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[Rovers]

3. He has power. He lives on Long Island as I do. The condemning fact is that he removed his personal info from several places, all at the same time. You don't do that unless you intend to disappear. He disappeared. He even changed his own screen name at the site he owns! If it smells like it, looks like it, I don't think you need to taste it.

Your money is paying for his divorce lawyer...you got taken my friend...no wonder the guys getting divorced ,hes a scumbag...life lesson # 23...never trust anyone

Can't agree with this sentiment. I am in some VERY good leagues for YEARS with people I've never met face to face. I trust them. That trust has been well founded. These scammers can be tracked down and the law will go after them. There is another thread in the "find a league" forum where people talked about scammers, and how they got caught, eventually. One guy thought he walked away with thousands of dollars. He didn't. He got caught. As I mentioned, I am trying to start a new league. To what length must I go to accomplish this? Send Voided personal and business checks to prospective owners? Is that enough? Does doing that put me at risk for scammers? I would not even know how to set up an escrow account, but that may be what it has to come down to, which would also mean less prize money to pay for the account. I won't let a few theives keep me from my hobby any more than muggers will keep me in my house. These jerks WILL get caught, but the victims have to go after them. For 800 bucks, I'd spend 700 of it if I had to to get the guy.

 

[55555]

2. If the guy was really out to swindle everyone, why in the heck would he wait to the end of the season to do it? Once the money is in the bank, the swindle is done, there is no reason to create the appearance that he actually cares about who wins the whole thing.

He would wait till the end of the season because if he wins the league he has no reason to swindle. He probably got eliminated and went with plan B, swindle.

 

[bcr8f]

Can't agree with this sentiment. I am in some VERY good leagues for YEARS with people I've never met face to face. I trust them. That trust has been well founded. These scammers can be tracked down and the law will go after them. There is another thread in the "find a league" forum where people talked about scammers, and how they got caught, eventually. One guy thought he walked away with thousands of dollars. He didn't. He got caught. As I mentioned, I am trying to start a new league. To what length must I go to accomplish this? Send Voided personal and business checks to prospective owners? Is that enough? Does doing that put me at risk for scammers? I would not even know how to set up an escrow account, but that may be what it has to come down to, which would also mean less prize money to pay for the account. I won't let a few theives keep me from my hobby any more than muggers will keep me in my house. These jerks WILL get caught, but the victims have to go after them. For 800 bucks, I'd spend 700 of it if I had to to get the guy.

I agree. I am in leagues with people I never met but have known at sites for years. Can I be taken by them if they suddenly go through a divorce? Sure it's possible but I know many who set up separate accounts for league dues and never have league money in personal accounts.Crooks can be tracked down.

 

[Phurfur]

3. He has power. He lives on Long Island as I do. The condemning fact is that he removed his personal info from several places, all at the same time. You don't do that unless you intend to disappear. He disappeared. He even changed his own screen name at the site he owns! If it smells like it, looks like it, I don't think you need to taste it.

Your money is paying for his divorce lawyer...you got taken my friend...no wonder the guys getting divorced ,hes a scumbag...life lesson # 23...never trust anyone

Can't agree with this sentiment. I am in some VERY good leagues for YEARS with people I've never met face to face. I trust them. That trust has been well founded. These scammers can be tracked down and the law will go after them. There is another thread in the "find a league" forum where people talked about scammers, and how they got caught, eventually. One guy thought he walked away with thousands of dollars. He didn't. He got caught.

As I mentioned, I am trying to start a new league. To what length must I go to accomplish this? Send Voided personal and business checks to prospective owners? Is that enough? Does doing that put me at risk for scammers? I would not even know how to set up an escrow account, but that may be what it has to come down to, which would also mean less prize money to pay for the account.

I won't let a few theives keep me from my hobby any more than muggers will keep me in my house.

These jerks WILL get caught, but the victims have to go after them. For 800 bucks, I'd spend 700 of it if I had to to get the guy.

But if you continue doing things like this you will get taken sooner or later, if not in FF is some other area. BRWARE!

 

[Smashmouth Fan]

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...howtopic=386090

Couple interesting things from the original posting by Smizzy. The first is that he didn't look like he was just making a money grab with the intention of bolting. At one point he questions the "background" (insert look of irony here) of a new poster that wants on board. Seems like whatever is going on now probably started with good intentions.

The other thing is that he was vouched for by another member. I don't know if the guy who vouched for Smizzy was known to others who joined the league (based on that recommendation) but if so you can't really fault Kevrunner and others for jumping on board. I think at one point or another most of us has had $$ dealings with guys that they have never met face to face. You do a little due diligence and hope for the best. Sad but true.

 

[TheWick]

Smizzy was one of the ones last year that got porked by Turfwar if I remember right. Perhaps thats where he got the idea.

 

[Big 'N Tasty]

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...howtopic=386090

Couple interesting things from the original posting by Smizzy. The first is that he didn't look like he was just making a money grab with the intention of bolting. At one point he questions the "background" (insert look of irony here) of a new poster that wants on board. Seems like whatever is going on now probably started with good intentions.

The other thing is that he was vouched for by another member. I don't know if the guy who vouched for Smizzy was known to others who joined the league (based on that recommendation) but if so you can't really fault Kevrunner and others for jumping on board. I think at one point or another most of us has had $$ dealings with guys that they have never met face to face. You do a little due diligence and hope for the best. Sad but true.

Very true. What is the world coming to when you can't trust a stranger that vouched for another stranger!

 

[Rovers]

3. He has power. He lives on Long Island as I do. The condemning fact is that he removed his personal info from several places, all at the same time. You don't do that unless you intend to disappear. He disappeared. He even changed his own screen name at the site he owns! If it smells like it, looks like it, I don't think you need to taste it.

Your money is paying for his divorce lawyer...you got taken my friend...no wonder the guys getting divorced ,hes a scumbag...life lesson # 23...never trust anyone

Can't agree with this sentiment. I am in some VERY good leagues for YEARS with people I've never met face to face. I trust them. That trust has been well founded. These scammers can be tracked down and the law will go after them. There is another thread in the "find a league" forum where people talked about scammers, and how they got caught, eventually. One guy thought he walked away with thousands of dollars. He didn't. He got caught.

As I mentioned, I am trying to start a new league. To what length must I go to accomplish this? Send Voided personal and business checks to prospective owners? Is that enough? Does doing that put me at risk for scammers? I would not even know how to set up an escrow account, but that may be what it has to come down to, which would also mean less prize money to pay for the account.

I won't let a few theives keep me from my hobby any more than muggers will keep me in my house.

These jerks WILL get caught, but the victims have to go after them. For 800 bucks, I'd spend 700 of it if I had to to get the guy.

But if you continue doing things like this you will get taken sooner or later, if not in FF is some other area. BRWARE!

So, your position is to NEVER play in any on-line leagues? Locals are fun, but are they "safe"? In fact, one local which I eventually quit was the slowest FF league to send out prize money. I had to bug the guy for my money. I havent been "taken" yet, and if I ever am, I'll track the s-o-b down. I refuse to live in fear, and idiots like this won't make me do that any more than the terrorists from 9-11 kept me from flying and traveling wherever I darn well pleased. Crossing the street has risks. Going into NYC for an off Broadway show has risks. Getting into your car carries risk.

I refuse to empower crooks, theives or even murders to dictate to me how to live my life. I picked up body parts at ground zero, the Twin Towers. Still, I refuse to live in a protected bubble. I won't live life ducking at every noise or disturbance. Seems to me that some people see it differently.

Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.

Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759

 

[Rovers]

3. He has power. He lives on Long Island as I do. The condemning fact is that he removed his personal info from several places, all at the same time. You don't do that unless you intend to disappear. He disappeared. He even changed his own screen name at the site he owns! If it smells like it, looks like it, I don't think you need to taste it.

Your money is paying for his divorce lawyer...you got taken my friend...no wonder the guys getting divorced ,hes a scumbag...life lesson # 23...never trust anyone

Can't agree with this sentiment. I am in some VERY good leagues for YEARS with people I've never met face to face. I trust them. That trust has been well founded. These scammers can be tracked down and the law will go after them. There is another thread in the "find a league" forum where people talked about scammers, and how they got caught, eventually. One guy thought he walked away with thousands of dollars. He didn't. He got caught.

As I mentioned, I am trying to start a new league. To what length must I go to accomplish this? Send Voided personal and business checks to prospective owners? Is that enough? Does doing that put me at risk for scammers? I would not even know how to set up an escrow account, but that may be what it has to come down to, which would also mean less prize money to pay for the account.

I won't let a few theives keep me from my hobby any more than muggers will keep me in my house.

These jerks WILL get caught, but the victims have to go after them. For 800 bucks, I'd spend 700 of it if I had to to get the guy.

But if you continue doing things like this you will get taken sooner or later, if not in FF is some other area. BRWARE!as for people getting caught, I don't think playing FF for money is legal. The law will not be on your side.

It is prosecutable. From another thread: Hey owners from Hollywood Stars IDP, keep reading this thread, as we now have several people from our league who have filed chargers with their local police departments. Hopefully you guys are doing the same. Just by providing his IP Address (and providing a copy of your paypal payment to him), your local police departments can contact his ISP and will be able to obtain information that you won't be able to get if you contact them. This guy will have 30 days to pay back everything he stole from all these leagues or he will be facing felony internet fraud charges. Brian if you're reading this, go look it up, its not a pretty picture for you...

Owners CAN go after scammers. Being ignorant of that fact makes these thieves think they can pull it off. It's called fraud. Doesnt matter if it's FF or something else. Money exchanged hands under an understood contractual agreement. These crooks face not just local charges, but federal fraud charges. Inter-state mail fraud. That is deeeep kimchee. These guys don't know just how much trouble they are in, but the victims must press charges.

 

[Bayhawks]

3. He has power. He lives on Long Island as I do. The condemning fact is that he removed his personal info from several places, all at the same time. You don't do that unless you intend to disappear. He disappeared. He even changed his own screen name at the site he owns! If it smells like it, looks like it, I don't think you need to taste it.

Your money is paying for his divorce lawyer...you got taken my friend...no wonder the guys getting divorced ,hes a scumbag...life lesson # 23...never trust anyone

Can't agree with this sentiment. I am in some VERY good leagues for YEARS with people I've never met face to face. I trust them. That trust has been well founded. These scammers can be tracked down and the law will go after them. There is another thread in the "find a league" forum where people talked about scammers, and how they got caught, eventually. One guy thought he walked away with thousands of dollars. He didn't. He got caught.

As I mentioned, I am trying to start a new league. To what length must I go to accomplish this? Send Voided personal and business checks to prospective owners? Is that enough? Does doing that put me at risk for scammers? I would not even know how to set up an escrow account, but that may be what it has to come down to, which would also mean less prize money to pay for the account.

I won't let a few theives keep me from my hobby any more than muggers will keep me in my house.

These jerks WILL get caught, but the victims have to go after them. For 800 bucks, I'd spend 700 of it if I had to to get the guy.

But if you continue doing things like this you will get taken sooner or later, if not in FF is some other area. BRWARE!

So, your position is to NEVER play in any on-line leagues? Locals are fun, but are they "safe"? In fact, one local which I eventually quit was the slowest FF league to send out prize money. I had to bug the guy for my money. I havent been "taken" yet, and if I ever am, I'll track the s-o-b down. I refuse to live in fear, and idiots like this won't make me do that any more than the terrorists from 9-11 kept me from flying and traveling wherever I darn well pleased. Crossing the street has risks. Going into NYC for an off Broadway show has risks. Getting into your car carries risk.

I refuse to empower crooks, theives or even murders to dictate to me how to live my life. I picked up body parts at ground zero, the Twin Towers. Still, I refuse to live in a protected bubble. I won't live life ducking at every noise or disturbance. Seems to me that some people see it differently.

Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.

Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759

WHOAH Tough guy. Getting taken for $800 of FF winnings is (in no way) comparable to 9-11. Relax.

 

[Phurfur]

3. He has power. He lives on Long Island as I do. The condemning fact is that he removed his personal info from several places, all at the same time. You don't do that unless you intend to disappear. He disappeared. He even changed his own screen name at the site he owns! If it smells like it, looks like it, I don't think you need to taste it.

Your money is paying for his divorce lawyer...you got taken my friend...no wonder the guys getting divorced ,hes a scumbag...life lesson # 23...never trust anyone

Can't agree with this sentiment. I am in some VERY good leagues for YEARS with people I've never met face to face. I trust them. That trust has been well founded. These scammers can be tracked down and the law will go after them. There is another thread in the "find a league" forum where people talked about scammers, and how they got caught, eventually. One guy thought he walked away with thousands of dollars. He didn't. He got caught.

As I mentioned, I am trying to start a new league. To what length must I go to accomplish this? Send Voided personal and business checks to prospective owners? Is that enough? Does doing that put me at risk for scammers? I would not even know how to set up an escrow account, but that may be what it has to come down to, which would also mean less prize money to pay for the account.

I won't let a few theives keep me from my hobby any more than muggers will keep me in my house.

These jerks WILL get caught, but the victims have to go after them. For 800 bucks, I'd spend 700 of it if I had to to get the guy.

But if you continue doing things like this you will get taken sooner or later, if not in FF is some other area. BRWARE!as for people getting caught, I don't think playing FF for money is legal. The law will not be on your side.

It is prosecutable. From another thread: Hey owners from Hollywood Stars IDP, keep reading this thread, as we now have several people from our league who have filed chargers with their local police departments. Hopefully you guys are doing the same. Just by providing his IP Address (and providing a copy of your paypal payment to him), your local police departments can contact his ISP and will be able to obtain information that you won't be able to get if you contact them. This guy will have 30 days to pay back everything he stole from all these leagues or he will be facing felony internet fraud charges. Brian if you're reading this, go look it up, its not a pretty picture for you...

Owners CAN go after scammers. Being ignorant of that fact makes these thieves think they can pull it off. It's called fraud. Doesnt matter if it's FF or something else. Money exchanged hands under an understood contractual agreement. These crooks face not just local charges, but federal fraud charges. Inter-state mail fraud. That is deeeep kimchee. These guys don't know just how much trouble they are in, but the victims must press charges.

Yup, I looked it up and removed it from my post.

 

[Rovers]

3. He has power. He lives on Long Island as I do. The condemning fact is that he removed his personal info from several places, all at the same time. You don't do that unless you intend to disappear. He disappeared. He even changed his own screen name at the site he owns! If it smells like it, looks like it, I don't think you need to taste it.

Your money is paying for his divorce lawyer...you got taken my friend...no wonder the guys getting divorced ,hes a scumbag...life lesson # 23...never trust anyone

Can't agree with this sentiment. I am in some VERY good leagues for YEARS with people I've never met face to face. I trust them. That trust has been well founded. These scammers can be tracked down and the law will go after them. There is another thread in the "find a league" forum where people talked about scammers, and how they got caught, eventually. One guy thought he walked away with thousands of dollars. He didn't. He got caught.

As I mentioned, I am trying to start a new league. To what length must I go to accomplish this? Send Voided personal and business checks to prospective owners? Is that enough? Does doing that put me at risk for scammers? I would not even know how to set up an escrow account, but that may be what it has to come down to, which would also mean less prize money to pay for the account.

I won't let a few theives keep me from my hobby any more than muggers will keep me in my house.

These jerks WILL get caught, but the victims have to go after them. For 800 bucks, I'd spend 700 of it if I had to to get the guy.

But if you continue doing things like this you will get taken sooner or later, if not in FF is some other area. BRWARE!

So, your position is to NEVER play in any on-line leagues? Locals are fun, but are they "safe"? In fact, one local which I eventually quit was the slowest FF league to send out prize money. I had to bug the guy for my money. I havent been "taken" yet, and if I ever am, I'll track the s-o-b down. I refuse to live in fear, and idiots like this won't make me do that any more than the terrorists from 9-11 kept me from flying and traveling wherever I darn well pleased. Crossing the street has risks. Going into NYC for an off Broadway show has risks. Getting into your car carries risk.

I refuse to empower crooks, theives or even murders to dictate to me how to live my life. I picked up body parts at ground zero, the Twin Towers. Still, I refuse to live in a protected bubble. I won't live life ducking at every noise or disturbance. Seems to me that some people see it differently.

Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.

Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759

WHOAH Tough guy. Getting taken for $800 of FF winnings is (in no way) comparable to 9-11. Relax.

Tough guy? What a stupid thing to say. I never made any such comparison. I was making a point. I have friends here in NY who changed their life styles based on what happened on 9-11. Refusing to go to sporting events, cancelling vacations, etc. I did not. That would just empower the people who want JUST that result! Now some folks seem to allow other crooks to be empowered to change how they live their lives, in this case, a hobby called FF. My point was not to compare the two things at all, it was to say that allowing ANYONE to change how a person lives their life is not acceptable, on any level. Got it?

 

[top dog]

There are a couple guys that would be willing to go get the money for you.. Blue Onion was one of them.

 

[Phurfur]

3. He has power. He lives on Long Island as I do. The condemning fact is that he removed his personal info from several places, all at the same time. You don't do that unless you intend to disappear. He disappeared. He even changed his own screen name at the site he owns! If it smells like it, looks like it, I don't think you need to taste it.

Your money is paying for his divorce lawyer...you got taken my friend...no wonder the guys getting divorced ,hes a scumbag...life lesson # 23...never trust anyone

Can't agree with this sentiment. I am in some VERY good leagues for YEARS with people I've never met face to face. I trust them. That trust has been well founded. These scammers can be tracked down and the law will go after them. There is another thread in the "find a league" forum where people talked about scammers, and how they got caught, eventually. One guy thought he walked away with thousands of dollars. He didn't. He got caught.

As I mentioned, I am trying to start a new league. To what length must I go to accomplish this? Send Voided personal and business checks to prospective owners? Is that enough? Does doing that put me at risk for scammers? I would not even know how to set up an escrow account, but that may be what it has to come down to, which would also mean less prize money to pay for the account.

I won't let a few theives keep me from my hobby any more than muggers will keep me in my house.

These jerks WILL get caught, but the victims have to go after them. For 800 bucks, I'd spend 700 of it if I had to to get the guy.

But if you continue doing things like this you will get taken sooner or later, if not in FF is some other area. BRWARE!

So, your position is to NEVER play in any on-line leagues? Locals are fun, but are they "safe"? In fact, one local which I eventually quit was the slowest FF league to send out prize money. I had to bug the guy for my money. I havent been "taken" yet, and if I ever am, I'll track the s-o-b down. I refuse to live in fear, and idiots like this won't make me do that any more than the terrorists from 9-11 kept me from flying and traveling wherever I darn well pleased. Crossing the street has risks. Going into NYC for an off Broadway show has risks. Getting into your car carries risk.

I refuse to empower crooks, theives or even murders to dictate to me how to live my life. I picked up body parts at ground zero, the Twin Towers. Still, I refuse to live in a protected bubble. I won't live life ducking at every noise or disturbance. Seems to me that some people see it differently.

Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.

Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759

Wow you really are having a bad Xmas season aren't you? This rant has nothing to do with giving money to people you don't know. Anyone who does not conduct their life with a degree of care is a fool. I play FF on line but I play with commissioners I know. I can go to their house at anytime and ask for my money if I don't get it. I know who and where they are!All I am saying is if you give money to someone you don't know don't be surprised if you never see them again. This is just common sense. I know there are allot of people in Nigeria that would like to get in touch with you.

 

[Phurfur]

3. He has power. He lives on Long Island as I do. The condemning fact is that he removed his personal info from several places, all at the same time. You don't do that unless you intend to disappear. He disappeared. He even changed his own screen name at the site he owns! If it smells like it, looks like it, I don't think you need to taste it.

Your money is paying for his divorce lawyer...you got taken my friend...no wonder the guys getting divorced ,hes a scumbag...life lesson # 23...never trust anyone

Can't agree with this sentiment. I am in some VERY good leagues for YEARS with people I've never met face to face. I trust them. That trust has been well founded. These scammers can be tracked down and the law will go after them. There is another thread in the "find a league" forum where people talked about scammers, and how they got caught, eventually. One guy thought he walked away with thousands of dollars. He didn't. He got caught.

As I mentioned, I am trying to start a new league. To what length must I go to accomplish this? Send Voided personal and business checks to prospective owners? Is that enough? Does doing that put me at risk for scammers? I would not even know how to set up an escrow account, but that may be what it has to come down to, which would also mean less prize money to pay for the account.

I won't let a few theives keep me from my hobby any more than muggers will keep me in my house.

These jerks WILL get caught, but the victims have to go after them. For 800 bucks, I'd spend 700 of it if I had to to get the guy.

But if you continue doing things like this you will get taken sooner or later, if not in FF is some other area. BRWARE!

So, your position is to NEVER play in any on-line leagues? Locals are fun, but are they "safe"? In fact, one local which I eventually quit was the slowest FF league to send out prize money. I had to bug the guy for my money. I havent been "taken" yet, and if I ever am, I'll track the s-o-b down. I refuse to live in fear, and idiots like this won't make me do that any more than the terrorists from 9-11 kept me from flying and traveling wherever I darn well pleased. Crossing the street has risks. Going into NYC for an off Broadway show has risks. Getting into your car carries risk.

I refuse to empower crooks, theives or even murders to dictate to me how to live my life. I picked up body parts at ground zero, the Twin Towers. Still, I refuse to live in a protected bubble. I won't live life ducking at every noise or disturbance. Seems to me that some people see it differently.

Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.

Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759

WHOAH Tough guy. Getting taken for $800 of FF winnings is (in no way) comparable to 9-11. Relax.

Tough guy? What a stupid thing to say. I never made any such comparison. I was making a point. I have friends here in NY who changed their life styles based on what happened on 9-11. Refusing to go to sporting events, cancelling vacations, etc. I did not. That would just empower the people who want JUST that result! Now some folks seem to allow other crooks to be empowered to change how they live their lives, in this case, a hobby called FF. My point was not to compare the two things at all, it was to say that allowing ANYONE to change how a person lives their life is not acceptable, on any level. Got it?

I am starting a 12 team league next year, $1000 a team. I want you to be my first owner, let me know if you want in.

 

[Ksquared]

This really gets under my skin, not just for anyone who lost $, but I'm trying to start a new redraft IDP League, and these scammers are making it much more difficult. Now, I have to go to extremes, like perhaps even sending voided personal and business checks to potential owners I am trying to recruit, along with a biz card and other proof of my business ownership, home address (which I would give anyway, as I insist on snail mail and checks for a paper trail) listed home phone land line number, etc.

LOL... BTW, if you are interested, look here... http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...howtopic=449697

PS: Maybe the only safe way to do on-line leagues is... can't believe I am about to say this... set up an escrow account? Has it come to that?

Has anyone used the leaguesafe.com function on MFL. I think they just started using this as an available option and may be the only way to limit these kind of possible financial issues with the online leagues, especially high stake ones.

 

[RudeDog]

League fees were invested in an attempt to make a little extra scratch. The stock market crash of 2008 stole your money.

 

[super sleeper]

Seems when money is involved, many people here have very strong, emotional initial reactions without really thinking through what is going on. In another thread, all sorts of statements were made about the evil intentions of an owner who for whatever reasons neglected to pay his entry fee, and how he should be dealt with harshly. Yet today, everyone jumped on the OP to cut some slack with a commissioner, despite all evidence that his intentions were bad.

Not sure if this means the majority of posters on these issues are commissioners, but I am sure that in both cases, the majority were wrong.

 

[massraider]

League fees were invested in an attempt to make a little extra scratch. The stock market crash of 2008 stole your money.

That's what I think happened as well.Bad stock moves, plus a divorce, maybe his adjustable rate mortgage adjusted around Halloween.What was the entry fee? Hundred bucks? Move on.

 

[Rovers]

3. He has power. He lives on Long Island as I do. The condemning fact is that he removed his personal info from several places, all at the same time. You don't do that unless you intend to disappear. He disappeared. He even changed his own screen name at the site he owns! If it smells like it, looks like it, I don't think you need to taste it.

Your money is paying for his divorce lawyer...you got taken my friend...no wonder the guys getting divorced ,hes a scumbag...life lesson # 23...never trust anyone

Can't agree with this sentiment. I am in some VERY good leagues for YEARS with people I've never met face to face. I trust them. That trust has been well founded. These scammers can be tracked down and the law will go after them. There is another thread in the "find a league" forum where people talked about scammers, and how they got caught, eventually. One guy thought he walked away with thousands of dollars. He didn't. He got caught.

As I mentioned, I am trying to start a new league. To what length must I go to accomplish this? Send Voided personal and business checks to prospective owners? Is that enough? Does doing that put me at risk for scammers? I would not even know how to set up an escrow account, but that may be what it has to come down to, which would also mean less prize money to pay for the account.

I won't let a few theives keep me from my hobby any more than muggers will keep me in my house.

These jerks WILL get caught, but the victims have to go after them. For 800 bucks, I'd spend 700 of it if I had to to get the guy.

But if you continue doing things like this you will get taken sooner or later, if not in FF is some other area. BRWARE!

So, your position is to NEVER play in any on-line leagues? Locals are fun, but are they "safe"? In fact, one local which I eventually quit was the slowest FF league to send out prize money. I had to bug the guy for my money. I havent been "taken" yet, and if I ever am, I'll track the s-o-b down. I refuse to live in fear, and idiots like this won't make me do that any more than the terrorists from 9-11 kept me from flying and traveling wherever I darn well pleased. Crossing the street has risks. Going into NYC for an off Broadway show has risks. Getting into your car carries risk.

I refuse to empower crooks, theives or even murders to dictate to me how to live my life. I picked up body parts at ground zero, the Twin Towers. Still, I refuse to live in a protected bubble. I won't live life ducking at every noise or disturbance. Seems to me that some people see it differently.

Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.

Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759

Wow you really are having a bad Xmas season aren't you? This rant has nothing to do with giving money to people you don't know. Anyone who does not conduct their life with a degree of care is a fool. I play FF on line but I play with commissioners I know. I can go to their house at anytime and ask for my money if I don't get it. I know who and where they are!All I am saying is if you give money to someone you don't know don't be surprised if you never see them again. This is just common sense. I know there are allot of people in Nigeria that would like to get in touch with you.

No, I'm having a fine CHRISTmas season, thanks for your concern. Funny how these sort of discussions always tend to veer off the topic towards personal off topic comments. As for your insinuation that I am a fool... yeah, merry Christams to you too. Of course I don't go slapping $1000 checks on strangers. That was a foolish comment. I would not play in any $1000 league. You trust people because you know them? LOL... I've seen business partners that were life-long friends try to rip each other off when things went bad. The higher the stakes, the more the tempatation I suppose.

I can live with risking 50 bucks for my dues in a league where I know the people involved and their on-line track record. $1000 leagues? No thank you. I don't care if the commish is my next door neighbor. I play FF for fun more than profit, but prize money is nice too. Tell me, do you bring a posse or a gun when you go to collect your winnings? Then you contradict yourself by saying you also play in on line leagues. Sounds to me like you just want to argue. Kind of pointless to tell me I'm a fool for being in on-line leagues when you are too, doesn't it? Make up your mind, which side of the fence are you on?

You play in on-line leagues, yet tell me I'm a fool for playing in on-line leagues? Hard to argue with that logic.

 

[bcr8f]

 

[Rovers]

This really gets under my skin, not just for anyone who lost $, but I'm trying to start a new redraft IDP League, and these scammers are making it much more difficult. Now, I have to go to extremes, like perhaps even sending voided personal and business checks to potential owners I am trying to recruit, along with a biz card and other proof of my business ownership, home address (which I would give anyway, as I insist on snail mail and checks for a paper trail) listed home phone land line number, etc.

LOL... BTW, if you are interested, look here... http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...howtopic=449697

PS: Maybe the only safe way to do on-line leagues is... can't believe I am about to say this... set up an escrow account? Has it come to that?

Has anyone used the leaguesafe.com function on MFL. I think they just started using this as an available option and may be the only way to limit these kind of possible financial issues with the online leagues, especially high stake ones.

Got any more info on this? I'll never be in any high stakes leagues, but if on-line FF is to grow, I think the FF dependent companies like MFL, FBG and a ton of others would have a vested interest in safe league play. I'm sure it is complicated... as anything involving $ across state lines in any way shape or form has to be regulated heavilly, speaking from a point of reference that I don't even have...And maybe we can get this topic off of the tangent it has gone off on...

 

[Ksquared]

Under the commish options on MFL, I noticed this leaguesafe option for keep track of league finances. After reading just a little on it, they will collect all preseason dues, money is stored in an FDIC bank during the season, and then pays out the winners. It appears to handle echeck or credit cards and at this time is free for certain type of setups. You can look them up at League Safe

 

[massraider]

Under the commish options on MFL, I noticed this leaguesafe option for keep track of league finances. After reading just a little on it, they will collect all preseason dues, money is stored in an FDIC bank during the season, and then pays out the winners. It appears to handle echeck or credit cards and at this time is free for certain type of setups. You can look them up at League Safe

Very cool.

 

[Mr. Know-It-All]

I can find this guy for you. Just forward me $25 per league member. When I recieve the cash I will send you my e-mail contact info.

 

[MNTom]

Under the commish options on MFL, I noticed this leaguesafe option for keep track of league finances. After reading just a little on it, they will collect all preseason dues, money is stored in an FDIC bank during the season, and then pays out the winners. It appears to handle echeck or credit cards and at this time is free for certain type of setups. You can look them up at League Safe

Very cool.

I believe Leaguesafe has Paul Charchian as one of the owners. He was one of the original founders of Fanball.com. They advertise on KFAN out of Minneapolis all the time.

 

[fsufan]

I can find this guy for you. Just forward me $25 per league member. When I recieve the cash I will send you my e-mail contact info.

I will do it for $12.50on the serious side for those of you that say "why did you give your $ to a stranger you meet on the net"I run 2 Internet leagues(never have meet 90% of the owners) and I always paid out, sent checks out this past Monday, never cheated anyone in 11 years. There are good commissioners out there. ravfan is another good commissioner that comes to this MB.

 

[biggamer3]

So OP did you get his phone number?

If so do a reverse lookup and meet me, Tony and Paully by his house.

 

[Pnishthm]

OK this is my take... the guy didn't intend to scam anyone. He probably ended up needing some extra money and figured he'd use the fantasy football cash then pay it back in time for the payouts. Then this divorfe crap came up and he wasn't in any shape to come up with the money to pay if back. He doesn't have the balls to tell everyone so his way out was to just bolt.

 

[Kiddnets]

I'll find him for $10....but I'll catch him and kill him for $20. $20 - gets you the head...the tail....."

On a side note - be careful - if there is actually a scam then this thread will get buried in another forum....

 

[Uruk-Hai]

Under the commish options on MFL, I noticed this leaguesafe option for keep track of league finances. After reading just a little on it, they will collect all preseason dues, money is stored in an FDIC bank during the season, and then pays out the winners. It appears to handle echeck or credit cards and at this time is free for certain type of setups. You can look them up at League Safe

Very cool.

Was just coming here to post this. It's a shame, but I think if I was going to get into a league for more than some minimal amount of money with people I didn't know I'd want to do it through a site similar to this. There's really no reason not tf course, that doesn't help the OP. The fact that the guy hasn't logged in in several days is cause for some worry, but by itself could be explained away by whatever personal stuff he's going through. But the fact that he took down his cell # recently without explanation is scary. I hope it's not true, but it sure looks like the OP is SOL.

 

[Birdie048]

I realize this may have already been covered, in our rules/By Laws, we specify payment will occur after New Year's. Too much is going on in our lives to dwell on games and fantasy to let it interfere with living!

 

[LBH]

I havent seen him post on JetNation in a while. I would PM Max at that site and see if he knows anything. HTH

 

[Bob Magaw]

Just by providing his IP Address (and providing a copy of your paypal payment to him), your local police departments can contact his ISP and will be able to obtain information that you won't be able to get if you contact them. This guy will have 30 days to pay back everything he stole from all these leagues or he will be facing felony internet fraud charges.

i liked this part...it sounds like he has been unresponsive thus far... see if this gets his attention...

 

[Mr. Know-It-All]

Just by providing his IP Address (and providing a copy of your paypal payment to him), your local police departments can contact his ISP and will be able to obtain information that you won't be able to get if you contact them. This guy will have 30 days to pay back everything he stole from all these leagues or he will be facing felony internet fraud charges.

i liked this part...it sounds like he has been unresponsive thus far... see if this gets his attention...

The best part is, if you are in a state that doesn't allow gambling, you can then turn over everything to the state. Can a guy really steal something that is illegal anyway? Sounds like a Cops episode gone bad.

 

[Riffraff]

Yup. File a complaint with the local PD.

Give them his cell number if you wrote it down.

The PD can make FBG and the Jets messageboard providers present them with the IP address(es) he used, which lead directly to an ISP. The ISP will give up the bank, home address, and some other personal information of the person who's account was used. The ISP can even tell them the MAC address of the network card / motherboard that was used inside the person's home / work / laptop computer(s).

The guy better have emptied the bank accounts before they get frozen and left the country. Pretty easy to find him using computer technology forensics. Even a 5 figure payday isn't worth the hassle to change so much in their lives.

 

[habsfan]

Have you tried Google's cached pages or internet archives to see if you can retrieve any of the removed "personal info"?

 

[Kevrunner]

Commish has made contact and I am satisifed with his email. Here is a part of his email:

"Please bare with me here. You & the other winners will get every penny I owe you guys. I have no intentions of ripping you off or screwing anyone. I have simply been put in a terrible position here and need a little time to pay you and the other winners. YOU WILL GET PAID. I am NOT a deadbeat ot someone looking to scam you. I still as of now don't know who won what in my leagues."

He also wanted all owners in his leagues to be patient and he will be in contact as soon as possible.

Kevin

 

[Pnishthm]

OK this is my take... the guy didn't intend to scam anyone. He probably ended up needing some extra money and figured he'd use the fantasy football cash then pay it back in time for the payouts. Then this divorfe crap came up and he wasn't in any shape to come up with the money to pay if back. He doesn't have the balls to tell everyone so his way out was to just bolt.

 

[JuSt CuZ]

I just want to say how disgusting I think some of you posters are for even considering getting cops involved a couple days after the season ended and during the holidays, what I consider you....LOSERS.... who need to understand the concept of life and what is important. The guy made contact just 4 days after the league ended and this has 88 posts, I do a radio show and in my show prep I got this fun fact....... 67% of americans admit they dont have common sense, the sad thing is I think the 67% posted on this topic. you can all get on me and to be honest my life is not gonna suck because you nerds wanna bash me for just sayin what some have not had the balls to say. grow up and this topic is rediculous not to mention he started this topic just one day after his league ended, you are disgusting as a human and your fantasy gods are always watching! And I won 3 titles this year and have recieved no money yet nor will the commishes even pick up the phone (chances are they are bitter I dominated their lives this season), good thing I have on contact in the FBI, I might need to radio for backup!

 

[Marked]

I hope your right Kevrunner.

There is BRSMITH mentioned in "Looking for Leagues" forum from Aug 08, is this the same guy? If it is, it appears he has a track record.

Apparently Ripley has some history with him.

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...howtopic=412957

 

[Ripleys]

Commish has made contact and I am satisifed with his email. Here is a part of his email:"Please bare with me here. You & the other winners will get every penny I owe you guys. I have no intentions of ripping you off or screwing anyone. I have simply been put in a terrible position here and need a little time to pay you and the other winners. YOU WILL GET PAID. I am NOT a deadbeat ot someone looking to scam you. I still as of now don't know who won what in my leagues."He also wanted all owners in his leagues to be patient and he will be in contact as soon as possible. Kevin

I don't mean to make you nervous, but this was almost EXACTLY what a jerk who called himself "Brian Smith" said to us. I mean, that was almost his EXACT words. I hope you get your money, but I wouldn't count on it.

 

[Kevrunner]

Commish has made contact and I am satisifed with his email. Here is a part of his email:"Please bare with me here. You & the other winners will get every penny I owe you guys. I have no intentions of ripping you off or screwing anyone. I have simply been put in a terrible position here and need a little time to pay you and the other winners. YOU WILL GET PAID. I am NOT a deadbeat ot someone looking to scam you. I still as of now don't know who won what in my leagues."He also wanted all owners in his leagues to be patient and he will be in contact as soon as possible. Kevin

I don't mean to make you nervous, but this was almost EXACTLY what a jerk who called himself "Brian Smith" said to us. I mean, that was almost his EXACT words. I hope you get your money, but I wouldn't count on it.

I only released a small part of his email, the rest went into some pretty personal info that I would be uncomfortable posting on this site, but I did send copies to all owners in our dynasty league which he asked me to do. I would bet my house that these are not the same 2 people or if they are anyway connected, but I have lost sure bets before, lol.

 

[CBower4545]

It looks like your pretty well set, but just for the record.

I played in the first year of 4th & Goal Dynasty Smizzy runs. As far as I know everyone got paid. One thing I know about Smizzy is he put alot of work into that league. If you look at that league now you can tell he takes it seriously. He did good job the one year I was with him. He seems to enjoy it. I don't think he is a scammer. I just wanted to put out that Smizzy dealt straight with me. I understand your worry, but I think your going to be ok. Congrats, on the Championship BTW.

Also it would be good to bump this when you get paid. Just for the record.