. All the points made have some merit as well. My take is that first off I am not a Collins fan. Never have been. I felt he was overrated when Oak got him. But he does prodeuce reasonably well. Unfortunately he creates to many turnovers and losses. IOW-yes his INT's are hign but he also takes alot of sacks and late hits and that leads to many 3rd and long scenarios which puts more pressure on the passing game and which leads to more INT's. He makes bad decisions and that's why there's not a big market for him. Plus now he's older so he's not going to lead any team to a championship and you can't build around him.How many of you would want him teaching your young QB? I do not want my franchise QB learning what not to do from him.
His best fit is with a team that isn't really planning for much this year and just need some avg. talent to fill a year until they are ready to make a move. That's why I'm surprised Oak let him go. Guess they think he can be had for less too?
redman
Footballguy
I'm not a particular Collins fan either, and his career stats pretty clearly explain why:
I don't like the combination of his completion % and Y/A average. If you have a completion percentage that low, you'd better be completing long passes when you do connect with a receiver. That was the "old way" for QB's to operate in the days before the west coast offense. They'd have completion %'s hovering around 50%, but their Y/A was up around 8. They were throwing downfield, and they'd certainly be missing or throwing the ball away from time to time, but they'd also be connecting on big plays too. Collins doesn't seem to do that despite the fact that he's generally that style of passer.
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+---------------------------------------+-----------------+ | Passing | Rushing |+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+| Year TM | G | Comp Att PCT YD Y/A TD INT | Att Yards TD |+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+| 1995 car | 15 | 214 432 49.5 2717 6.3 14 19 | 42 74 3 || 1996 car | 13 | 204 364 56.0 2454 6.7 14 9 | 32 38 0 || 1997 car | 13 | 200 381 52.5 2124 5.6 11 21 | 26 65 1 || 1998 car | 4 | 76 162 46.9 1011 6.2 8 5 | 7 40 0 || 1998 nor | 7 | 94 191 49.2 1202 6.3 4 10 | 23 113 1 || 1999 nyg | 10 | 191 332 57.5 2316 7.0 8 11 | 19 36 2 || 2000 nyg | 16 | 311 529 58.8 3610 6.8 22 13 | 41 65 1 || 2001 nyg | 16 | 327 568 57.6 3764 6.6 19 16 | 39 73 0 || 2002 nyg | 16 | 335 545 61.5 4073 7.5 19 14 | 44 -3 0 || 2003 nyg | 13 | 284 500 56.8 3110 6.2 13 16 | 17 49 0 || 2004 oak | 14 | 289 513 56.3 3495 6.8 21 20 | 16 36 0 || 2005 oak | 15 | 302 565 53.5 3759 6.7 20 12 | 18 38 1 |+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+| TOTAL | 152 | 2827 5082 55.6 33635 6.6 173 166 | 324 624 9 |+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+
