Could the Bills be the breakout offense of 2014? (1 Viewer)

[Faust]

Bills aim to run NFL's fastest offense

 

[Raiderfan32904]

When Sigmund Bloom first floated the idea, I was at first very skeptical. But I'm buying this Bills offensive breakout. Triple W's, Spiller, FJax, Bryce Brown, EJ Manuel. Love the changes.

 

[ThePunter]

lmao im in rochester, which is an hour away from buffalo and people think the bills are going to the superbowl every year. They need a quarterback.

 

[JayJay328]

lmao im in rochester, which is an hour away from buffalo and people think the bills are going to the superbowl every year. They need a quarterback.

LMAO @ anyone who thinks they can judge a guy based on 10 games played. College doesn't count, ask Tom Brady.

 

[MAC_32]

lmao im in rochester, which is an hour away from buffalo and people think the bills are going to the superbowl every year. They need a quarterback.

LMAO @ anyone who thinks they can judge a guy based on 10 games played. College doesn't count, ask Tom Brady.

he couldn't reset his feet, make good decisions, and throw accurately in college. He did the same thing last year.Why will that change now?

 

[JayJay328]

lmao im in rochester, which is an hour away from buffalo and people think the bills are going to the superbowl every year. They need a quarterback.

LMAO @ anyone who thinks they can judge a guy based on 10 games played. College doesn't count, ask Tom Brady.

he couldn't reset his feet, make good decisions, and throw accurately in college. He did the same thing last year.Why will that change now?

If he flops you can say how right you were and how you knew it all along. Imo though people are too quick to call players and qbs especially, busts.

 

[Chaka]

lmao im in rochester, which is an hour away from buffalo and people think the bills are going to the superbowl every year. They need a quarterback.

LMAO @ anyone who thinks they can judge a guy based on 10 games played. College doesn't count, ask Tom Brady.

Brady was 20-5 as a starter at Michigan, he beat Alabama in the Orange Bowl and Arkansas in the Citrus Bowl. Brady set Michigan records for attempts and completions, he was Big-10 honorable mention twice and team captain as a senior.

 

[MAC_32]

lmao im in rochester, which is an hour away from buffalo and people think the bills are going to the superbowl every year. They need a quarterback.

LMAO @ anyone who thinks they can judge a guy based on 10 games played. College doesn't count, ask Tom Brady.

he couldn't reset his feet, make good decisions, and throw accurately in college. He did the same thing last year.Why will that change now?

If he flops you can say how right you were and how you knew it all along. Imo though people are too quick to call players and qbs especially, busts.

Not my style.

If EJ were a clown I may be rooting for it, but all reports indicate he's a good guy, would rather he succeed, want to see more good people do good things in the NFL.

I also want to read why people defending EJ think he will be better. I haven't. 'Wait and see' is the baseline any response seems to stem from. While twitter camp reports continue to say the same thing - when he challenges the defense down field...has to move past his first read...or reset his feet due to the rush, he's making mistakes.

 

[Catbird]

Because all but a handful of QBs in NFL history have been better in their second year playing than in their first? Because it takes most guys time to learn to read pro defenses and slow the game down? Because they pay QB coaches to, you know, coach, teach and improve players? Because he likely has a better receiving corps to work with? No guarantees, but plenty of reason to anticipate improvement.

 

[MAC_32]

Because all but a handful of QBs in NFL history have been better in their second year playing than in their first? Because it takes most guys time to learn to read pro defenses and slow the game down? Because they pay QB coaches to, you know, coach, teach and improve players? Because he likely has a better receiving corps to work with? No guarantees, but plenty of reason to anticipate improvement.

...then why hasn't he improved in (m)any of these areas since he first started at Florida State?

 

[Chaka]

Even if he improves, and he really needs to improve on every metric (especially his yards/attempt) this is a run first, second and third offense which will cap his fantasy upside. And don't expect that if he does improve as a passer that they will suddenly shift away from being a predominantly running team.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

lmao im in rochester, which is an hour away from buffalo and people think the bills are going to the superbowl every year. They need a quarterback.

LMAO @ anyone who thinks they can judge a guy based on 10 games played. College doesn't count, ask Tom Brady.

I asked him, but he seemed confused at why that question was directed to him.

 

[LawFitz]

2014 breakout offense will be the Vikings IMO.

 

[MAC_32]

2014 breakout offense will be the Vikings IMO.

2015.

 

[Ditka Butkus]

Offense no.....but I will go on record in saying their defense will lead the league in sacks.

 

[JayJay328]

lmao im in rochester, which is an hour away from buffalo and people think the bills are going to the superbowl every year. They need a quarterback.

LMAO @ anyone who thinks they can judge a guy based on 10 games played. College doesn't count, ask Tom Brady.

Brady was 20-5 as a starter at Michigan, he beat Alabama in the Orange Bowl and Arkansas in the Citrus Bowl. Brady set Michigan records for attempts and completions, he was Big-10 honorable mention twice and team captain as a senior.

He was then passed over miltiple times by every team in the league.

 

[Grigs Allmoon]

Offense no.....but I will go on record in saying their defense will lead the league in sacks.

With Kiko, I'd agree, but sans Kiko and I'm a lot less confident in the front 7.

 

[Mr Non Sequitur]

EJ is a bottom 5 starting QB right now. Maybe Vikings are worse until Bridgewater takes the reigns. Not a long list of teams IMO.

 

[JayJay328]

EJ is a bottom 5 starting QB right now. Maybe Vikings are worse until Bridgewater takes the reigns. Not a long list of teams IMO.

Miami, NYJ, Jax, Hou, Cleveland, Oakland, St. Louis, Tenn

Not a long list but none of the QBs on these teams have proven to be quality starters or even that they are better than EJ.

 

[Mr Non Sequitur]

EJ is a bottom 5 starting QB right now. Maybe Vikings are worse until Bridgewater takes the reigns. Not a long list of teams IMO.

Miami, NYJ, Jax, Hou, Cleveland, Oakland, St. Louis, Tenn

Not a long list but none of the QBs on these teams have proven to be quality starters or even that they are better than EJ.

Lot of conjecture and opinion here. You really think EJ is light years ahead of what Cleveland has right now in Hoyer and Manziel? Jax just drafted a QB early and we won't see much of this year. EJ is better than Matt Schaub? 2 time Pro bowler with 3 different 4,000 yard passing seasons, really?

I wondered what folks would say about Bradford, much rather have Sammy over EJ but that's me and I don't think Sam Bradford is anywhere close to a top 10 NFL QB. I am talking NFL here not just FF.

That list, here is how I would rank.

1. Oakland-Matt Schaub has the most decorations of anyone here.

2. St Louis-Sam Bradford, despite the injuries and whatnot I think he has shown a lot more than EJ to this point.

3. Miami-Ryan Tannehill is entering year 3 and his problem is the OL more than his arm strength.

4. NY Jets-Geno Smith was a highly touted kid coming out Miami, FL and ends up in West Virginia. He tore it up plenty there but had a lot of detractors coming into the NFL. I don't feel Smith is garbage at all but I would like to see him eventually with a better offensive minded coach.

I would put Jax, Hou, and TN in the mix or discussion for bottom 5 but EJ and the Bills would also have a ticket at that same table. My opinion.

 

[JayJay328]

EJ is a bottom 5 starting QB right now. Maybe Vikings are worse until Bridgewater takes the reigns. Not a long list of teams IMO.

Miami, NYJ, Jax, Hou, Cleveland, Oakland, St. Louis, Tenn

Not a long list but none of the QBs on these teams have proven to be quality starters or even that they are better than EJ.

Lot of conjecture and opinion here. You really think EJ is light years ahead of what Cleveland has right now in Hoyer and Manziel? Jax just drafted a QB early and we won't see much of this year. EJ is better than Matt Schaub? 2 time Pro bowler with 3 different 4,000 yard passing seasons, really?

I wondered what folks would say about Bradford, much rather have Sammy over EJ but that's me and I don't think Sam Bradford is anywhere close to a top 10 NFL QB. I am talking NFL here not just FF.

That list, here is how I would rank.

1. Oakland-Matt Schaub has the most decorations of anyone here.

2. St Louis-Sam Bradford, despite the injuries and whatnot I think he has shown a lot more than EJ to this point.

3. Miami-Ryan Tannehill is entering year 3 and his problem is the OL more than his arm strength.

4. NY Jets-Geno Smith was a highly touted kid coming out Miami, FL and ends up in West Virginia. He tore it up plenty there but had a lot of detractors coming into the NFL. I don't feel Smith is garbage at all but I would like to see him eventually with a better offensive minded coach.

I would put Jax, Hou, and TN in the mix or discussion for bottom 5 but EJ and the Bills would also have a ticket at that same table. My opinion.

The only guy on the list who has done anything to prove himself is Schaub. However I think Schaub is done as a quality starter.

As for the rest, they are clumped together until they separate themselves. Throw in Minnesota too from your post quoted above. Throwing in the towel on EJ at this point though is funny to me.

 

[humpback]

EJ is a bottom 5 starting QB right now. Maybe Vikings are worse until Bridgewater takes the reigns. Not a long list of teams IMO.

Miami, NYJ, Jax, Hou, Cleveland, Oakland, St. Louis, Tenn

Not a long list but none of the QBs on these teams have proven to be quality starters or even that they are better than EJ.

Lot of conjecture and opinion here. You really think EJ is light years ahead of what Cleveland has right now in Hoyer and Manziel? Jax just drafted a QB early and we won't see much of this year. EJ is better than Matt Schaub? 2 time Pro bowler with 3 different 4,000 yard passing seasons, really?

I wondered what folks would say about Bradford, much rather have Sammy over EJ but that's me and I don't think Sam Bradford is anywhere close to a top 10 NFL QB. I am talking NFL here not just FF.

That list, here is how I would rank.

1. Oakland-Matt Schaub has the most decorations of anyone here.

2. St Louis-Sam Bradford, despite the injuries and whatnot I think he has shown a lot more than EJ to this point.

3. Miami-Ryan Tannehill is entering year 3 and his problem is the OL more than his arm strength.

4. NY Jets-Geno Smith was a highly touted kid coming out Miami, FL and ends up in West Virginia. He tore it up plenty there but had a lot of detractors coming into the NFL. I don't feel Smith is garbage at all but I would like to see him eventually with a better offensive minded coach.

I would put Jax, Hou, and TN in the mix or discussion for bottom 5 but EJ and the Bills would also have a ticket at that same table. My opinion.

The only guy on the list who has done anything to prove himself is Schaub. However I think Schaub is done as a quality starter.

As for the rest, they are clumped together until they separate themselves. Throw in Minnesota too from your post quoted above. Throwing in the towel on EJ at this point though is funny to me.

Where did he say he's throwing in the towel on him? He simply said that he's a bottom 5 starter right now. Until he shows otherwise (and reports from camp haven't been good), I don't think that's much of a stretch.

 

[Raiderfan32904]

Back to the subject of the Bills breakout offense. It's been reported that Mike Williams has been running with the ones as the X receiver opposite Watkins, with Woods in the slot. Buffalo Mike Williams has had an impressive by all accounts.

 

[Mr Non Sequitur]

EJ is a bottom 5 starting QB right now. Maybe Vikings are worse until Bridgewater takes the reigns. Not a long list of teams IMO.

Miami, NYJ, Jax, Hou, Cleveland, Oakland, St. Louis, Tenn

Not a long list but none of the QBs on these teams have proven to be quality starters or even that they are better than EJ.

Lot of conjecture and opinion here. You really think EJ is light years ahead of what Cleveland has right now in Hoyer and Manziel? Jax just drafted a QB early and we won't see much of this year. EJ is better than Matt Schaub? 2 time Pro bowler with 3 different 4,000 yard passing seasons, really?

I wondered what folks would say about Bradford, much rather have Sammy over EJ but that's me and I don't think Sam Bradford is anywhere close to a top 10 NFL QB. I am talking NFL here not just FF.

That list, here is how I would rank.

1. Oakland-Matt Schaub has the most decorations of anyone here.

2. St Louis-Sam Bradford, despite the injuries and whatnot I think he has shown a lot more than EJ to this point.

3. Miami-Ryan Tannehill is entering year 3 and his problem is the OL more than his arm strength.

4. NY Jets-Geno Smith was a highly touted kid coming out Miami, FL and ends up in West Virginia. He tore it up plenty there but had a lot of detractors coming into the NFL. I don't feel Smith is garbage at all but I would like to see him eventually with a better offensive minded coach.

I would put Jax, Hou, and TN in the mix or discussion for bottom 5 but EJ and the Bills would also have a ticket at that same table. My opinion.

The only guy on the list who has done anything to prove himself is Schaub. However I think Schaub is done as a quality starter.

As for the rest, they are clumped together until they separate themselves. Throw in Minnesota too from your post quoted above. Throwing in the towel on EJ at this point though is funny to me.

Where did he say he's throwing in the towel on him? He simply said that he's a bottom 5 starter right now. Until he shows otherwise (and reports from camp haven't been good), I don't think that's much of a stretch.

Thanks, I definitely was not closing the book on the guy. I don't have any resentment towards him but I have heard plenty of NFL media types say the Bills reached. That don't mean EJ is a bust or not going to get better but there has to be a bottom 5-10 in the NFL and I think at this particular moment in 2014 you would have to rank Buffalo towards the bottom, not dead last by a Boston mile or nothing, just in the discussion of below avg passing games right now.

Most of my posts are Re-Draft especially this time of year, I feel we may have stepped on a couple dynasty toes here.

 

[Hagger]

Still can't get over the fact that they traded their 1st round pick next year for Sammy Watkins.

Yes, Watkins will be a very good NFL WR, but their QB and much of the rest of the team are terrible.

If anything, they should be trading down to get some more talented players.

Stupid, stupid, decision.

I can see criticism for Manuel, but what other positions are still "terrible" for Buffalo that weren't addressed?

Rb fjax is going to fall off any day now. Spiller is now 27 everybody...he's not going to be a stud. He's a guy that is injured often and is a better athlete than football player. Brown is a recent gamble.

Wr - Sammy Watkins is good not great. Tampa/buffalo mike is just a guy, nothing great. Woods is a role player imo. A few little speed guys, but nothing outstanding.

Te nothing

Ol- is it really much better?

Qb- it has been noted already

The problem with football now is everyone likes the speed guys, but fails to look at the whole football player. Which is why buffalo looks appealing with spiller/Watkins ( 4.43 isn't that fast). It's why people missed on Lamar Miller, seastrunk, etc. More to the game then that. Doug marrone isn't chip Kelly, far from it.

This year is too soon to expect these kids to develop. I would guess year 3 in a perfect world for Buffalo

See, and I was worried when he turned 26. Who are these coaches that let these grandpa's tote the rock for an NFL team?

 

[JayJay328]

EJ is a bottom 5 starting QB right now. Maybe Vikings are worse until Bridgewater takes the reigns. Not a long list of teams IMO.

Miami, NYJ, Jax, Hou, Cleveland, Oakland, St. Louis, Tenn

Not a long list but none of the QBs on these teams have proven to be quality starters or even that they are better than EJ.

Lot of conjecture and opinion here. You really think EJ is light years ahead of what Cleveland has right now in Hoyer and Manziel? Jax just drafted a QB early and we won't see much of this year. EJ is better than Matt Schaub? 2 time Pro bowler with 3 different 4,000 yard passing seasons, really?

I wondered what folks would say about Bradford, much rather have Sammy over EJ but that's me and I don't think Sam Bradford is anywhere close to a top 10 NFL QB. I am talking NFL here not just FF.

That list, here is how I would rank.

1. Oakland-Matt Schaub has the most decorations of anyone here.

2. St Louis-Sam Bradford, despite the injuries and whatnot I think he has shown a lot more than EJ to this point.

3. Miami-Ryan Tannehill is entering year 3 and his problem is the OL more than his arm strength.

4. NY Jets-Geno Smith was a highly touted kid coming out Miami, FL and ends up in West Virginia. He tore it up plenty there but had a lot of detractors coming into the NFL. I don't feel Smith is garbage at all but I would like to see him eventually with a better offensive minded coach.

I would put Jax, Hou, and TN in the mix or discussion for bottom 5 but EJ and the Bills would also have a ticket at that same table. My opinion.

The only guy on the list who has done anything to prove himself is Schaub. However I think Schaub is done as a quality starter.

As for the rest, they are clumped together until they separate themselves. Throw in Minnesota too from your post quoted above. Throwing in the towel on EJ at this point though is funny to me.

Where did he say he's throwing in the towel on him? He simply said that he's a bottom 5 starter right now. Until he shows otherwise (and reports from camp haven't been good), I don't think that's much of a stretch.

Read the thread.

 

[Jeff Vader]

FWIW Manuel has not looked good in training camp, and the defense has been light years ahead of the offense. Marrone is not happy.

Should be interesting to see how EJ does against the Giants tomorrow night.

 

[humpback]

EJ is a bottom 5 starting QB right now. Maybe Vikings are worse until Bridgewater takes the reigns. Not a long list of teams IMO.

Miami, NYJ, Jax, Hou, Cleveland, Oakland, St. Louis, Tenn

Not a long list but none of the QBs on these teams have proven to be quality starters or even that they are better than EJ.

Lot of conjecture and opinion here. You really think EJ is light years ahead of what Cleveland has right now in Hoyer and Manziel? Jax just drafted a QB early and we won't see much of this year. EJ is better than Matt Schaub? 2 time Pro bowler with 3 different 4,000 yard passing seasons, really?

I wondered what folks would say about Bradford, much rather have Sammy over EJ but that's me and I don't think Sam Bradford is anywhere close to a top 10 NFL QB. I am talking NFL here not just FF.

That list, here is how I would rank.

1. Oakland-Matt Schaub has the most decorations of anyone here.

2. St Louis-Sam Bradford, despite the injuries and whatnot I think he has shown a lot more than EJ to this point.

3. Miami-Ryan Tannehill is entering year 3 and his problem is the OL more than his arm strength.

4. NY Jets-Geno Smith was a highly touted kid coming out Miami, FL and ends up in West Virginia. He tore it up plenty there but had a lot of detractors coming into the NFL. I don't feel Smith is garbage at all but I would like to see him eventually with a better offensive minded coach.

I would put Jax, Hou, and TN in the mix or discussion for bottom 5 but EJ and the Bills would also have a ticket at that same table. My opinion.

The only guy on the list who has done anything to prove himself is Schaub. However I think Schaub is done as a quality starter.

As for the rest, they are clumped together until they separate themselves. Throw in Minnesota too from your post quoted above. Throwing in the towel on EJ at this point though is funny to me.

Where did he say he's throwing in the towel on him? He simply said that he's a bottom 5 starter right now. Until he shows otherwise (and reports from camp haven't been good), I don't think that's much of a stretch.

Read the thread.

So you're saying you were responding to him up until your last sentence, and then changed gears and threw in a response to a completely different poster?

 

[JayJay328]

EJ is a bottom 5 starting QB right now. Maybe Vikings are worse until Bridgewater takes the reigns. Not a long list of teams IMO.

Miami, NYJ, Jax, Hou, Cleveland, Oakland, St. Louis, Tenn

Not a long list but none of the QBs on these teams have proven to be quality starters or even that they are better than EJ.

Lot of conjecture and opinion here. You really think EJ is light years ahead of what Cleveland has right now in Hoyer and Manziel? Jax just drafted a QB early and we won't see much of this year. EJ is better than Matt Schaub? 2 time Pro bowler with 3 different 4,000 yard passing seasons, really?

I wondered what folks would say about Bradford, much rather have Sammy over EJ but that's me and I don't think Sam Bradford is anywhere close to a top 10 NFL QB. I am talking NFL here not just FF.

That list, here is how I would rank.

1. Oakland-Matt Schaub has the most decorations of anyone here.

2. St Louis-Sam Bradford, despite the injuries and whatnot I think he has shown a lot more than EJ to this point.

3. Miami-Ryan Tannehill is entering year 3 and his problem is the OL more than his arm strength.

4. NY Jets-Geno Smith was a highly touted kid coming out Miami, FL and ends up in West Virginia. He tore it up plenty there but had a lot of detractors coming into the NFL. I don't feel Smith is garbage at all but I would like to see him eventually with a better offensive minded coach.

I would put Jax, Hou, and TN in the mix or discussion for bottom 5 but EJ and the Bills would also have a ticket at that same table. My opinion.

The only guy on the list who has done anything to prove himself is Schaub. However I think Schaub is done as a quality starter.

As for the rest, they are clumped together until they separate themselves. Throw in Minnesota too from your post quoted above. Throwing in the towel on EJ at this point though is funny to me.

Where did he say he's throwing in the towel on him? He simply said that he's a bottom 5 starter right now. Until he shows otherwise (and reports from camp haven't been good), I don't think that's much of a stretch.

Read the thread.

So you're saying you were responding to him up until your last sentence, and then changed gears and threw in a response to a completely different poster?

The entire thread is about whether the Bills can be the breakout offense of 2014. Saying EJ is a bottom 5 QB and naming only the Vikes as worse until Bridgewater takes over infers we have seen all there is to EJ. Story told. Right but guys like Bradford or Tannehill still have room for improvement right? Give me a break. <_<

As for your out of camp reports, he did throw a 99 yard TD the other day.

 

[humpback]

EJ is a bottom 5 starting QB right now. Maybe Vikings are worse until Bridgewater takes the reigns. Not a long list of teams IMO.

Miami, NYJ, Jax, Hou, Cleveland, Oakland, St. Louis, Tenn

Not a long list but none of the QBs on these teams have proven to be quality starters or even that they are better than EJ.

Lot of conjecture and opinion here. You really think EJ is light years ahead of what Cleveland has right now in Hoyer and Manziel? Jax just drafted a QB early and we won't see much of this year. EJ is better than Matt Schaub? 2 time Pro bowler with 3 different 4,000 yard passing seasons, really?

I wondered what folks would say about Bradford, much rather have Sammy over EJ but that's me and I don't think Sam Bradford is anywhere close to a top 10 NFL QB. I am talking NFL here not just FF.

That list, here is how I would rank.

1. Oakland-Matt Schaub has the most decorations of anyone here.

2. St Louis-Sam Bradford, despite the injuries and whatnot I think he has shown a lot more than EJ to this point.

3. Miami-Ryan Tannehill is entering year 3 and his problem is the OL more than his arm strength.

4. NY Jets-Geno Smith was a highly touted kid coming out Miami, FL and ends up in West Virginia. He tore it up plenty there but had a lot of detractors coming into the NFL. I don't feel Smith is garbage at all but I would like to see him eventually with a better offensive minded coach.

I would put Jax, Hou, and TN in the mix or discussion for bottom 5 but EJ and the Bills would also have a ticket at that same table. My opinion.

The only guy on the list who has done anything to prove himself is Schaub. However I think Schaub is done as a quality starter.

As for the rest, they are clumped together until they separate themselves. Throw in Minnesota too from your post quoted above. Throwing in the towel on EJ at this point though is funny to me.

Where did he say he's throwing in the towel on him? He simply said that he's a bottom 5 starter right now. Until he shows otherwise (and reports from camp haven't been good), I don't think that's much of a stretch.

Read the thread.

So you're saying you were responding to him up until your last sentence, and then changed gears and threw in a response to a completely different poster?

The entire thread is about whether the Bills can be the breakout offense of 2014. Saying EJ is a bottom 5 QB and naming only the Vikes as worse until Bridgewater takes over infers we have seen all there is to EJ. Story told. Right but guys like Bradford or Tannehill still have room for improvement right? Give me a break. <_<

As for your out of camp reports, he did throw a 99 yard TD the other day.

So now you've come full circle and are back to saying Mr Non Sequitur thinks the book is closed on EJ but the other guys have room for improvement? I'll let him explain it more if he wants to, but he didn't say either one of those things in those posts. You seem to be reading what you want to read.

You're correct in one regard- this thread is about the Bills possibly becoming the breakout offense this year, and as of right now, that seems very unlikely due to their QB play. You can debate whether there are two teams with a worse starting QB right now or 7, but the bottom line is there aren't many. Lol at your comeback to the camp reports, they've been bad overall regardless of one play. It would be shocking if EJ was in the top half of starting QBs this year, and you aren't going to be a breakout offense without that.

 

[JayJay328]

EJ is a bottom 5 starting QB right now. Maybe Vikings are worse until Bridgewater takes the reigns. Not a long list of teams IMO.

Miami, NYJ, Jax, Hou, Cleveland, Oakland, St. Louis, Tenn

Not a long list but none of the QBs on these teams have proven to be quality starters or even that they are better than EJ.

Lot of conjecture and opinion here. You really think EJ is light years ahead of what Cleveland has right now in Hoyer and Manziel? Jax just drafted a QB early and we won't see much of this year. EJ is better than Matt Schaub? 2 time Pro bowler with 3 different 4,000 yard passing seasons, really?

I wondered what folks would say about Bradford, much rather have Sammy over EJ but that's me and I don't think Sam Bradford is anywhere close to a top 10 NFL QB. I am talking NFL here not just FF.

That list, here is how I would rank.

1. Oakland-Matt Schaub has the most decorations of anyone here.

2. St Louis-Sam Bradford, despite the injuries and whatnot I think he has shown a lot more than EJ to this point.

3. Miami-Ryan Tannehill is entering year 3 and his problem is the OL more than his arm strength.

4. NY Jets-Geno Smith was a highly touted kid coming out Miami, FL and ends up in West Virginia. He tore it up plenty there but had a lot of detractors coming into the NFL. I don't feel Smith is garbage at all but I would like to see him eventually with a better offensive minded coach.

I would put Jax, Hou, and TN in the mix or discussion for bottom 5 but EJ and the Bills would also have a ticket at that same table. My opinion.

The only guy on the list who has done anything to prove himself is Schaub. However I think Schaub is done as a quality starter.

As for the rest, they are clumped together until they separate themselves. Throw in Minnesota too from your post quoted above. Throwing in the towel on EJ at this point though is funny to me.

Where did he say he's throwing in the towel on him? He simply said that he's a bottom 5 starter right now. Until he shows otherwise (and reports from camp haven't been good), I don't think that's much of a stretch.

Read the thread.

So you're saying you were responding to him up until your last sentence, and then changed gears and threw in a response to a completely different poster?

The entire thread is about whether the Bills can be the breakout offense of 2014. Saying EJ is a bottom 5 QB and naming only the Vikes as worse until Bridgewater takes over infers we have seen all there is to EJ. Story told. Right but guys like Bradford or Tannehill still have room for improvement right? Give me a break. <_<

As for your out of camp reports, he did throw a 99 yard TD the other day.

So now you've come full circle and are back to saying Mr Non Sequitur thinks the book is closed on EJ but the other guys have room for improvement? I'll let him explain it more if he wants to, but he didn't say either one of those things in those posts. You seem to be reading what you want to read.

You're correct in one regard- this thread is about the Bills possibly becoming the breakout offense this year, and as of right now, that seems very unlikely due to their QB play. You can debate whether there are two teams with a worse starting QB right now or 7, but the bottom line is there aren't many. Lol at your comeback to the camp reports, they've been bad overall regardless of one play. It would be shocking if EJ was in the top half of starting QBs this year, and you aren't going to be a breakout offense without that.

Why don't you let others have their own conversations? He needed your help? You must think you're pretty important!

Come full circle? Talk about reading into things how you want to. Jeez, another guy to block/ignore I guess.

 

[Chaka]

EJ is a bottom 5 starting QB right now. Maybe Vikings are worse until Bridgewater takes the reigns. Not a long list of teams IMO.

Miami, NYJ, Jax, Hou, Cleveland, Oakland, St. Louis, Tenn

Not a long list but none of the QBs on these teams have proven to be quality starters or even that they are better than EJ.

Lot of conjecture and opinion here. You really think EJ is light years ahead of what Cleveland has right now in Hoyer and Manziel? Jax just drafted a QB early and we won't see much of this year. EJ is better than Matt Schaub? 2 time Pro bowler with 3 different 4,000 yard passing seasons, really?

I wondered what folks would say about Bradford, much rather have Sammy over EJ but that's me and I don't think Sam Bradford is anywhere close to a top 10 NFL QB. I am talking NFL here not just FF.

That list, here is how I would rank.

1. Oakland-Matt Schaub has the most decorations of anyone here.

2. St Louis-Sam Bradford, despite the injuries and whatnot I think he has shown a lot more than EJ to this point.

3. Miami-Ryan Tannehill is entering year 3 and his problem is the OL more than his arm strength.

4. NY Jets-Geno Smith was a highly touted kid coming out Miami, FL and ends up in West Virginia. He tore it up plenty there but had a lot of detractors coming into the NFL. I don't feel Smith is garbage at all but I would like to see him eventually with a better offensive minded coach.

I would put Jax, Hou, and TN in the mix or discussion for bottom 5 but EJ and the Bills would also have a ticket at that same table. My opinion.

The only guy on the list who has done anything to prove himself is Schaub. However I think Schaub is done as a quality starter.

As for the rest, they are clumped together until they separate themselves. Throw in Minnesota too from your post quoted above. Throwing in the towel on EJ at this point though is funny to me.

Where did he say he's throwing in the towel on him? He simply said that he's a bottom 5 starter right now. Until he shows otherwise (and reports from camp haven't been good), I don't think that's much of a stretch.

Read the thread.

So you're saying you were responding to him up until your last sentence, and then changed gears and threw in a response to a completely different poster?

The entire thread is about whether the Bills can be the breakout offense of 2014. Saying EJ is a bottom 5 QB and naming only the Vikes as worse until Bridgewater takes over infers we have seen all there is to EJ. Story told. Right but guys like Bradford or Tannehill still have room for improvement right? Give me a break. <_<

As for your out of camp reports, he did throw a 99 yard TD the other day.

Where do you rank EJ today? How much upside do you see? Top 12? Top 10? Top 8? Higher?

 

[Mr Non Sequitur]

Where do you rank EJ today? How much upside do you see? Top 12? Top 10? Top 8? Higher?

Exactly, what are we debating here in 2014 re-draft? I'm comfortable with saying EJ not a strong candidate to break the top 20 this year. The guy avg 197 yds pass and 1 TD per game over 10 starts and he doesn't seem to be a running QB as those numbers were a very minor part of his game.

 

[Chaka]

Where do you rank EJ today? How much upside do you see? Top 12? Top 10? Top 8? Higher?

Exactly, what are we debating here in 2014 re-draft? I'm comfortable with saying EJ not a strong candidate to break the top 20 this year. The guy avg 197 yds pass and 1 TD per game over 10 starts and he doesn't seem to be a running QB as those numbers were a very minor part of his game.

He may not be much of a runner however with his size I think he is a threat to vulture a lot of rushing TDs at the goal line.

 

[humpback]

EJ is a bottom 5 starting QB right now. Maybe Vikings are worse until Bridgewater takes the reigns. Not a long list of teams IMO.

Miami, NYJ, Jax, Hou, Cleveland, Oakland, St. Louis, Tenn

Not a long list but none of the QBs on these teams have proven to be quality starters or even that they are better than EJ.

Lot of conjecture and opinion here. You really think EJ is light years ahead of what Cleveland has right now in Hoyer and Manziel? Jax just drafted a QB early and we won't see much of this year. EJ is better than Matt Schaub? 2 time Pro bowler with 3 different 4,000 yard passing seasons, really?

I wondered what folks would say about Bradford, much rather have Sammy over EJ but that's me and I don't think Sam Bradford is anywhere close to a top 10 NFL QB. I am talking NFL here not just FF.

That list, here is how I would rank.

1. Oakland-Matt Schaub has the most decorations of anyone here.

2. St Louis-Sam Bradford, despite the injuries and whatnot I think he has shown a lot more than EJ to this point.

3. Miami-Ryan Tannehill is entering year 3 and his problem is the OL more than his arm strength.

4. NY Jets-Geno Smith was a highly touted kid coming out Miami, FL and ends up in West Virginia. He tore it up plenty there but had a lot of detractors coming into the NFL. I don't feel Smith is garbage at all but I would like to see him eventually with a better offensive minded coach.

I would put Jax, Hou, and TN in the mix or discussion for bottom 5 but EJ and the Bills would also have a ticket at that same table. My opinion.

The only guy on the list who has done anything to prove himself is Schaub. However I think Schaub is done as a quality starter.

As for the rest, they are clumped together until they separate themselves. Throw in Minnesota too from your post quoted above. Throwing in the towel on EJ at this point though is funny to me.

Where did he say he's throwing in the towel on him? He simply said that he's a bottom 5 starter right now. Until he shows otherwise (and reports from camp haven't been good), I don't think that's much of a stretch.

Read the thread.

So you're saying you were responding to him up until your last sentence, and then changed gears and threw in a response to a completely different poster?

The entire thread is about whether the Bills can be the breakout offense of 2014. Saying EJ is a bottom 5 QB and naming only the Vikes as worse until Bridgewater takes over infers we have seen all there is to EJ. Story told. Right but guys like Bradford or Tannehill still have room for improvement right? Give me a break. <_<

As for your out of camp reports, he did throw a 99 yard TD the other day.

So now you've come full circle and are back to saying Mr Non Sequitur thinks the book is closed on EJ but the other guys have room for improvement? I'll let him explain it more if he wants to, but he didn't say either one of those things in those posts. You seem to be reading what you want to read.

You're correct in one regard- this thread is about the Bills possibly becoming the breakout offense this year, and as of right now, that seems very unlikely due to their QB play. You can debate whether there are two teams with a worse starting QB right now or 7, but the bottom line is there aren't many. Lol at your comeback to the camp reports, they've been bad overall regardless of one play. It would be shocking if EJ was in the top half of starting QBs this year, and you aren't going to be a breakout offense without that.

Why don't you let others have their own conversations? He needed your help? You must think you're pretty important!

Come full circle? Talk about reading into things how you want to. Jeez, another guy to block/ignore I guess.

If you want to have a conversation with only one other poster, try pm's. I was trying to clarify what was actually said because it seemed to have been a misunderstanding. After reading more of your posts, it's clear you simply like to argue and make stuff up.

 

[Jeff Vader]

I love pages devoted exclusively to two or three guys arguing idiot semantics and sidepoints in nestled quotes.

I wish we had more of them on this forum.

 

[ponchsox]

Absolutely not. You need a good QB before you can have a good offense.

 

[Raiderfan32904]

The weapons are there for this offense to break out. One game, one quarter isn't enough to write off EJ Manuel. Then again, he's 6'5" tall so it's not like he has height as an excuse for 3 batted down balls against 2 completions. And the other throws he missed looked bad. So not a lot of confidence in Manuel in retrospect and now I'm seriously re-thinking the premise of this thread and the OP's argument.

Maybe it's not too late to make a deal for Chase Daniel? Get on the horn with the KC Chiefs STAT. The weapons are there, the cupboard is stocked. Just need a competent QB to distribute the ball to the playmakers and this thread could get back on track.

 

[FUBAR]

The weapons are there for this offense to break out. One game, one quarter isn't enough to write off EJ Manuel. Then again, he's 6'5" tall so it's not like he has height as an excuse for 3 batted down balls against 2 completions. And the other throws he missed looked bad. So not a lot of confidence in Manuel in retrospect and now I'm seriously re-thinking the premise of this thread and the OP's argument.

Maybe it's not too late to make a deal for Chase Daniel? Get on the horn with the KC Chiefs STAT. The weapons are there, the cupboard is stocked. Just need a competent QB to distribute the ball to the playmakers and this thread could get back on track.

You must be a Mizzou fan.

 

[BlueDredSo]

The batted passes are somewhat his fault, but often times there's not much you can do about that. I'm willing to give him a pass on those for now. The ball almost intercepted was horrible - he should've seen that guy, and a few of his attempts seemed as though he wasn't looking anywhere else to throw the ball.

In my opinion though his deep throws looked pretty good. That overthrown ball to Watkins was only because he got held up a little bit, one more step and that was a TD. The endzone lob to Williams was also right there but Williams jumped too early. Should've been caught for a TD.

If EJ completes those 2 passes there'd be a lot more optimism right now. They should've let him play at least one more series.

 

[jurb26]

Quick take on the game last night.

Buf oline looks solid all around with decent depth.

Watkins was nonexistent. Looked like they were forcing the ball to Williams.

Manuel has a ways to go.

So, yeah, that's my initial over reactionary take.

 

[Shutout]

Was a little surprised by the batted balls. I know the Giants, when healthy, have that type of capability but was this an issue with Manuel last year?

I'm wondering because I seem to see a slight difference this year (in that one pre-season game of reference). It seems like the Bills are making a real effort to hit that quick screen to Watkins now but that type of play, in itself just begs for batted balls.

 

[MAC_32]

Was a little surprised by the batted balls. I know the Giants, when healthy, have that type of capability but was this an issue with Manuel last year?

I don't think it was, but when you lock onto your first option, and now that defenses have tape on it, it's something they're looking for.

 

[Jeff Vader]

The batted passes are somewhat his fault, but often times there's not much you can do about that. I'm willing to give him a pass on those for now. The ball almost intercepted was horrible - he should've seen that guy, and a few of his attempts seemed as though he wasn't looking anywhere else to throw the ball.

In my opinion though his deep throws looked pretty good. That overthrown ball to Watkins was only because he got held up a little bit, one more step and that was a TD. The endzone lob to Williams was also right there but Williams jumped too early. Should've been caught for a TD.

If EJ completes those 2 passes there'd be a lot more optimism right now. They should've let him play at least one more series.

Not really. The reason so many passes were batted down is the same reason that one pass was almost intercepted: the guy stares down his primary receiver like a ### #### high school QB. It's awful. He looks like he has zero understanding of the offense, as if he was a rookie just introduced to the NFL. But he's had a whole year in the system. He should know where all his receivers are and look off his prime target before throwing to him. Instead he takes the snap and stares straight at his #1 option waiting for him to get open. D lineman know where the ball is going and time the jump. Linebackers and D-backs know who's getting the ball and position themselves in the throwing lane. It's awful.

Granted, it's the first preseason game and there's four more to go. But this effort, combined with the dreadful reports from camp tell me that things do not look good for EJ and the Bills.

 

[Gottabesweet]

This thread just makes FBGs look silly #jinxed

 

[ImTheScientist]

This thread just makes FBGs look silly #jinxed

Im not saying they will be, but preseason just started.

 

[cstu]

The batted passes are somewhat his fault, but often times there's not much you can do about that. I'm willing to give him a pass on those for now. The ball almost intercepted was horrible - he should've seen that guy, and a few of his attempts seemed as though he wasn't looking anywhere else to throw the ball.

In my opinion though his deep throws looked pretty good. That overthrown ball to Watkins was only because he got held up a little bit, one more step and that was a TD. The endzone lob to Williams was also right there but Williams jumped too early. Should've been caught for a TD.

If EJ completes those 2 passes there'd be a lot more optimism right now. They should've let him play at least one more series.

Not really. The reason so many passes were batted down is the same reason that one pass was almost intercepted: the guy stares down his primary receiver like a ### #### high school QB. It's awful. He looks like he has zero understanding of the offense, as if he was a rookie just introduced to the NFL. But he's had a whole year in the system. He should know where all his receivers are and look off his prime target before throwing to him. Instead he takes the snap and stares straight at his #1 option waiting for him to get open. D lineman know where the ball is going and time the jump. Linebackers and D-backs know who's getting the ball and position themselves in the throwing lane. It's awful.

Granted, it's the first preseason game and there's four more to go. But this effort, combined with the dreadful reports from camp tell me that things do not look good for EJ and the Bills.

Two words: Eli Manning.

Had you told him after his 4th year that Eli would win 2 Super Bowls I would have

Experience has taught me to be patient with QB's and we all knew Manuel was raw coming in.

 

[humpback]

He doesn't even seem to do well in practice, it's hard to believe he's going to do well in the games.

 

[Clifford]

I'd certainly be open to the possibility

To me this is the FBG disease of favoring hope over facts and common sense. It's Waldman calling out James Casey as a potential top five Te just to buck conventional wisdom and choose a controversial edgy stance.

I think you have to consider the audience and the purpose of what you're doing. Do you really think that a team that loads up on bills has a better chance to win than a team that loads up on broncos or packers?

 

[lod01]

He doesn't even seem to do well in practice, it's hard to believe he's going to do well in the games.

When you are the starter and you stink in practice, it's a great sign that you will be awful in real games. I don't know why anyone would think Manuel could be an NFL caliber QB. It was an awful pick by Buffalo. They will stink as long as they hang onto this guy hoping he figures it out. I pretty much have ignored Buffalo players for the last decade.