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Cowboys Release TO (1 Viewer)

Sigmund Bloom said:
simmonjm said:
Miles Austin for the Cowboys should start producing. Had it not been for injuries he would have had better stats. He has already taken the WR #3 role from Crayton and if the Dallas offense can get back on track in 2009 Austin would be a great target. In 2007 Crayton as the #3 WR had something like 700 yards and 6 tds not bad at all for a guy who can be had on the WW. Also there is speculation that if Garrett returns to Dallas as OC it would signify the end for TO meaning Austin would take over as the #2 WR which would really increase his value, again this is just speculation though.
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Lots of good players brought up in this thread, but I want to second Austin in particular because he doesn't seem to have the same kind of awareness about him as some of the others because of his small school pedigree.Simmonjm is correct in pointing out that Austin had moved ahead of Crayton on the depth chart, and also that there is more opportunity in Dallas than you might think at first glance because TO's days are numbered (and quite frankly, Roy Williams looks like a bust).More important than opportunity and current depth chart status is Austin's talent and physical ability. He's always had a great size/speed combo, that's how he got his foot in the door even though he went to Monmouth. Through the first two years of his career, his outstanding athleticism and straight line speed for someone who goes about 6'3" 215 was apparent on kick returns, but what little chance he had to be a receiver showed a lack of natural ball skills and polish in his routes and execution. This year that all changed. Austin looked like a natural receiver bringing the ball in, losing none of his speed and agility (which would happen if he was thinking instead of just doing). His routes were sharp and his timing was on point. I believe he turned the corner, and the coaching staff seemed to agree when they promoted him. He's a real threat to take any catch the distance (just as he did as a kick returner), and he's still just learning how to use his natural size advantage.Even though Austin looks like a future starting WR (and a good one at that), he's still very much under the radar in the FF community. That will change in 2009, don't let him sit on your WW.
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burd said:
is it possible that TO actually quits the game and walks into the sunset quietly? ... doubtful. i think it goes against his instincts to just quit, but at this point in his career, I just don't see him joining ANOTHER franchise, learn their verbage, obey(or not) coach's rules, get along w/ team mates, etc.unless the right situation comes up (Indy, NE, SD, NYG), he's not going to a Cincy or some other rebuilding team.my guess is that he retires ...
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I'd push all my chips into the middle of the table and bet that this doesn't happen.Love him or hate him T.O. plays for his place in history. He's not going to walk away from adding on numbers to his Hall of Fame career. That's also why he'll never sign with New England. As he views Moss as his only competition to being the 2nd greatest statistical WR of All Time.My personal Top 3 Landing Spots for T.O.:1. Jags - Garrard will finally get his big play WR.2. Chargers - I see the Chargers as making a big 1 year push for the SB. Usually teams have a 1 year Honeymoon with T.O.3. Vikes/Bears - Either of these teams would jump to the head of their Division with Owens in the fold.Honorable Mention: Ravens, Broncos (1 year replacement for a suspended Marshall) and Titans.Edited to add: These are places I see him having the most impact. Not necessarily the most plausible places.
 
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Jags have said they're not going to be be signing any big free agents after burning thru cash last offseason. They're in rebuild mode.

Besides, Jacksonville is waaayy too small of a stage for TO.

 
biggamer3 said:
Honestly as a GMEN fan i would welcome Owens.He knows they are a great team without him and one infraction he will be cut.If he comes to NY he would be on best behavior
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As he was in S.F. once Rice was gone. And in Baltimore during his cup of coffee stopover, and in Philly, and in Dallas.
 
When he signed in Dallas the fans, almost with one voice proclaimed how it would be different there, and that anyone who said otherwise was a hater.

Now I find no Dallas fans who even remember tht they had once said so.

Predictable really, and not wholly unique to Dallas fans.

I love that of all the speculation so far in this thread that I have seen no speculation that he might latch on with my favorite team.

 
Bob Magaw said:
Jeff Pasquino said:
Three words - New. York. Giants.1. Plaxico is unlikely to escape legal / league issues.2. TO will want to play for a contender.3. TO will now have a chance to "stick it" to both Dallas and Philly twice a year for each.4. TO goes to an NFC team that is poised for a playoff run.5. New York City - media capital of the United States and the NFL. It makes too much sense, and look for Drew Rosenhaus to be talking with the Giants by Friday.
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that is some compelling logic, & i agree with all the points... the one you left out is coughlin is a stern disciplinarian & TO is a loose cannon, so in that respect, not exactly a match made in heaven... also, do they have the cap room, after signing canty & boley... wherever he goes it will by definition almost have to be incentive-laden... maybe he will be OK with that, since he is a confident (bordering on cocky) dude...* coughlin came aboard in 2004 & plaxico a year later... & though i think he had a rep for being flaky with PIT, not sure if he was as known AT THAT TIME for being the malcontent & troublemaker he has evolved into? also, not sure that was coughlin's call in 2005 (was accorsi there than, & did he call the shots in the war room... not sure how much input, if any, coughlin had then... giants homers, chime in please?)...i really liked your point 3 above, not sure if EBF was the first to mention WAS... it would also of course satisfy the criteria of sticking it to PHI & DAL twice a year EACH... though they just signed haynesworth to one of the biggest contracts in league history...
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Put me down in the TO to NYG camp, makes a lot of sense, and TC can whip around anyone including TO...they controlled Plax behind the scenes...TO doesn't run around night clubs as much and while he is a loudmouth you rarely hear about him causing a stir out in public. They put the language in the contract about fines and how they are handled, don't give too much guaranteed money, Giants become the front runner to be the 3rd team this decade with multiple SB wins.
 
I am in the minority here but I actually think this move will help the offense. (not necessarily in total points or yards but in consistency) The struggles last year seemed to be driven from Owens making noise to get the ball more, them trying to force the ball to him more and having miscues because of it. I expect the offense to be able to game plan how they want to and not feel like they have to get Owens the ball. They should be able to be more consistent week in and week out.

 
DWidmar said:
I am in the minority here but I actually think this move will help the offense. (not necessarily in total points or yards but in consistency) The struggles last year seemed to be driven from Owens making noise to get the ball more, them trying to force the ball to him more and having miscues because of it. I expect the offense to be able to game plan how they want to and not feel like they have to get Owens the ball. They should be able to be more consistent week in and week out.
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The problem with your theory is that teams had to game plan for TO. At this point people will stack the line to prevent the run and make Romo beat them. Romo has a habit of not being able to get the job done. So this will cost the Cowboys a playoff spot.. again. Romo is not the QB that the media has made him out to be and it will be seen this year.If you get rid of your best WR it does not make you a better team. Plus if you believe that TO was the only one that had issues with Romo I think your wrong. Remember it was not just TO that went to the Garrett about the Witten/Romo issue. '
 
Ministry of Pain said:
Bob Magaw said:
Jeff Pasquino said:
Three words - New. York. Giants.

1. Plaxico is unlikely to escape legal / league issues.

2. TO will want to play for a contender.

3. TO will now have a chance to "stick it" to both Dallas and Philly twice a year for each.

4. TO goes to an NFC team that is poised for a playoff run.

5. New York City - media capital of the United States and the NFL.

It makes too much sense, and look for Drew Rosenhaus to be talking with the Giants by Friday.
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that is some compelling logic, & i agree with all the points... the one you left out is coughlin is a stern disciplinarian & TO is a loose cannon, so in that respect, not exactly a match made in heaven... also, do they have the cap room, after signing canty & boley... wherever he goes it will by definition almost have to be incentive-laden... maybe he will be OK with that, since he is a confident (bordering on cocky) dude...* coughlin came aboard in 2004 & plaxico a year later... & though i think he had a rep for being flaky with PIT, not sure if he was as known AT THAT TIME for being the malcontent & troublemaker he has evolved into? also, not sure that was coughlin's call in 2005 (was accorsi there than, & did he call the shots in the war room... not sure how much input, if any, coughlin had then... giants homers, chime in please?)...

i really liked your point 3 above, not sure if EBF was the first to mention WAS... it would also of course satisfy the criteria of sticking it to PHI & DAL twice a year EACH... though they just signed haynesworth to one of the biggest contracts in league history...
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Put me down in the TO to NYG camp, makes a lot of sense, and TC can whip around anyone including TO...they controlled Plax behind the scenes...TO doesn't run around night clubs as much and while he is a loudmouth you rarely hear about him causing a stir out in public. They put the language in the contract about fines and how they are handled, don't give too much guaranteed money, Giants become the front runner to be the 3rd team this decade with multiple SB wins.



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I've heard this from some fans before, but I can't place when or where. Be careful what you wish for...
 
Ditkaless Wonders said:
When he signed in Dallas the fans, almost with one voice proclaimed how it would be different there, and that anyone who said otherwise was a hater.Now I find no Dallas fans who even remember tht they had once said so.Predictable really, and not wholly unique to Dallas fans.I love that of all the speculation so far in this thread that I have seen no speculation that he might latch on with my favorite team.
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Well, he doesn't play the 3-4 D. And he's a free agent, Green Bay doesn't know how to sign those.
 
RJS113 said:
I think he ends up in Indy or Minnesota.
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Sorry to jump on you, but this is the 3rd post in the first 2 pages commenting that the Vikes are a logical landing spot. Just stop this nonsense. Remember the circumstances surrounding Owens' dispute with Philly, and the OC he would not speak to... Childress. Minnesota is the LEAST likely landing spot for Owens.
 
greenroom said:
DWidmar said:
I am in the minority here but I actually think this move will help the offense. (not necessarily in total points or yards but in consistency) The struggles last year seemed to be driven from Owens making noise to get the ball more, them trying to force the ball to him more and having miscues because of it. I expect the offense to be able to game plan how they want to and not feel like they have to get Owens the ball. They should be able to be more consistent week in and week out.
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The problem with your theory is that teams had to game plan for TO. At this point people will stack the line to prevent the run and make Romo beat them. Romo has a habit of not being able to get the job done. So this will cost the Cowboys a playoff spot.. again. Romo is not the QB that the media has made him out to be and it will be seen this year.If you get rid of your best WR it does not make you a better team. Plus if you believe that TO was the only one that had issues with Romo I think your wrong. Remember it was not just TO that went to the Garrett about the Witten/Romo issue. '
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Teams did have to game plan for TO but Dallas wasn't and isn't a one trick pony (although that is what TO wanted) Witten is still a stud and if teams crowd the line he will and has consistently proven that he can get open and deliver when needed. Big playmaker for the Cowboys. I agree Romo hasn't delivered in the playoffs but he has proven in the regular season he is more than capable of getting the job done. Unfortunately he has to be able to change that because it ultimately doesnt do anything for the team getting it done in the regular season and not the playoffs. He is capable of doing it though and several really good qb's struggled for a few years in the playoffs before they turned it around so I am not worried about that yet. (but I am starting to...)TO demanded the ball, IMO he was the one who made the other WR's complain about Witten/Romo. I saw no evidence of Roy Williams ever complaining about getting the ball while in Detroit. (could be a bad thing he didnt) I am not sure what to make of Roy Williams at this point but I do believe he will still get teams focusing on him. He may not be a stud like TO but I believe he will be solid enough to make teams aware of him. If not by name only.
 
I could see him going to Atlanta. Isn't that where he's from? He's not going to a place with a bad QB, so I doubt he would want to go to Washington or Minny.

 
First off, kudos to the Cowboys. This was the only correct move. TO is good, but he was a cancer. Look for Dallas to come together and have great chemistry which should lead them well into the playoffs.

I'm betting on New York Giants, Oakland, New England, Minnesota or Seattle as his next stop.

 
Couch Potato said:
The TO whining about Romo favoring Witten was bad enough, but even after the fallout from that, his decision to have this stupid reality show .
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:excited: OH MAN! There went my must see TV for the summer...hopefully the show follows T.O....Also, I don't see anyway he ends up on a disciplined team like MIA, a rebuilding team, or a recently-stung team like NYG.

There are probably only a couple of landing spots for him, that include crazy money and idiots that think he'll help...OAK, MIN come to mind.

 
QUEZILLA said:
I could see him going to Atlanta. Isn't that where he's from? He's not going to a place with a bad QB, so I doubt he would want to go to Washington or Minny.
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no way. not after the last few years. they want clean, no headache players and coaches. see matt ryan.
 
im thinking that this team is gonna run alot this year with those 3 backs. takes some pressure off romo. TO probably wouldntve liked that game plan. this move should help the team quite a bit.

 
As much as it pains me, I see him getting signed by the Giants in short order. And then I see Plax being free to sign elsewhere [maybe the Vikings?].

I'm hoping I'm wrong and we can get TO out of the darn NFC East.

 
Minnesota: Owens clashed repeatedly with Vikings coach Brad Childress when the pair were in Philadelphia. According to an oft-repeated but possibly apocryphal story, Owens told Childress not to speak to him during his final season with the Eagles. Childress responded by going out of his way to say "Hi," to Owens every day. It would be a stunner if the pair reunited.

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Vikings could definitely use a WR of Owens ability, but Childress holds grudges and Owens wouldn't like playing on a run first team where he's only going to be able to drop so many passes thanks to the limited amount of passes coming his way. The Vikings could update their offensive plan around having Berrian/Owens/Rice/ Shiancoe, but it's just not likely given what went down in Philly.
 
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Raider Nation said:
Didn't T.O. insult Baltimore in some way the last time he was a FA? I wonder if Ray Ray would be in his corner again.
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After TO and his agent missed the deadline to submit his FA paperwork, SF still held the right to trade him. He then seemed to agree in principle to be traded to Balitimore. When he realized he could get more money from PHI, he balked. He was actually called by Ozzie and Billick in what was going to be a 'welcome to the Ravens' call right as the trade was to be announced, and he said 'talk to my agent.' He and his agent filed a grievance about the NFL not informing everyone of the changed date for filing FA paperwork, and the NFL granted him his Free Agency...so he was free to go to PHI.He would not be welcome in BAL...by the owners, staff or team.
 
greenroom said:
DWidmar said:
I am in the minority here but I actually think this move will help the offense. (not necessarily in total points or yards but in consistency) The struggles last year seemed to be driven from Owens making noise to get the ball more, them trying to force the ball to him more and having miscues because of it. I expect the offense to be able to game plan how they want to and not feel like they have to get Owens the ball. They should be able to be more consistent week in and week out.
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The problem with your theory is that teams had to game plan for TO. At this point people will stack the line to prevent the run and make Romo beat them. Romo has a habit of not being able to get the job done. So this will cost the Cowboys a playoff spot.. again. Romo is not the QB that the media has made him out to be and it will be seen this year.If you get rid of your best WR it does not make you a better team. Plus if you believe that TO was the only one that had issues with Romo I think your wrong. Remember it was not just TO that went to the Garrett about the Witten/Romo issue. '
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There are a lot of successful teams out there who are highly successful without a stud WR1. Pittsburgh doesnt has a TO type WR and they won the superbowl. Neither does Tenn, Jets, Dophins, Ravens and they were all playoff teams. Is is all about creating mismatches with your players in your game plan. With TO you are forced to put him in your game plan to keep him happy, with out him, you create your plan how you want to and exploit certain match ups.
 
Mike Florio of ProFootballTalk was just on a local talk show and he predicts the Washington Redskins will land TO.

"Snyder gets who he wants."

Podcast will be up on www.wjfk.com later today or on itunes under the Junkies tab.

 
PewterFan said:
I'm betting on New York Giants, Oakland, New England, Minnesota or Seattle as his next stop.
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Black said:
There are probably only a couple of landing spots for him, that include crazy money and idiots that think he'll help...OAK, MIN come to mind.
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Just WOW.
Childress testifies that, as contrasted with the first year of their relationship, Owens was incommunicative. From the first time they met in training camp that second year, he says, he was met “with nothing, no response, just kind of a straight-ahead stare.? Childress continued to greet the Player for some seven or eight nights until Owens, at one point, said: “Why do you talk to me? I don’t talk to you. You don’t talk to me. There’s no reason for you to talk to me."
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QUEZILLA said:
I could see him going to Atlanta. Isn't that where he's from? He's not going to a place with a bad QB, so I doubt he would want to go to Washington or Minny.
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Alabama. Went to college on the Georgia boarder. Lives in Atlanta now. Has begged the Falcons before. Atlanta is set at WR and no way Artie Blank puts up with his stuff..

 
I have to echo Big Jim's incredulity over the Minnesota talk. For as rough as Reid and TO's relationship was in people's minds, TO had a far more tenuous relationship with Childress; literally refusing to speak to him at practice at times, which resulted in Reid making TO go do laps on an adjacent field. TO has a history of taking issue with the OC/play-callers and Childress and he were acidic to one another, at best.

He's not coming to Minnesota folks.

 
Anyone who takes him now is just stupid imo.

Addition by subtraction for Dallas. I believe they surprise people this year. I like the fact that everyone will downgrade Romo in FF drafts.

 
Oof! said:
Walton Goggins said:
Oof! said:
Walton Goggins said:
Horrible move by the Cowboys
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An excellent and necessary move by Dallas. I don't think you understand what you're talking about.
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I know exactly what I'm talking about...he was in the bottom 5 of the Cowboys' problems.
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Hyperbole. He is a big ### problem who is no longer a problem. Good riddance.
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Yea, always a great move to just dump your best offensive player. It's going to be grand seeing them tank this year. Their WR core now completely sucks. The WR they should have cut should have been Williams whose a total bust and can't even pick up their system.
 
Likely landing spots:

Washington, NYJ, New England, Oakland, TB

I can't see Minny because of Childress and Love Boat.

Can't see Tenn because of Pacman

Can't see NYG because of Plaxico. They don't need more headaches. And does anyone think Eli will do well with TO given how he did with Shockey?

Can't see Denver as they're trying to help Cutler, not hurt him. Plus, he'd be a "progress stopper" to Marshall and Royal.

Can't see Atl because of Vick.

 
With TO gone, Dallas likely starts Austin opposite Roy. Crayton remains WR3. Austin had surpassed Crayton on the depth chart this past season. I will say that it would not surprise me to see them mix and match these 2 for matchups. But, assuming health, Austin is the #2 ahead of Crayton.

 
Tyrion said:
fsufan said:
Walton Goggins said:
Oof! said:
Walton Goggins said:
Horrible move by the Cowboys
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An excellent and necessary move by Dallas. I don't think you understand what you're talking about.
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I know exactly what I'm talking about...he was in the bottom 5 of the Cowboys' problems.
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i heard Mort say a while back that the Cowboys locker room was the most dis-functional locker room he has ever seen is his career covering the NFL.
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I heard Mort say that Matt Jones (WR for the Jags)was the most explosive player he had ever seen in the draft and that any team that passed on him in the first round would live to regret it. Let's just say that the man can be prone to exaggeration.
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Do you think evaluating talent is the same thing as evaluating locker room "chemistry"?
 
DWidmar said:
greenroom said:
DWidmar said:
I am in the minority here but I actually think this move will help the offense. (not necessarily in total points or yards but in consistency) The struggles last year seemed to be driven from Owens making noise to get the ball more, them trying to force the ball to him more and having miscues because of it. I expect the offense to be able to game plan how they want to and not feel like they have to get Owens the ball. They should be able to be more consistent week in and week out.
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The problem with your theory is that teams had to game plan for TO. At this point people will stack the line to prevent the run and make Romo beat them. Romo has a habit of not being able to get the job done. So this will cost the Cowboys a playoff spot.. again. Romo is not the QB that the media has made him out to be and it will be seen this year.If you get rid of your best WR it does not make you a better team. Plus if you believe that TO was the only one that had issues with Romo I think your wrong. Remember it was not just TO that went to the Garrett about the Witten/Romo issue. '
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There are a lot of successful teams out there who are highly successful without a stud WR1. Pittsburgh doesnt has a TO type WR and they won the superbowl. Neither does Tenn, Jets, Dophins, Ravens and they were all playoff teams. Is is all about creating mismatches with your players in your game plan. With TO you are forced to put him in your game plan to keep him happy, with out him, you create your plan how you want to and exploit certain match ups.
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Someone call the Jets and tell them they made the playoffs.
 
jaybebo said:
biggamer3 said:
Honestly as a GMEN fan i would welcome Owens.He knows they are a great team without him and one infraction he will be cut.If he comes to NY he would be on best behavior
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He was on his best behavior in Dallas until last year.
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He was always in the news while Parcells was coach, including the overdose issue. He wasn't causing turmoil with the players, (that got any publicity that I remember anyway) but he was still an issue.
 
Jeff Pasquino said:
Three words - New. York. Giants.

1. Plaxico is unlikely to escape legal / league issues.

2. TO will want to play for a contender.

3. TO will now have a chance to "stick it" to both Dallas and Philly twice a year for each.

4. TO goes to an NFC team that is poised for a playoff run.

5. New York City - media capital of the United States and the NFL.

It makes too much sense, and look for Drew Rosenhaus to be talking with the Giants by Friday.
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As a Giants fan, I just threw up in my mouth a little. :rolleyes: Edit to add: Due to cap concerns and Coughlin's style, I see the Redskins as a likelier landing spot.

 
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Walton Goggins said:
The problem wasn't TO it was GM Jerry Jones.
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You were close .. I fixed it.Owens is being made the scape goat for the dissapointing season , brought on by injuries to the Secondary and the lack of prodution from the backup QB postion (which was not hard to predict going into the season.)

Leaving 9 million out there just to eliminate TO's persona is a horrible decision with for a team with enough talent to win the NFC.

 
I think Tampa will panic and bring him there since :

a) They need a WR desperately

b) They're way under the cap

c) They'll figure Raheem Morris will be better suited to communicate with TO as a young, African-American coach.

 
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