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Art Vandalay
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From the begging the NFL semeed set on getting the steelers to the Bowl. I am a huge Bengals fan and you can say im biter but i made frequent posting after that game that the bengals got screwed. Everyone said it was nothing yet it happened week after week and finally on the biggest stage it came to a front. The truth is a lot of little call went the way of PITT everyone brings up DAJX td or the hold but there many litle things. An offside by PITT when the guy ran clearly in and I blive sacked hasslebeck. The timeout call when the clock clearly expied. Numerous bad spots. The seahawks also made some very bad chocies though. Not going for it on 4th and not using the best back in the league who was getting 5 a touch. Seattles pertedtion was A+ and they worked Pitt up and down the field but Stevens had a lot of drops. All in all Seattle was the best teamin the league this year but they couldn't overcome what the NFL had its eyes set on
Stillers Jr.
Footballguy
Wow.Bengal fans need therapy.
Warhogs
Footballguy
Sorry guys I did not want to read through the 15 pages on this thread but did want to give my observation on the officiating from a guy who did not care which team won.
I was a bit surprised by how tightly the officials were calling the game. Examples were the flag for the helmet to helmet hit that was picked up when it turned out to be a shoulder pad and not a helmet. Same goes for the Hasselbeck flag for an illegal block that was a tackle attemp and not a block.
I thought those were the sort of items that would usually get overlooked in a championship game. I guess this goes back to the old thought of let the players play and officials would sort of overlook more minor infractions.
Again, just an observation from someone who really did not care who won.
I was a bit surprised by how tightly the officials were calling the game. Examples were the flag for the helmet to helmet hit that was picked up when it turned out to be a shoulder pad and not a helmet. Same goes for the Hasselbeck flag for an illegal block that was a tackle attemp and not a block.
I thought those were the sort of items that would usually get overlooked in a championship game. I guess this goes back to the old thought of let the players play and officials would sort of overlook more minor infractions.
Again, just an observation from someone who really did not care who won.
Nihilist Pig
Footballguy
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CrossEyed
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Do people already forget the terrible calls (and non-calls) in Indy?
Black Sunday
Footballguy
Well, I disagree mostly with everything that you've said, but you sure did get one thing right... Seattle's pertedtion was A+.
Evilgrin 72
Distributor of Pain
If I didn't already have a sig, this would be it.
Yes, you're right. There was a huge fix to get the Steelers into the Super Bowl. The league has been secretly incubating this plan since 1980, and decided the time was nigh to spring the trap !
Yes, you're right. There was a huge fix to get the Steelers into the Super Bowl. The league has been secretly incubating this plan since 1980, and decided the time was nigh to spring the trap !
Irish
Footballguy
And yet it has more logic than your arguments.Watch it again. You can tell he wasn't throwing a flag until he saw Jackson catch the ball and the defender complain. I would bet a million bucks that if Jackson had dropped the ball, no flag would have been thrown.Wow, what an argument you just made.
Zaphod
Two heads are better than one
Please don't get rid of your current sig. I know you have a lot of fertile material to choose from, but that is one of the classics.If I didn't already have a sig, this would be it.
Yes, you're right. There was a huge fix to get the Steelers into the Super Bowl. The league has been secretly incubating this plan since 1980, and decided the time was nigh to spring the trap !
bagger.
The One Play Quiz
more points <> playing betteryou are talking about a few specific plays. there are a lot more plays in a game than that.Because Pittsburgh had more points maybe? Maybe it was the better (edit) 3rd down conversion margin? Maybe it was that they didn't miss two FG's, or blow the clock management in both halves, or maybe it was that they didn't punt 5 times into the endzone, preventing themselves from pinning the Steelers deep? I've readilly acknowledged that on their side of the field Seattle moved the ball well, but once they hit mid field they fell apart, time and again. Whether it was a holding penalty, or a dropped ball, or a missed block, or a OFI call, they repeatedly failed to convert their ball fair ball movement into points. Pittsburgh had the play where Ben stayed behind the line, and completed the ball. Sort of a hail mary, but he got the ball downfield. The Randel El pass, and the 76 yard TD also come to mind. Well run, well timed, well executed plays. Seattle didn't have them. That's how they outplayed them.Seattle had a better turnover margin, TOP, total yards, better QB play...
How exactly did Pittsburgh play better than Seattle?
you could argue that a lot of their drives stalled due to the officiating.
Evilgrin 72
Distributor of Pain
If they were the better team, they'd have been able to take the Steelers on a night on which Pittsburgh played its "C" game.
Evilgrin 72
Distributor of Pain
Don't worry - it would take a miracle to ever get me to change that. I've been waiting a looooooooooong time to put that on there.Please don't get rid of your current sig. I know you have a lot of fertile material to choose from, but that is one of the classics.If I didn't already have a sig, this would be it.
Yes, you're right. There was a huge fix to get the Steelers into the Super Bowl. The league has been secretly incubating this plan since 1980, and decided the time was nigh to spring the trap !
If you wanted to advance an disingenuous argument, you could. Or you could make an honest argument that the 'Hawks had some untimely penalties. It was a hold and a pushoff. Those are the two drives stopped by penalties. Nobodies fault but their own. You an argue that they aren't always called, or were minor, but you can't argue that they were the wrong call.more points <> playing betteryou are talking about a few specific plays. there are a lot more plays in a game than that.Because Pittsburgh had more points maybe? Maybe it was the better (edit) 3rd down conversion margin? Maybe it was that they didn't miss two FG's, or blow the clock management in both halves, or maybe it was that they didn't punt 5 times into the endzone, preventing themselves from pinning the Steelers deep? I've readilly acknowledged that on their side of the field Seattle moved the ball well, but once they hit mid field they fell apart, time and again. Whether it was a holding penalty, or a dropped ball, or a missed block, or a OFI call, they repeatedly failed to convert their ball fair ball movement into points. Pittsburgh had the play where Ben stayed behind the line, and completed the ball. Sort of a hail mary, but he got the ball downfield. The Randel El pass, and the 76 yard TD also come to mind. Well run, well timed, well executed plays. Seattle didn't have them. That's how they outplayed them.
How exactly did Pittsburgh play better than Seattle?
you could argue that a lot of their drives stalled due to the officiating.
Miscellaneous
Footballguy
1) What EG said. Did you see how mediocre the Steelers played? How bad did Seattle have to play to lose last night?2) I believe the correct definition of 'sipping Haterade' (which is a fairly moronic phrase) would be to come in and whine about your team getting robbed. You're hating on the NFL Champs here - all I'm doing is pointing out the abysmal play of the guys who got robbed.
I agree, most of the whining here is done by the same people every week after their weekly "Steelers will lose" prediction doesn't come through. I wish they would post who their team is because I think a lot of them have something in common.Why does everyone insist on bad-mouthing the Seahawk fans for whining and what-not, when most if not all of the Seahawk fans on this board have been very gracious in defeat? If you want to call Steeler-haters whiners or worse that's fine by me, but if the Seahawk fans on this board are representative of most Seahawk fans, then I say
ArcticEdge
Footballguy
You could not be more wrong my man........ And I'm a Vikings Homer.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Having seen the PI call on Jackson play again from a different angle, there is NO WAY that was a push off. He barely touched him and the slight contact had no impact on the defender's body movement. It was basically a hand check.
Steelers4Life
Footballguy
It very well might not have been a solid push off. That's not really the point.BUT, we're looking at replay after replay after replay. The referee has a split second judgement to make, and what did he see? He saw Jackson's right arm extended against Hope's chest, and Jackson falling away to make a catch. That's called almost every time when the WR's arm is extended like that.
If he doesn't extend his arm, it's not a penalty. Blame Jackson, not the referee for calling what he sees.
Brock Middlebrook
Footballguy
Steelers4Life
Footballguy
Neither team looked good yesterday, but I sure wouldn't say Seattle controlled the game in any way. They got 57 yards in their last drive against a prevent defense, and that was the difference in total yardage in the game.However, the Steelers had the huge edge in 3rd down conversions and long scoring plays. They didn't make a lot of plays offensively, but the ones they did extended drives or resulted in TDs.
The Steelers converted a 3rd and 28 because Ben and Ward made a play. When Seattle had a chance to make a play to get deep into Steelers' territory, Stevens dropped a well thrown pass. Differences like that decided the game.
Because on two crucial plays they commited idiotic penalties, costing their team TD's, and they didn't recover. Maybe it was the 5 drops that stevens had? Maybe it was in not giving the ball to Alexander more? Why not also measure 3rd down efficiency (big stat), or maybe quality punts, where they would drive to midfield and punt into the endzone every time, instead of pinning Pitt and maybe forcing a crucial TO. It's not like Pitt turned the ball over a bunch of times, it was 2-1. How about the lack of big plays from Seattle, while Pitt racked up 3 @ 40+? How about sacks where Pitt held a 3-1 advantage? Why hang onto that 57 yard total yards advantage, or the 1 TO, or the 6:00 time of possession? What about the 7 penalties on Seattle, to three for Pitt? Focus on the score, and the rest of the game. Seattle didn't come close to domination. It was a pretty even game. Pitt made the big plays, Seattle didn't. Or, when they did, they shot themselves in the foot.
The rule is not measured by the level of force generated, but the fact that he did it. They don't call penalties only when they're significant to the play. I saw this one differently though. He clearly pushed off, and gained the seperation, which he didn't need because of where the ball was, but he did it. Or, is your contention that he was just checking Hopes heartbeat? Why else would he have his hand on his chest?
Here's a question for those who don't think the Seahawks lost because of bad calls.
Can the refs ever cost people games? Must a club play an absolutely perfect game, with not one dropped ball and not one miscue to even consider the refs cost them the game?
And if not, why should we go to great lengths to improve officiating? Why even have instant replay? If it is impossible for them to affect the outcome, it shouldn't even be needed, should it?
Can the refs ever cost people games? Must a club play an absolutely perfect game, with not one dropped ball and not one miscue to even consider the refs cost them the game?
And if not, why should we go to great lengths to improve officiating? Why even have instant replay? If it is impossible for them to affect the outcome, it shouldn't even be needed, should it?
snorlax
Zzzzzzzzzzzz.
There were no calls in this game as egregious as the calls in most of the divisional games. The holding and offensive pass interference calls were iffy but far from unusual calls. The only call Seattle really has a beef with is the illegal Hasselbeck tackle, but I don't know the exact rule there, and it might not even matter if he was attempting a tackle. (I do think it should matter.) Given that, I highly doubt that one call changed the outcome of the game.
Steelers4Life
Footballguy
Bad calls happen. Whether or not the calls yesterday were bad calls is very, very debatable, especially the pass interference one. Everyone has their opinions though.Great teams overcome them and still win if they have opportunites, and Seattle sure as hell had lots of them yesterday.
The Steelers should've had the Indy game iced long before they did except for the officials, but they still won.
In the Denver game, they had a Bettis TD run called back because Ward was a half-yard too close to the line of scrimmage. How'd they react? Ben threw a TD pass on the next play. Hasselbeck reacted to a similar situation yesterday with a poorly thrown INT.
Hammered Finz
Footballguy
Sonny Lubick Blowup Doll
Footballguy
The refs DID screw them.
Hey, if there's only one thread to talk about it, fine, where is it?...but not everyone has read about it, or talked about it yet. It's not even 24 hours after the game, and we can't talk about it anymore?
...talk about whining.
Hey, if there's only one thread to talk about it, fine, where is it?...but not everyone has read about it, or talked about it yet. It's not even 24 hours after the game, and we can't talk about it anymore?
...talk about whining.
ArcticEdge
Footballguy
ESPN Radio's Erik Kuselias's synopsis:
1. The Darrel Jackson pass interference call was one of the worst calls I have ever seen. If that "contact" is the precedent on offensive pass interference, then Michael Irvin woulda never been in the NFL. That call robbed 4 points from the Seahawks.
2. It is 10-14 Pitt. Hasselbeck throws a dart to Jeremy Stevens to put Seattle on the one yard line. A flag is on the feild for a phantom holding call. This is the worst, the absolute worst call I have ever seen, there was no holding by Seattle on that play. Shawn Alexander has 28 touchdowns this year, do you really think he would not have punched it in if that bad call was not made? This pushes Seattle from the one to the thirty yard line.
3. Hasselbeck is now forced to make something happen and throws an interception. He then makes a touchdown saving tackle and is called for clipping?????? HE TACKLED THE BALL CARRIER!!!! This puts Pitt at midfield instead of the 20. It was like an eight year old made that call.
Eric Kuselius then went on to say that your a fool, if you don't think the refs had a huge impact on this game....
I agree totally, it was Seattle vs Pitt/Refs.
It ruined what coulda been a fun Super Bowl to watch.
1. The Darrel Jackson pass interference call was one of the worst calls I have ever seen. If that "contact" is the precedent on offensive pass interference, then Michael Irvin woulda never been in the NFL. That call robbed 4 points from the Seahawks.
2. It is 10-14 Pitt. Hasselbeck throws a dart to Jeremy Stevens to put Seattle on the one yard line. A flag is on the feild for a phantom holding call. This is the worst, the absolute worst call I have ever seen, there was no holding by Seattle on that play. Shawn Alexander has 28 touchdowns this year, do you really think he would not have punched it in if that bad call was not made? This pushes Seattle from the one to the thirty yard line.
3. Hasselbeck is now forced to make something happen and throws an interception. He then makes a touchdown saving tackle and is called for clipping?????? HE TACKLED THE BALL CARRIER!!!! This puts Pitt at midfield instead of the 20. It was like an eight year old made that call.
Eric Kuselius then went on to say that your a fool, if you don't think the refs had a huge impact on this game....
I agree totally, it was Seattle vs Pitt/Refs.
It ruined what coulda been a fun Super Bowl to watch.
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Sonny Lubick Blowup Doll
Footballguy
Oh wait, I think I just found it!
jsargos
Footballguy
If that's the case, the defender should have been flagged for illegal contact a moment earlier when he touched Jackson beyond 5 yards. It's explicitly not allowed in the rules. Obviously the calls were made, but there is nothing disingenuous about questioning whether the calls were correct. In fact the NFL does it for every game when they grade the officials.
ArcticEdge
Footballguy
LOL Sooo sorry, Michael Irvin. That's the best you got???
ArcticEdge
Footballguy
ESPN Radio's Erik Kuselias's synopsis:
1. The Darrel Jackson pass interference call was one of the worst calls I have ever seen. If that "contact" is the precedent on offensive pass interference, then Michael Irvin woulda never been in the NFL. That call robbed 4 points from the Seahawks.
2. It is 10-14 Pitt. Hasselbeck throws a dart to Jeremy Stevens to put Seattle on the one yard line. A flag is on the feild for a phantom holding call. This is the worst, the absolute worst call I have ever seen, there was no holding by Seattle on that play. Shawn Alexander has 28 touchdowns this year, do you really think he would not have punched it in if that bad call was not made? This pushes Seattle from the one to the thirty yard line.
3. Hasselbeck is now forced to make something happen and throws an interception. He then makes a touchdown saving tackle and is called for clipping?????? HE TACKLED THE BALL CARRIER!!!! This puts Pitt at midfield instead of the 20. It was like an eight year old made that call.
Eric Kuselius then went on to say that your a fool, if you don't think the refs had a huge impact on this game....
I agree totally, it was Seattle vs Pitt/Refs.
It ruined what coulda been a fun Super Bowl to watch.
1. The Darrel Jackson pass interference call was one of the worst calls I have ever seen. If that "contact" is the precedent on offensive pass interference, then Michael Irvin woulda never been in the NFL. That call robbed 4 points from the Seahawks.
2. It is 10-14 Pitt. Hasselbeck throws a dart to Jeremy Stevens to put Seattle on the one yard line. A flag is on the feild for a phantom holding call. This is the worst, the absolute worst call I have ever seen, there was no holding by Seattle on that play. Shawn Alexander has 28 touchdowns this year, do you really think he would not have punched it in if that bad call was not made? This pushes Seattle from the one to the thirty yard line.
3. Hasselbeck is now forced to make something happen and throws an interception. He then makes a touchdown saving tackle and is called for clipping?????? HE TACKLED THE BALL CARRIER!!!! This puts Pitt at midfield instead of the 20. It was like an eight year old made that call.
Eric Kuselius then went on to say that your a fool, if you don't think the refs had a huge impact on this game....
I agree totally, it was Seattle vs Pitt/Refs.
It ruined what coulda been a fun Super Bowl to watch.
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