Combine Winners and Losers (1 Viewer)

[Bojang0301]

Winners

Jay Cutler - His stock keeps soaring. There is now talk of him being the number one pick if a trade happens.

Reggie McNeal - The guy can flat out fly when he needs to (4.35 40). May be a great project for some team but looks like he has made his way to the first day.

Bruce Gradkowski - Ran a 4.59 and is the type of accurate QB you look for in the WCO.

Jerome Harrison - Ran a much better 40 than expected (4.47) and showed that he has special agility.

Joseph Addai - Ran a 4.4 40 and is one of the more complete backs in the draft.

Jerious Norwood - Had an excellent combine workout and after the Senior Bowl should be moving up teams charts.

Maurice Drew - Another speedster (4.39 40) who also is a good compact package unlike most shorter backs.

Chad Jackson - Posted a rediculous 4.32 40 and is a physical freak who has sealed himself as a first rounder.

Sinorice Moss - Another speedster that sealed himself as a legit first rounder with a 4.34 40.

Vernon Davis - Locked himself up as a top 10 pick with a blistering 4.38 40 as a TE.

Losers

Vince Young - Despite the news that he retook the test and got a reasonable 16 people will hold that 6 over his head whether there was a faulty test or not.

Brian Calhoun - Ran a 4.61 40 and had an overall poor combine. He did not test well at all for his size and style.

Derek Hagan - Drops, drops, drops. Somebody may want to give this guy a shot at CB or something. I'm not sure whether he has droped as many balls as he has positions in the draft.

Jeremy Bloom - His situation is understandable but I still think coming in underweight and running slower than expected will hurt him for the time being.

Santonio Holmes - In a draft class that is low in WR talent two guys stepped up in a big way at the combine and with their speed they may leave Santonio in the dust.

 

[helix]

Winners

Jay Cutler - His stock keeps soaring. There is now talk of him being the number one pick if a trade happens.

What "talk"? Between you and your dog?

That is all I had to read. I don't think there is ANY scenerio where Cutler goes #1 overall (unless Bush and Leinart are unable to play football and VYoung forgets how to tie his shoe). Silly. Mark it down.

 

[Bri]

Jeremy Bloom - His situation is understandable but I still think coming in underweight and running slower than expected will hurt him for the time being.

I disagree. He's the one of the best stories in this draft. He seems like a character guy that some teams(sadly) sorely need. "Olympic shape" is an accomplishment or feat. I would think NFL scouts would be thoroughly impressed.

 

[Bri]

what about OL bojang?

 

[derek19]

Winners

Vernon Davis - Locked himself up as a top 10 pick with a blistering 4.38 40 as a TE.

Losers

Santonio Holmes - In a draft class that is low in WR talent two guys stepped up in a big way at the combine and with their speed they may leave Santonio in the dust.

I would be very pleased if the niners draft both of these players..... Since Holmes didn't do so well in the combine, is he still considered an early 2nd round?

 

[Footballhead]

I watched Cutler becnh pressing 225Lbs 23 times, and I could swear he was bouncing the last few off his chest.

 

[Bojang0301]

Winners

Jay Cutler - His stock keeps soaring. There is now talk of him being the number one pick if a trade happens.

What "talk"? Between you and your dog?

That is all I had to read. I don't think there is ANY scenerio where Cutler goes #1 overall (unless Bush and Leinart are unable to play football and VYoung forgets how to tie his shoe). Silly. Mark it down.

First off for your immature comments.

ESPN and other sources have said that if the Jets trade up they would look at the three QB's. I never said it would happen but that is how high his stock has gotten.

 

[Bojang0301]

what about OL bojang?

I don't know too much about them. Mangold didn't have an impressive showing on the bench. Eric Winston posted a nice 40 but that may not mean a whole lot.

 

[Chaos Commish]

Winners

Reggie McNeal - The guy can flat out fly when he needs to (4.35 40). May be a great project for some team but looks like he has made his way to the first day.

Bruce Gradkowski - Ran a 4.59 and is the type of accurate QB you look for in the WCO.

I've heard the opposite about these two. They really disappointed in the passing drills.

 

[Chaos Commish]

what about OL bojang?

I don't want to refer to them as winners and losers. It's not a good description of these guys, though I agree most of Bojang's list can be labeled that way. I'm also not hearing much about poor performers, just the ones who are impressing.Tackles:

Whitworth - winner works here

Justice - proved himself worthy of a very high pick

Winston - impressed with athleticism, but it was expected

Trueblood - has rallied off a disappointing senior bowl

Centers:

Mangold - has done fine, lived up to the hype, very agile, very sharp

Ross - had a surprisingly good showing

Guards:

Spitz - has looked good

Jean-Gilles - is more athletic than most thought

Spencer - see above

Joseph - looks like he's very solid

 

[Jason Wood]

No offense bojang but I've heard no one at the Combine suggest Cutler has moved into that consideration. In fact, the only comments I've heard explicitly about Cutler relative to other prospects was an interview today with Charlie Casserly on ESPN Radio and he said in no uncertain terms that while Cutler is a solid pro prospect, he's not in the "same league" as Matt Leinart.

I also don't think Santonio hurt himself at all, he just didn't help himself. Chad Jackson has now put the pressure on him for sure AND has likely secured himself a 1st round pick, but Holmes will determined whether he's WR1 or WR2-3 at his Pro Day. He could easily run a blistering time at his pro day and re-take the WR1 mantle from CJ.

 

[Godsbrother]

Bruce Gradkowski - Ran a 4.59 and is the type of accurate QB you look for in the WCO.

I would love to see the Steelers get the hometown boy and groom him behind Batch for a season and then have him backup Big Ben. I was hoping he might fall to the 5th or 6th round but that isn't going to happen.

 

[cstu]

Jeremy Bloom - His situation is understandable but I still think coming in underweight and running slower than expected will hurt him for the time being.

I disagree. He's the one of the best stories in this draft. He seems like a character guy that some teams(sadly) sorely need. "Olympic shape" is an accomplishment or feat. I would think NFL scouts would be thoroughly impressed.

173 pounds and a 4.5 isn't going to cut it in the NFL.

 

[Jason Wood]

Jeremy Bloom - His situation is understandable but I still think coming in underweight and running slower than expected will hurt him for the time being.

I disagree. He's the one of the best stories in this draft. He seems like a character guy that some teams(sadly) sorely need. "Olympic shape" is an accomplishment or feat. I would think NFL scouts would be thoroughly impressed.

173 pounds and a 4.5 isn't going to cut it in the NFL.

Agreed...now, Bloom [MB Bloom, not Jeremy Bloom] discussed this with me and suggested that Bloom [Jeremy] was worn out from the Olympics and will run much faster at his pro day. While that may be the case, I then have to question why he ran at the Combine in the first place. On top of being small and not as fast as many thought...I also question Bloom being a "character guy." I wouldn't say he's handled himself with the utmost of class and he's DEFINITELY an ego/glamour boy. These don't necessarily make him lacking in character, but I'm not sure how anyone views his character as a positive differentiator either.

 

[Bri]

Jeremy Bloom - His situation is understandable but I still think coming in underweight and running slower than expected will hurt him for the time being.

I disagree. He's the one of the best stories in this draft. He seems like a character guy that some teams(sadly) sorely need. "Olympic shape" is an accomplishment or feat. I would think NFL scouts would be thoroughly impressed.

173 pounds and a 4.5 isn't going to cut it in the NFL.

Agreed...now, Bloom [MB Bloom, not Jeremy Bloom] discussed this with me and suggested that Bloom [Jeremy] was worn out from the Olympics and will run much faster at his pro day. While that may be the case, I then have to question why he ran at the Combine in the first place. On top of being small and not as fast as many thought...I also question Bloom being a "character guy." I wouldn't say he's handled himself with the utmost of class and he's DEFINITELY an ego/glamour boy. These don't necessarily make him lacking in character, but I'm not sure how anyone views his character as a positive differentiator either.

I could be wrong about his character.I don't think I am about the Olympic training being a grind all athletes respect and that he's earned "brownie points" doing that and that his weight NOW won't matter.

I'd swear he was 158-160 for the Olympics, if he's 173 now....well then he wasn't "laying it on" when he said he had to almost starve himself to get to his olympic weight.

 

[cstu]

Jeremy Bloom - His situation is understandable but I still think coming in underweight and running slower than expected will hurt him for the time being.

I disagree. He's the one of the best stories in this draft. He seems like a character guy that some teams(sadly) sorely need. "Olympic shape" is an accomplishment or feat. I would think NFL scouts would be thoroughly impressed.

173 pounds and a 4.5 isn't going to cut it in the NFL.

Agreed...now, Bloom [MB Bloom, not Jeremy Bloom] discussed this with me and suggested that Bloom [Jeremy] was worn out from the Olympics and will run much faster at his pro day. While that may be the case, I then have to question why he ran at the Combine in the first place. On top of being small and not as fast as many thought...I also question Bloom being a "character guy." I wouldn't say he's handled himself with the utmost of class and he's DEFINITELY an ego/glamour boy. These don't necessarily make him lacking in character, but I'm not sure how anyone views his character as a positive differentiator either.

I could be wrong about his character.I don't think I am about the Olympic training being a grind all athletes respect and that he's earned "brownie points" doing that and that his weight NOW won't matter.

I'd swear he was 158-160 for the Olympics, if he's 173 now....well then he wasn't "laying it on" when he said he had to almost starve himself to get to his olympic weight.

It's possible he can make a team in some capacity, but when there are guys like Anthony Mix at 6-4, 235 that ran the same 40 it's really hurts his chances of getting drafted. Guys his size need to be a lot quicker (like Sinorice Moss) and at least have incredible hands.

 

[Bri]

It's possible he can make a team in some capacity,

I didn't say that.NFLs full of big egos and one of em' will want to show off their Olympic boy. I'd bet $ on it. He's going up tot he podium and some owner is flashing a huge "look at me" smile and putting his arm around him.

 

[cstu]

Winner:

DE Ryan LaCasse - 6-3, 267 and ran a 4.54. He will mostly likely have to convert to 3-4 OLB, but if he can he has the ideal size and speed for the position.

 

[MLBrandow]

Winner:

DE Ryan LaCasse - 6-3, 267 and ran a 4.54. He will mostly likely have to convert to 3-4 OLB, but if he can he has the ideal size and speed for the position.

 

[BigTex]

Winners

Jay Cutler - His stock keeps soaring. There is now talk of him being the number one pick if a trade happens.

What "talk"? Between you and your dog?

That is all I had to read. I don't think there is ANY scenerio where Cutler goes #1 overall (unless Bush and Leinart are unable to play football and VYoung forgets how to tie his shoe). Silly. Mark it down.

First off for your immature comments.ESPN and other sources have said that if the Jets trade up they would look at the three QB's. I never said it would happen but that is how high his stock has gotten.

I've been hearing the same thing and I've been hearing it before the combine that some GMs and scouts have him rated higher than VY and Leinart.

 

[BigTex]

No offense bojang but I've heard no one at the Combine suggest Cutler has moved into that consideration. In fact, the only comments I've heard explicitly about Cutler relative to other prospects was an interview today with Charlie Casserly on ESPN Radio and he said in no uncertain terms that while Cutler is a solid pro prospect, he's not in the "same league" as Matt Leinart.

I also don't think Santonio hurt himself at all, he just didn't help himself. Chad Jackson has now put the pressure on him for sure AND has likely secured himself a 1st round pick, but Holmes will determined whether he's WR1 or WR2-3 at his Pro Day. He could easily run a blistering time at his pro day and re-take the WR1 mantle from CJ.

bojand is not talking out of the air, ESPN radio have been saying it for sometime.

 

[Jason Wood]

No offense bojang but I've heard no one at the Combine suggest Cutler has moved into that consideration. In fact, the only comments I've heard explicitly about Cutler relative to other prospects was an interview today with Charlie Casserly on ESPN Radio and he said in no uncertain terms that while Cutler is a solid pro prospect, he's not in the "same league" as Matt Leinart.

I also don't think Santonio hurt himself at all, he just didn't help himself. Chad Jackson has now put the pressure on him for sure AND has likely secured himself a 1st round pick, but Holmes will determined whether he's WR1 or WR2-3 at his Pro Day. He could easily run a blistering time at his pro day and re-take the WR1 mantle from CJ.

bojand is not talking out of the air, ESPN radio have been saying it for sometime.

ESPN Radio where? Nationally syndicated? The Herd? Dan Patrick? Mike & Mike? ESPN locally in Texas? Tennessee?I've got ZERO interest in some local radio host pimping Jay Cutler or Chris Mortensen singing the guy's praises. Give me the guys actually at the Senior Bowl, at the Combine or paid by an NFL team to evaluate talent. I've not heard or read one NAMED source that says Cutler is a better prospect than Leinart.

 

[broncofan13000]

Chad Jackson - Posted a rediculous 4.32 40 and is a physical freak who has sealed himself as a first rounder.

hopefully he can fall into Denver's lap, if TO doesn't come here....

 

[Frenchy Fuqua]

Jeremy Bloom - His situation is understandable but I still think coming in underweight and running slower than expected will hurt him for the time being.

I disagree. He's the one of the best stories in this draft. He seems like a character guy that some teams(sadly) sorely need. "Olympic shape" is an accomplishment or feat. I would think NFL scouts would be thoroughly impressed.

173 pounds and a 4.5 isn't going to cut it in the NFL.

Agreed...now, Bloom [MB Bloom, not Jeremy Bloom] discussed this with me and suggested that Bloom [Jeremy] was worn out from the Olympics and will run much faster at his pro day. While that may be the case, I then have to question why he ran at the Combine in the first place. On top of being small and not as fast as many thought...I also question Bloom being a "character guy." I wouldn't say he's handled himself with the utmost of class and he's DEFINITELY an ego/glamour boy. These don't necessarily make him lacking in character, but I'm not sure how anyone views his character as a positive differentiator either.

Kind of disagree here Woodrow. Eisen and Butch Davis interviewed Bloom on Sunday and I was very impressed with him, seemed very likable. I also think it would have been easily justifiable for him to skip the 40, etc. at the combine and wait a month for his Pro Day. Heck the guy was in the Olympics only days earlier. With his size/positions he needed a strong 40 as much as any player at the combine yet despite not being in peak football shape he did everything asked of him, including a less than full-strength 40. I think that speaks to his character.

 

[diesel7982]

Jeremy Bloom - His situation is understandable but I still think coming in underweight and running slower than expected will hurt him for the time being.

I disagree. He's the one of the best stories in this draft. He seems like a character guy that some teams(sadly) sorely need. "Olympic shape" is an accomplishment or feat. I would think NFL scouts would be thoroughly impressed.

173 pounds and a 4.5 isn't going to cut it in the NFL.

Considering hes starved off most of his muscle, i thought the 4.5 was impressive. Let him get back up to 185-190 and we'll see him get in the mid 4.3s-4.4.Now whether he has any actual football skills is debateable, but knocking him for size and speed when he has been working to make himself smaller and not working on running is a little ridiculous.

 

[cstu]

Chad Jackson - Posted a rediculous 4.32 40 and is a physical freak who has sealed himself as a first rounder.

hopefully he can fall into Denver's lap, if TO doesn't come here....

He'll have a hard time getting past the Chargers - who definitely don't want him to fall into the Broncos' lap.

 

[rexnervous]

No offense bojang but I've heard no one at the Combine suggest Cutler has moved into that consideration. In fact, the only comments I've heard explicitly about Cutler relative to other prospects was an interview today with Charlie Casserly on ESPN Radio and he said in no uncertain terms that while Cutler is a solid pro prospect, he's not in the "same league" as Matt Leinart.

I also don't think Santonio hurt himself at all, he just didn't help himself. Chad Jackson has now put the pressure on him for sure AND has likely secured himself a 1st round pick, but Holmes will determined whether he's WR1 or WR2-3 at his Pro Day. He could easily run a blistering time at his pro day and re-take the WR1 mantle from CJ.

bojand is not talking out of the air, ESPN radio have been saying it for sometime.

ESPN Radio where? Nationally syndicated? The Herd? Dan Patrick? Mike & Mike? ESPN locally in Texas? Tennessee?I've got ZERO interest in some local radio host pimping Jay Cutler or Chris Mortensen singing the guy's praises. Give me the guys actually at the Senior Bowl, at the Combine or paid by an NFL team to evaluate talent. I've not heard or read one NAMED source that says Cutler is a better prospect than Leinart.

Cowherd had some reporter from NFL Network (apparently the only reporter actually allowed inside the combine) who said that Cutler was rising big-time...and that Vince Young was dropping. Take it for what it's worth.

 

[BigTex]

No offense bojang but I've heard no one at the Combine suggest Cutler has moved into that consideration. In fact, the only comments I've heard explicitly about Cutler relative to other prospects was an interview today with Charlie Casserly on ESPN Radio and he said in no uncertain terms that while Cutler is a solid pro prospect, he's not in the "same league" as Matt Leinart.

I also don't think Santonio hurt himself at all, he just didn't help himself. Chad Jackson has now put the pressure on him for sure AND has likely secured himself a 1st round pick, but Holmes will determined whether he's WR1 or WR2-3 at his Pro Day. He could easily run a blistering time at his pro day and re-take the WR1 mantle from CJ.

bojand is not talking out of the air, ESPN radio have been saying it for sometime.

ESPN Radio where? Nationally syndicated? The Herd? Dan Patrick? Mike & Mike? ESPN locally in Texas? Tennessee?I've got ZERO interest in some local radio host pimping Jay Cutler or Chris Mortensen singing the guy's praises. Give me the guys actually at the Senior Bowl, at the Combine or paid by an NFL team to evaluate talent. I've not heard or read one NAMED source that says Cutler is a better prospect than Leinart.

I'm just simply saying that bojang is not pulling this out of the air. That it has been talked about. Just because you guys have not heard about it doesn't mean that it hasn't been mentioned. I have Zero interest where or when he's drafted, but still according to ESPN radio, scouts (unamed) have said the Culter is better than VY and Matt. I don't know if he is are not, but I've heard the same as bojang, I don't know where bojang lives are where he's heard this, but he and I have heard the same thing.

 

[Chris Smith]

what about OL bojang?

I don't want to refer to them as winners and losers. It's not a good description of these guys, though I agree most of Bojang's list can be labeled that way. I'm also not hearing much about poor performers, just the ones who are impressing.Tackles:

Whitworth - winner works here

Justice - proved himself worthy of a very high pick

Winston - impressed with athleticism, but it was expected

Trueblood - has rallied off a disappointing senior bowl

Centers:

Mangold - has done fine, lived up to the hype, very agile, very sharp

Ross - had a surprisingly good showing

Guards:

Spitz - has looked good

Jean-Gilles - is more athletic than most thought

Spencer - see above

Joseph - looks like he's very solid

Joe Toledo of Washington impressed me with his footwork and strength. He should get the opportunity to start at the next level but it will likely take him a year or two to get going.Charles Spencer of Pitt is a large man but showcased good footwork and surprising agility. He benched 30 reps and performed well in the drills. He will start at guard and do very well in the NFL.

Max Jean-Gilles is a mountain of a man who will be able to dominate opposing lineman in close. However he looked a little out of place in space (both during the season and in the combine and he'll have to be in the right situation to thrive. He'll definitely get a shot to start)

Davin Joseph, Oklahoma... Didn't really do anything to hurt or help his stock during the combine but he will be expected to come onto a roster and immediately compete for a starting job. He is agile and explosive as his 9'3 broad jump showcases.

Jason Spitz, Louisville...I thought he looked very stiff; had a slow 40-time, and marginal efforts in broad jump and vertical jump. I believe he will have issues in pulling/blocking the 2nd wave of defense and he will struggle to see playing time out of the gate.

Nick Mangold, Ohio State... Looks to be a stud lineman. Great 20-yard shuffle time and good result in 3-cone drill, has a nice wide base during blocking drills and will have an immediate impact.

Chris Chester, Okla... Nobody surprised me more than this kid (along the line). Good size, ran a 4.88 forty and had strong results in the 20-yard; 3-cone, broad jump and vertical jump. During the blocking drills he looked very mobile and athletic and he may be an immediate starter at the next level.

Andrew Whitworth... Big man who had a solid combine showing. He plays with a great wide base and was more athletic than was thought.

Eric Winston, Miami Fla... Had a very strong showing at the combine and did nothing but help his stock sore. He's a first round pick and rightfully so. Showcased fabulous athleticism during the different stages of the combine.

Winston Justice, USC... Another guy who had a great showing at the combine. He is a first round pick and put up fabulous numbers in the various combine tests. He moved very well in space.

Greg Eslinger, Minn... He has short arms and didn't move as well as I would like. He has a place at the NFL level but I'm not sure he will be a full-time starter. He'll need the right scheme in order to have success.

Will Montgomery, Vir Tech... This player is extremely athletic. He put up fabulous times in the 3-cone and 20-yard drills and he is a player to watch down the road. At worst, he will give a team great depth but he could emerge as a valuable starter in time.

Player that may have helped himself the most...

Darren Colledge, Boise State... Going into the combine, he was already known as a technition of his craft and is small at 299 pounds. What wasn't known was how athletic he is. He had a good forty time of 5.08, great results in the 20-y and the 3-cone and a great vertical jump which showcased good explosion. He looked very fluid in drills and has more agility than was expected. His bench press result wasn't great (21 reps) but he can get stronger with time. He would be a great fit for a team like the Broncos (smaller but smart and athletic.

Interesting Prospect...

Guy Whimper, East Carolina. He isn't talked about much but he had a very strong combine. He ran a 4.95 forty, had a great 3-cone time and showcased fantastic agility in blocking drills. He is a former tight end which is obvious when you watch him move. Downside... He is very raw and will need a couple of years to develop.

... This is a great year for lineman coming out. Probably the best in many seasons as there are a lot of players I didn't mention that all have a shot to see significant playing time over the next few seasons (Taitusi Lutui, Fred Matua, Marcus O'Neil, Jonathon Scott, Derek Morris and Ryan O'Callaghan. All of these players are legitimate talents).

Players I wasn't that impressed with include

Michael Toudaize, TCU who is raw and didn't move that well

Terrence Pennington, New Mexico who was slow and has marginal skills

Jeremy Trueblood, Boston College: Saw nothing stand out about him.

Jason Spitz, Louisville... Thought he looked stiff

Jhari Evans, Bloomsburg... Raw and didn't do enough considering his small school handicap.

Isaac Sowells, Indiana.. Just your typical big guy lineman. Depth player at best.

 

[Jason Wood]

No offense bojang but I've heard no one at the Combine suggest Cutler has moved into that consideration. In fact, the only comments I've heard explicitly about Cutler relative to other prospects was an interview today with Charlie Casserly on ESPN Radio and he said in no uncertain terms that while Cutler is a solid pro prospect, he's not in the "same league" as Matt Leinart.

I also don't think Santonio hurt himself at all, he just didn't help himself. Chad Jackson has now put the pressure on him for sure AND has likely secured himself a 1st round pick, but Holmes will determined whether he's WR1 or WR2-3 at his Pro Day. He could easily run a blistering time at his pro day and re-take the WR1 mantle from CJ.

bojand is not talking out of the air, ESPN radio have been saying it for sometime.

ESPN Radio where? Nationally syndicated? The Herd? Dan Patrick? Mike & Mike? ESPN locally in Texas? Tennessee?I've got ZERO interest in some local radio host pimping Jay Cutler or Chris Mortensen singing the guy's praises. Give me the guys actually at the Senior Bowl, at the Combine or paid by an NFL team to evaluate talent. I've not heard or read one NAMED source that says Cutler is a better prospect than Leinart.

I'm just simply saying that bojang is not pulling this out of the air. That it has been talked about. Just because you guys have not heard about it doesn't mean that it hasn't been mentioned. I have Zero interest where or when he's drafted, but still according to ESPN radio, scouts (unamed) have said the Culter is better than VY and Matt. I don't know if he is are not, but I've heard the same as bojang, I don't know where bojang lives are where he's heard this, but he and I have heard the same thing.

I've heard he's rising, while Vince Young is falling. But I haven't heard anyone say he's better than Leinart and sure as heck haven't heard anyone suggest he could be taken 1st overall. That's silliness.

 

[Chris Smith]

In regards to Bloom, I must give him props just for showing up at the time after competing in the Olympics. Obviously football shape is very different from skiing but he still had the competitive juices to show up now instead of just waiting for his Pro Day which would have been fine considering the circumstances.

I'm not convinced he is going to be a productive NFL player at all but I still like the fire and commitment to give it his all.

 

[jimweldy]

No offense bojang but I've heard no one at the Combine suggest Cutler has moved into that consideration. In fact, the only comments I've heard explicitly about Cutler relative to other prospects was an interview today with Charlie Casserly on ESPN Radio and he said in no uncertain terms that while Cutler is a solid pro prospect, he's not in the "same league" as Matt Leinart.

I also don't think Santonio hurt himself at all, he just didn't help himself. Chad Jackson has now put the pressure on him for sure AND has likely secured himself a 1st round pick, but Holmes will determined whether he's WR1 or WR2-3 at his Pro Day. He could easily run a blistering time at his pro day and re-take the WR1 mantle from CJ.

bojand is not talking out of the air, ESPN radio have been saying it for sometime.

ESPN Radio where? Nationally syndicated? The Herd? Dan Patrick? Mike & Mike? ESPN locally in Texas? Tennessee?I've got ZERO interest in some local radio host pimping Jay Cutler or Chris Mortensen singing the guy's praises. Give me the guys actually at the Senior Bowl, at the Combine or paid by an NFL team to evaluate talent. I've not heard or read one NAMED source that says Cutler is a better prospect than Leinart.

I'm just simply saying that bojang is not pulling this out of the air. That it has been talked about. Just because you guys have not heard about it doesn't mean that it hasn't been mentioned. I have Zero interest where or when he's drafted, but still according to ESPN radio, scouts (unamed) have said the Culter is better than VY and Matt. I don't know if he is are not, but I've heard the same as bojang, I don't know where bojang lives are where he's heard this, but he and I have heard the same thing.

CNNSI has it in their truth and rumors: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/scor....nfl/index.htmlRumors began flying that the Jets are candidates to trade up with the Texans and land the No. 1 overall pick in the NFL Draft, which they would use on quarterbacks Matt Leinart or Jay Cutler.

-- New York Post

OK, it's just from the New York Post, but the rumor is out there

 

[BigTex]

No offense bojang but I've heard no one at the Combine suggest Cutler has moved into that consideration. In fact, the only comments I've heard explicitly about Cutler relative to other prospects was an interview today with Charlie Casserly on ESPN Radio and he said in no uncertain terms that while Cutler is a solid pro prospect, he's not in the "same league" as Matt Leinart.

I also don't think Santonio hurt himself at all, he just didn't help himself. Chad Jackson has now put the pressure on him for sure AND has likely secured himself a 1st round pick, but Holmes will determined whether he's WR1 or WR2-3 at his Pro Day. He could easily run a blistering time at his pro day and re-take the WR1 mantle from CJ.

bojand is not talking out of the air, ESPN radio have been saying it for sometime.

ESPN Radio where? Nationally syndicated? The Herd? Dan Patrick? Mike & Mike? ESPN locally in Texas? Tennessee?I've got ZERO interest in some local radio host pimping Jay Cutler or Chris Mortensen singing the guy's praises. Give me the guys actually at the Senior Bowl, at the Combine or paid by an NFL team to evaluate talent. I've not heard or read one NAMED source that says Cutler is a better prospect than Leinart.

I'm just simply saying that bojang is not pulling this out of the air. That it has been talked about. Just because you guys have not heard about it doesn't mean that it hasn't been mentioned. I have Zero interest where or when he's drafted, but still according to ESPN radio, scouts (unamed) have said the Culter is better than VY and Matt. I don't know if he is are not, but I've heard the same as bojang, I don't know where bojang lives are where he's heard this, but he and I have heard the same thing.

I've heard he's rising, while Vince Young is falling. But I haven't heard anyone say he's better than Leinart and sure as heck haven't heard anyone suggest he could be taken 1st overall. That's silliness.

I know it sounds silly, which is why you've responded the way you did. I figured someone is trying to get teams to question VY or/and Matt (so one can fall to them), or he his highly intelligent or very stupid.

 

[Chaos Commish]

No offense bojang but I've heard no one at the Combine suggest Cutler has moved into that consideration. In fact, the only comments I've heard explicitly about Cutler relative to other prospects was an interview today with Charlie Casserly on ESPN Radio and he said in no uncertain terms that while Cutler is a solid pro prospect, he's not in the "same league" as Matt Leinart.

I also don't think Santonio hurt himself at all, he just didn't help himself. Chad Jackson has now put the pressure on him for sure AND has likely secured himself a 1st round pick, but Holmes will determined whether he's WR1 or WR2-3 at his Pro Day. He could easily run a blistering time at his pro day and re-take the WR1 mantle from CJ.

bojand is not talking out of the air, ESPN radio have been saying it for sometime.

ESPN Radio where? Nationally syndicated? The Herd? Dan Patrick? Mike & Mike? ESPN locally in Texas? Tennessee?I've got ZERO interest in some local radio host pimping Jay Cutler or Chris Mortensen singing the guy's praises. Give me the guys actually at the Senior Bowl, at the Combine or paid by an NFL team to evaluate talent. I've not heard or read one NAMED source that says Cutler is a better prospect than Leinart.

Jason, bojang is right. Rob Rang, who runs NFL Draft Scout, has been quoted saying he (a very respected longtime NFL scout) prefers Cutler to the other two. His site rates Cutler 3rd, but he doesn't. The NY Time says this:

But according to league personnel at the combine, Cutler has solidified his position as one of the top three quarterbacks, and could move ahead of Young, or perhaps even Leinart. The top three quarterback prospects are so different in their abilities, teams must carefully evaluate which one best suits their system.

I can provide you with a dozen such comments from various sites. Not just pundits, but scouts, personnel execs, etc. Phil Savage:

"He's put himself in position to be either the second or third quarterback taken," Browns GM Phil Savage said at the NFL scouting combine last week. "He hasn't had a lot of great players around him and he's played against better opponents in adverse circumstances and he's lived to tell about it."

The New York Post via SI:

Rumors began flying that the Jets are candidates to trade up with the Texans and land the No. 1 overall pick in the NFL Draft, which they would use on quarterbacks Matt Leinart or Jay Cutler.

-- New York Post

MSNBC:

The same goes for Cutler. One faction believes he’s better than Young or Leinart. He’s big, strong and can throw the ball like crazy. A late first-round projection a few months ago, Cutler has the ability to zoom up the boards. Can he go as high as No. 2 or stay in Nashville? Maybe. He is supposed to work out in Indy, so he can really help himself. The overall feeling is Cutler is too good and too sharp to hurt himself. At the least he could go No. 4 to the New York Jets.

I'm not suggesting this is a majority opinion, but to say no one of value is making such comment is false. I wish I had bookmarked some of the stuff I read, because the above quotes came from one quick google. There's been much stronger comments from scouts, personnelers, a couple coaches etc. It's still kool-aid, but it isn't as "out there" as you seem to think. No biggie. It is kool-aid. I'm way higher on Cutler than you, but you have him higher in your last mock than I do. I have him going to the Dolphins. Who are very interested in Omar Jacobs. Cutler could fall like Rodgers did, which in his case could be early 2nd round.

 

[Chris Smith]

One player that I am more and more impressed with is Mike Hass, receiver from Oregon State. I thought he may look out of play when it came to athleticism during the combine but he impressed me with his quickness and cutting ability. Combine that with strong hands and I think this kid has a good career ahead of him at the NFL level. At worst, he'll settle into a Ricky Proehl kind of role but I wouldn't be surprised to see him achieve much greater success with his good attitude and work ethic.

 

[BigTex]

No offense bojang but I've heard no one at the Combine suggest Cutler has moved into that consideration. In fact, the only comments I've heard explicitly about Cutler relative to other prospects was an interview today with Charlie Casserly on ESPN Radio and he said in no uncertain terms that while Cutler is a solid pro prospect, he's not in the "same league" as Matt Leinart.

I also don't think Santonio hurt himself at all, he just didn't help himself. Chad Jackson has now put the pressure on him for sure AND has likely secured himself a 1st round pick, but Holmes will determined whether he's WR1 or WR2-3 at his Pro Day. He could easily run a blistering time at his pro day and re-take the WR1 mantle from CJ.

bojand is not talking out of the air, ESPN radio have been saying it for sometime.

ESPN Radio where? Nationally syndicated? The Herd? Dan Patrick? Mike & Mike? ESPN locally in Texas? Tennessee?I've got ZERO interest in some local radio host pimping Jay Cutler or Chris Mortensen singing the guy's praises. Give me the guys actually at the Senior Bowl, at the Combine or paid by an NFL team to evaluate talent. I've not heard or read one NAMED source that says Cutler is a better prospect than Leinart.

Jason, bojang is right. Rob Rang, who runs NFL Draft Scout, has been quoted saying he (a very respected longtime NFL scout) prefers Cutler to the other two. His site rates Cutler 3rd, but he doesn't. The NY Time says this:

But according to league personnel at the combine, Cutler has solidified his position as one of the top three quarterbacks, and could move ahead of Young, or perhaps even Leinart. The top three quarterback prospects are so different in their abilities, teams must carefully evaluate which one best suits their system.

I can provide you with a dozen such comments from various sites. Not just pundits, but scouts, personnel execs, etc. Phil Savage:

"He's put himself in position to be either the second or third quarterback taken," Browns GM Phil Savage said at the NFL scouting combine last week. "He hasn't had a lot of great players around him and he's played against better opponents in adverse circumstances and he's lived to tell about it."

The New York Post via SI:

Rumors began flying that the Jets are candidates to trade up with the Texans and land the No. 1 overall pick in the NFL Draft, which they would use on quarterbacks Matt Leinart or Jay Cutler.

  -- New York Post

MSNBC:

The same goes for Cutler. One faction believes he’s better than Young or Leinart. He’s big, strong and can throw the ball like crazy. A late first-round projection a few months ago, Cutler has the ability to zoom up the boards. Can he go as high as No. 2 or stay in Nashville? Maybe. He is supposed to work out in Indy, so he can really help himself. The overall feeling is Cutler is too good and too sharp to hurt himself. At the least he could go No. 4 to the New York Jets.

I'm not suggesting this is a majority opinion, but to say no one of value is making such comment is false. I wish I had bookmarked some of the stuff I read, because the above quotes came from one quick google. There's been much stronger comments from scouts, personnelers, a couple coaches etc. It's still kool-aid, but it isn't as "out there" as you seem to think. No biggie. It is kool-aid. I'm way higher on Cutler than you, but you have him higher in your last mock than I do. I have him going to the Dolphins. Who are very interested in Omar Jacobs. Cutler could fall like Rodgers did, which in his case could be early 2nd round.

 

[Chris Smith]

There is no way Jay Cutler is going to go # 1 in the draft. This is simple the pre-draft rhetoric you always seem to hear.

To be honest, I wasn't even that impressed with Cutler. He has a cannon of an arm and ran a good forty time but the same thing can be said for tons of quarterbacks that failed at the next level (Heath Shuler, etc.).

I didn't think he threw the ball fabulous during the drills and there is no way a team is going to trade up to # 1 to take him in the draft. That makes no sense whatsoever.

I wouldn't be surprised to see the opposite occur and to see him plummet during the draft much like Aaron Rodgers did a year ago while teams pick up strong prospects at offensive line, linebacker, etc.

 

[Chris Smith]

A quarterback who impressed me that I knew nothing about whatsoever was Ingle Martin of Furman. He consistently put the ball right where it needed to be and showed great touch. He could emerge down the road much like Trent Green, Marc Bulger and Kurt Warner did. Someone to keep an eye on.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

There is no way Jay Cutler is going to go # 1 in the draft.

While I tend to agree, people were thinking the same thing about Alex Smith at this time last year. Heck, at this point Smith wasn't even as far up the draft boards as Cutler already is.

 

[Chaos Commish]

A quarterback who impressed me that I knew nothing about whatsoever was Ingle Martin of Furman. He consistently put the ball right where it needed to be and showed great touch. He could emerge down the road much like Trent Green, Marc Bulger and Kurt Warner did. Someone to keep an eye on.

See? You should have been reading my blog. I pimped Ingle Martin pretty hard over a month ago. He's very Cutler-like.

 

[LHUCKS]

No offense bojang but I've heard no one at the Combine suggest Cutler has moved into that consideration. In fact, the only comments I've heard explicitly about Cutler relative to other prospects was an interview today with Charlie Casserly on ESPN Radio and he said in no uncertain terms that while Cutler is a solid pro prospect, he's not in the "same league" as Matt Leinart.

I also don't think Santonio hurt himself at all, he just didn't help himself. Chad Jackson has now put the pressure on him for sure AND has likely secured himself a 1st round pick, but Holmes will determined whether he's WR1 or WR2-3 at his Pro Day. He could easily run a blistering time at his pro day and re-take the WR1 mantle from CJ.

On Mike and Mike this morning, they mentioned that there are several teams that now have Cutler as their top rated QB.

 

[cstu]

One player that I am more and more impressed with is Mike Hass, receiver from Oregon State. I thought he may look out of play when it came to athleticism during the combine but he impressed me with his quickness and cutting ability. Combine that with strong hands and I think this kid has a good career ahead of him at the NFL level. At worst, he'll settle into a Ricky Proehl kind of role but I wouldn't be surprised to see him achieve much greater success with his good attitude and work ethic.

Very under-rated IMO because he isn't a burner (4.63) but there's always a spot in the NFL for guys with great hands.

 

[cstu]

No offense bojang but I've heard no one at the Combine suggest Cutler has moved into that consideration. In fact, the only comments I've heard explicitly about Cutler relative to other prospects was an interview today with Charlie Casserly on ESPN Radio and he said in no uncertain terms that while Cutler is a solid pro prospect, he's not in the "same league" as Matt Leinart.

I also don't think Santonio hurt himself at all, he just didn't help himself. Chad Jackson has now put the pressure on him for sure AND has likely secured himself a 1st round pick, but Holmes will determined whether he's WR1 or WR2-3 at his Pro Day. He could easily run a blistering time at his pro day and re-take the WR1 mantle from CJ.

On Mike and Mike this morning, they mentioned that there are several teams that now have Cutler as their top rated QB.

I'd pick him before Leinart or Young. Picking him over Leinart is a tough call, but he has all the tools and intangibles.

 

[Bojang0301]

There is no way Jay Cutler is going to go # 1 in the draft. This is simple the pre-draft rhetoric you always seem to hear.

To be honest, I wasn't even that impressed with Cutler. He has a cannon of an arm and ran a good forty time but the same thing can be said for tons of quarterbacks that failed at the next level (Heath Shuler, etc.).

I didn't think he threw the ball fabulous during the drills and there is no way a team is going to trade up to # 1 to take him in the draft. That makes no sense whatsoever.

I wouldn't be surprised to see the opposite occur and to see him plummet during the draft much like Aaron Rodgers did a year ago while teams pick up strong prospects at offensive line, linebacker, etc.

No way. Many times its all about the momentum you have going into the draft. People were down on Rodgers the same is not even close to true about Cutler. Many teams want him and some team will take him early or panic and trade up to pick him up early. He is closer to Philip Rivers or Kyle Boller than to Aaron Rodgers at this point.

 

[Chaos Commish]

I'd pick him before Leinart or Young. Picking him over Leinart is a tough call, but he has all the tools and intangibles.

KutlerKoolAid Good stuff!

 

[Burning Sensation]

Winners

Jay Cutler - His stock keeps soaring. There is now talk of him being the number one pick if a trade happens.

What "talk"? Between you and your dog?

That is all I had to read. I don't think there is ANY scenerio where Cutler goes #1 overall (unless Bush and Leinart are unable to play football and VYoung forgets how to tie his shoe). Silly. Mark it down.

Can you quote a source confirming that he was ever able to do this? It is conceivable that the guy who was taking his tests and doing his homework was also tying his shoes for him.

 

[Bojang0301]

A quarterback who impressed me that I knew nothing about whatsoever was Ingle Martin of Furman.  He consistently put the ball right where it needed to be and showed great touch.  He could emerge down the road much like Trent Green, Marc Bulger and Kurt Warner did.  Someone to keep an eye on.

See? You should have been reading my blog. I pimped Ingle Martin pretty hard over a month ago. He's very Cutler-like.

Someone might give him a chance. He never did get a fair shake at Florida.

 

[Bloom]

Looking over the D-lineman numbers on nfl.com I see a lot more winners than losers:

Winners

Two guys I really liked all week at the Shrine Game, Chris Gocong (Cal Poly) and Rob Ninkovich (Purdue) had great quickness drills. I like both as 3-4 OLB Tweener types. Ninkovich showed relentless pursuit of Reggie McNeal during the game and really flustered him.

Jeremy Mincey, who had a dominant Hula Bowl, just eating up very athletic QBs Barrick Nealy and Brad Smith, also flashed some quickness. I think Mincey could also fit at OLB in a 3-4.

Mark Anderson followed up a surprisingly good Senior Bowl week with the dominant athletic performance of group 9 and placed himself firmly in the first day mix. This DE class really lacks a clear cut #4 after Williams, Hali, and Kiwanuka and Anderson could himself in the mix yet.

Two guys who project as very disruptive long 3-4 OLB types are Manny Lawson and Kamerion Wimbley. Lawson's performance was as impressive as Vernon Davis's in my eyes. Lawson's speed/explosion/quickness combo is scary to imagine coming from the edge. Wimbley also posted great numbers across the board and is looking like a solid 2nd rounder.

Mario Williams confirmed that he brings a size/athleticism package that is off the charts.

Losers

Elvis Dumervil did not show the speed you would expect such a productive edge rusher to have. He's an odd package for a DE and could end up being a role player. His stock has taken a dive in the postseason.

Parys Haralson really did little to distinguish himself in a solid class of 3-4 OLB tweener types after a decent Senior Bowl week.

 

[Chaos Commish]

Looking over the D-lineman numbers on

Mark Anderson followed up a surprisingly good Senior Bowl week with the dominant athletic performance of group 9 and placed himself firmly in the first day mix. This DE class really lacks a clear cut #4 after Williams, Hali, and Kiwanuka and Anderson could himself in the mix yet.

Two guys who project as very disruptive long 3-4 OLB types are Manny Lawson and Kamerion Wimbley. Lawson's performance was as impressive as Vernon Davis's in my eyes. Lawson's speed/explosion/quickness combo is scary to imagine coming from the edge. Wimbley also posted great numbers across the board and is looking like a solid 2nd rounder.

Someone among Lawson, Wimbley and Anderson is going to be drafted before Kiwanuka. Maybe a couple of them. I think Kiwi is continuing the slide, not because he's doing poorly, but because he's being shown up. Lawson is the most likely suspect. Look who hurried to interview him:

Manny Lawson, DE, N.C. State

Dolphins, Buccaneers, Giants, Cowboys, Jaguars, Falcons

Four 4-3 teams. He can play DE in a 4-3. He's being underrated by people who ONLY see him in a 3-4.

 

[Bloom]

Looking over the D-lineman numbers on

Mark Anderson followed up a surprisingly good Senior Bowl week with the dominant athletic performance of group 9 and placed himself firmly in the first day mix. This DE class really lacks a clear cut #4 after Williams, Hali, and Kiwanuka and Anderson could himself in the mix yet.

Two guys who project as very disruptive long 3-4 OLB types are Manny Lawson and Kamerion Wimbley. Lawson's performance was as impressive as Vernon Davis's in my eyes. Lawson's speed/explosion/quickness combo is scary to imagine coming from the edge. Wimbley also posted great numbers across the board and is looking like a solid 2nd rounder.

Someone among Lawson, Wimbley and Anderson is going to be drafted before Kiwanuka. Maybe a couple of them. I think Kiwi is continuing the slide, not because he's doing poorly, but because he's being shown up. Lawson is the most likely suspect. Look who hurried to interview him:

Manny Lawson, DE, N.C. State

Dolphins, Buccaneers, Giants, Cowboys, Jaguars, Falcons

Four 4-3 teams. He can play DE in a 4-3. He's being underrated by people who ONLY see him in a 3-4.

I think you're right on both counts, Im being too heavily influenced by Ware and Merriman being converted last year, so I wasnt counting Lawson or Wimbley as DEs. Lawson could also be groomed to be a Jason Taylor type - although the idea of Lawson and Ware as pinchers on the edge in Dallas is intriguing.