Commish that hasn't sent winnings (1 Viewer)

[gianmarco]

I've searched through and found a few tidbits here and there on this, but nothing definitive. In one thread, I read how failure to pay winnings would constitute mail fraud and is a felony charge.

As of yet, I haven't received winnings in a particular league, the commish hasn't visited the site in 2 months, and he hasn't responded to last 2 emails over the last 2 weeks. So, I'm looking for the next course of action and what would be my next contact with him. I wanted to make sure what I write to him is accurate.

Also hoping this is something that can be used for future owners who run into the same issue as I know I'm not the first and won't be the last.

 

[Chachi]

Is his last name Holt?

 

[PatsWillWin]

How much does he owe you?

 

[G-Money]

There's a guy named Guido who works down on the docks who is great at handling matters such as this. I usually get my money (plus the juice) in no time.

 

[gianmarco]

There's a guy named Guido who works down on the docks who is great at handling matters such as this. I usually get my money (plus the juice) in no time.

Helpful, thx.As to how much he owes me, it's not how much he owes me that is the issue. The issue is that I won't tolerate a commish stealing the league fees and not paying anyone. Doesn't matter if it was $100, $1000, or $10000. Outright theft such as this is disgusting and I plan on pursuing this until it gets resolved. I like to joke around a lot on here too, but this thread has had 3 posts so far that haven't contributed anything and it's going downhill fast. Would appreciate helpful input.

 

[perry147]

The best option would be to get the othe leagues mates involved and get a beat down coming his way. Do you know his address?

 

[gianmarco]

The best option would be to get the othe leagues mates involved and get a beat down coming his way. Do you know his address?

Yeah, he's in Korea in the armed forces. Transferred there mid season. However, it's still an armed forces address. I won't be driving over there anytime soon.

 

[Carver]

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[Chachi]

Is it legal to gamble in your state?

I guess you could file charges over a few bucks and admit you are illegally gambling, hence you're screwed.

 

[PatsWillWin]

There's a guy named Guido who works down on the docks who is great at handling matters such as this. I usually get my money (plus the juice) in no time.

Helpful, thx.As to how much he owes me, it's not how much he owes me that is the issue. The issue is that I won't tolerate a commish stealing the league fees and not paying anyone. Doesn't matter if it was $100, $1000, or $10000. Outright theft such as this is disgusting and I plan on pursuing this until it gets resolved. I like to joke around a lot on here too, but this thread has had 3 posts so far that haven't contributed anything and it's going downhill fast. Would appreciate helpful input.

It matters if you're seeking legal recourse.

 

[Sweet Love]

The best option would be to get the othe leagues mates involved and get a beat down coming his way. Do you know his address?

Yeah, he's in Korea in the armed forces. Transferred there mid season. However, it's still an armed forces address. I won't be driving over there anytime soon.

You are SOL...are you going to go after him in court for his not paying your gambling winning? Someone mentioned getting fellow leaguemates after him and I think that is a start. Do you know this commish personally or did you meet him via the innernet?

 

[Winning IS Everything]

The best option would be to get the othe leagues mates involved and get a beat down coming his way. Do you know his address?

Yeah, he's in Korea in the armed forces. Transferred there mid season. However, it's still an armed forces address. I won't be driving over there anytime soon.

This post makes things a little tougher IMHO. If it were some schmo down the street I would say a beatdown is certainly warranted. The fact he transferred overseas in the military creates a different possible picture. Is he in/near any combat? It is possible he may not have had any time/access to the 'net lately, or when he does he may feel more obliged to contact loved ones than deal with his FF buddies.If he is just a pencil pusher or desk jockey there that is a different story altogether. I would still cut a little slack and maybe have all league mates write him in a non threatening manner.Edit to add: This day in age, where the military is deployed/fighting all over...... If I see a league where a military person is commish, I am staying 100 miles away from that league, as they could have limited/no access to the net for months at a time. Sorry, just being honest.........

 

[gianmarco]

The best option would be to get the othe leagues mates involved and get a beat down coming his way. Do you know his address?

Yeah, he's in Korea in the armed forces. Transferred there mid season. However, it's still an armed forces address. I won't be driving over there anytime soon.

This post makes things a little tougher IMHO. If it were some schmo down the street I would say a beatdown is certainly warranted. The fact he transferred overseas in the military creates a different possible picture. Is he in/near any combat? It is possible he may not have had any time/access to the 'net lately, or when he does he may feel more obliged to contact loved ones than deal with his FF buddies.If he is just a pencil pusher or desk jockey there that is a different story altogether. I would still cut a little slack and maybe have all league mates write him in a non threatening manner.

He has a history of being a slacker of a commish and not being around (even when he was over here). The league is close to being finished I'm assuming. No, I don't believe he's in any combat unless we're at war with Korea. He emailed the league in January saying he didn't have too much time over holidays but that payment would be out by 1/15. Nothing since that email. That's why I didn't even bother to address this until a couple of weeks ago as I was trying to cut him plenty of slack.

 

[gianmarco]

There's a guy named Guido who works down on the docks who is great at handling matters such as this. I usually get my money (plus the juice) in no time.

Helpful, thx.As to how much he owes me, it's not how much he owes me that is the issue. The issue is that I won't tolerate a commish stealing the league fees and not paying anyone. Doesn't matter if it was $100, $1000, or $10000. Outright theft such as this is disgusting and I plan on pursuing this until it gets resolved. I like to joke around a lot on here too, but this thread has had 3 posts so far that haven't contributed anything and it's going downhill fast. Would appreciate helpful input.

It matters if you're seeking legal recourse.

Gotcha. He has $600 in league fees that he hasn't paid out as winnings.

 

[jwb]

There's a guy named Guido who works down on the docks who is great at handling matters such as this. I usually get my money (plus the juice) in no time.

Helpful, thx.As to how much he owes me, it's not how much he owes me that is the issue. The issue is that I won't tolerate a commish stealing the league fees and not paying anyone. Doesn't matter if it was $100, $1000, or $10000. Outright theft such as this is disgusting and I plan on pursuing this until it gets resolved.

I like to joke around a lot on here too, but this thread has had 3 posts so far that haven't contributed anything and it's going downhill fast. Would appreciate helpful input.

The amount will likely matter in terms of law. and what can happen. Plus, there's the whole gambling thing - it's a grey area.In addition, just some friendly advice G: there's a point where people need to let stuff go. I know it's the principle, etc etc, but is coming out on top really that important that you would spend a decent amount of time (time you are likely angry over this) going after this person? Some people (like this commish) are just jerks - accept it and move on. They usually get theirs in the end, anyway. Jerks have an amazing capacity to ruin their lives.

 

[gianmarco]

Is it legal to gamble in your state?

I guess you could file charges over a few bucks and admit you are illegally gambling, hence you're screwed.

As far as I know so far, fantasy football is NOT considered gambling. If I'm wrong about this, let me know. Again, I read in another thread that this activity (collecting league fees and not paying out winnings) is considered mail fraud. Thread here re: mail fraud

 

[heidbrink]

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[Winning IS Everything]

The best option would be to get the othe leagues mates involved and get a beat down coming his way. Do you know his address?

Yeah, he's in Korea in the armed forces. Transferred there mid season. However, it's still an armed forces address. I won't be driving over there anytime soon.

This post makes things a little tougher IMHO. If it were some schmo down the street I would say a beatdown is certainly warranted. The fact he transferred overseas in the military creates a different possible picture. Is he in/near any combat? It is possible he may not have had any time/access to the 'net lately, or when he does he may feel more obliged to contact loved ones than deal with his FF buddies.If he is just a pencil pusher or desk jockey there that is a different story altogether. I would still cut a little slack and maybe have all league mates write him in a non threatening manner.

He has a history of being a slacker of a commish and not being around (even when he was over here). The league is close to being finished I'm assuming. No, I don't believe he's in any combat unless we're at war with Korea. He emailed the league in January saying he didn't have too much time over holidays but that payment would be out by 1/15. Nothing since that email. That's why I didn't even bother to address this until a couple of weeks ago as I was trying to cut him plenty of slack.

Ah, gotcha. Maybe you guys do need to push the envelope a bit then.

 

[gianmarco]

There's a guy named Guido who works down on the docks who is great at handling matters such as this. I usually get my money (plus the juice) in no time.

Helpful, thx.As to how much he owes me, it's not how much he owes me that is the issue. The issue is that I won't tolerate a commish stealing the league fees and not paying anyone. Doesn't matter if it was $100, $1000, or $10000. Outright theft such as this is disgusting and I plan on pursuing this until it gets resolved.

I like to joke around a lot on here too, but this thread has had 3 posts so far that haven't contributed anything and it's going downhill fast. Would appreciate helpful input.

The amount will likely matter in terms of law. and what can happen. Plus, there's the whole gambling thing - it's a grey area.In addition, just some friendly advice G: there's a point where people need to let stuff go. I know it's the principle, etc etc, but is coming out on top really that important that you would spend a decent amount of time (time you are likely angry over this) going after this person? Some people (like this commish) are just jerks - accept it and move on. They usually get theirs in the end, anyway. Jerks have an amazing capacity to ruin their lives.

It's this kind of thinking that allows people to do this in the first place. The thinking that they can do this since they are far away bothers me. I normally do let stuff go, esp. in regards to money. This time, I'm going to do something about it (if I can).

 

[FUBAR]

The best option would be to get the othe leagues mates involved and get a beat down coming his way. Do you know his address?

Yeah, he's in Korea in the armed forces. Transferred there mid season. However, it's still an armed forces address. I won't be driving over there anytime soon.

This post makes things a little tougher IMHO. If it were some schmo down the street I would say a beatdown is certainly warranted. The fact he transferred overseas in the military creates a different possible picture. Is he in/near any combat? It is possible he may not have had any time/access to the 'net lately, or when he does he may feel more obliged to contact loved ones than deal with his FF buddies.If he is just a pencil pusher or desk jockey there that is a different story altogether. I would still cut a little slack and maybe have all league mates write him in a non threatening manner.

He has a history of being a slacker of a commish and not being around (even when he was over here). The league is close to being finished I'm assuming. No, I don't believe he's in any combat unless we're at war with Korea. He emailed the league in January saying he didn't have too much time over holidays but that payment would be out by 1/15. Nothing since that email. That's why I didn't even bother to address this until a couple of weeks ago as I was trying to cut him plenty of slack.

Have you read the news lately? They're launching missiles at Alaska and Hawaii. He's probably just a dude who ran into money and time issues. Maybe he invested the league fees in an index fund and was hoping Obama would stimulate the value so he could pay. I understand you're pissed, but aside from letters there just isn't much to do. With internet leagues and commishes you don't know, you pretty much have to assume you're going to lose the money and if they actually pay, great. Which is the primary reason I don't play in large stake 'net leagues.ETA: mail fraud is a possibility, is it worth it to you to pursue it? Probably, just realize it takes time and energy.

 

[identikit]

One option that might get the Commish's attention is to send a letter via certified mail (this is assuming you have an address for him). This will require him to sign for it (you can ask for a return receipt as well).

This is often used to escalate things a bit in the legal direction on unpaid debts.

PS I did check on www.usps.com and you can do certified letters to APO addresses.

HTH

 

[FUBAR]

Is it legal to gamble in your state?

I guess you could file charges over a few bucks and admit you are illegally gambling, hence you're screwed.

As far as I know so far, fantasy football is NOT considered gambling. If I'm wrong about this, let me know. Again, I read in another thread that this activity (collecting league fees and not paying out winnings) is considered mail fraud. Thread here re: mail fraud

Right. You pay money into a pool and the winnings are based on something basically out of your control. Can't be gambling.

 

[FUBAR]

One option that might get the Commish's attention is to send a letter via certified mail (this is assuming you have an address for him). This will require him to sign for it (you can ask for a return receipt as well).This is often used to escalate things a bit in the legal direction on unpaid debts.PS I did check on www.usps.com and you can do certified letters to APO addresses.HTH

not a bad idea. If nothing else, it shows him you mean business.

 

[jwb]

There's a guy named Guido who works down on the docks who is great at handling matters such as this. I usually get my money (plus the juice) in no time.

Helpful, thx.As to how much he owes me, it's not how much he owes me that is the issue. The issue is that I won't tolerate a commish stealing the league fees and not paying anyone. Doesn't matter if it was $100, $1000, or $10000. Outright theft such as this is disgusting and I plan on pursuing this until it gets resolved.

I like to joke around a lot on here too, but this thread has had 3 posts so far that haven't contributed anything and it's going downhill fast. Would appreciate helpful input.

The amount will likely matter in terms of law. and what can happen. Plus, there's the whole gambling thing - it's a grey area.In addition, just some friendly advice G: there's a point where people need to let stuff go. I know it's the principle, etc etc, but is coming out on top really that important that you would spend a decent amount of time (time you are likely angry over this) going after this person? Some people (like this commish) are just jerks - accept it and move on. They usually get theirs in the end, anyway. Jerks have an amazing capacity to ruin their lives.

It's this kind of thinking that allows people to do this in the first place. The thinking that they can do this since they are far away bothers me. I normally do let stuff go, esp. in regards to money. This time, I'm going to do something about it (if I can).

That's why I would let it go. It's likely not worth the stress / negativity / etc.Once in a great while, I get beat by a client... like a $200 job, he lives 2,500 miles away... Yea, I have recourse, but I have found I'm better off letting it go. The stress and the negative "he got away with it" just isn't worth it to me. I chalk it up to "that's business" and I move on. I'm MUCH happier for it. Just saying this cause I care, bud

 

[yellowdog]

One option that might get the Commish's attention is to send a letter via certified mail (this is assuming you have an address for him). This will require him to sign for it (you can ask for a return receipt as well).This is often used to escalate things a bit in the legal direction on unpaid debts.PS I did check on www.usps.com and you can do certified letters to APO addresses.HTH

 

[Avery]

Is it legal to gamble in your state?

I guess you could file charges over a few bucks and admit you are illegally gambling, hence you're screwed.

As far as I know so far, fantasy football is NOT considered gambling. If I'm wrong about this, let me know. Again, I read in another thread that this activity (collecting league fees and not paying out winnings) is considered mail fraud. Thread here re: mail fraud

Right. You pay money into a pool and the winnings are based on something basically out of your control. Can't be gambling.

In terms of the legality of fantasy football, my understanding is that if everything put into a pool is then handed back out excluding costs (meaning that the "house" does not and can not profit) then it is not gambling in terms of a legal definition. Much in the way it is legal to buy "betting squares" on a football game in a bar or to run an office pool.

 

[Kevrunner]

Didn't receive my winnings in a dynasty league, $800, run by commish who called himself "Jetnation", he goes by the handle "Smizzy" here on FBG, but something tells me he won't be renewing his subscription. I few other owners paid him for the upcoming season also, and he is nowhere to be found now. This was just in my league, he also commished 2 or 3 other leagues that I know about and he hasn't paid those winnings out either. It is a risk to hand your $$$ to a total stranger and hope that he or she will fulfill their end of the deal, but, it looks like 99% of the commissioner's are honest and trustworthly, we just need to weed out that 1% and let the FBG community aware of who these guys are. I won't join a fantasy league now unless it is either an establish one or uses leaguesafe.

 

[Rovers]

The best option would be to get the othe leagues mates involved and get a beat down coming his way. Do you know his address?

Yeah, he's in Korea in the armed forces. Transferred there mid season. However, it's still an armed forces address. I won't be driving over there anytime soon.

He is in the military? That makes it easier, not more difficult. Contact his commanding officer. He can be tracked down through contacting whatever branch he is in rather easilly. The military takes a very dim view of things like this. They likely would take it right out of his pay before having someone press mail fraud charges on him. Things like this they want to keep in house. They have their own justice system, and don't want any kind of civilian complaints made against their own.

 

[Rovers]

Didn't receive my winnings in a dynasty league, $800, run by commish who called himself "Jetnation", he goes by the handle "Smizzy" here on FBG, but something tells me he won't be renewing his subscription. I few other owners paid him for the upcoming season also, and he is nowhere to be found now. This was just in my league, he also commished 2 or 3 other leagues that I know about and he hasn't paid those winnings out either. It is a risk to hand your $$$ to a total stranger and hope that he or she will fulfill their end of the deal, but, it looks like 99% of the commissioner's are honest and trustworthly, we just need to weed out that 1% and let the FBG community aware of who these guys are. I won't join a fantasy league now unless it is either an establish one or uses leaguesafe.

He still owns that site, JetNation. Press charges, what are you waiting for? League Safe is the way to go. What if a commish dies? Horrible thought, but... good luck if something like that ever happened.

 

[identikit]

The best option would be to get the othe leagues mates involved and get a beat down coming his way. Do you know his address?

Yeah, he's in Korea in the armed forces. Transferred there mid season. However, it's still an armed forces address. I won't be driving over there anytime soon.

He is in the military? That makes it easier, not more difficult. Contact his commanding officer. He can be tracked down through contacting whatever branch he is in rather easilly. The military takes a very dim view of things like this. They likely would take it right out of his pay before having someone press mail fraud charges on him. Things like this they want to keep in house. They have their own justice system, and don't want any kind of civilian complaints made against their own.

Rovers is spot on re: this.They have a code, one that even covers FF.I'd start with a certified latter to the commish.The next one would go to his CO if there is no response.

 

[Genester]

First of all, I feel for gianmarco getting ripped off. I've commished leagues for over 10 years now, and stuff like this gives Commissioner's everywhere a bad name. Most of my owners are FBGers, so seeing this is doubly tough.

Having said this, what folks said earlier about sending money to someone you know little about is indeed true. There are certainly ways to protect yourself - in my league, I would provide references from owners, etc. But at the end of the day, you've got to be prepared for the worst case here. Its unfortunate, but it is reality.

 

[gianmarco]

First of all, I feel for gianmarco getting ripped off. I've commished leagues for over 10 years now, and stuff like this gives Commissioner's everywhere a bad name. Most of my owners are FBGers, so seeing this is doubly tough.Having said this, what folks said earlier about sending money to someone you know little about is indeed true. There are certainly ways to protect yourself - in my league, I would provide references from owners, etc. But at the end of the day, you've got to be prepared for the worst case here. Its unfortunate, but it is reality.

Just as a sidenote. I've been in this league going on 4 yrs. I paid my initial fee ($50) then and have won my division all 3 yrs. Division winners get their entry fee back and it's been applied to the future year each time. The owner who has won the league the last 2 yrs has gotten paid both years and this league has been in existence for 7 yrs now with payouts being made every year. So, this is the first time it's coming up and I think it's partly due to an increased lack of interest in the other owners. My feeling is the commish just plans on letting the league die, taking last year's fees, and moving on.

 

[Kevrunner]

Didn't receive my winnings in a dynasty league, $800, run by commish who called himself "Jetnation", he goes by the handle "Smizzy" here on FBG, but something tells me he won't be renewing his subscription. I few other owners paid him for the upcoming season also, and he is nowhere to be found now. This was just in my league, he also commished 2 or 3 other leagues that I know about and he hasn't paid those winnings out either. It is a risk to hand your $$$ to a total stranger and hope that he or she will fulfill their end of the deal, but, it looks like 99% of the commissioner's are honest and trustworthly, we just need to weed out that 1% and let the FBG community aware of who these guys are. I won't join a fantasy league now unless it is either an establish one or uses leaguesafe.

He still owns that site, JetNation. Press charges, what are you waiting for? League Safe is the way to go. What if a commish dies? Horrible thought, but... good luck if something like that ever happened.

Max, who owns the site, says that Smizzy doesn't have any ownership in it. I do keep an eye on that site incase Smizzy (Smurf is his alias there) comes back. I actually joined that site and posted a topic asking if anyone has heard from Smizzy. Smizzy is a moderator. Are you sure that Smizzy has ownership, if so, I will pursue it further. Don't mean to "hyjack" this thread, but here is a topic I started on the Jetnation Website, trying to locate our AWOL commish:http://www.jetnation.com/forums/showthread...ighlight=usps33

 

[Maroney=Speed]

I've searched through and found a few tidbits here and there on this, but nothing definitive. In one thread, I read how failure to pay winnings would constitute mail fraud and is a felony charge.As of yet, I haven't received winnings in a particular league, the commish hasn't visited the site in 2 months, and he hasn't responded to last 2 emails over the last 2 weeks. So, I'm looking for the next course of action and what would be my next contact with him. I wanted to make sure what I write to him is accurate.Also hoping this is something that can be used for future owners who run into the same issue as I know I'm not the first and won't be the last.

You have no shot at getting money from him. Just be happy your not the guy that won this League, think how he feels.Better luck. But if AFFL and other contest didn't have to pay this guy doesn't either.

 

[LionsFan78]

The best option would be to get the othe leagues mates involved and get a beat down coming his way. Do you know his address?

Yeah, he's in Korea in the armed forces. Transferred there mid season. However, it's still an armed forces address. I won't be driving over there anytime soon.

He is in the military? That makes it easier, not more difficult. Contact his commanding officer. He can be tracked down through contacting whatever branch he is in rather easilly. The military takes a very dim view of things like this. They likely would take it right out of his pay before having someone press mail fraud charges on him. Things like this they want to keep in house. They have their own justice system, and don't want any kind of civilian complaints made against their own.

Rovers is spot on re: this.They have a code, one that even covers FF.I'd start with a certified latter to the commish.The next one would go to his CO if there is no response.

You guys all brought up good points. Contacting his First Sergeant or Unit Commander is a good way to go. Lots they can do, believe it or not. 1st Shirts are brought into civil matters like this all the time. Hell, I'm willing to bet even the "threat" of doing so would be enough for some. Not sure what the 'gambling' ramifications are on this, if any, but it's at least something worth trying, and probably requires the least effort on your part. gianmarco, if he's in the Air Force, PM me, I might be able to help you get started if you want to go that route.

 

[gianmarco]

I've searched through and found a few tidbits here and there on this, but nothing definitive. In one thread, I read how failure to pay winnings would constitute mail fraud and is a felony charge.As of yet, I haven't received winnings in a particular league, the commish hasn't visited the site in 2 months, and he hasn't responded to last 2 emails over the last 2 weeks. So, I'm looking for the next course of action and what would be my next contact with him. I wanted to make sure what I write to him is accurate.Also hoping this is something that can be used for future owners who run into the same issue as I know I'm not the first and won't be the last.

You have no shot at getting money from him. Just be happy your not the guy that won this League, think how he feels.Better luck. But if AFFL and other contest didn't have to pay this guy doesn't either.

I am the guy who won the league.

 

[Couch Potato]

I'd follow Rover's advice in trying to get in touch with him. At least then you'll know you've made contact and your message has been received.

Someone else touched on a point I'd like to mention again. Commissioners sometimes die. If no one in your league has been in contact with him, and none of them know him personally, death is a possibility. I realize it's not likely, but it is possible. Before you get too worked up about things, you should try to make contact as Rovers suggested and be sure that's not the case.

 

[fatkid]

Is anyone else in the league closer friends with him? Have that guy send an email. He is more likely to quickly listen or respond to an email from a close friend.

Has he done anything else sketchy with money during the history of the league?

 

[vandyt]

Is it legal to gamble in your state?

I guess you could file charges over a few bucks and admit you are illegally gambling, hence you're screwed.

As far as I know so far, fantasy football is NOT considered gambling. If I'm wrong about this, let me know. Again, I read in another thread that this activity (collecting league fees and not paying out winnings) is considered mail fraud. Thread here re: mail fraud

Right. You pay money into a pool and the winnings are based on something basically out of your control. Can't be gambling.

In terms of the legality of fantasy football, my understanding is that if everything put into a pool is then handed back out excluding costs (meaning that the "house" does not and can not profit) then it is not gambling in terms of a legal definition. Much in the way it is legal to buy "betting squares" on a football game in a bar or to run an office pool.

This is incorrect.Fantasy football is a "game of skill" by legal definition. Its the reason companies like FFTOC and CDM can exist legally within the US, run FF games, and not pay out as winnings the sum total of fees they have collected.

 

[obxlegends]

The best option would be to get the othe leagues mates involved and get a beat down coming his way. Do you know his address?

Yeah, he's in Korea in the armed forces. Transferred there mid season. However, it's still an armed forces address. I won't be driving over there anytime soon.

You just got lucky. Call his base and advise them of the theft. The military doesn't take kindly to theirs stealing and giving the armed services a bad name.Just made sure you have as much information as you possibly can when you call.

 

[obxlegends]

The best option would be to get the othe leagues mates involved and get a beat down coming his way. Do you know his address?

Yeah, he's in Korea in the armed forces. Transferred there mid season. However, it's still an armed forces address. I won't be driving over there anytime soon.

He is in the military? That makes it easier, not more difficult. Contact his commanding officer. He can be tracked down through contacting whatever branch he is in rather easilly. The military takes a very dim view of things like this. They likely would take it right out of his pay before having someone press mail fraud charges on him. Things like this they want to keep in house. They have their own justice system, and don't want any kind of civilian complaints made against their own.

Basically what I was saying.Sorry to not have read down further. Great advice Rovers!

 

[bjabrad]

When I hear somebody say that they want to take a pound of flesh out of somebody for an unpaid debt I completely sympathize with the person that's getting screwed but there are times that the smart move is the move that insures that you don't complicate your problem and land in jail for battery. We all have more to lose than money. I've been screwed before too so I know how it is and it takes some time to get peace of mind because it isn't fair but it's also good to think about just how big this really is and how big it could get.

Long term solutions would include being patient. Maybe this guy needs help. Maybe this guy has a gambling problem. Maybe this guy has family issues or health issues that are bigger than fantasy football.

What kind of person do you want to be?

Sorry if this post seems like it's written by a woman but I just got a call from a buddy who has a gambling problem and just pissed away $200k and is broke, engaged and just took sleeping pills to off himself but was unsuccessful.

Just trying to get everyone to think about a possible bigger picture.

 

[Kevrunner]

When I hear somebody say that they want to take a pound of flesh out of somebody for an unpaid debt I completely sympathize with the person that's getting screwed but there are times that the smart move is the move that insures that you don't complicate your problem and land in jail for battery. We all have more to lose than money. I've been screwed before too so I know how it is and it takes some time to get peace of mind because it isn't fair but it's also good to think about just how big this really is and how big it could get. Long term solutions would include being patient. Maybe this guy needs help. Maybe this guy has a gambling problem. Maybe this guy has family issues or health issues that are bigger than fantasy football. What kind of person do you want to be?Sorry if this post seems like it's written by a woman but I just got a call from a buddy who has a gambling problem and just pissed away $200k and is broke, engaged and just took sleeping pills to off himself but was unsuccessful. Just trying to get everyone to think about a possible bigger picture.

Once the commish decides not to make any kind of contact with owners, he loses the right, at least for me, to be compassionate. The commish that owes me $800, the only thing he needs to do with me, is to stay in contact every once in awhile at let me know he has not forgotten me and keep me updated. That is nnot much to ask. An email only takes a couple of seconds. I do think about the big picture, but when you decide to be a commissioner, you accept the responsibilities that go along with it.

 

[FUBAR]

The best option would be to get the othe leagues mates involved and get a beat down coming his way. Do you know his address?

Yeah, he's in Korea in the armed forces. Transferred there mid season. However, it's still an armed forces address. I won't be driving over there anytime soon.

He is in the military? That makes it easier, not more difficult. Contact his commanding officer. He can be tracked down through contacting whatever branch he is in rather easilly. The military takes a very dim view of things like this. They likely would take it right out of his pay before having someone press mail fraud charges on him. Things like this they want to keep in house. They have their own justice system, and don't want any kind of civilian complaints made against their own.

Rovers is spot on re: this.They have a code, one that even covers FF.I'd start with a certified latter to the commish.The next one would go to his CO if there is no response.

You guys all brought up good points. Contacting his First Sergeant or Unit Commander is a good way to go. Lots they can do, believe it or not. 1st Shirts are brought into civil matters like this all the time. Hell, I'm willing to bet even the "threat" of doing so would be enough for some. Not sure what the 'gambling' ramifications are on this, if any, but it's at least something worth trying, and probably requires the least effort on your part. gianmarco, if he's in the Air Force, PM me, I might be able to help you get started if you want to go that route.

Good luck with that. All he has to do is deny it and say its a scam. Not sure his CO would care about some fantasy football league anyway.

LOL, you never had a first shirt come down on yer butt. I did, and it was a BS thing, a bank at my last station decided over a year later that I over drew my account when I closed it. How does one over draw an account when they close it? And then they want $$$ over a year later? I had to pay up, a debt I never even had. If you are in the military, you give up many rights that civilians have. The First Sargeant is judge and jury. He says you pay... yer gonna pay, period. One time, after an arguement with family, the first shirt said he had a complaint that I had not written for 6 weeks. He stood over me while I wrote a letter, and he mailed it. You see a diamond above some cresents... there goes a man with power. First shirts can really help a soldier, or darn near kill him. What he says goes. There are no appeals. If gianmarco can find this guy's first sargeant... he's as good as paid. Just the way it is.

You're half right. The Commander or First Sergeant will ensure all just debts are paid. They will want evidence to show that it is a just debt. GM can probably provide thatYour 1SG failed in his obligation, instead he did the expedient thing, not the legal right. 1SG is not judge and jury, but he does hold a lot of power over his Soldiers. You paid, not because of a legal obligation to, but because you didn't want to deal with the stress of proving you were right. This guy will probably do the same, so your proposed course of action makes sense - just make sure you provide all documentation. Emails, league standings, etc. Army? If so, PM me the name.

 

[Monty Burns]

What some of the above posters are referring to is called by the Army, a Letter of Indebtedness. It can be very effective. I'd suggest going the certified letter route to him threatening this Letter of Indebtedness, then, if he doesn't come thru, do one. Normally those go to his CO, who then normally gives it to the 1st Sergeant to handle. Normally, as suggested above, it is very effective. If you are close to a military base you might even call their Legal/JAG office, and get the fine points on how to do this Letter, should it come to that. GOOD LUCK....

 

[FUBAR]

What some of the above posters are referring to is called by the Army, a Letter of Indebtedness. It can be very effective. I'd suggest going the certified letter route to him threatening this Letter of Indebtedness, then, if he doesn't come thru, do one. Normally those go to his CO, who then normally gives it to the 1st Sergeant to handle. Normally, as suggested above, it is very effective. If you are close to a military base you might even call their Legal/JAG office, and get the fine points on how to do this Letter, should it come to that. GOOD LUCK....

Don't be the least bit surprised if the legal office won't talk to you unless you're a Soldier or dependent.

 

[Black]

Get the whole league to email the commish.

Contact the online provider to see if they have any forwarding information.

If noone knows anyone personally, then Google the dude and see if you can get a physical address...if he's overseas, obviously you have to go the military route like some of these posts say. I don't know anything about that.

Keep emailing the dude, if nothing by next season, be sure to try to post his handle/name, etc. to whatever forum you can and identify him as a deadbeat Commish.

Try to get into leagues where you know everyone or use one of those LeagueSafe sites next time to hold the cash for you.

 

[Captain_Apocalypse]

FYI there IS something going on with the military in Korea currently, so it IS possible he has been too busy to reply.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/10/world/as...a.html?ref=asia

 

[the branded hand]

What some of the above posters are referring to is called by the Army, a Letter of Indebtedness. It can be very effective. I'd suggest going the certified letter route to him threatening this Letter of Indebtedness, then, if he doesn't come thru, do one. Normally those go to his CO, who then normally gives it to the 1st Sergeant to handle. Normally, as suggested above, it is very effective. If you are close to a military base you might even call their Legal/JAG office, and get the fine points on how to do this Letter, should it come to that. GOOD LUCK....

This is a great approach. If your winnings exceed $1000, however, and your choose to enforce your position, I would actually send it registered mail through a notary. This files and sends your information with a guarantee as to the contents of your letter. If it comes down to a legal dispute, usually whoever has the best documentation wins. Most JAG officers are high speed low drag when it comes to paper work (promotions pending), so it's better to make them your advocate from the get go. A little leverage doesn't hurt either. What unit is he with BTW?

 

[Rovers]

Didn't receive my winnings in a dynasty league, $800, run by commish who called himself "Jetnation", he goes by the handle "Smizzy" here on FBG, but something tells me he won't be renewing his subscription. I few other owners paid him for the upcoming season also, and he is nowhere to be found now. This was just in my league, he also commished 2 or 3 other leagues that I know about and he hasn't paid those winnings out either. It is a risk to hand your $$$ to a total stranger and hope that he or she will fulfill their end of the deal, but, it looks like 99% of the commissioner's are honest and trustworthly, we just need to weed out that 1% and let the FBG community aware of who these guys are. I won't join a fantasy league now unless it is either an establish one or uses leaguesafe.

He still owns that site, JetNation. Press charges, what are you waiting for? League Safe is the way to go. What if a commish dies? Horrible thought, but... good luck if something like that ever happened.

Max, who owns the site, says that Smizzy doesn't have any ownership in it. I do keep an eye on that site incase Smizzy (Smurf is his alias there) comes back. I actually joined that site and posted a topic asking if anyone has heard from Smizzy. Smizzy is a moderator. Are you sure that Smizzy has ownership, if so, I will pursue it further. Don't mean to "hyjack" this thread, but here is a topic I started on the Jetnation Website, trying to locate our AWOL commish:http://www.jetnation.com/forums/showthread...ighlight=usps33

Smizzy "owned" the site... and Max was head admin. Sounds like Max is running interference for Smizzy to me. I used to post there regularly a few years ago. Smizzy was the owner.