*** Complain about the officials thread *** (2 Viewers)

[Men-in-Cleats]

why are people congratultaing evilgrin?



also, lol at a homer's unbiased take on the penalties.

"the nose of the ball crossed the goalline"

When did I claim to be unbiased? There are some non-Steeler fans who saw the same things though, and some who saw differently.Laugh all you want, but the ball definitely crossed the goalline. Remember, it doesn't have to get INTO the end zone, all that needs to happen is for one centimeter of that ball to touch the white stripe. If you can look at that play and conclusively tell me that didn't happen at any point while he was airborne, God bless you. The line judge had a perfect look at it and made the call. They reviewed it for what seemed like 20 minutes and upheld it.

DEFINITELY?This is where you lose credibility.

You could not see the ball in the replay, which means the ref could not see the ball when he made the TD call.

It was correct to uphold the original ruling since the replay did not show conclusive evidence to overturn it, but it was incorrect for the official to call the TD originally. He basically guessed and called a TD.

The refs affected the game. Would the Steelers still have won? Maybe.

But there is no denying the impact the refs had.

Look at the boxscore.

You'd have to be a moron not to see that the refs did have an impact on the game yesterday.

Yes you would. You'd also have to be a moron not to recognize that not every call went Pittsburgh's way, and that the Seahawks had ample opportunities to overcome any questionable calls (as the Steelers had to in Indianapolis) and win the game regardless. They just didn't make the big plays Pittsburgh did. End of story.

BUT.. They did.They happened to commit penalties on their big plays and the Stealers were not.

fixed

 

[yellowdog]

A question to Steelers fans: Are 90% of all non-Steeler fans wrong? How about nearly every talkshow personality? I agree with the posters who say the referees INFLUENCED the outcome of the game. We could never be sure the outcome would have been different, but the Seahawks had very little chance the way the game was called.

BTW, Heath Miller held on the FWP TD.

 

[Sheriff66]

Jackson clearly pushed off. There is absolutely 0% doubt from the replays that he reached out for the chest of the defender. If he was not trying to create space, why would he even reach in that direction as it would have been a wasted motion if no contact were made. It happened right in front of the official. You might say he barely touched him, but when the balls are coming quickly like in the NFL and you are both trying to change direction, it doesn't take very much of a push to create the minimal amount of space necessary to complete the pass. Anybody complaining about this call is clueless.

As for the holding penalty, I had no ties to either team but remember watching that play and thinking that there would be a flag for holding before it was even called. The PIT player had a great jump on him and looked like he'd have a great chance at a sack and during the play with the camera going full speed it looked like he was held coming around the corner giving Hasselback time to throw. The replays that they showed afterwards didn't show the hold, but they didn't exactly preclude that he was grabbing him either. The ref didn't get the benefit of seeing the replays and I doubt he saw the result of the play before tossing out the flag either. All he saw was a guy who was beaten very badly off the ball somehow slow down the progress of a pass rusher without being in front of him. It looked like a hold at first glance and that is what he saw and called. If the play hadn't resulted in a first and goal noone would be questioning that call at all. They somehow only want the refs to call holding on non-critical plays. If they wanted the play to stand, that blocker picked a poor time to get beaten badly off the snap. It was not a questionable call, it was a typical call. Yes lots of holding goes uncalled on every play, but any time something looks like a hold to a referee it is going to get called, especially in the backfield where it is more visible.

If a penalty is a penalty, does it matter at what time of the game it is called ????? It is still a penalty, this isn't the NHL....

 

[Chaos Commish]

My Dad is a fairly casual fan. He likes Roethlisberger and that was his only real interest in the game. His first comments to me when I saw him this morning was "Have you ever seen a game officiated that badly toward one team?"

J

It's a shame really. I'm surrounded by casual Charger fans, very casual fans. The type who probably couldn't name either starting QB a week ago, but for one week joined in our passion at a big SB party. They all know I'm a football junky, and they have hit me with the same question your dad asked several times today. What's such a shame, is if the game had been called consistently for each team, I still think Pittsburgh wins. They had a more explosive playmaking capacity, and Seattle struggled to finish even though they moved the ball better.

It would have been a much much better game, a much sweeter win (for either team), and we've all been robbed a little-- even Steeler fans who are dragging themselves into threads like this, when they should be celebrating.

I'm sorry for Pittsburgh fans, Seattle fans, and all fans. All for slightly different reasons. I think the NFL took a hit yesterday.

Congrats to the Steelers and their fans.

 

[BeTheMatch]

the "neutral" fans do all the whining.

There. You asked me to show you where you've been classless. I probably haven't read more than 10 percent of your posts, but there's one.

There's been a lot of whining about the officiating, and it isn't coming from Seahawk fans. I guess telling the truth is classless too now.

So when other people speak their "truth," they're whining, but when you speak your "truth," you're just a pillar of piety????

 

[Men-in-Cleats]

Anybody complaining about this call is clueless.

I guess that makes the vast majority of NFL fans and experts clueless.

In this case, yes, also I did not know that you were in a vast majority. If you extend your arms and contact the other player for the purpose of creating space you are pushing off. It's cut and dried. The only thing people are clinging to is that he "barely touched him" or "there was contact before that" and not that he didn't actually push off. When your argument is that he didn't push off hard enough to where it should have gotten called then you don't have a strong argument. That play was clear as day unless you are biased or not applying any sort of logic to the situation.

 

[BeTheMatch]

Anybody complaining about this call is clueless.

I guess that makes the vast majority of NFL fans and experts clueless.

In this case, yes, also I did not know that you were in a vast majority. If you extend your arms and contact the other player for the purpose of creating space you are pushing off. It's cut and dried. The only thing people are clinging to is that he "barely touched him" or "there was contact before that" and not that he didn't actually push off. When your argument is that he didn't push off hard enough to where it should have gotten called then you don't have a strong argument. That play was clear as day unless you are biased or not applying any sort of logic to the situation.

No, actually both players initiated contact. It was called on Seattle but not Pittsburgh. That's what I'm "clinging to."

 

[Sea Bass]

Mr. Grin,

I didn't say that your remarks were shallow. You seem like a straight forward person. Some Pittsburgh fans have offered thoughts in Seahawk message threads that are less than sincere.

 

[The Football Freak]

Just a note and this may be nothing more than semantics....

But I don't see what I (and many others) are saying as complaining about the refs. We're commenting on what we saw.

I'm not upset by it. (Although if I had a strong interest in Seattle winning, I'd be pissed beyond words) So I don't see it as complaining at all. Just talking about the game.

My Dad is a fairly casual fan. He likes Roethlisberger and that was his only real interest in the game. His first comments to me when I saw him this morning was "Have you ever seen a game officiated that badly toward one team?"

J

Some are commenting, others are complaining.When I see "Stealers" intentionally misspelled, or people carrying sigs that say (paraphrased) : "Enjoy your tainted championship - there will forever be an asterisk next to it, blah blah blah", that's whining. When people post photos of "the new Steelers uniforms" and post pictures of referees, that's not simple observation.

No, those are Seahawks fans who got jobbed by the refs. Their anger is misplaced against the beneficiaries of those blown calls, but the sentiment is correct that they got worked over yesterday.

 

[tommyboy]

A question to Steelers fans: Are 90% of all non-Steeler fans wrong? How about nearly every talkshow personality? I agree with the posters who say the referees INFLUENCED the outcome of the game. We could never be sure the outcome would have been different, but the Seahawks had very little chance the way the game was called.

BTW, Heath Miller held on the FWP TD.

who cares. The Seahawks had a several chances to win the game even with the bad calls. The blew it. The INT by Hasselbeck in the red zone, after an ADMITTEDLY bad call, that's unacceptable if you're a Seahawk fan. You should be pissed at Hasselbeck, pissed at Stevens for dropping easy balls for 1st downs, pissed at Djax for unneccesarily pushing off on the TD, he had the guy beat, pissed at Holmgren and Hasselbeck for the end fo the 2nd qtr clock mgmt meltdown, pissed at your secondary for giving up 3 huge plays, two for long TD's, pissed at your coaches for going away from the game plan that had Djax catching 5 balls for 50 yds in the 1st qtr then nothing the rest of the game, pissed at the entire defense for giving up 2 crucial 1st downs late in the game to Pitt that caused Seattle to burn all 3 timeouts and effectively ended the game. Then, on top of all that being pissed at your team for not capitalizing on several opportunities, be pissed at the refs for having a bad day.

 

[Fla\/\/ed]

Anybody complaining about this call is clueless.

I guess that makes the vast majority of NFL fans and experts clueless.

In this case, yes, also I did not know that you were in a vast majority. If you extend your arms and contact the other player for the purpose of creating space you are pushing off. It's cut and dried. The only thing people are clinging to is that he "barely touched him" or "there was contact before that" and not that he didn't actually push off. When your argument is that he didn't push off hard enough to where it should have gotten called then you don't have a strong argument. That play was clear as day unless you are biased or not applying any sort of logic to the situation.

If it is that cut and dried, why isn't that penalty called 100% of the time when that contact takes place? I have seen tight ends push off in the end zone and no penalty is called.I'm happy to be in the majority of NFL fans that feel that was a BS call on Jackson.

 

[AB in DC]

A question to Steelers fans: Are 90% of all non-Steeler fans wrong? How about nearly every talkshow personality?

at talk show personalities being evidence for anything.I could say the same thing about Shark Pool polls, too.

 

[Fla\/\/ed]

A question to Steelers fans: Are 90% of all non-Steeler fans wrong? How about nearly every talkshow personality?

at talk show personalities being evidence for anything.I could say the same thing about Shark Pool polls, too.

So are you denying that the majority of NFL fans think the refs did a poor job yesterday?

 

[Franknbeans]

A question to Steelers fans: Are 90% of all non-Steeler fans wrong? How about nearly every talkshow personality? I agree with the posters who say the referees INFLUENCED the outcome of the game. We could never be sure the outcome would have been different, but the Seahawks had very little chance the way the game was called.

BTW, Heath Miller held on the FWP TD.

Next question.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

If it is that cut and dried, why isn't that penalty called 100% of the time when that contact takes place? I have seen tight ends push off in the end zone and no penalty is called.

I'm happy to be in the majority of NFL fans that feel that was a BS call on Jackson.

It was kind of ticky-tack, but the official was standing like 3 feet away and there were no other players for the official to be distracted by. He's staring at DJax, sees the arm come out and lodge itself in the defender's chest, and all of the sudden DJax has a couple yards of separation. I've seen worse push-offs overlooked, but I've also seen flimsier ones get flagged. It was a legitimate call.

 

[jurb26]

No, actually both players initiated contact. It was called on Seattle but not Pittsburgh. That's what I'm "clinging to."

I don't agree in the least with this. There was incidental contact during the designed portion of the play. The same incidental contact we see all the time and the point in which most often the push off would normally occur and not be called. Then, the play became extended and was thus a "broken" play. Jackson managed to release away and create seperation from Hope during this portion of the play but for some reason decided to come back towards him and initiate contact, not incidental by any means, a 2nd time and offer a completely useless push off. He was already open and would have easily made this play w/o ever giving the push off. Why people are livid at the ref in the case (who was standing less than 2 yards away from this whole encounter and in no way could hvae missed this) and not upset with Jackson's poor decision is beyond me. Yes, the Steelers caught a huge break here. Thanks DJax!

 

[jcjets]

You forgot to mention the third down call when Roeth..ran for a first down. The Pitt Center had the Seattle NT and spun him around. No holding there? 10 yards back and that Randle El play wouldn't have been called...New game.

Pitt won, but it is the first superbowl I watched by the third quarter I was wondering if anything else was on that was worth watching.

 

[PMENFAN]

ON Roethlisbergers TD, I'm quite sure the nose of the ball broke the plane. It doesn't have to go in, just any piece of the ball breaking any plane of the white. I will say that if they said no TD on the field they would not have been able to overturn it.

This is a big part of the problem with the play. The side judge was clearly coming into mark the ball for 4th down. When he neared the pile, he for some reason changed his mind and called it a TD. At this point the call was nearly impossible to reverse. The issue is why the side judge so obviously chaged his mind. The play was dead when he approached the pile - just because the ball is on when he gets there does not mean TD. The call should not have changed based on the ball being over the plane when he got to the pile.

Seattle was terrible yesterday - but if you go to any of the major sports interent sites today (ESPN, CBS, FOX, CNNSI and/or NBC), you will see criticism of the officiating. I think the game was one of the most poorly officiated games of the NFL season, and that is clearly a major story in the media.

The media gets readers/viewers from controversy. If they just report on the game, few people will watch, because there's not much to say. Do you think he was looking for a loose ball? I don't know why he called it the way he did, but I'm thinking he thought the ball was loose. It was close, I don't dispute that. It looked on replay like the nose of the ball got across on the first surge. Touchdown.

 

[Fla\/\/ed]

Pitt won, but it is the first superbowl I watched by the third quarter I was wondering if anything else was on that was worth watching.

It was a very boring Super Bowl but I'm sure some Steeler fans will try to tell us it was the best Super Bowl evah!

 

[shredhead]

This isn't a "neener neener neener" thread at all, but you know what? If I have to see 86 threads talking about how badly Seattle got jobbed, surely I am allowed one rebuttal thread. If it gets locked/deleted, so be it, but here's my take.

The pivotal calls folks are complaining about :

Jackson's push-off : He pushed off. No one is even denying it. What people are complaining about is that he didn't push off VERY HARD and that it usually doesn't get called. This is true - guys get away with it all the time, but it is a penalty nevertheless. If you do it in the end zone, in the Super Bowl, RIGHT in front of the back judge, you're going to get flagged. He did.

Jackson's catch at the GL - in bounds, out of bounds ? Clearly only got one foot down, the other foot came down on the sideline. Not close - why is anyone arguing this?

Roethlisberger's TD. Half the people I talk to said it was a TD, half said it wasn't. Looked to me like the nose of the ball just crossed the line as he was in the air. Line judge saw the same thing. Replay did nothing to change that - I have no idea how you can say he conclusively did not score. In any event, ball would have been at the 1" line, and the Steelers go for it and score from there 95% of the time anyway. Wasn't a backbreaker.

Locklear's holding penalty. This one was iffy, I will admit. I can see why it was called though - if you're beaten and you detain the rusher from behind, as it appears he did, you're going to get flagged if the ref catches it. They threw the flag. Replays showed it was borderline, I'd have had no problem with a call either way. However, once it is called, you have to regroup. Bettis had a TD called back in the Broncos game for an illegal formation penalty I still don't understand. However, the Steelers came back on the next play and scored again. The Seahawks could have done the same, but they turned the ball over instead.

Hasselbeck's clip - I hated this call and will be the first to say so. Don't believe he deserved a penalty there, but it didn't change anything - the INT would have stood. The Steelers could have run that El-Ward play from the 30 and scored on it anyway - Ward was that open, and the throw was that perfect - it wasn't a game-altering call.

Bottom line is this : did the Seahawks get the short end of the stick with the officiating? I believe they did. Did it determine the outcome of the game? Not even close. They had tons of opportunities to make plays and didn't execute. Rouen punted the ball into the endzone 4 or 5 times when he could have pinned the Steelers deep. Warrick should have fielded the punt Pittsburgh downed on the 2. Hasselbeck's INT was awful. They gave up a 75 yard TD run on which Parker was untouched. They got bitten by the Steelers' trick play that they should have been equipped to stop. They couldn't stop Pittsburgh from converting on 3rd and 28 late in the second quarter. Stevens had several key drops. They didn't pick up some blitzes at crucial times. Holmgren/Hasselbeck were terrible in clock management. Brown missed two FGs (long ones, in his defense.) The Seahawks D could not stop Pittsburgh from moving the chains late in the game when they desperately needed a 3-and-out to preserve their timeouts and give them a chance.

I could go on and on, but you get the point. Officials or no, they could have won. The refs didn't even throw many flags, though it seems that way because of the controversy on some of these calls. No one even mentions the call they got right on the Hasselbeck non fumble late in the game. Let's face it, Hasselbeck didn't go down as a result of the contact that was made, he was going down anyway, and that would have been a fumble if he hadn't had his leg touched. But he did, and as such, down by contact was the right call, and the refs got it. The bottom line is : both teams had opportunities to make big, game changing plays. The Seahawks, by virtue of good play, had even more chances than did Pittsburgh. When it all came down to it, though, the Steelers made the big plays, while Seattle didn't. That's why they lost.

The Seahawk fans on this board have been nothing but class. I don't hear any whining from them. To all of you, I say : congratulations. You came out with a terrific game plan and damn near won the game. Best team I've seen the Steelers face all year. Great season, first ever SB appearance, and a team that could easily do it again next season. Great fans, and you're still the NFC Champions. It's not always all about one game - it's about the season, and you guys had a whale of a year. Enjoy it.

To the folks whining about the officiating, bag it. It's irrelevant. The Steelers are the World Champions, and I am elated. So much so that all of this talk hasn't brought my spirits down one iota, despite this post. As I write this, I am sporting a Bob Weir style perma-grin that will likely last for a month or so. I feel like the guy in the Cialis commercial. There IS no asterisk, whether you want it or not. Bettis went out on top - next stop, Canton. All the "Cowher can't win the big game" talk is gone forever. He too will be immortalized in the Hall someday. This is as sweet as it gets, and there's no way on Earth that I am going to let it be tarnished. I just wanted to say my piece on all this to address those who can't seem to just say "congrats" and move on, and I shall speak no more on it. It's time to celebrate.

I agree with everything you said evilgrin except I think Bettis is only questionable to make the hall. Not really a knock on him, he had an awsome career and went out on top ( ala Elway). Good for Jerome! I am truly happy for him. I'm still not sure he gets in the hall of fame though. One reason is that although he is a very good player, I believe the Hall is for the elite, the best of the best, not sure if Bettis falls into that catergory. Reason #2, The friggin sports writers that vote on that crap. John Madden gets in while Art Monk, Gary Zimmerman, Thurman Thomas, and Michael Irvin don't. Not right. All that said, I do hope Jerome gets in the hall. But whether he does or doesn't, it doesn't change anything about his career. I'm sorry for the rant, but the selection comitee has left a bad taste in my mouth concerning the hall of fame.

Congratulations Steelers and all Steeler fans!! You are the World Champions! Nobody can ever take that away from you!

<-- This is to show my respect for the Steelers as they are not my favorite team.

 

[Men-in-Cleats]

Anybody complaining about this call is clueless.

I guess that makes the vast majority of NFL fans and experts clueless.

In this case, yes, also I did not know that you were in a vast majority. If you extend your arms and contact the other player for the purpose of creating space you are pushing off. It's cut and dried. The only thing people are clinging to is that he "barely touched him" or "there was contact before that" and not that he didn't actually push off. When your argument is that he didn't push off hard enough to where it should have gotten called then you don't have a strong argument. That play was clear as day unless you are biased or not applying any sort of logic to the situation.

If it is that cut and dried, why isn't that penalty called 100% of the time when that contact takes place? I have seen tight ends push off in the end zone and no penalty is called.I'm happy to be in the majority of NFL fans that feel that was a BS call on Jackson.

So your argument is that other players have pushed off worse and not gotten flagged? That is ridiculous logic. There was contact from both parties beforehand as they were both trying to get position and then Jackson clearly extended his arm and pushed off as he changed direction. Why was his arm back there unless he was trying to create space? Answer me that.

 

[3MTA3]

Hey everybody, the game is over.

I think it's time we starting thinking about the answers to more serious questions, like which Steeler offensive lineman is going to be Fraud Monitoring

 

[Judge Smails]

A question to Steelers fans: Are 90% of all non-Steeler fans wrong? How about nearly every talkshow personality? I agree with the posters who say the referees INFLUENCED the outcome of the game. We could never be sure the outcome would have been different, but the Seahawks had very little chance the way the game was called.

BTW, Heath Miller held on the FWP TD.

who cares. The Seahawks had a several chances to win the game even with the bad calls. The blew it. The INT by Hasselbeck in the red zone, after an ADMITTEDLY bad call, that's unacceptable if you're a Seahawk fan. You should be pissed at Hasselbeck, pissed at Stevens for dropping easy balls for 1st downs, pissed at Djax for unneccesarily pushing off on the TD, he had the guy beat, pissed at Holmgren and Hasselbeck for the end fo the 2nd qtr clock mgmt meltdown, pissed at your secondary for giving up 3 huge plays, two for long TD's, pissed at your coaches for going away from the game plan that had Djax catching 5 balls for 50 yds in the 1st qtr then nothing the rest of the game, pissed at the entire defense for giving up 2 crucial 1st downs late in the game to Pitt that caused Seattle to burn all 3 timeouts and effectively ended the game. Then, on top of all that being pissed at your team for not capitalizing on several opportunities, be pissed at the refs for having a bad day.

Can't reason with the unreasonable. Time to go now.

 

[Joe Bryant]

My favorite part of the Djax call was when they went to Mike Irvin at half time. 75% of every TD Irvin caught he pushed off more than that. Berman said something about it and at least he was consistent.

J

 

[Fla\/\/ed]

Anybody complaining about this call is clueless.

I guess that makes the vast majority of NFL fans and experts clueless.

In this case, yes, also I did not know that you were in a vast majority. If you extend your arms and contact the other player for the purpose of creating space you are pushing off. It's cut and dried. The only thing people are clinging to is that he "barely touched him" or "there was contact before that" and not that he didn't actually push off. When your argument is that he didn't push off hard enough to where it should have gotten called then you don't have a strong argument. That play was clear as day unless you are biased or not applying any sort of logic to the situation.

If it is that cut and dried, why isn't that penalty called 100% of the time when that contact takes place? I have seen tight ends push off in the end zone and no penalty is called.I'm happy to be in the majority of NFL fans that feel that was a BS call on Jackson.

So your argument is that other players have pushed off worse and not gotten flagged? That is ridiculous logic.

Huh? My point is that more often than not that call isn't made by the refs. They let the contact go as they should have yesterday. Again, the majority of NFL fans agree with this. Deal with it and move on. I'm not a Pitt or Seattle fan but it is funny watching Steeler fans try to justify the officiating yesterday.

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

Certainly Seattle was not overwhelmed by the Steelers. Were I a Seattle fan I might be indulging in the "what might have been" game.

 

[Popinski]

IMO not even close. That's one of the many reasons I thought the call was weak. DJax didn't gain an advantage on the play. He turned and moved away from the defender, who was clearly falling away from the play and falling out of position to defend the pass.

Agreed. When he was running his route towards the endzone, Jackson's left shoulder was grabbed by the defender. Then, when the route was broken off and Jackson was in scramble mode, the defender again initiated contact first by putting his hands up, and Jackson responded by trying to free himself of of the defender's arms. He did extend his arm, but I barely saw any contact, and certainly didn't see a push-off. The defender was off-balance and took a step back as a result of Jackson's cut.The most blatant thing I saw on that play was the defender's grab of Jackson's left shoulder earlier in the route. Really, nothing should have been called.

I'm not in agreement over all of the major calls against Seattle being bad calls (the Big Ben call was correct - he was in), but Seattle was definitely hurt by the officiating.

Did officiating influence this game? Absolutely.

Did officiating change the outcome of the game? Maybe it did, maybe it didn't. You can't conclusively say either way.

 

[AB in DC]

This is where you lose credibility.

You could not see the ball in the replay, which means the ref could not see the ball when he made the TD call.

Huh? I could see the ball very clearly on that play.Then again, I was watching it in HD.

 

[jurb26]

Pitt won, but it is the first superbowl I watched by the third quarter I was wondering if anything else was on that was worth watching.

It was a very boring Super Bowl but I'm sure some Steeler fans will try to tell us it was the best Super Bowl evah!

No, it was less than entertaining even as a Steelers fan. It was a game littered with mistakes and very few big plays. The Ds controlled the Os and that never makes for the kind of SB that people want to see. I for enjoyed watching W.Jones and M.Stong constantly push their man wide and offer some of the best pass blocking I have ever seen vs. very athletic LBs. I also enjoyed watching Hassy deliver precise quick timing throws early in the game. I enjoyed watching Fanica show why he is an All Pro G as he not only pulled out and pancaked several defenders, but maintained control of the inside in pass protection. Hampton was IMO, the best player on the field last night. His burst off the line and push were incredible vs. a very strong Oline in Sea. He was maintaining 2 blockers at all times and should have been congratulated more for his efforts than the media did. Some other things I enjoyed were the plays Ben was able to make when things broke down. This guy has got great poise and has a serious knack for the "street ball" type situations. No, I don’t find it at all surprising that most fans or just people who casually watched the game found these things even half as entertaining as I did. All in all, it was an ugly SB. Both teams made mistakes and while I think both teams were clearly deserving of representing their Conferences. One can't help but think that other teams would have offered more entertaining games. Lets not kid ourselves though; the 2 best teams in football over the course of the season and playoffs took the field last night. Not only that, but there were things worth seeing weather you want to see/acknowledge them or not.

 

[MDSkinner]

This is where you lose credibility.

You could not see the ball in the replay, which means the ref could not see the ball when he made the TD call.

Huh? I could see the ball very clearly on that play.Then again, I was watching it in HD.

I agree. Seriously, I watched this play frame by frame, and that ball did touch the goalline, in my opinion. It is possible that my eyes were playing tricks on me, I will grant you that. But that one seemed quite clear to me.

 

[Evilgrin 72]

Mr. Grin,

I didn't say that your remarks were shallow. You seem like a straight forward person. Some Pittsburgh fans have offered thoughts in Seahawk message threads that are less than sincere.

That's cool. I just wanted to make sure - my comments and congratulations for the Seahawk fans are 100% genuine, and I simply wanted to be sure you all knew that.

 

[NE_REVIVAL]

Anybody complaining about this call is clueless.

I guess that makes the vast majority of NFL fans and experts clueless.

In this case, yes, also I did not know that you were in a vast majority. If you extend your arms and contact the other player for the purpose of creating space you are pushing off. It's cut and dried. The only thing people are clinging to is that he "barely touched him" or "there was contact before that" and not that he didn't actually push off. When your argument is that he didn't push off hard enough to where it should have gotten called then you don't have a strong argument. That play was clear as day unless you are biased or not applying any sort of logic to the situation.

If it is that cut and dried, why isn't that penalty called 100% of the time when that contact takes place? I have seen tight ends push off in the end zone and no penalty is called.I'm happy to be in the majority of NFL fans that feel that was a BS call on Jackson.

Congrats to the Steelers they are the champs aint nobody can take that away But, there is NO doubt SB 40 was and always will be one of the worst officiated Super Bowls ever. The Jackson push off was absolutely atrocious and the holding call on Locklear was even worse. The negligent officiating had a tremondous effect on the outcome of the game and IMO it is really sad. It is sad for the NFL, for the Seahawks and for the Steelers and their fans. It is quite possible that the Steelers would have won anyway; but now most will remember not the great Steeler victory but how greatly the Steelers benefited from the truly horrendous officiating :(

 

[yellowdog]

A question to Steelers fans: Are 90% of all non-Steeler fans wrong? How about nearly every talkshow personality? I agree with the posters who say the referees INFLUENCED the outcome of the game. We could never be sure the outcome would have been different, but the Seahawks had very little chance the way the game was called.

BTW, Heath Miller held on the FWP TD.

who cares. The Seahawks had a several chances to win the game even with the bad calls. The blew it. The INT by Hasselbeck in the red zone, after an ADMITTEDLY bad call, that's unacceptable if you're a Seahawk fan. You should be pissed at Hasselbeck, pissed at Stevens for dropping easy balls for 1st downs, pissed at Djax for unneccesarily pushing off on the TD, he had the guy beat, pissed at Holmgren and Hasselbeck for the end fo the 2nd qtr clock mgmt meltdown, pissed at your secondary for giving up 3 huge plays, two for long TD's, pissed at your coaches for going away from the game plan that had Djax catching 5 balls for 50 yds in the 1st qtr then nothing the rest of the game, pissed at the entire defense for giving up 2 crucial 1st downs late in the game to Pitt that caused Seattle to burn all 3 timeouts and effectively ended the game. Then, on top of all that being pissed at your team for not capitalizing on several opportunities, be pissed at the refs for having a bad day.

Not a Seahawks fan, just a football fan. I'm very disappointed at the way last night's game transpired.

 

[Evilgrin 72]

the "neutral" fans do all the whining.

There. You asked me to show you where you've been classless. I probably haven't read more than 10 percent of your posts, but there's one.

There's been a lot of whining about the officiating, and it isn't coming from Seahawk fans. I guess telling the truth is classless too now.

So when other people speak their "truth," they're whining, but when you speak your "truth," you're just a pillar of piety????

It's not "my truth" - the Seahawk fans haven't been whining, and that's to their credit.Everyone is entitled to his/her opinion on the matter, but there's a line between commenting and complaining, as I clearly illustrated in my response to Joe earlier.

 

[BlueOnion]

Anybody have a list of all the questionable calls against the Seahawks last night?

1) D. Jackson push off

2) Locklear holding

3) Hasselbeck's 'chop block'

4) Phantom holding call on punt return (called on #35)

5) Roethlisberger's touchdown

What other ones am I missing?

 

[Kleck]

Wow. Truly bitter Seattle fans.

This is wrong on so many levels. You're selectively reading what you want. The Seattle fans on this board (all five of us?) have not been bitter and full of anger. However, there are lots of non-Seattle fans that didn't enjoy the game because of what they perceived as poor officiating.

 

[Evilgrin 72]

This is where you lose credibility.

You could not see the ball in the replay, which means the ref could not see the ball when he made the TD call.

Huh? I could see the ball very clearly on that play.Then again, I was watching it in HD.

I agree. Seriously, I watched this play frame by frame, and that ball did touch the goalline, in my opinion. It is possible that my eyes were playing tricks on me, I will grant you that. But that one seemed quite clear to me.

You just lost all credibility.

 

[3MTA3]

Anybody have a list of all the questionable calls against the Seahawks last night?

1) D. Jackson push off

2) Locklear holding

3) Hasselbeck's 'chop block'

4) Phantom holding call on punt return (called on #35)

5) Roethlisberger's touchdown

What other ones am I missing?

 

[jurb26]

Anybody have a list of all the questionable calls against the Seahawks last night?

3) Hasselbeck's 'chop block'

What other ones am I missing?

This is the only one that I would say was a "bad" call. I do know and understand why they called it though. As fate would have it, the Steeler had this exact call go against them earlier in the season. On a nearly identical play as a matter of fact. I have to give the NFL some credit here for at least being consistent on the matter.

 

[CA_7]

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[BlueOnion]

Anybody have a list of all the questionable calls against the Seahawks last night?

3) Hasselbeck's 'chop block'

What other ones am I missing?

This is the only one that I would say was a "bad" call. I do know and understand why they called it though. As fate would have it, the Steeler had this exact call go against them earlier in the season. On a nearly identical play as a matter of fact. I have to give the NFL some credit here for at least being consistent on the matter.

I am not saying they were all bad calls, just questionable calls in the sense they were calls that should not have been called.

 

[tommyboy]

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[PMENFAN]

On the Fox article, this is the defining statement.

I've been shrieking hysterically about the terrible officiating in the NFL and warning that some day the brutal calls were going to affect the outcome of the Super Bowl.That some day was Sunday.

Comes right at the beginning, and tells us that the author WANTED to interpret the game to suit an agenda, so we have this.

When Farrior pushed upfield, Gray did hook him with his right arm, and Farrior went down. When referee Bill Levy flagged Gray, it was a bad omen for the Seahawks. Instead of being on the edge of the red zone, they came away without any points.

He says that the refs made the right call, but somehow Seattle should be able to commit penalties, without being calledThen we have this gem.

The replay showed receiver and defender hand-fighting with Jackson getting the slightest push into Hope's chest before turning to catch the ball.

Yes, Jackson pushed off, but he shouldn't be called. Why? Nobody is disputing that these were penalties, but that they shouldn't be called. IN competition, we have rules. When rules are broken, penalties apply. Don't want to get called, don't cheat. He referes, repeatedly, to Maddens opinion. I've got a clue for you. Madden hasn't watched a game in 10 years. He's busy getting background for the next little piece of history that's coming. Use your own eyes. The ONLY bad call I saw was the penalty on the tackle, which was completely irrelevent. There are bad calls in games. there are penalties that aren't called, and many phantom calls. But, rest assured. If you have your hand in a DB's chest, at the change of direction, in front of the back judge, you will be called for OPI. If you're a tackle, and you get your arm outside, you will be called for a hold. Call them ticky tack if you want, but if you don't want to get called for ticky tack fouls, don't dommit them.

 

[BlueOnion]

But, rest assured. If you have your hand in a DB's chest, at the change of direction, in front of the back judge, you will be called for OPI. If you're a tackle, and you get your arm outside, you will be called for a hold. Call them ticky tack if you want, but if you don't want to get called for ticky tack fouls, don't dommit them.

Nice of you to stipulate 'tackle', I must have seen Hines Ward do this exact same thing at least three times.

 

[Evilgrin 72]

On the Fox article, this is the defining statement.

I've been shrieking hysterically about the terrible officiating in the NFL and warning that some day the brutal calls were going to affect the outcome of the Super Bowl.

That some day was Sunday.

Comes right at the beginning, and tells us that the author WANTED to interpret the game to suit an agenda, so we have this.

When Farrior pushed upfield, Gray did hook him with his right arm, and Farrior went down. When referee Bill Levy flagged Gray, it was a bad omen for the Seahawks. Instead of being on the edge of the red zone, they came away without any points.

He says that the refs made the right call, but somehow Seattle should be able to commit penalties, without being calledThen we have this gem.

The replay showed receiver and defender hand-fighting with Jackson getting the slightest push into Hope's chest before turning to catch the ball.

Yes, Jackson pushed off, but he shouldn't be called. Why? Nobody is disputing that these were penalties, but that they shouldn't be called. IN competition, we have rules. When rules are broken, penalties apply. Don't want to get called, don't cheat. He referes, repeatedly, to Maddens opinion. I've got a clue for you. Madden hasn't watched a game in 10 years. He's busy getting background for the next little piece of history that's coming. Use your own eyes. The ONLY bad call I saw was the penalty on the tackle, which was completely irrelevent. There are bad calls in games. there are penalties that aren't called, and many phantom calls.

But, rest assured. If you have your hand in a DB's chest, at the change of direction, in front of the back judge, you will be called for OPI. If you're a tackle, and you get your arm outside, you will be called for a hold. Call them ticky tack if you want, but if you don't want to get called for ticky tack fouls, don't dommit them.

 

[PMENFAN]

Jackson's push-off : He pushed off. No one is even denying it.

Jackson is. To quote: "I didn't even touch him," Jackson insisted. "I guess that's how it is when you are on the road. I guess that's how it is when you are going against the world."

Man, you have got to be kidding me.

I had to laugh at that. Reality down? (OK, I did it - sue me, I'm giddy over here, and probably still a little drunk)

Tell Jackson to take a look at the replay and then address that again.

I've seen the replay numerous times. It didn't look like a pushoff to me. I think Jackson has a legitimate gripe. Unbelievably weak call IMO.

Yes, Jackson touched the defender, but why is no one mentioning that the defender also touched him with his hands?? It was the very definition of incidental contact.

Until Jackson puts the stiff arm to his chest to gain seperation, with the ball in the air. That's when it became OPI.

 

[Steelers4Life]

Jackson's push-off : He pushed off.  No one is even denying it.

Jackson is. To quote: "I didn't even touch him," Jackson insisted. "I guess that's how it is when you are on the road. I guess that's how it is when you are going against the world."

Man, you have got to be kidding me.

I had to laugh at that. Reality down? (OK, I did it - sue me, I'm giddy over here, and probably still a little drunk)

Tell Jackson to take a look at the replay and then address that again.

I've seen the replay numerous times. It didn't look like a pushoff to me. I think Jackson has a legitimate gripe. Unbelievably weak call IMO.

Yes, Jackson touched the defender, but why is no one mentioning that the defender also touched him with his hands?? It was the very definition of incidental contact.

Until Jackson puts the stiff arm to his chest to gain seperation, with the ball in the air. That's when it became OPI.

BINGO.People will still see what they want to see, though.

 

[Evilgrin 72]

I'm not going to let you bring me down off this high.... I've been partying all night. I watched the sun rise at Liza's....

Wha- , Minnelli ?!?!?!?!

No.

 

[PMENFAN]

Would you at least recognize that the Steelers have a Super Bowl championship despite

1. Not being the best team that day.

2. Possibly not being the best team, period.

I didn't really care one way or the other before the game. After the game, I'm now a Seattle fan and I dislike the Steelers.

Nope. They had the hardest road to the Super Bowl that any team has ever had (or ever WILL have, provided the league doesn't expand the playoffs again) and they won 4 games away from home, by an average of 11.3 ppg. In my eyes, they were the best team, period. No one will ever change that. If you disagree, that's fine.

I'd have to say that beating two #1's, a 2 and a 3, either on the road, or neutral, pretty much cements you as the best team, regardless of some west coast, or NFC, whining about penalties that shouldn't have been called. Not that they weren't penalties, but that they shouldn't have been called. Seattle was penalized for a whopping 7/70. Take away the bogus Hass block, and you have 6 for 55. Then the DJax pushoff, andyou have 5 for 40. Just hammered w/ penalties they were.

 

[BlueOnion]

I'm not going to let you bring me down off this high.... I've been partying all night. I watched the sun rise at Liza's....

Wha- , Minnelli ?!?!?!?!

No.

You really should. These moments are few and far between for NFL fans and enjoying these moments are a most.:jealosy: