Cowher or Schottenheimer in TB in 08/09? (1 Viewer)

[DenverBuc]

A friend of mine and I were talking about what could happen in Tampa Bay should the Bucs struggle or prove to be thoroughly mediocre this year.

If they did poorly, it is entirely possible that the Bucs could part ways with Gruden. That got us to wondering - if so, who could the Bucs land to coach the team?

Could Cowher be a possibility?

What about Schottenheimer?

Any thoughts?

 

[NYGus]

Cowher is coming to the Giants in 08 (or possibly Cleveland if Romeo doesn't fare well this season.)

Maybe Marty will go back to KC after the Chiefs go 3-13 under Herm Edwards.

I think TB will be decent enough to save Chucky's gig for another year.

 

[JoeSteeler]

Cowher is coming to the Giants in 08 (or possibly Cleveland if Romeo doesn't fare well this season.)Maybe Marty will go back to KC after the Chiefs go 3-13 under Herm Edwards. I think TB will be decent enough to save Chucky's gig for another year.

I really don't see Cowher in Cleveland. I think he would want full power (HC/GM) and I don't see the Browns letting Savage go.

 

[switz]

A friend of mine and I were talking about what could happen in Tampa Bay should the Bucs struggle or prove to be thoroughly mediocre this year.If they did poorly, it is entirely possible that the Bucs could part ways with Gruden. That got us to wondering - if so, who could the Bucs land to coach the team?Could Cowher be a possibility?What about Schottenheimer?Any thoughts?

I don't think Gruden is out of a job after this season. Garcia wil save his derriere. No pun intended.

 

[DLeo]

Better puit Parcells name in this one as he ahs always been wanted in TB and has stated he is not done yet I would think he would like a team closer to winning it all. Cowher would have the inside track as he will be able to just about pick his job come next year.

 

[Jason Wood]

Cowher just built a palace in North Carolina. I think it's Carolina or bust in '08 or '09 for him.

As to Schottenheimer? Ugh...why go down that road again? What's he going to do with that team that Gruden can't? Lose a few playoff games?

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

Cowher just built a palace in North Carolina. I think it's Carolina or bust in '08 or '09 for him.As to Schottenheimer? Ugh...why go down that road again? What's he going to do with that team that Gruden can't? Lose a few playoff games?

I don't understand all the hate for Schottenheimer. He's proven to be right up there with Parcells in terms of being a turnaround artist. Sure he has come up short in the playoffs, but that used to be a knock against Cowher as well.If I had a piss poor team and wanted to turn it around in a hurry, Schotty and Parcells would be on my short list of candidates.

 

[KellysHeroes]

Cowher is coming to the Giants in 08 (or possibly Cleveland if Romeo doesn't fare well this season.)

The NY media wants him... thats for sure. The team would have to be totally rebuilt for his coaching style... and Plax would have to go, and maybe Shockey.

 

[Sleeper 43]

If Cowher comes back it going be on his terms. He wants to retire in NC , my money's on Carolina if Fox doesn't make the playoffs this season.

 

[omahabrad]

I can see Marty going back to cleveland.

Fox going to the Giants and

Cowher going to Carolina or washington.

 

[BGP]

The general belief in Cleveland is that Romeo Crennel needs to finish at least 8-8 this season to keep his job. So many feel the job will open. And if that occurs, the Browns will probably blame the lean years on the fact that they never hire head coaches with prior head coaching experience in the NFL. They would prefer a veteran head coach. And either Marty Schottenheimer or Bill Cowher would be a good fit in that scenario.

I am high on the Bucs in 2007. In fact, I picked them as a playoff team. So I don't see John Gruden losing his job. However, if Gruden does get fired, Gruden HIMSELF would ALSO be a good fit for the Browns as someone with previous head coaching experience.

 

[BGP]

If Cowher comes back it going be on his terms. He wants to retire in NC , my money's on Carolina if Fox doesn't make the playoffs this season.

I can't see John Fox getting canned.

 

[omahabrad]

If Cowher comes back it going be on his terms. He wants to retire in NC , my money's on Carolina if Fox doesn't make the playoffs this season.

I can't see John Fox getting canned.

I think the Giants might ask what Carolina would want in return for Fox.

 

[Jason Wood]

Giants fans want Cowher in the worst way...I wouldn't rule it out. Depends how serious he is about taking a job for the $$$$. My only question is whether he would want more control this time out, which seems unlikely with a new GM in place in NY trying to make a name for himself.

 

[BGP]

If Cowher comes back it going be on his terms. He wants to retire in NC , my money's on Carolina if Fox doesn't make the playoffs this season.

I can't see John Fox getting canned.

I think the Giants might ask what Carolina would want in return for Fox.

I still think it would be dumb to dump Fox. Fox has done a lot of good with that franchise. He's only been there 5 years and has a 5-2 career playoff record. You'd have to tell me something like he is in a nasty feud with someone in the front office to get me to believe they'd get of him. Or maybe the Panther brass aren't too bright?

 

[BGP]

Giants fans want Cowher in the worst way...I wouldn't rule it out. Depends how serious he is about taking a job for the $$$$. My only question is whether he would want more control this time out, which seems unlikely with a new GM in place in NY trying to make a name for himself.

Its also been said that Browns owner Randy Lerner wants Bill Cowher in the worst way, and would hand him a huge paycheck to bring him to Cleveland.

 

[BGP]

If I had to handicap this:

Cowher to the Browns
Gruden stays with the Buccaneers.
Schottenheimer to the Giants.

 

[Jason Wood]

Giants fans want Cowher in the worst way...I wouldn't rule it out. Depends how serious he is about taking a job for the $$$$. My only question is whether he would want more control this time out, which seems unlikely with a new GM in place in NY trying to make a name for himself.

Its also been said that Browns owner Randy Lerner wants Bill Cowher in the worst way, and would hand him a huge paycheck to bring him to Cleveland.

That's another logical stop...as an Eagles fan I would much prefer that move than his taking over the Gints.

 

[omahabrad]

If Cowher comes back it going be on his terms. He wants to retire in NC , my money's on Carolina if Fox doesn't make the playoffs this season.

I can't see John Fox getting canned.

I think the Giants might ask what Carolina would want in return for Fox.

I still think it would be dumb to dump Fox. Fox has done a lot of good with that franchise. He's only been there 5 years and has a 5-2 career playoff record. You'd have to tell me something like he is in a nasty feud with someone in the front office to get me to believe they'd get of him. Or maybe the Panther brass aren't too bright?

You're correct on what you are saying. I think Fox is a great coach,too. That's why I think Giants make a play for him. And Carolina gets rid of him if only they think cowher is a better coach. And since this whole thread is just speculation and rumors, that is what I'm doing, just speculating.

 

[BGP]

If Cowher comes back it going be on his terms. He wants to retire in NC , my money's on Carolina if Fox doesn't make the playoffs this season.

I can't see John Fox getting canned.

I think the Giants might ask what Carolina would want in return for Fox.

I still think it would be dumb to dump Fox. Fox has done a lot of good with that franchise. He's only been there 5 years and has a 5-2 career playoff record. You'd have to tell me something like he is in a nasty feud with someone in the front office to get me to believe they'd get of him. Or maybe the Panther brass aren't too bright?

You're correct on what you are saying. I think Fox is a great coach,too. That's why I think Giants make a play for him. And Carolina gets rid of him if only they think cowher is a better coach. And since this whole thread is just speculation and rumors, that is what I'm doing, just speculating.

The only positive I can see in trading Fox and getting Cowher is that Cowher is actually YOUNGER than Fox. Cowher became head coach of the Steelers at age 35. He is only 50 right now. Its not a stretch to think he could coach another 10-15 years. But even then, its only a two-year age difference.

 

[Jason Wood]

If Cowher comes back it going be on his terms. He wants to retire in NC , my money's on Carolina if Fox doesn't make the playoffs this season.

I can't see John Fox getting canned.

I think the Giants might ask what Carolina would want in return for Fox.

I still think it would be dumb to dump Fox. Fox has done a lot of good with that franchise. He's only been there 5 years and has a 5-2 career playoff record. You'd have to tell me something like he is in a nasty feud with someone in the front office to get me to believe they'd get of him. Or maybe the Panther brass aren't too bright?

You're correct on what you are saying. I think Fox is a great coach,too. That's why I think Giants make a play for him. And Carolina gets rid of him if only they think cowher is a better coach. And since this whole thread is just speculation and rumors, that is what I'm doing, just speculating.

Don't you think you might be using the term "great" a little loosely? I mean, if Fox is the benchmark for greatness, half the league's coaches could have cases made.44-36 in five seasons2 winning seasons in 52 playoff appearances in 5I mean he's good, but "great?"

 

[BigRed]

I don't get why a HC would "retire" then suddenly "unretire" w/another team. If you want to take a break from coaching, why not just say "I quit?" Is there some contractual loophole that is in their favor by allegedly retiring?

 

[Godsbrother]

There have been rumors in Pittsburgh that Cowher might be headed to Washington next season. It seems as likely as any other place mentioned.

 

[Jason Wood]

There have been rumors in Pittsburgh that Cowher might be headed to Washington next season. It seems as likely as any other place mentioned.

I'm not saying you're wrong, but why would Cowher want to leave an owner that left him alone and was the epitome of loyal for an owner that's meddling, always looking for the next great thing and has been, to date, a horrendous personnel executive?

 

[netnalp]

I'm hoping for Cowher & Lance Briggs as G-men nxt season.

 

[Godsbrother]

There have been rumors in Pittsburgh that Cowher might be headed to Washington next season. It seems as likely as any other place mentioned.

I'm not saying you're wrong, but why would Cowher want to leave an owner that left him alone and was the epitome of loyal for an owner that's meddling, always looking for the next great thing and has been, to date, a horrendous personnel executive?

The rumor was reported on WTAE-TV in Pittsburgh. I am not saying it will happen just saying what I've heard. As for reasons to leave Pittsburgh for Washington the main reason would be . If Synder wants Cowher he would certainly outbid the Rooneys.

 

[BoltBacker]

If I had a piss poor team and wanted to turn it around in a hurry, Schotty and Parcells would be on my short list of candidates.

I don't think TB is a piss poor team so Marty might be a bad fit. He'd be a much better fit for a team like DET/ARZ/OAK that would be elated to just make the playoffs at this point. I don't understand why those teams aren't chasing Marty right now. Let him build a solid playoff team(SD was more than just solid when Marty left) and a few shots in the playoffs.... if it doesn't work out bring in someone to try and take that playoff team to the next step. There's really no doubt in my mind that Marty is going to transform just about any team into an 11-win team in three years or less. He's proven it in his coaching career up to this point.

 

[Obie Wan]

I don't get why a HC would "retire" then suddenly "unretire" w/another team. If you want to take a break from coaching, why not just say "I quit?" Is there some contractual loophole that is in their favor by allegedly retiring?

Pittsburgh will argue that Cowher still owes them 1 year of service since he "retired" before fulfilling his contract.Thus, they will have a say in where he goes because they will demand compensation to release him from the last year of his contract.Thus, an NFC team would be a much more likely destination.

 

[Papa Schnay]

I don't get why a HC would "retire" then suddenly "unretire" w/another team. If you want to take a break from coaching, why not just say "I quit?" Is there some contractual loophole that is in their favor by allegedly retiring?

Pittsburgh will argue that Cowher still owes them 1 year of service since he "retired" before fulfilling his contract.Thus, they will have a say in where he goes because they will demand compensation to release him from the last year of his contract.Thus, an NFC team would be a much more likely destination.

panthers would fit this role

 

[streamkeeper]

I still maintain Bill left because he will make more money by sitting down for a year and picking up a new contract. He also did what he wanted to do in Pittsburgh.

Fox will stay in Carolina unless he completly blows this season. He is solid. I could see how the Giants might bargan for him as suggested above. It woud leave Carolina in an interesting place to talk with Bill. Those would be interesting dominos to watch fall..

I think he ends up in Washington. Snyder will pay him better than anyone and surround him with coaches that will diminish his responsibilities.

I lived in Raleigh while in college. People are forgetting that Washington is only about a hour farther away from Raleigh than Charlotte is.

In the NFL there is only one reason to leave the head coaching job of the Pittsburgh Steelers and it is money.

Bill gets his pay day in DC next season. Mark it down.

 

[QUEZILLA]

I think Gruden can go 8-8, and possibly even 7-9 & still keep his job. Remember, Gruden is the Glazers guy. Back when Rich McKay wanted to hire Marv Louis they went and worked a deal behind his back with Al Davis. I think they realize how screwed up our cap has been, and JG hasn't really had much to work with. You really can't question the guys work ethic, he is in the office at 4:00 am.

 

[BGP]

If Cowher comes back it going be on his terms. He wants to retire in NC , my money's on Carolina if Fox doesn't make the playoffs this season.

I can't see John Fox getting canned.

I think the Giants might ask what Carolina would want in return for Fox.

I still think it would be dumb to dump Fox. Fox has done a lot of good with that franchise. He's only been there 5 years and has a 5-2 career playoff record. You'd have to tell me something like he is in a nasty feud with someone in the front office to get me to believe they'd get of him. Or maybe the Panther brass aren't too bright?

You're correct on what you are saying. I think Fox is a great coach,too. That's why I think Giants make a play for him. And Carolina gets rid of him if only they think cowher is a better coach. And since this whole thread is just speculation and rumors, that is what I'm doing, just speculating.

Don't you think you might be using the term "great" a little loosely? I mean, if Fox is the benchmark for greatness, half the league's coaches could have cases made.44-36 in five seasons2 winning seasons in 52 playoff appearances in 5I mean he's good, but "great?"

Its the 5-2 record in the playoffs. The playoff run in 2003 was awesome. And then in 2005 the Panthers went on the road and won two MORE playoff games before finally losing to the Seahawks. Conversely, Marty Schottenheimer is like 5-12 in the playoffs.

 

[Jason Wood]

If Cowher comes back it going be on his terms. He wants to retire in NC , my money's on Carolina if Fox doesn't make the playoffs this season.

I can't see John Fox getting canned.

I think the Giants might ask what Carolina would want in return for Fox.

I still think it would be dumb to dump Fox. Fox has done a lot of good with that franchise. He's only been there 5 years and has a 5-2 career playoff record. You'd have to tell me something like he is in a nasty feud with someone in the front office to get me to believe they'd get of him. Or maybe the Panther brass aren't too bright?

You're correct on what you are saying. I think Fox is a great coach,too. That's why I think Giants make a play for him. And Carolina gets rid of him if only they think cowher is a better coach. And since this whole thread is just speculation and rumors, that is what I'm doing, just speculating.

Don't you think you might be using the term "great" a little loosely? I mean, if Fox is the benchmark for greatness, half the league's coaches could have cases made.44-36 in five seasons2 winning seasons in 52 playoff appearances in 5I mean he's good, but "great?"

Its the 5-2 record in the playoffs. The playoff run in 2003 was awesome. And then in 2005 the Panthers went on the road and won two MORE playoff games before finally losing to the Seahawks. Conversely, Marty Schottenheimer is like 5-12 in the playoffs.

I don't have a problem with calling Fox "good" but I don't think you can say he's "great" based on his body of work. You'll never hear me label Schottenheimer that way either.

 

[Sleeper 43]

There have been rumors in Pittsburgh that Cowher might be headed to Washington next season. It seems as likely as any other place mentioned.

I'm not saying you're wrong, but why would Cowher want to leave an owner that left him alone and was the epitome of loyal for an owner that's meddling, always looking for the next great thing and has been, to date, a horrendous personnel executive?

The rumor was reported on WTAE-TV in Pittsburgh. I am not saying it will happen just saying what I've heard. As for reasons to leave Pittsburgh for Washington the main reason would be . If Synder wants Cowher he would certainly outbid the Rooneys.

Greg Williams has a clause where he collects a nice chunk of change if he doesn't get the job after Gibbs. Not sure if it matters to Snyder of not but...

 

[SSOG]

As to Schottenheimer? Ugh...why go down that road again? What's he going to do with that team that Gruden can't? Lose a few playoff games?

How about make the playoffs?Seriously, I think this is a pretty ignorant comment. Schotty has a 61.3% winning percentage and 200 career victories. In 21 seasons with 4 different teams, he has had a losing record TWICE and made the playoffs thirteen times. He turned San Diego from the worst team in the entire NFL into a Super Bowl contender in 3 seasons, and into the best team in the league in 5 seasons. He's made the AFCCG 3 times (that's once every 7 years, or about league-average), so it's not like he's incapable of experiencing success in the playoffs. He's a three time NFL Coach of the year. If not for "THE DRIVE" and "THE FUMBLE"- two situations that were such huge historical flukes that they actually get capitalized- then Schottenheimer would have two Superbowl appearances to his name.If Cowher had retired before he won a superbowl, would you say the same thing about him? What's Cowher going to do that Gruden can't, lose in the NFCCG? If Peyton Manning was a free agent before last season, would you say the same thing? What's Manning going to do that Simms can't, choke in the playoffs? What about if Elway pre-1997 was available as a free agent, would you say "What's Elway going to do, throw a bunch of interceptions in the Super Bowl"? And if Dungy was possibly going to come back to Tampa Bay before last year, would you have asked why TB wanted a coach that clearly couldn't win the big game? If Tampa Bay needed a GM and Bill Polian was available, would you question why they would be interested in a guy whose biggest strength was building teams famous for choking the playoffs (the 4-SB Bills and the recent Colts)? All throughout NFL history, certain players or coaches earn the "choker" nickname... and all throughout history, those players and coaches have been proving that the people who called them chokers were speaking entirely out of ignorance rather than any real knowledge of football. You'd think that anyone who paid even the slightest amount of attention to the actual game would have learned from their repeated mistakes by now, since we've had... what, 4 of the most famous "chokers" in history shed the nickname within the past two seasons alone?I'd much rather have a great coach who is a "choker" than a mediocre coach who is most famous for winning a Superbowl with someone else's team and then turning that team into a laughingstock almost immediately afterwards.

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

I'd much rather have a great coach who is a "choker" than a mediocre coach who is most famous for winning a Superbowl with someone else's team and then turning that team into a laughingstock almost immediately afterwards.

I mostly agree with everything you said. However you aren't giving Gruden his due as a coach. He turned a mediocre oakland team into a SB contender even a year after his departure. His stints at TB and Oakland suggest he's really good at squeezing the last drop out of older players.

 

[Capella]

I'd much rather have a great coach who is a "choker" than a mediocre coach who is most famous for winning a Superbowl with someone else's team and then turning that team into a laughingstock almost immediately afterwards.

I would too. Not sure who that second coach is you're talking about though.

 

[BGP]

If Cowher comes back it going be on his terms. He wants to retire in NC , my money's on Carolina if Fox doesn't make the playoffs this season.

I can't see John Fox getting canned.

I think the Giants might ask what Carolina would want in return for Fox.

I still think it would be dumb to dump Fox. Fox has done a lot of good with that franchise. He's only been there 5 years and has a 5-2 career playoff record. You'd have to tell me something like he is in a nasty feud with someone in the front office to get me to believe they'd get of him. Or maybe the Panther brass aren't too bright?

You're correct on what you are saying. I think Fox is a great coach,too. That's why I think Giants make a play for him. And Carolina gets rid of him if only they think cowher is a better coach. And since this whole thread is just speculation and rumors, that is what I'm doing, just speculating.

Don't you think you might be using the term "great" a little loosely? I mean, if Fox is the benchmark for greatness, half the league's coaches could have cases made.44-36 in five seasons2 winning seasons in 52 playoff appearances in 5I mean he's good, but "great?"

Its the 5-2 record in the playoffs. The playoff run in 2003 was awesome. And then in 2005 the Panthers went on the road and won two MORE playoff games before finally losing to the Seahawks. Conversely, Marty Schottenheimer is like 5-12 in the playoffs.

I don't have a problem with calling Fox "good" but I don't think you can say he's "great" based on his body of work. You'll never hear me label Schottenheimer that way either.

Its not me calling him "great". I'm pointing out that you ignored playoff performance in your assessment of John Fox. A case could be made that John Fox has shown some measure of greatness in his team's playoff performance up to this point - altho I would disagree.