Continuous Rays thread: fun season (1 Viewer)

[Grahamburn]

Also, how did you become an insider?

I'm not. I just know the guy.

 

[Capella]

Steven Pearce?

 

[Grahamburn]

Steven Pearce?

Hell of a guess.

 

[Eephus]

Robbie Ray would be the most Rays signing I can think of but he's not a FA.

 

[Capella]

So Pearce replaces Schaffer? I would've rather seen Schaffer tbh

Edit: I guess a Morrison/Pearce 1B platoon would be effective. I guess they'll dump Loney's corpse on the Cubs when that trade goes down.

 

[Grahamburn]

Something definitely seems to be brewing with the Cubs.

 

[gump]

McGee to the Rockies for Dickerson.

 

[Capella]

So main lineup should be:

Miller - SS

Forsythia - 2B

Dickerson - LF

Longoria - 3B

Pearce - 1B

Morrison - DH

Souza - RF

Casali - C

KK - CF

That's.......not a bad lineup? Actually has to be one of the better lineups we've had here. Also have Jennings, Schaffer and Mahtook for injury fills.

 

[Northern Voice]

So main lineup should be:

Miller - SS

Forsythia - 2B

Dickerson - LF

Longoria - 3B

Pearce - 1B

Morrison - DH

Souza - RF

Casali - C

KK - CF

That's.......not a bad lineup? Actually has to be one of the better lineups we've had here. Also have Jennings, Schaffer and Mahtook for injury fills.

Love Dickerson for you guys, maybe haven't followed close enough, is Miller a legit leadoff guy?

 

[Eephus]

So main lineup should be:

Miller - SS

Forsythia - 2B

Dickerson - LF

Longoria - 3B

Pearce - 1B

Morrison - DH

Souza - RF

Casali - C

KK - CF

That's.......not a bad lineup? Actually has to be one of the better lineups we've had here. Also have Jennings, Schaffer and Mahtook for injury fills.

Love Dickerson for you guys, maybe haven't followed close enough, is Miller a legit leadoff guy?

Brad Miller?

 

[Capella]

So main lineup should be:

Miller - SS

Forsythia - 2B

Dickerson - LF

Longoria - 3B

Pearce - 1B

Morrison - DH

Souza - RF

Casali - C

KK - CF

That's.......not a bad lineup? Actually has to be one of the better lineups we've had here. Also have Jennings, Schaffer and Mahtook for injury fills.

Love Dickerson for you guys, maybe haven't followed close enough, is Miller a legit leadoff guy?

Brad Miller?

Fangraphs has him around 2-2.5 WAR

 

[Eephus]

So main lineup should be:

Miller - SS

Forsythia - 2B

Dickerson - LF

Longoria - 3B

Pearce - 1B

Morrison - DH

Souza - RF

Casali - C

KK - CF

That's.......not a bad lineup? Actually has to be one of the better lineups we've had here. Also have Jennings, Schaffer and Mahtook for injury fills.

Love Dickerson for you guys, maybe haven't followed close enough, is Miller a legit leadoff guy?

Brad Miller?

Fangraphs has him around 2-2.5 WAR

I've always liked Miller and have taken several fantasy flyers on him. He's not a bad add for the Rays but leading him off is more optimistic than 2.5 WAR.

 

[Capella]

So main lineup should be:

Miller - SS

Forsythia - 2B

Dickerson - LF

Longoria - 3B

Pearce - 1B

Morrison - DH

Souza - RF

Casali - C

KK - CF

That's.......not a bad lineup? Actually has to be one of the better lineups we've had here. Also have Jennings, Schaffer and Mahtook for injury fills.

Love Dickerson for you guys, maybe haven't followed close enough, is Miller a legit leadoff guy?

Brad Miller?

Fangraphs has him around 2-2.5 WAR

I've always liked Miller and have taken several fantasy flyers on him. He's not a bad add for the Rays but leading him off is more optimistic than 2.5 WAR.

Speed thing? I don't think they care about that at all.

 

[Eephus]

So main lineup should be:

Miller - SS

Forsythia - 2B

Dickerson - LF

Longoria - 3B

Pearce - 1B

Morrison - DH

Souza - RF

Casali - C

KK - CF

That's.......not a bad lineup? Actually has to be one of the better lineups we've had here. Also have Jennings, Schaffer and Mahtook for injury fills.

Love Dickerson for you guys, maybe haven't followed close enough, is Miller a legit leadoff guy?

Brad Miller?

Fangraphs has him around 2-2.5 WAR

I've always liked Miller and have taken several fantasy flyers on him. He's not a bad add for the Rays but leading him off is more optimistic than 2.5 WAR.

Speed thing? I don't think they care about that at all.

I think he can improve on his .313 career OBP but not by a lot

 

[Grahamburn]

This is a sneaky good baseball team.

 

[Eephus]

This is a sneaky good baseball team.

It's sneaky alright but it remains to be seen how good. Matt Silverman been active this offseason and except for the Loney/Lomo redundancy, has done an intelligent job assembling the squad. There's good OF defense and a rotation that should be solid and could be more than that if Moore, Snell or Cobb contribute.

I still wonder where the offense is going to come from. The everyday lineup is stocked with underpriced and relatively young talent. But relatively is the key word; guys like Forsythe, Jennings, Brad Miller and even Dickerson have been around for a while. They are who they are. Hopefully a few will have career years but it's unlikely any will break out enough to be a second big run producer behind Longoria. Kevin Cash has some underrated bats he can piece together into a batting order and perhaps the offense can be more than the sum of their parts.

The Rays' road is made tougher because they'll always be outspent by everyone in their division. Their lineup really needs one more bat but the Rays can't afford to shop for one. I like their pitching enough to put them in the high 80 wins category but that probably won't be enough to win the AL East.

 

[Capella]

I'm not sure I agree with you in Dickerson being in the he is who he is category. Guy barely has two complete seasons under his belt. Same with Miller actually.

Now longoria, that's a guy for whom that statement applies.

 

[Eephus]

I'm not sure I agree with you in Dickerson being in the he is who he is category. Guy barely has two complete seasons under his belt. Same with Miller actually.

Now longoria, that's a guy for whom that statement applies.

At least Longoria can hit lefties

 

[Encyclopedia Brown]

Now longoria, that's a guy for whom that statement applies.

His comparisons have gone from Mike Schmidt to...Jeff King.

 

[Eephus]

Now longoria, that's a guy for whom that statement applies.

His comparisons have gone from Mike Schmidt to...Jeff King.

He's playing down to his contract

 

[Capella]

Now longoria, that's a guy for whom that statement applies.

His comparisons have gone from Mike Schmidt to...Jeff King.

He's playing down to his contract

<_<

 

[Capella]

This is a sneaky good baseball team.

It's sneaky alright but it remains to be seen how good. Matt Silverman been active this offseason and except for the Loney/Lomo redundancy, has done an intelligent job assembling the squad. There's good OF defense and a rotation that should be solid and could be more than that if Moore, Snell or Cobb contribute.

I still wonder where the offense is going to come from. The everyday lineup is stocked with underpriced and relatively young talent. But relatively is the key word; guys like Forsythe, Jennings, Brad Miller and even Dickerson have been around for a while. They are who they are. Hopefully a few will have career years but it's unlikely any will break out enough to be a second big run producer behind Longoria. Kevin Cash has some underrated bats he can piece together into a batting order and perhaps the offense can be more than the sum of their parts.

The Rays' road is made tougher because they'll always be outspent by everyone in their division. Their lineup really needs one more bat but the Rays can't afford to shop for one. I like their pitching enough to put them in the high 80 wins category but that probably won't be enough to win the AL East.

One thing about this - I agree it's not the best lineup in baseball or anything, but unlike previous years there are no major gaping holes. For god's sake, they had to play Rene Rivera at first base multiple times last year. That is unbelievably bad. There is also quality depth in case of injuries at Durham, which is another thing they've sorely lacked (playing Allan Dykstra last year, how does that happen). Most of us have always thought if they can get a little better than league average hitting they should cruise into the playoffs with that rotation. I'm not as big in the starting five this year as I am most, because Erasmo and Moore seem to be question marks, but I like the top-3, and they have Snell in Durham and Cobb in maybe August.

I think they have a chance to compete in the east, or at the worst be in play for that wild card.

 

[Grahamburn]

No real stars anywhere, but they're deep everywhere.

 

[Eephus]

No real stars anywhere, but they're deep everywhere.

I'm really not trying to troll a long-suffering fanbase but I don't see it. Their rotation could be deep if some question marks turn into answers. That's probably their strength and could be the best in the division.

The bullpen is a crapshoot. I guess the outfield could be considered deep because there's not much drop-off in quality between OF1 and OF5 but that's as much because the top is low as the bottom is high. In the infield, their best minor league bat is blocked by their best big league player and James Loney is still in line for 300-400 ABs. At middle infield, Beckham and Nick Franklin aren't even deep when they're discussing Schopenhauer.

I know fantasy baseball isn't real life but it's not a totally meaningless point of comparison for offensive production. Who other than Longoria is a starter in a 12-team mixed 5x5 league?

 

[MAC_32]

No real stars anywhere, but they're deep everywhere.

I'm really not trying to troll a long-suffering fanbase but I don't see it. Their rotation could be deep if some question marks turn into answers. That's probably their strength and could be the best in the division.

The bullpen is a crapshoot. I guess the outfield could be considered deep because there's not much drop-off in quality between OF1 and OF5 but that's as much because the top is low as the bottom is high. In the infield, their best minor league bat is blocked by their best big league player and James Loney is still in line for 300-400 ABs. At middle infield, Beckham and Nick Franklin aren't even deep when they're discussing Schopenhauer.

I know fantasy baseball isn't real life but it's not a totally meaningless point of comparison for offensive production. Who other than Longoria is a starter in a 12-team mixed 5x5 league?

I've not written off Dickerson as a potential every day guy yet. If Forsythe leads off and plays everyday...maybe Souza. Who knows with that wildcard though. The rest fall victim to platoons. Even when they start good bet they are out by the 7th. Decent filler in-season in daily's, but opening day? Hopefully not. Good platoons though, which is better than bad every day options.

 

[Capella]

James Loney is 1000% not getting 3-400 at-bats, unless something really bad happens in the next few weeks. They are actively trying to trade him, and beat guys think they may just flat out release him if they can't.

Also, Franklin is likely headed to Durham and Beckham may be the once a week relief at SS. Neither really a factor.

 

[Eephus]

No real stars anywhere, but they're deep everywhere.

I'm really not trying to troll a long-suffering fanbase but I don't see it. Their rotation could be deep if some question marks turn into answers. That's probably their strength and could be the best in the division.

The bullpen is a crapshoot. I guess the outfield could be considered deep because there's not much drop-off in quality between OF1 and OF5 but that's as much because the top is low as the bottom is high. In the infield, their best minor league bat is blocked by their best big league player and James Loney is still in line for 300-400 ABs. At middle infield, Beckham and Nick Franklin aren't even deep when they're discussing Schopenhauer.

I know fantasy baseball isn't real life but it's not a totally meaningless point of comparison for offensive production. Who other than Longoria is a starter in a 12-team mixed 5x5 league?

I've not written off Dickerson as a potential every day guy yet. If Forsythe leads off and plays everyday...maybe Souza. Who knows with that wildcard though. The rest fall victim to platoons. Even when they start good bet they are out by the 7th. Decent filler in-season in daily's, but opening day? Hopefully not. Good platoons though, which is better than bad every day options.

It's kind of like an Earl Weaver kind of club but without as much power. If all goes well, they'll be a fun team to follow with a different hero every night.

 

[Eephus]

James Loney is 1000% not getting 3-400 at-bats, unless something really bad happens in the next few weeks. They are actively trying to trade him, and beat guys think they may just flat out release him if they can't.

Also, Franklin is likely headed to Durham and Beckham may be the once a week relief at SS. Neither really a factor.

I think you'll see more Beckham and Franklin than you think. Miller doesn't hit LHP.

 

[Capella]

James Loney is 1000% not getting 3-400 at-bats, unless something really bad happens in the next few weeks. They are actively trying to trade him, and beat guys think they may just flat out release him if they can't.

Also, Franklin is likely headed to Durham and Beckham may be the once a week relief at SS. Neither really a factor.

I think you'll see more Beckham and Franklin than you think. Miller doesn't hit LHP.

Maybe Beckham. I don't think they're very high on Franklin right now.

 

[Capella]

http://www.draysbay.com/2016/2/1/10872820/corey-dickerson-mike-trout-bryce-harper?utm_campaign=draysbay&utm_content=chorus&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter

 

[Capella]

http://www.draysbay.com/2016/2/1/10872820/corey-dickerson-mike-trout-bryce-harper?utm_campaign=draysbay&utm_content=chorus&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter

Little early in the morning to be ####-hammered

Hey I'm not SAYING we just traded for Mike Trout, I'm just saying that somebody ELSE is saying it.

 

[Capella]

http://www.draysbay.com/2016/2/16/11014878/tampa-bay-rays-PECOTA-al-east-projection?utm_campaign=draysbay&utm_content=chorus&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter

PECOTA all bout the Rays again. 

 

[Grahamburn]

That system clearly loves starting pitching. 

 

[Capella]

Got to see the Rays in Dunedin today. Guerreri and Faria are awesome prospects. Both have really clean short strokes unsure in their wid windups. 

It's really incredible how they keep churning out pitching. 

 

[Mr. Pickles]

No mention of Snell?

 

[Capella]

No mention of Snell?

He didn't pitch yesterday. Most expect him by June. 

 

[gump]

Got to see the Rays in Dunedin today. Guerreri and Faria are awesome prospects. Both have really clean short strokes unsure in their wid windups. 

It's really incredible how they keep churning out pitching. 

I was there too.    Olde Bay for an early lunch, a few innings of ST, then over to the Valspar for the stretch run.  March here is crazy.

 

[Grahamburn]

Headed to the Trop today.

 

[Osaurus]

Going on 4/17 for White Sox game.  First time I've gone to a game in April in a while.

 

[Capella]

Headed to the Trop today.

I never got around to buying tickets and I can't decide if I want to pay the stub hub prices for today or just go this week for 1/5 the cost. 

 

[Grahamburn]

I never got around to buying tickets and I can't decide if I want to pay the stub hub prices for today or just go this week for 1/5 the cost. 

Depends on if you're interested in the atmosphere or the game. Should be buzzing today and :crickets: the rest of the week. 

 

[gump]

2 runs in the first killed any potential buzz.

Positive for me is I heard some really honest talk about Tampa, from a guy who said we should know the future by the end of the season.

 

[Capella]

2 runs in the first killed any potential buzz.

Positive for me is I heard some really honest talk about Tampa, from a guy who said we should know the future by the end of the season.

Tampa the leader? Funding?

 

[gump]

Tampa the leader? Funding?

He was quoting a lot of stats that painted Tampa as the target...and had a bit of a smirk on his face when he said he couldn't talk about anything financial.

 

[Capella]

Through 2 games, Toronto is quite signifcantly a better team. 

 

[Encyclopedia Brown]

I heard someone say they believe that Chris Archer is tipping his pitches, and has been since the end of last season. 

 

[Capella]

I heard someone say they believe that Chris Archer is tipping his pitches, and has been since the end of last season. 

Nah. He's not able to get the curve and slider over. That's the biggest issue. 

 

[Capella]

I'll never understand why Desmond Jennings plays everyday but Brandon Guyer doesn't. 

 

[Grahamburn]

I'll never understand why Desmond Jennings plays everyday but Brandon Guyer doesn't. 

It's hard for smart guys to admit when they're wrong.

Pearce with more RBI today (1) than Morrison has had all year.  He was also on base 3 times compared to Morrison's 5 all season.  I'm biased, but it's ridiculous that this clown keeps playing every day.  Pearce will hit and get on base consistently if given the opportunity.  I know they don't want to give up on their platoon plan this early, but Morrison looks absolutely lost.

 

[Grahamburn]

I know it's not their style, and it will never happen, but they really need to call the Brewers about Lucroy.  These catchers are atrocious.