thehornet
Footballguy
I'd be willing to bet you didn't have exactly the same injury. Every injury is different.
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Colston to miss a month (1 Viewer)
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Interseptopus
Footballguy
lol right on. Be pretty much a miracle to have the EXACT SAME injury
Interseptopus
Footballguy
I dunno, when a guy can catch like thisWiDDoW_MaKeR said:
going down in catching ability may not be so far from the norm lol
I think he'll be fine when he gets back. He'll probably stay out thruogh week 9 so he can get the bye week to get back in sync with the offense. He'll have 2 weeks post this "4-6" time period to get adjusted to the game again. He'll be a gem in the playoffs.
He may even be back earlier, depends how bad the injury was and how fast his healing time is. Who knows, but for now the question is who is the better WR in that offense: Patten or Henderson. I refuse to believe a rookie 3rd on the depth chart WR who has had troubles staying healthy so far can contribute more than a #1 and #2 in that offense... especially with Shockey and Bush stealing receptions too. Count on 2-3 receptions a game (max!) from Meachem.
Patten and Henderson have the same physical characteristics. I think Patten represents more of a "possession" WR, and Henderson is more of a deep threat. Patten is very old and he can be effective in spot starts. I don't believe he's the WR to own in that offense. I think it's split, but I think Henderson steps it up big time for the edge as the #1. Last year Henderson failed to attend his "3rd year coming out party". So maybe for him it's a 4th year coming out party (See Andre Johnson).
I know the history with Henderson- have one good game then disappear. But that was when Patten was STARTING opposite Colston. This year Patten is 3rd on the list behind Henderson. I really think you see a swap of last year's targets/stats when looking at Patten and Henderson. I see Patten as having a couple good games in these next 4-6 weeks, but Henderson getting most of the looks. Let's not forget- they already have Bush/Shockey for the short to mid passing game. They need someone to stretch the field. Patten will certainly not be doing that. Henderson is more of a type of player similar to Colston, and I expect him to be targeted plenty in that offense this season.
Henderson is definitely the WR to own for the Saints until Colston is back
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tribecalledjeff
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I'd be willing to bet that it's pretty darn similar - thanks for posting, Balance.
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Interseptopus
Footballguy
First, this is coming from a PT, so it carries more weight than from Joe Shmoe looking on Wikipedia...1- location of the tear. Even if it was the same ligament, Colston may have torn it in the middle, near one of the insertion points, partially, oblique tear, shear tear, it could have been very different2- surgery. Surgical procedures are a lot different than 15 years ago. Yes, he recognized this in his post, but at the same time there are more than one way of doing something at any given time. medicine has come a long way and even today there are more than one way to fix a torn ligament in the finger3- healing time. This is a bigger deal than the lay person thinks it is. Different people heal at different speeds. It may take "Balance" 4-5 weeks to recover from something that it may take me 6 weeks, or that it may take you the reader 3 weeks, or it may take someone else 10 weeks. It's all relative. Just because Mr. Balance was back after 4 weeks does not mean ANYONE else will be able to take their cast off 3 weeks ahead of time and fully function in sport activities. Not to mention, this guy was in HIGH SCHOOL- a stage at which the tissues in the body are MUCH more metabolically active than they are at the age of 25. Yes, metabolic activity matters, especially in healing time.Bottom line, there is no way this guy posting about his injury back in high school 15 years ago can hold any weight on this issue. He can't even contribute his opinion on how much it hurts! People have way differnet pain thresholds (a 8/10 to you may be a 5/10 to me). That's why these injuries are IMPOSSIBLE to predict for time period on when he'll be back. They said 4-6 weeks, ESPN reported 6-8. So 4-8 weeks is your time frame... basically giving a MONTH of give or take. Ridiculous.
thehornet
Footballguy
actually, you have completely no idea, but thanks for your opinion.The fact that you think some random person's posting of his injury 15 years ago is "pretty darn similar" to a current day NFL player in which you have no knowledge of the medical reports, speaks volumes.
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Balance
Footballguy
My post wasn't meant to start a pissing contest.Sorry to see you guys go there with it.
tombonneau
Footballguy
I recall reading in an article (and maybe it was posted in this 4-page thread) that Colston was saying he had the same injury in college on the other hand. He said he was in cast for four weeks then, and there wasn't really anything you could do about that 4 weeks; he just had to let it heal.So let's hope it's 4 weeks again in a cast, and then maybe just a few weeks after that he is on the field ...
Afro Samurai
Footballguy
How different could it possibly be? Isn't a thumb pretty much the same everywhere?I do wish Brees would stop hanging his receivers out to dry the way he does. They must get tired of taking monster hit after monster hit every week.
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thehornet
Footballguy
Ligaments are tricky and people have different healing timetables.
ATC1
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NYG Endzone
Footballguy
In redrafts, i think he's hard to sell.
MCguidance
Footballguy
The Colston owner offered him to me for my Roddy White. I am so torn on what to do. I have Fitz and Marshall and might be able to patch the 3rd hole with Patten/Rice. Anyone else? Any suggestions? Ugh, so torn.
For the love of Vincent Brisby MAKE THAT DEAL. Patch with Patten until Colston returns, then enjoy your playoffs.
MCguidance
Footballguy
Ah I did it. Fitz, Marshall, Colston come playoff time should be nice.For the love of Vincent Brisby MAKE THAT DEAL. Patch with Patten until Colston returns, then enjoy your playoffs.
thehornet
Footballguy
congrats. that is sick.Ah I did it. Fitz, Marshall, Colston come playoff time should be nice.For the love of Vincent Brisby MAKE THAT DEAL. Patch with Patten until Colston returns, then enjoy your playoffs.
switz
Footballguy
someone associated with Sun Herald in Biloxi... still getting same story, Colston not back until after the BYE
MCguidance
Footballguy
Interesting. Is it a reliable source? Someone you have had insider info from on a reg basis that has proven true?
switz
Footballguy
Not someone I generally get info from, no. But was referred by someone I do get good info from... so I think there is some truth to it. No explanation was give, but this is what I am guessing:- The Saints will need Colston in the playoffs, and as long as they are winning, they're not going to rush him back.- There are other receivers that the Saints want to develop, and while Colston is out, this will give them a chance to see what these other WRs bring to the table.- Shockey fills a lot of the role that Colston played, so they don't feel they are in dire need of Colston for now.Those points are pure speculation on my part, but I can see why the Saints won't rush Colston back if it's not necessary to do so.
Hate to say I told ya so... but I did
Doug B
Footballguy
There will be no updates until Colston's cast comes off. That's supposed to be in two weeks.
Balance
Footballguy
nice
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
When is the Oakland game and I'm assuming this is speculation by ESPN?
The Kansas Comet
Footballguy
Oakland game is October 12th
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
This is great news if it's true!!! I'll try to contain my excitement until it's confirmed. Thanks for the info.
thehornet
Footballguy
week 6 and I would be absolutely shocked if he was back by then. he is still in a cast.
Lobary
Footballguy
And the cast is due off in less than a week as he had the surgery three weeks ago.ETA: I wouldn't be shocked at all because this is consistent with what Colston himself said at the time of the injury and also consistent with the recovery time of other players with the same or similiar injury.
http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...t&p=9278530
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blackjack23
Footballguy
He had the surgery on Sept 10. The original time period was 4-6 weeks. Oct 12 would be 4.5 weeks after. Everyone on these boards always thinks of the pessimistic angle (and Im not saying that as a bad thing. Prepare for the worst hope for the best). But week 6 would be within the timeframe still.thehornet said:
Lobary
Footballguy
He had the surgery the Tuesday after the first game, but the news wasn't reported until Wednesday. Four weeks would be next Tuesday. He implied at the time of the injury that he'd be back right after getting the cast off:
Lobary
Footballguy
It was reported on the first news break during ESPN's First Take. Coincidentally, this is how I heard the news about Colston's surgery, and they had it well before anyone else. Could be baseless speculation on their part, but they specifically used the word "will" and not "may."
Ridgelake
Footballguy
I'm still taking the tact of "Ill believe it when I see it." I sure hope he comes back for Week 6. That would be fantastic.
Here's why I'm taking that tact. Catching an NFL pass is brutal on the hands. Receivers wear gloves for a reason. Its because the ball stings a lot on the bare hands. There is a lot of mass and speed behind an NFL pass. It takes a lot of force to stop its momentum.
All that force comes from the hands. And the thumb is the digit that takes the most force. Colston might be getting off the cast this week. But there is no way his hands are in shape, nor will they be in a week. And its got to hurt like hell to catch the ball because there's no way the hand is fully healed yet.
So he may trot out there in 10 days. But I seriously doubt he's really ready to play. At least not at the level he was. I would not count on the Colston we're used to seeing until after the bye. I hope its earlier, but I'm not going to count on it.
Here's why I'm taking that tact. Catching an NFL pass is brutal on the hands. Receivers wear gloves for a reason. Its because the ball stings a lot on the bare hands. There is a lot of mass and speed behind an NFL pass. It takes a lot of force to stop its momentum.
All that force comes from the hands. And the thumb is the digit that takes the most force. Colston might be getting off the cast this week. But there is no way his hands are in shape, nor will they be in a week. And its got to hurt like hell to catch the ball because there's no way the hand is fully healed yet.
So he may trot out there in 10 days. But I seriously doubt he's really ready to play. At least not at the level he was. I would not count on the Colston we're used to seeing until after the bye. I hope its earlier, but I'm not going to count on it.
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There isn't any way to know whether/how much pain he will have after the cast is removed. There will still need to be therapy to restore fullrange of motion to the thumb.There are way too many imponderables to say that "he will" be playing week 6 (and I'm a Colston owner in two leagues).
Lobary
Footballguy
I don't fault your reasoning, but I'd point to the examples of other players I referenced in that other thread, and Colston's own words. I really don't understand the constant skepticism about the date of Colston's return. If it were a WR2 or WR3 with the same injury, I doubt many would question the recovery time but simply assume that player would be back in four or five weeks.
saintfool
Dead sexy
brees has always spread the ball around. he's pretty judicious in his throws and looks for the mismatch. that's why there is no true #2 WR in NO. colston - with his skills and physical abilities - is pretty much always a mismatch. colston will continue to get a large number of targets. bank on it.
Oscar
Footballguy
Agreed. His vaule doubles the value of any other WR on that team. He'll get his targets once he's back.
Remember when people wondered how good Moss would be with Brady because Brady spread it around so much? Like Brady, Brees will spread it around but when he has a go to guy he'll get him the ball plenty. As often as NO throws the ball I'd not be worried about targets.
Lobary
Footballguy
Not really. He underwent a fairly routine surgery with a well-established timetable, and he had the same injury on his other hand. He opted to have the surgery so he could come back quickly.
