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Quez
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OTC is a great site. I never knew they had that compensatory pick page. Thanks for sharing.
3rd round picks are still pretty solid, even if they are at the end of the round.
Not a bad deal for the Pats. Sign a rediculous 1 year salary for Revis, them get a 3rd from the league when he leaves.
It's not really fair though that compensation for Suh is equivalent to Julius Thomas & Byron Maxwell, but I guess that's just how the system is set up.
3rd round picks are still pretty solid, even if they are at the end of the round.
Not a bad deal for the Pats. Sign a rediculous 1 year salary for Revis, them get a 3rd from the league when he leaves.
It's not really fair though that compensation for Suh is equivalent to Julius Thomas & Byron Maxwell, but I guess that's just how the system is set up.
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bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
Do the Pats get the pick or not? They chose not to pick up an option, seems flawed to me that they would receive compensation for that
Baloney Sandwich
Footballguy
Workhorse
Footballguy
That's correct. They will get a 3rd this year for losing Talib and almost certainly a 3rd in 2016 for Revis.
I would be surprised if they get a pick. Not picking up an option is the same as cutting a player and you do not get comp picks for players you cut.
NE_REVIVAL
Footballguy
It may be similar, but from what I am reading it is not the same: https://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?/topic/703376-indefinite-new-england-patriots-thread/page-39#entry17854580
I am pretty sure Bal is very good at doing the same and I am not sure why all teams wouldn't do this whenever they can.
NE_REVIVAL
Footballguy
I asked this in the NE thread and it seems to make sense to ask it here as well.
Can anyone tell me whether or not NE would receive anything if the Jets are found to have "tampered" with Revis while he was under contract with NE? Personally I don't think what Johnson said was all that big a deal, but I am not one to look a gift horse in the mouth
I am definitely not interested in arguing the merits of whether or not it should be considered tampering, just wondering what happens it the NFL deems that it was.
I have heard conflicting reports on what happens with tampering charges, one report indicated that even if the Jets lose a draft pick it doesn't go to NE, others seem to indicate that it would.
Anyone know for sure?
TIA
Can anyone tell me whether or not NE would receive anything if the Jets are found to have "tampered" with Revis while he was under contract with NE? Personally I don't think what Johnson said was all that big a deal, but I am not one to look a gift horse in the mouth
I am definitely not interested in arguing the merits of whether or not it should be considered tampering, just wondering what happens it the NFL deems that it was.I have heard conflicting reports on what happens with tampering charges, one report indicated that even if the Jets lose a draft pick it doesn't go to NE, others seem to indicate that it would.
Anyone know for sure?
TIA
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Anarchy99
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Pats will get compensatory picks next year (provided the Pats don't add notable free agents that would count toward compensatory picks) for losing Revis, Browner, Wilfork, Casillas, and Vereen. Also have other players eligible such as Connolly and Ayers.
Pats will look to add guys that were flat out released ( so would not count towards compensatory pick calculation).
Pats will look to add guys that were flat out released ( so would not count towards compensatory pick calculation).
Anarchy99
Footballguy
Think of it this way. Players that have a team option are still considered to have fulfilled their contracts. Their team then can choose to resign them at a set amount, but the initial contract was completed. Players that complete their contacts are worthy of compensatory picks (or added to the ledger of pick compensation). Players that did not complete their contracts and were released do not qualify for compensatory pick purposes.
12punch
Footballguy
yeah, I think balt i sloaded with midrounders right now.
I think it's kind of funny these picks are always referred to as 'thirds' when they're tacked on at the end of the round past pick 96.
typically, pick 97 would be the first pick in the 4th, assuming teams haven't lost picks, etc
aren't these picks 4th rounders as much as they are thirds?
NE_REVIVAL
Footballguy
It wouldn't be unfair to call them a 4th, but maybe we should call them a "between the 3rd-4th rd" pick? Still a pretty valuable pick imho.
Spike
Footballguy
From what I've heard in the past, Baltimore is the king of this. (I say that in admiration for how they do it.)
Spike
Footballguy
I think it's in regard to the draft pool figures that are allocated (by the NFL) to the picks; higher amounts at the higher round picks.
Baltimore and NE are the best, hands down. It requires a team be able to evaluate talent and draft wisely because you have to be able to fill holes in order to let guys walk. About 60-75% of NFL front offices are slap terrible at it, which drives the FA frenzy while Baltimore and NE and a few others are letting guys walk (and smartly adding depth guys with potential instead of overpaying for starters) and loading up on their next round of comp. picks.
LawFitz
Footballguy
The Pats, Ravens, and a few others like the Niners and Seahawks have been gaming the compensatory pick system for years now. It's no accident that every year comps picks are dominated by the same teams. Belichick loves signing a big name guy to a one year rental deal because he gets the one year of solid production then a 3rd/4th pick on the back end when the rental leaves. I'm surprised more teams haven't caught on. These same teams have been doing this for YEARS.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
Jason Worilds surprise retirement at age 27 will likely cost the Steelers a 3rd round compensatory pick next year.
Ron_Mexico
I Love Doggies
Anarchy99
Footballguy
People are aware that only a fraction of compensatory picks end up as sandwich picks between the 3rd and 4th rounds, right? There are 32 picks that end up getting awarded . . . dispersed after rounds 3-7.
Last year's compensatory pick breakdown:
3rd - 4
4th - 8
5th - 4
6th - 7
7th - 9
Last year's compensatory pick breakdown:
3rd - 4
4th - 8
5th - 4
6th - 7
7th - 9
CapnJB
Footballguy
12punch
Footballguy
LawFitz
Footballguy
CapnJB
Footballguy
Yup... don't know the terms yet, but the Seahawks will probably get a 5th round compensatory pick for a 7th round compensatory pick.
Kitrick Taylor
Footballguy
There are different ways to game the system. Belichick's is just one. The Ravens and the Packers prefer to sign free agents that don't factor into the formula for comp picks. The guys they lose typically get them comp picks. The guys they sign don't cost them picks.
While signing Revis was obviously a very good move for the Patriots, there is a downside to the deal. The Pats now are carrying 5 million in dead money on their cap this year from Revis.
massraider
Footballguy
RIght, and they won a Super Bowl, and will get a 3rd rounder. Hope they can recover.
Kitrick Taylor
Footballguy
Sorry, didn't mean to point out that the method Belichick uses to game the system was anything other than perfect.
massraider
Footballguy
I would argue that signing a guy to a two year deal, with an option that they never were going to pick up, who then signed a massive deal ( probably insuring the max comp pick), while winning a title, and having 5 mill in dead money on a cap that is going up 10 mill every year, is about as perfect a gaming of the system as one could hope for.
I'm no Belichick apologist, you wanna ask who their corners are gonna be this year, I'm happy to wonder. But it certainly looks like the Revis thing is gonna pay off perfectly.
I'm no Belichick apologist, you wanna ask who their corners are gonna be this year, I'm happy to wonder. But it certainly looks like the Revis thing is gonna pay off perfectly.
LawFitz
Footballguy
Well, the Bills beat the Pats to the punch on Harvin's one-year rental, with free-3rd-rounder-on-the-back-end upside. I think Greg Hardy is another guy out there that fits this mold. Terrance Knighton maybe? I'm sure there are a few more that the Pats, Ravens, etc are looking at.
The teams with solid coaching and locker rooms are most able to make these 1-yr rental deals work. The comp pick system is titled towards them in that way. It's a reward-the-poor rule (provide a benefit to those teams that lose FAs) that has instead turned into a rich-get-richer scheme because it the rich teams that are most able to build up players quickly and let them walk.
I kind of like the rule as is, with this reward quirk, but wouldn't be surprised if they incorporate a time with team or tenure concept into the comp pick formula at some point. As in, the player needs to have been on a team for multiple seasons, in a graduated manner, in order to get the full benefit of his departure. E.g. 1yr 30%; 2 yrs 60%; 3+ yrs 100%
The teams with solid coaching and locker rooms are most able to make these 1-yr rental deals work. The comp pick system is titled towards them in that way. It's a reward-the-poor rule (provide a benefit to those teams that lose FAs) that has instead turned into a rich-get-richer scheme because it the rich teams that are most able to build up players quickly and let them walk.
I kind of like the rule as is, with this reward quirk, but wouldn't be surprised if they incorporate a time with team or tenure concept into the comp pick formula at some point. As in, the player needs to have been on a team for multiple seasons, in a graduated manner, in order to get the full benefit of his departure. E.g. 1yr 30%; 2 yrs 60%; 3+ yrs 100%
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FunkyPlutos
Footballguy
Are there any other players that have been comp picks that have done much of anything? Serious question...
12punch
Footballguy
comp picks are nothing special --- if there's anybody in the league that was drafted in the 4th or later he just as well could've been a comp pick.
go to the nfl draft wiki and check year by year
Anarchy99
Footballguy
Here's the updated list of compensatory pick projections for next year (subject to change based on more signings) . . .
http://overthecap.com/2016-compensatory-draft-pick-update-3132015/
http://overthecap.com/2016-compensatory-draft-pick-update-3132015/
Kitrick Taylor
Footballguy
Am I the only one that can read the bolded part where I wrote "signing Revis was obviously a very good move for the Patriots"?Kitrick Taylor said:
shark pool be sharkin'
the downside to signing revis is they had to pay him?
I thought we were having a discussion about comp picks, and how NFL teams teams game the system. It seems to me that carrying over 5 million in dead money is part of the equation, and the pick that they will likely get for Revis comes at the expense of that dead money. i.e. The Patriots will have 5 million less to work with this year than they would have had without this deal. Was it worth it? Absolutely. (hence the obviously a very good move statement). Just because it was worth it, doesn't mean that it's not relevant to the discussion.
12punch
Footballguy
Am I the only one that can read the bolded part where I wrote "signing Revis was obviously a very good move for the Patriots"?Kitrick Taylor said:
shark pool be sharkin'
the downside to signing revis is they had to pay him?
I thought we were having a discussion about comp picks, and how NFL teams teams game the system. It seems to me that carrying over 5 million in dead money is part of the equation, and the pick that they will likely get for Revis comes at the expense of that dead money. i.e. The Patriots will have 5 million less to work with this year than they would have had without this deal. Was it worth it? Absolutely. (hence the obviously a very good move statement). Just because it was worth it, doesn't mean that it's not relevant to the discussion.
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Donnybrook
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Jayson Braddock @JaysonBraddock
!! RT @pauldehnerjr: Funny aspect: Bengals will get a third round compensatory pick this year for losing MJ, even as he's back on team.
What is the purpose of Comp pick other than being a complete joke?
!! RT @pauldehnerjr: Funny aspect: Bengals will get a third round compensatory pick this year for losing MJ, even as he's back on team.
What is the purpose of Comp pick other than being a complete joke?
Donnybrook
Footballguy
Nothing to do with Michael Johnson situation but I don't believe comp pick should be awarded in the first place. They assume that there is an even playing field in free agency and there is not. Free agents are favoring teams due to the quality of the organization and geography. I don't see the purpose of rewarding the same good teams every year.
12punch
Footballguy
Donnybrook
Footballguy
12punch
Footballguy
I have no idea what the purpose is -- I would assume parity.
it seems like you're literally having an argument with yourself for the sake of arguing.
let's go with parity as the goal for comp picks, and also apparently your own goal, as you don't want to see 'the same good teams rewarded every year'.
if there are actually favorable destination teams, and this is most likely exaggerated in your head, then these 'good teams' that annoy you would have a lower emigration rate and higher immigration pretty much by definition.
everybody wants to go play for these 'good teams' at the expense of some sorry destinations that can't sign guys -- those sorry teams thus having higher emigration and lower immigration.
that situation is what you're complaining about.
so, to address this, the league has implemented comp picks which would reward the sorry teams which have higher net emigration, while the teams with higher net immigration get nothing.
and so, of course, you complain about this, too, using some kind of entirely backwards reasoning for teh sake of complaining.
doesn't seem like they have much trouble signing guys --- how's that working out for them?
buffalo won the mario williams sweepstakes a few years ago -- have they caught the pats yet?
jets round out the pack chasing the pats by signing guys with their jumbo revis deal.
meanwhile, who are all these fa loading up the patriots roster --- brandon lafell, amendola, and alan branch?
I have absolutely no idea what you're complaining about --- you're actually complaining against yourself for the sake of complaining and it's nonsensical.
it seems like you're literally having an argument with yourself for the sake of arguing.
let's go with parity as the goal for comp picks, and also apparently your own goal, as you don't want to see 'the same good teams rewarded every year'.
if there are actually favorable destination teams, and this is most likely exaggerated in your head, then these 'good teams' that annoy you would have a lower emigration rate and higher immigration pretty much by definition.
everybody wants to go play for these 'good teams' at the expense of some sorry destinations that can't sign guys -- those sorry teams thus having higher emigration and lower immigration.
that situation is what you're complaining about.
so, to address this, the league has implemented comp picks which would reward the sorry teams which have higher net emigration, while the teams with higher net immigration get nothing.
and so, of course, you complain about this, too, using some kind of entirely backwards reasoning for teh sake of complaining.
miami seems like a pretty favorable geographical destination and they've certainly 'won' a few fa --- reggie bush, ellerbe, wheeler, a couple linemen, wallace, suh.....
doesn't seem like they have much trouble signing guys --- how's that working out for them?
buffalo won the mario williams sweepstakes a few years ago -- have they caught the pats yet?
jets round out the pack chasing the pats by signing guys with their jumbo revis deal.
meanwhile, who are all these fa loading up the patriots roster --- brandon lafell, amendola, and alan branch?
I have absolutely no idea what you're complaining about --- you're actually complaining against yourself for the sake of complaining and it's nonsensical.
Donnybrook
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James Daulton
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Did you know they can't be traded? Thought not.
Donnybrook
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