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Covid and School This Fall (2 Viewers)
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parasaurolophus
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culdeus
Footballguy
I haven't seen a closing guideline documented at all. Anyone got a school that is willing to spell it out?
Sammy3469
Footballguy
NYC will restrict the kids in classroom for attending for 14 days if one kid gets it (not sure if that’s both the A and B pod or just the affected pod) and then close the school after the 2nd case. I’m not sure how that will actually work in practice or how the testing will be done or how middle/high schools will actually do it.
NYC is at a strange place where there are still just enough cases that there’s no way the high schools stay open long.
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Ilov80s
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Ilov80s
Footballguy
The tough part is at HS, what do you do if a kid is sick or tests positive? The kid was likely in 6 different classrooms with 120 different kids and those kids went out into 6 different rooms each with another 100 kids. If someone was spreading it, the vector covers the entire school very quickly.
Galileo
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Not that it is necessarily the correct answer, but our district has chosen to follow the county's health board which would require a quarantine of the positive case and anyone who has been in close contact. Here is the sketchy part...they define close contact as within 6 ft without a face mask for at least 15 minutes. If we are following our mask guidelines, I guess no one will ever meet this criteria.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Right, all our outlines we have seen from Wayne County only refer to people that the sick person lives with.
shadyridr
Footballguy
Well my initial impression when they were planning on opening schools was, if you are positive you stay home not shut down the entire class or school. If they planned on shutting down entire school I dont know why they even bother opening them in the first place. Its unrealistic to think a school will be covid free.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
That seems to be the plan where I am at. Only people with COVID or symptoms stay home of if you live with someone with those. There's like 6 different sets of protocol based on positive test, awaiting test results, have symptoms, live with someone with symptoms, etc. I just wonder, what's the number of positive cases in a school before the school gets closed? 2%? 5%? 10%? 20%? I am ready to go back and will do whatever the district plans. I am not looking forward to enforcing the wearing of masks, disciplining the kids who intentionally take them off to bother me or another student, what to do when kids cough on other kids to annoy them or a kid tells me another kid coughed on them, etc. Or a kid coughs in class a couple times and then do you send him to the office? Will the kid get pissed off, will the other kids get pissed if I don't. It's going to suck for the teachers and kids. I really feel bad for them.shadyridr said:
OrtonToOlsen
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rockaction
Footballguy
Telling line, and all one needs to know about our current predicament, our desire to work, to get back to normal:
But since when has this virus operated on our schedule?
Otis
Footballguy
Found out all our kids are going back full time. 3 year old is going to a private Catholic school, so no surprise there, but 6 and 9 year olds also going back full time. 9 year old surprised me. Bunch of documented cases in my town recently, and the minute you dump all these kids in school, I have zero doubt we’ll have an outbreak and be shut down by the end of September. We’ll see.
What a mess.
What a mess.
Otis
Footballguy
I don’t get it. I don’t get the outrage over keeping people safe. I mean, I know kids would rather be in school. And I know parents hate their kids and would rather other people watch them for free. But what the hell. This is for their well being. I just don’t get it. Unless people really believe this is a big leftist hoax???!
The Gator
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Its a tough read.
Its hard to see him struggling like this, even though he seems to have the support of the majority of parents in his district. Imagine the districts where the support is split - between in-person and remote - and having to be the superintendent who makes that call.
And, imagine the poor superintendent who takes his/her teachers into consideration - when the parents have a different view.
Let me clarify, I want my kids in school. While I don't think it's a hoax, I also take into consideration ALL aspects of this decision. And in my case, the feeling is the district didn't even explore options such as rotating a schedule, etc. My kids want to go back. My oldest is a senior. Yeah, I understand the risk and I'm ok with that. As are many other parents.
The Gator
Footballguy
What about the risks to teachers? Staff? Bus Drivers? Others in the community?
This is not about anyone who does not want their kids back at school. This is about - can we do that safely for everyone?
Otis
Footballguy
A handful of parents being OK with it isn’t the whole equation though. Because if you put all the kids back in school, you’re putting everyone at risk — including teachers, and other kids. And maybe those teachers, and those parents of other kids, aren’t OK with it.
You really can’t do this until it’s truly safe for the majority and everyone is on board. There’s too much “me” in so much of this, which is why we’re still in the situation we are in. People have to think bigger.
Otis
Footballguy
PS, all parents worry and we all want what’s best for our kids. I have a 4th grader who needs to be in school to continue to develop both scholastically and socially. She’s an incredibly bright kid and in the advanced programs and is missing out on a tremendous opportunity this year if she’s home. They’re sending her back, and we had an option to keep her home. Here in my county the cases are very small (less than 1%), so, even though we have the option to keep our kid home, I have to send her. Yes there’s risk. But I’m balancing everything and most important to me right now, believe it or not, is that she’ll be a social outcast if all her friends are in school and she’s out. So I’m counting on the professionals making a good choice here, and counting on them shutting it down the minute there’s an issue (which I think will be really fast, maybe I’m wrong). I’m glad on some level that she’s going back. Though if they had said they were doing remote, I probably would have been OK with that too, despite what she’d be missing out on.
The real travesty is all the sports nerds parents. My town is incredibly competitive and sports driven. What I see out on the school fields these days is appalling. Hundreds of kids in close quarters playing soccer etc., no masks, but worse yet, the parents in close quarters all yakking it up without masks. Idiots...
And this is why the economy is going to keep grinding to a halt and everyone is going to have to take more pain that we really need to. Because of a bunch of selfish idiots... sigh...
The real travesty is all the sports nerds parents. My town is incredibly competitive and sports driven. What I see out on the school fields these days is appalling. Hundreds of kids in close quarters playing soccer etc., no masks, but worse yet, the parents in close quarters all yakking it up without masks. Idiots...
And this is why the economy is going to keep grinding to a halt and everyone is going to have to take more pain that we really need to. Because of a bunch of selfish idiots... sigh...
shadyridr
Footballguy
Grace Under Pressure
Footballguy
Are you sending the kids to school in-person? I couldn’t tell, it seems like you are sending them but arguing against it.
We’re in Suffolk County, North Shore. My daughter will go in person (5th grade) until they inevitably shut it down.
In the pandemic, you do what you can until things get shut down/postponed, IMO.
I’m firmly a mask wearing, social distancing, keep things like bars and clubs shut down so the kids can have a life camp member.
In my community, I would argue most everyone IS on board. We have teachers who have requested to be in class.
My guess is you would be shocked if you asked parents their opinion on school. The majority want in person teaching. The problems are the lack of funding on every level, the fact we've never dealt with something like this and therefore, there is no "plan" and nobody seems to know how to create that plan.
Oh, and my kids and family are not reckless. We wear masks, keep our distance, etc. So don't group me or others who think differently than you into the group of people who go to the bar or parties, etc.
shadyridr
Footballguy
these same teachers are loving their summer breaks now at the beach, taking vacations, visiting family but the instant you ask them to go back to work all of a sudden they care about their safety.
Grace Under Pressure
Footballguy
I see this has been answered above. Rooting hard for all the kids on Long Island and elsewhere.
My roommate was offered a job at the same private University-based pre-school she taught at the last 2 years in Broward. That was 2 weeks ago, but now there aren't enough kids, so there's no job for her as she has the least seniority. About half of the parents are saying they'll wait until Jan 2021 to see what happens before putting their 3 and 4 year olds in pre-school. Multiple administrators were laid off a few weeks ago. With a reduced ratio of 8 kids per class, the jobs for those teachers who remain is tenous.
Otis
Footballguy
We’re sending her, until they shut it down, and I have no doubt that will happen. But I just can’t have her be an outcast and fall behind socially and keep her home while all the other kids go; obviously there are academic reasons to send her to. But we’re nervous about all of it. We see my parents with some frequency. Not sure we’ll be able to do that anymore, too risky.
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Otis
Footballguy
Some pretty harsh blanket criticism of the folks teaching our kids for basically minimum wage.
Otis
Footballguy
rockaction
Footballguy
This is an awful take. My brother is a teacher in a San Diego district, union rep, and wants to go back for the kids but realizes the safety concerns both for the teachers and the students. His thoughts are way more nuanced than this, and he's supposed to be an advocate. And they're not really on break because they're just as confused and worried about what they want to and can do as they are "taking a break."
Holy criminy.
rockaction
Footballguy
gosh darn the man holmes/HOV is back at it againCapella said:
Cold Dead Hands
Footballguy
You lift bro? Because that is a broad ####### brush you are using to paint this picture.
rockaction
Footballguy
I still love how this board censors g-damn with gosh darn. That's really obnoxiously quaint.
MAC_32
Footballguy
My wife's principal forced her to take this week off because she knew she wouldn't otherwise.
The summer break commentary annoyed me at first, but now I just laugh. It's my ignorance coping mechanism.
rockaction
Footballguy
My brother has actually had people come up to him (I've been there) and when he lets them know what he does, they've actually said "you get a lot of vacation and don't have to work very hard, don't you?" It's stunning the level of ignorance about the profession and how many hours they actually put in.
shadyridr
Footballguy
Just calling it like I see it. Facebook pics tell a lot.
Otis
Footballguy
Well in that case, your anecdotal experience with a couple teaches on Facebook must be representative of all teachers.
I always wonder about the entitled parents in my town who piss and moan about those stupid useless teachers who aren’t fixing the problem. I’m always sitting here thinking “wait, people really think this way?? This can’t be real.”
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Insoxicated
Not school butzz Camp in Georgia opened June 21st.
All campers and staff were required to provide negative test 12 days or less prior to attending. Cloth masks required for staff only.
By June 24th campers were testing positive. Camp had to be closed June 27th.
Over half the staff/kids were tested and 76% tested positive.
Median camper age: 12
Median staff age: 17
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6931e1.htm
All campers and staff were required to provide negative test 12 days or less prior to attending. Cloth masks required for staff only.
By June 24th campers were testing positive. Camp had to be closed June 27th.
Over half the staff/kids were tested and 76% tested positive.
Median camper age: 12
Median staff age: 17
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6931e1.htm
Otis
Footballguy
skol asylum
Footballguy
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Teaching is like any other large group of people. Some are really lazy, some whine a lot, some are dumb and some are all 3. I have no doubt some of my co-workers are spending a weekend at beach bachelorette party and then posting things to FB that it's too dangerous to return to school or complaining to their Union reps. I don't use Facebook, but most people who do aren't posting things like "It's my 120th straight day of quarantining" or "here is a picture of me taking another walk by myself." It will always be the worst behaved and most obnoxious that attract attention. Our fairly large union did a staff survey and it came out roughly like this:
25%: I do not want to return to in person school
25%: I want to return to in person school but I do have some big questions about safety and protocol that need to be answered
25%: I want to return to school now but that could change if the COVID cases increase in August
25%: I want to return to school in person no matter what.
I haven't see the parent survey results yet but I would image it breaks down pretty similar and I think as a whole, the union opinions are very reasonable.
25%: I do not want to return to in person school
25%: I want to return to in person school but I do have some big questions about safety and protocol that need to be answered
25%: I want to return to school now but that could change if the COVID cases increase in August
25%: I want to return to school in person no matter what.
I haven't see the parent survey results yet but I would image it breaks down pretty similar and I think as a whole, the union opinions are very reasonable.
seahawk 17
Footballguy
3rd grade son is in talented and gifted program. He lost his mind doing paper packets March through May because it was, "Baby work." With that being said, I am leaning towards keeping him home and doing online work. We can supplment some extra work to make it more challanging. I think schools will eventually shut down and the transition will be easier. If he is truly a brainiac he will still excel next year.
I don't think any answer is correct or the right one. Tough times to be a parent and a kid.
skol asylum
Footballguy
I acknowledge my bias when it comes to this virus that I err on the side of caution, but if I were a teacher...I just couldn't in good conscience support the school I worked at bringing kids back to the classroom and putting them in harm's way. What a mess. Can we get that vaccine yet?
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Terminalxylem
Footballguy
Why are you convinced she’ll be an instant outcast? Isn’t a large chunk of kid’s socialization online nowadays?
MAC_32
Footballguy
Terminalxylem
Footballguy
Fair enough. Maybe we need to improvise in the short-term, recognizing it’s not ideal, but necessary for overall societal benefit.
Terminalxylem
Footballguy
