Steve King is an idiot, obviously. The second part of your statement is asinine.Steve King said the quiet part out loud, but this is the GOP and their platform these days.
Let's not pretend that "wars, famine, plagues, pillaging, mass murder and slave trade" were a province of western civilization only. Or that anyone had any control over famines (usually drought caused) and plagues in those days.Merits? Yes the Renaissance and Enlightenment was pretty great but most of the rest involves wars, famine, plagues, pillaging, mass murder and slave trade.
Best thing about western civilization was that first Decline movie with all the great punk bands.Steve King is an idiot, obviously. The second part of your statement is asinine.
Let's not pretend that "wars, famine, plagues, pillaging, mass murder and slave trade" were a province of western civilization only. Or that anyone had any control over famines (usually drought caused) and plagues in those days.
Do you believe Trump has and/or is encouraging white supremacists?Steve King is an idiot, obviously. The second part of your statement is asinine.
Let's not pretend that "wars, famine, plagues, pillaging, mass murder and slave trade" were a province of western civilization only. Or that anyone had any control over famines (usually drought caused) and plagues in those days.
I believe DJT is an idiot and has no idea what he's encouraging. Also, just as a point, the GOP platform and the diarrhea that comes from DJT are most often wholly separate entities.Do you believe Trump has and/or is encouraging white supremacists?
Is anyone advocating for a statue of Byrd? Why bring up statues if not to troll now guy?It doesn't matter if he is dead. General Lee is dead and so is JEB Stewart and they are having statues removed and school names stripped because of the way they lived (which was the norm then). If it doesn't matter if they are dead, then they shouldn't be torn down.
Either way, dead or alive, Robert Byrd was an ###.
I never pretended either of those things were true. Though some famines were preventable.Let's not pretend that "wars, famine, plagues, pillaging, mass murder and slave trade" were a province of western civilization only. Or that anyone had any control over famines (usually drought caused) and plagues in those days.
Can you provide a few examples where Trump's idiocy resulted in him encouraging things that weren't consistent with white nationalism?I believe DJT is an idiot and has no idea what he's encouraging.Do you believe Trump has and/or is encouraging white supremacists?
I believe DJT is an idiot and has no idea what he's encouraging. Also, just as a point, the GOP platform and the diarrhea that comes from DJT are most often wholly separate entities.
Seems like you would then agree he is unfit for office and needs to be removed via the 25th amendment.I believe DJT is an idiot and has no idea what he's encouraging. Also, just as a point, the GOP platform and the diarrhea that comes from DJT are most often wholly separate entities.
I understand that you very much want this to be true, and I wish it was, too. But it just ain't.I believe DJT is an idiot and has no idea what he's encouraging. Also, just as a point, the GOP platform and the diarrhea that comes from DJT are most often wholly separate entities.
I really don't care what King is saying. It doesn't affect me either way.Is anyone advocating for a statue of Byrd? Why bring up statues if not to troll now guy?
Nobody is defending Byrd wasn't an ### in his lifetime...none of that has a damn thing to do with King.
Do you support what King is saying? Its a simple yes or no question. And the only relevant thing right now.
well that's nice...tells me all I need to know about you.I really don't care what King is saying. It doesn't affect me either way.
Yet...you chimed into a thread and brought up Robert Byrd...as if that affects you or anyone at this point?I really don't care what King is saying. It doesn't affect me either way.
No. I am saying that his isn't news now because Byrd was the same way and it wasn't news then.Yet...you chimed into a thread and brought up Robert Byrd...as if that affects you or anyone at this point?
So...basically, you admit here you brought up Byrd simply to get a reaction from other posters on a message board?
Thats pretty odd behavior...and telling that you can't even comment about King's words and actions.
Congrats I guess.well that's nice...tells me all I need to know about you.
But you care about things that don't affect you, right? Your comment seems odd. I don't really understand it.I really don't care what King is saying. It doesn't affect me either way.
That's why it was so helpful for you to turn the thread into a discussion of Robert Byrd, because he's the real villain here who continues to haunt us from beyond the grave. You are doing great work in this thread.I really don't care what King is saying. It doesn't affect me either way.
typical troll.
Robert Byrd affected me as I was born and raised in WV. The best thing that happened was when he passed and he was finally out of office.But you care about things that don't affect you, right? Your comment seems odd. I don't really understand it.
Yeah, it was. Thus, the apology and the change in his position. If Steve King wants to disavow his white nationalist position now and spend the next 30 years or so working to fight racism, maybe in 2050 or so he'll be in the same position as Byrd.No. I am saying that his isn't news now because Byrd was the same way and it wasn't news then.
A. It is news now because King is currently in Congress.No. I am saying that his isn't news now because Byrd was the same way and it wasn't news then.
I think you do...I think everyone does...what will be done about that is the question.But you care about things that don't affect you, right? Your comment seems odd. I don't really understand it.
/end of discussionYeah, it was. Thus, the apology and the change in his position. If Steve King wants to disavow his white nationalist position now and spend the next 30 years or so working to fight racism, maybe in 2050 or so he'll be in the same position as Byrd.
Funny. You've responded to him 4 times in this thread already so hard to say he's derailing anythingA. It is news now because King is currently in Congress.
B. Byrd was the same way in the 60s and 70s before changing...which makes the comparison irrelevant to today.
C. That you can't even comment on something as inherently racist as what King is saying is pretty odd....as is commenting on the thread at all if you don't really care...which again leads me to believe your motives in this thread (as in others) is not about actual discussion but derailing actual discussion.
Guys, stop being so hard on my boy, here. Be nicer to new guys to the board.Robert Byrd affected me as I was born and raised in WV. The best thing that happened was when he passed and he was finally out of office.
You tell him, baby.Of course no one cared that Robert Byrd was in the KKK. I guess it only maters when there is a "R" next to the name.
It is a rare thing for grown men, especially as they get older, to evolve. Senator Byrd ought to be celebrated as someone who developed uncommon empathy and grace in his mid-60s. That is rare and commendable.Yeah, it was. Thus, the apology and the change in his position. If Steve King wants to disavow his white nationalist position now and spend the next 30 years or so working to fight racism, maybe in 2050 or so he'll be in the same position as Byrd.No. I am saying that his isn't news now because Byrd was the same way and it wasn't news then.
For the 2003–2004 session, the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP)[70] rated Byrd's voting record as being 100% in line with the NAACP's position on the thirty-three Senate bills they evaluated. Sixteen other senators received that rating. In June 2005, Byrd proposed an additional $10,000,000 in federal funding for the Martin Luther King Jr. National Memorial in Washington, D.C., remarking that, "With the passage of time, we have come to learn that his Dream was the American Dream, and few ever expressed it more eloquently."[71] Upon news of his death, the NAACP released a statement praising Byrd, saying that he "became a champion for civil rights and liberties" and "came to consistently support the NAACP civil rights agenda".[72]
You do know he apologized for that and made it his life's work to atone for it.Of course no one cared that Robert Byrd was in the KKK. I guess it only maters when there is a "R" next to the name.
Unfit and unable are two different things.Seems like you would then agree he is unfit for office and needs to be removed via the 25th amendment.
Think about what we tolerated with Byrd and what we didn't with Franken.You do know he apologized for that and made it his life's work to atone for it.
You won't admit to that and you won't admit to being a banned alias.
Even in Maine?Thread title is so weird.
Guys, Steve King is a white nationalist wherever he is.
Which do you think Trump is?Unfit and unable are two different things.
"The Rain In Maine Falls Mainly On Steve King, A White Nationalist." Haven't you ever heard that?Even in Maine?
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Think about what we tolerated with Byrd and what we didn't with Franken.
That really was a good read. I can’t find it in myself to feel any sympathy for the people who populate those communities though. It’s a dilemma sure, but have some integrity then and take a stand, not hide in the shadows with your big dirty secret. I’m sorry, but they are complicit in where we are now. What is the real difference between welfare cheats (almost always characterized as minorities) and these farms reliant on undocumented labor? I guess it’s because they’re white and “honest hard working people” (which implies that those the right demonizes are the opposite).That was an enlightening read, thanks. I wish there was more discussion about the immigration dilemma portrayed in that article and other attendant immigration issues rather than this stupid farcical wall crisis. It's preventing any real discussion about the genuine problems we face.
And Steve King and Devin Nunes are reprehensible human beings that any decent person would be ashamed to be associated with. That's why Trump loves them.
Absolutely. Sorry, maybe it's just me, but being in the KKK should be a disqualifying event for public office.And that's a bad thing?
The GOP platform is Trump. Trump is the GOP. The GOP is Trump.I believe DJT is an idiot and has no idea what he's encouraging. Also, just as a point, the GOP platform and the diarrhea that comes from DJT are most often wholly separate entities.
That’s the classic gateway to white nationalism and white supremacism. Agreed, he’s one all right.“White nationalist, white supremacist, Western civilization — how did that language become offensive?” King asked in an interview with The New York Times published on Thursday. “Why did I sit in classes teaching me about the merits of our history and our civilization?”
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Absolutely. Sorry, maybe it's just me, but being in the KKK should be a disqualifying event for public office.
I don’t believe I asked you...I asked the person who stated “I believe DJT is an idiot and has no idea what he's encouraging. “. (His words).Neither.
I don't agree. You do know Werner Von Braun was a Nazi, right? But he realized his error, and came to work for us and developed the rockets that allowed us to send a man to the moon.Absolutely. Sorry, maybe it's just me, but being in the KKK should be a disqualifying event for public office.
Can you help me understand why the GOP is refusing to allow a vote to end the government shutdown? It seems Trump wants the shutdown. Why is the GOP falling in line if they're theoretically wholly separate entities?I believe DJT is an idiot and has no idea what he's encouraging. Also, just as a point, the GOP platform and the diarrhea that comes from DJT are most often wholly separate entities.