Culpepper for a 2nd rounder.... (1 Viewer)

[Liquid Tension]

From Diesel

Ah I love guys who live in fantasy land.

Culpepper currently wants a $10mil raise of his current contract which calls for a $6 mil roster bonus this offseason, and has huge base salaries coming up.

You're expecting an NFL GM to spend $10-15 mil of his owner's money to get a QB who won't likely play this year?

Do you live in reality?

What you can do in your Madden 2006 Franchise mode has no basis in what actual NFL decision makers have to do.

Bottom line: Dishing out the pick and the millions for Culpepper right now when he has a horrible attitude and one knee would amount to likely suicide for the management team that brought him in.

As I said in an earlier post, the pick doesnt really matter, the Vikes could offer to give him away for free. They won't find takers unless Culpepper gets realistic about his contract and forgets about the raise and agrees to restructure it.

I couldn't disagree with you more. It is the type of shortsighted thinking you have here that keeps teams as losers. In 2007 what kind of QB do you expect Culpy to be? If you think he is a top 10 QB than your analysis is very shortsighted. Reality is that a top 10 QB is worth 8-9 mil a year on a football team. You are also making a huge jump in opinion saying that Culpy would make a new team rework the contract? Maybe he just wants out of Minn? Maybe his old agent doesn't get his % if Culpy gets a new contract negotiated under himself? But, as you said the 2nd round doesn't mean anything and would you rather have Culpepper as your QB or spend that 8 mil somewhere else on your team? My answer is Culpepper and that is NO FANTASY.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

This specific artiticle, they are strongly stating that the Viking ARE shopping Culpepper for a 2nd rounder and cite them breaking the Randy Moss trade scoop to back it up.

"scoop" to me is breaking one story. It's not posting 20 rumors and when one pans out taking credit for that. Just my opinion, I'm sure they're glad you like their site

That's my issue with PFT in a nutshell. Just because they post RUMOR on 9 out of 10 posts, doesn't all of the sudden make them a credible source.

Absolutely ridiculous to imply PFT has a 90% miss percentage on rumors. I'm not going to take half an afternoon to do your math for you, but then again I'm not the one putting math on the table. They are far more accurate than that.

I don't read the site any more. When I used to read it, I'd say that maybe they had a 70-80% miss on rumors. What do you think the percentage is now?

Current miss rate: maybe 10%. Also note that many rumors can never be confirmed. Here's a challenge: the current PFT rumor mill goes back to Feb 9. I would like a PFT basher to go back and find an article that is incorrect or false that they did not print a retraction. Just for calculations sake, I counted 39 articles written, not including their one liner sections. If they truly have an 80% miss rate, we are looking at 31.2 incorrect articles. Of course, as I mentioned, some of them are pure opinion pieces that cannot be wrong. And of course, many things can never be proven to be incorrect.

Last post on PFT. This is the kind of stuff I'm talking about:

POSTED 9:12 a.m. EDT, May 22, 2003

GADSDEN TEAMMATE: ORONDE IS A "#######"

As Dolphins receiver Oronde Gadsden continues to search for his next NFL meal, at least one of his teammates is privately ripping the receiver and his agent, Michael Todd, for a contract strategy that has seen Gadsden's earning potential plummet over the past 12 months.

Last September, Gadsden turned down a multi-year offer from the Dolphins, which included a $750,000 signing bonus. The Fins were willing to make the investment in Gadsden even when he was playing with a wrist injury that ultimately knocked him out for the rest of the year (actually, he chose season-ending surgery after he rejected the Dolphins' contract offer).

But Gadsden and Todd opted instead to test the open market, where the veteran receiver got a few sniffs from teams like the Vikings and the Patriots, but nothing serious. Along the way, Gadsden's Miami teammates were urging him to accept an incentive-laden deal.

The Dolphins indeed remain interested, but for only the $530,000 one-year minimum, with incentives. Gadsden supposedly wants a signing bonus, too.

These developments have prompted Gadsden's teammate to question, "Who in the f--- is stupider, Gadsden or the agent? Can you say #######?"

I personally don't like my football news in that format.

Sounds like they have grown up though. I'll check them out.

If those are actual quotes from a teammate, how can that not be considered newsworthy? As another guy said, you may find the style abrasive but that doesn't mean he made up a quote and pawned it off on an imaginary teammate. It's the quote that's abrasive, not what PFT did with it.As to Pinequick's post, I'm not saying every blurb is Johnny Carson material. I'm sure I could find a comment a day that is as funny as a fart in orchestra hall. Same could be said for Mike/Mike or Dan Patrick. I'm not trying to get you to read it anyway... couldn't care less if you don't. It doesn't bear on the accuracy issue that is being discussed in this thread.

As I said before, I didn't like their style because it was "abrasive" (good word there, not mine). I don't feel like searching through 4 years of rumor archives, but there were certainly times where Mike used similar thoughts himself, not in quote form from an unnamed source. Heck, there was a running joke about throwing in "out of the closet" every time they discussed Kordell Stewart. Just made it seem alot less professional and to some degree, a lot less true (maybe it was, maybe it wasn't). I think you know that if you've been reading it that long. But as was stated, he seems to have toned it down. The recent post above about Pennington is a good one.

 

[Bri]

I see no way Culpepper plays for the Vikings' next season. We see a lot of smoke between the organization and Daunte and there must be some fire. Having a disgruntled employee (Daunte) during the new ownership\coaching staff's first year would be a terrible way to start.

well the newspapers said he refused to meet with new coach Childress and fired his agent. It was the end of the world that they didn't meet. A few days after that, he and Childress met and it was like a mere paragraph about them "getting to know each other".The papers definitely overreacted so it's hard to judge how they really feel.

 

[wannabee]

Sorry if :HONDA:

http://www.nfl.com/teams/story/MIN/9241189

Culpepper plans on staying with Vikings

NFL.com wire reports

EDEN PRAIRIE, Minn. (Feb. 16, 2006) -- Daunte Culpepper wanted to make sure there was no misinterpretation: He's concerned with getting healthy, not speculation about his future with the Minnesota Vikings.

And Culpepper, unless he's told otherwise by owner Zygi Wilf, plans to play quarterback for the Vikings this fall.

He didn't respond specifically to a report that the team is considering trading him because of his recent requests for more money. But Culpepper offered his take on the rumors that have surrounded him since the season ended.

"I have found over the years that people with knowledge of the situation are usually the most ignorant, and anonymous sources are usually synonymous with cowards who don't want to go on the record," Culpepper said in an e-mail to The Associated Press. "My position has been and continues to be that I am focusing on rehabilitating my knee so that I can come back and play the game I love at the highest level.

"Until I hear different from Mr. Wilf or the new 'triangle of authority' at the Vikings, I plan on playing quarterback for Minnesota. Trying to delve into speculation, innuendo, rumor or anything else of this nature would be a waste of energy. I choose at this time to spend my energy on getting healthy. Thank you for relaying this message to the public."

The Star Tribune of Minneapolis, citing an anonymous person with knowledge of the situation, reported that the team is gauging Culpepper's trade value in response to his contract demands. The newspaper, citing three anonymous sources with knowledge of the situation, also reported that Culpepper tried three times in a six-week period ending Jan. 31 to upgrade his deal.

Culpepper let his longtime agent, Mason Ashe, go last month. He has been representing himself since then, saying he wanted to be more involved in his financial business.

The Vikings, coincidentally, introduced their new vice president of player personnel, Fran Foley, at a news conference at their headquarters. But Foley wouldn't address this subject, or much of anything else, and Wilf didn't take questions.

"My position will be that we're not going to talk about our football business in public," Foley said. "It's just not going to happen. It's not the way that I do business, and it won't be the way that we'll do business from this point forward."

Foley, who spent the last three seasons with San Diego and the nine years before that with Jacksonville as a personnel official, was asked twice more for general comments on Culpepper. He declined.

"Whether it's Daunte or another player," Foley said, "I can't give you an evaluation on him as a performer -- or our plans with the player."

Culpepper, who was picked for his third Pro Bowl following a record-setting year in 2004, struggled badly through the first part of the 2005 season before tearing the anterior cruciate, medial collateral and posterior cruciate ligaments in his knee during a game against Carolina last Oct. 30.

He had surgery Nov. 15 and has since spent most of his time rehabilitating in Florida. He spoke last month by phone with new coach Brad Childress, who said at his introductory news conference that the 29-year-old Culpepper "right now, is the franchise quarterback."

But that doesn't mean he will continue to be, despite Wilf's previous pledge to pay Culpepper a $6 million bonus he's due in March.

Though he has maintained his innocence, Culpepper's image was tainted after a wild boat party produced three misdemeanor charges for him and three teammates. The Vikings also must judge his on-field value, considering veteran quarterback Brad Johnson 's success in relief and the uncertainty of Culpepper's health following such a catastrophic injury.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Your QB is your leader.

Culpepper's actions in regards to his contract and the team/ownership have shown that he is not a leader.

Ergo, he will not be with the Vikings much longer.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

Maybe the article with quotes from him that Wannabe posted above are an attempt at repairing any image hit he took in his trade value for the stories that are out?

 

[The Fletch]

So a team gets to pick up his 10 year 100 million dollar contract, plus they have to give up a second rounder for the privilage to do so? I'm sure they're lining up at the door.

No team would have to honor a 10-year deal, or any other multi-year deal. We all know player contracts, no matter what the length, are nothing more than one year deals. A team could take a 1-year shot on Culpepper. If he comes back great, then you got a bargain in terms of the draft pick sacrificed. If not, just cut him after the year is up.The only question would be with the signing bonus he received at the beginning of the contract. If he's traded, would the new team be responsible for the prorated signing bonus against the cap, or would the Vikings still have to pony up, since they paid him the bonus? That would be the only risk I could see for many teams.

There are many teams who had poor years and are looking for help at QB...right? Wouldn't it be worth the risk for one year for many of those teams. Especially so if a team takes a QB this year in the draft. That way, the rookie could sit behind Culpepper for a year. Then, if it works out, the team has two quality QB's after the season, where a year prior (now) they have no one they are comfortable with.

Does this make sense to anyone else?

 

[Tau837]

So a team gets to pick up his 10 year 100 million dollar contract, plus they have to give up a second rounder for the privilage to do so? I'm sure they're lining up at the door.

No team would have to honor a 10-year deal, or any other multi-year deal. We all know player contracts, no matter what the length, are nothing more than one year deals. A team could take a 1-year shot on Culpepper. If he comes back great, then you got a bargain in terms of the draft pick sacrificed. If not, just cut him after the year is up.The only question would be with the signing bonus he received at the beginning of the contract. If he's traded, would the new team be responsible for the prorated signing bonus against the cap, or would the Vikings still have to pony up, since they paid him the bonus? That would be the only risk I could see for many teams.

There are many teams who had poor years and are looking for help at QB...right? Wouldn't it be worth the risk for one year for many of those teams. Especially so if a team takes a QB this year in the draft. That way, the rookie could sit behind Culpepper for a year. Then, if it works out, the team has two quality QB's after the season, where a year prior (now) they have no one they are comfortable with.

Does this make sense to anyone else?

If he is traded, the cap hit for all bonuses paid previously hit the Vikings' cap. The new team is responsible for the rest of his contract from here forward, including annual salary and any bonuses yet to be paid.So if someone trades for Culpepper and then wants to cut or trade him after one year, it will cost that team nothing from a cap perspective. And real dollars paid would be limited to his salary and any incentives he may earn, if any incentives are built into his contract.

So it just comes down to a team deciding that Culpepper's value is greater than the value of whatever must be traded to get him, with no financial/cap issues other than being able to fit his 2006 salary under this year's cap.

 

[-OZ-]

If he is traded, the cap hit for all bonuses paid previously hit the Vikings' cap. The new team is responsible for the rest of his contract from here forward, including annual salary and any bonuses yet to be paid.

So if someone trades for Culpepper and then wants to cut or trade him after one year, it will cost that team nothing from a cap perspective. And real dollars paid would be limited to his salary and any incentives he may earn, if any incentives are built into his contract.

So it just comes down to a team deciding that Culpepper's value is greater than the value of whatever must be traded to get him, with no financial/cap issues other than being able to fit his 2006 salary under this year's cap.

If this is the case, if Minnesota is willing to deal him, CPep should be gone IMO.A 2nd round pick for one of the better QBs in the NFL is worth the risk of the injury.

I know it won't happen, division rivals, but dang, CPep would rock in Detroit.

 

[BlueOnion]

Your QB is your leader.

Culpepper's actions in regards to his contract and the team/ownership have shown that he is not a leader.

Ergo, he will not be with the Vikings much longer.

True dat.

 

[cstu]

Your QB is your leader.

Culpepper's actions in regards to his contract and the team/ownership have shown that he is not a leader.

Ergo, he will not be with the Vikings much longer.

True dat.

I understand as a fan being tired of CPep, but wouldn't you rather keep him for another year and get more out of him? There's little downside to keeping him and his value could skyrocket if he has a good season. It's like selling Microsoft stock at its all-time low - doesn't make sense.

 

[BlueOnion]

Your QB is your leader.

Culpepper's actions in regards to his contract and the team/ownership have shown that he is not a leader.

Ergo, he will not be with the Vikings much longer.

True dat.

I understand as a fan being tired of CPep, but wouldn't you rather keep him for another year and get more out of him? There's little downside to keeping him and his value could skyrocket if he has a good season. It's like selling Microsoft stock at its all-time low - doesn't make sense.

I don't think your comparison is adequate. A better example would be if you were President of Microsoft and your top developer was very disgruntled, would you want him playing a significant role in your daily operations for another year?For the record, I am a long time Viking fan and have been a fan of Daunte's since 1997 and his days at Central Florida. But if he doesn't want to be a Viking, there is no reason to continue the relationship.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Your QB is your leader.

Culpepper's actions in regards to his contract and the team/ownership have shown that he is not a leader.

Ergo, he will not be with the Vikings much longer.

True dat.

I understand as a fan being tired of CPep, but wouldn't you rather keep him for another year and get more out of him? There's little downside to keeping him and his value could skyrocket if he has a good season. It's like selling Microsoft stock at its all-time low - doesn't make sense.

Not if he'll be a cancer for the entire season.

 

[cstu]

Your QB is your leader.

Culpepper's actions in regards to his contract and the team/ownership have shown that he is not a leader.

Ergo, he will not be with the Vikings much longer.

True dat.

I understand as a fan being tired of CPep, but wouldn't you rather keep him for another year and get more out of him? There's little downside to keeping him and his value could skyrocket if he has a good season. It's like selling Microsoft stock at its all-time low - doesn't make sense.

I don't think your comparison is adequate. A better example would be if you were President of Microsoft and your top developer was very disgruntled, would you want him playing a significant role in your daily operations for another year?For the record, I am a long time Viking fan and have been a fan of Daunte's since 1997 and his days at Central Florida. But if he doesn't want to be a Viking, there is no reason to continue the relationship.

Culpepper is a human being and I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt considering what has happened in the past year to him - Moss traded, new owner, horrible play and a torn ACL, backup QB playing well and a new coach. I'm sure that there's a lot going on in his mind right now, but he has always seem to like playing for the Vikings and I think he still wants to be there.The question I'd like to ask about the disgruntled developer - would the company be more profitable with or without the employee? Sometimes it's worth dealing with a problem if it helps the organization overall.

 

[-OZ-]

Your QB is your leader.

Culpepper's actions in regards to his contract and the team/ownership have shown that he is not a leader.

Ergo, he will not be with the Vikings much longer.

True dat.

I understand as a fan being tired of CPep, but wouldn't you rather keep him for another year and get more out of him? There's little downside to keeping him and his value could skyrocket if he has a good season. It's like selling Microsoft stock at its all-time low - doesn't make sense.

I don't think your comparison is adequate. A better example would be if you were President of Microsoft and your top developer was very disgruntled, would you want him playing a significant role in your daily operations for another year?For the record, I am a long time Viking fan and have been a fan of Daunte's since 1997 and his days at Central Florida. But if he doesn't want to be a Viking, there is no reason to continue the relationship.

Culpepper is a human being and I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt considering what has happened in the past year to him - Moss traded, new owner, horrible play and a torn ACL, backup QB playing well and a new coach. I'm sure that there's a lot going on in his mind right now, but he has always seem to like playing for the Vikings and I think he still wants to be there.The question I'd like to ask about the disgruntled developer - would the company be more profitable with or without the employee? Sometimes it's worth dealing with a problem if it helps the organization overall.

I don't like the developer analogy unless he's the leader of a development team. If he's a computer whiz, working alone, it's completely different than a leader of a team.Regardless, I'm starting to believe that Culpepper will be gone, the only question is who will pay, and IMO the answer should be Saban.

 

[BlueOnion]

Culpepper is a human being and I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt considering what has happened in the past year to him - Moss traded, new owner, horrible play and a torn ACL, backup QB playing well and a new coach. I'm sure that there's a lot going on in his mind right now, but he has always seem to like playing for the Vikings and I think he still wants to be there.

The question I'd like to ask about the disgruntled developer - would the company be more profitable with or without the employee? Sometimes it's worth dealing with a problem if it helps the organization overall.

For what ever reason, I think the bolded comment is no longer true. The media has been hard on Daunte relative to his performance and Brad Johnson's and the boat incident. I am in no way defending Daunt, however I think he is a moody and sensitive guy. I just see a disgruntled Daunte hanging around the locker room all year and potentially bad-mouthing the front office within the confines of the locker room as a very, very bad thing (for the long term).

 

[Andy Dufresne]

I just see a disgruntled Daunte hanging around the locker room all year and potentially bad-mouthing the front office within the confines of the locker room as a very, very bad thing (for the long term).

A new coaching staff trying to establish a new direction and mood cannot afford to have a brooding, moody, injured "star" player messing things up. He's as good as gone.

 

[BeTheMatch]

Culpepper is a human being and I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt considering what has happened in the past year to him - Moss traded, new owner, horrible play and a torn ACL, backup QB playing well and a new coach.  I'm sure that there's a lot going on in his mind right now, but he has always seem to like playing for the Vikings and I think he still wants to be there.

The question I'd like to ask about the disgruntled developer - would the company be more profitable with or without the employee?  Sometimes it's worth dealing with a problem if it helps the organization overall.

For what ever reason, I think the bolded comment is no longer true. The media has been hard on Daunte relative to his performance and Brad Johnson's and the boat incident. I am in no way defending Daunt, however I think he is a moody and sensitive guy. I just see a disgruntled Daunte hanging around the locker room all year and potentially bad-mouthing the front office within the confines of the locker room as a very, very bad thing (for the long term).

Speaking of sensitive, he's also had some big issues with the fans, and I think there's some racism involved from his point of view. I'm sure that's true to at least a certain degree. But it doesn't really matter if it's accurate. Perception is reality, and that's his perception of Minnesota these days.