Culpepper's injury = a blessing in disguise (1 Viewer)

[jwvdcw]

The facts don't lie folks.The Vikings put up 24 or more points in one game out of 7 with Culpepper. Now without him, they put up 24 points with 4 minutes still to play in the first half.I'm sure this thread won't be popular, as theres a ton of people on this board still eating crow about many of our Culpepper threads over the summer, but the facts are pretty damn convincing.

 

[jurb26]

Joey Harrington put up 24 points vs his own team more than Johnson did.....

 

[Not Really Mel Kiper]

Joey Harrington put up 24 points vs his own team more than Johnson did.....

 

[snogger]

The facts don't lie folks.

The Vikings put up 24 or more points in one game out of 7 with Culpepper. Now without him, they put up 24 points with 4 minutes still to play in the first half.

I'm sure this thread won't be popular, as theres a ton of people on this board still eating crow about many of our Culpepper threads over the summer, but the facts are pretty damn convincing.

They are playing The Lions.. You did know that right?

Besides, now it's 24-14 with The Lions having the ball. Took The Lions till half-time to realize Brad doesn't run like Culpepper.

Not to worry Viking fans, this is Joey "choke on a" Herring bone at QB for The lions.

 

[snogger]

And. Took only till half-tIme for someone to say "Brad should have started on Day one" I Had the over 4 quarters, guess I lost.

 

[phrozen]

The facts don't lie folks.

The Vikings put up 24 or more points in one game out of 7 with Culpepper. Now without him, they put up 24 points with 4 minutes still to play in the first half.

I'm sure this thread won't be popular, as theres a ton of people on this board still eating crow about many of our Culpepper threads over the summer, but the facts are pretty damn convincing.

congrats on winning your sig bet btw

 

[jwvdcw]

Vikings now 2-0 without Brad Johnson as the starting QB.

 

[Norseman]

The facts don't lie folks.

The Vikings put up 24 or more points in one game out of 7 with Culpepper. Now without him, they put up 24 points with 4 minutes still to play in the first half.

I'm sure this thread won't be popular, as theres a ton of people on this board still eating crow about many of our Culpepper threads over the summer, but the facts are pretty damn convincing.

The defense and special teams scored three TD's, and the offense only got over 100 total yards late in the 4th qtr. This is not a very

 

[snogger]

Vikings now 2-0 without Brad Johnson as the starting QB.

Yep, it was all Johnson today.

Without him the Vikes would have only scored 21 points.

 

[jwvdcw]

Vikings now 2-0 without Brad Johnson as the starting QB.

Yep, it was all Johnson today.

Without him the Vikes would have only scored 21 points.

Culpepper supporters...2-0 without him. The team is playing inspired football in all facets of the game with Johnson. They look like they have a true leader now.

 

[jwvdcw]

Vikings now 2-0 without Brad Johnson as the starting QB.

Yep, it was all Johnson today.

Without him the Vikes would have only scored 21 points.

So basically you're saying that without him they wouldn't have won the game. I agree.

 

[snogger]

Vikings now 2-0 without Brad Johnson as the starting QB.

Yep, it was all Johnson today.

Without him the Vikes would have only scored 21 points.

So basically you're saying that without him they wouldn't have won the game. I agree.

 

[snogger]

OK.. I give.If it took Culpepper going down with a Nasty injury for this team to pull it's collective head out of it's butt and play football instead of ride the ship into the sunset then I say yep blessing in disguise.But, if you are going to sit there and tell me that Culpepper couldn't have put 3 points up today, then you are certainly

 

[Norseman]

Vikings now 2-0 without Brad Johnson as the starting QB.

Yep, it was all Johnson today.

Without him the Vikes would have only scored 21 points.

So basically you're saying that without him they wouldn't have won the game. I agree.

They have to have someone play Qb, and since Culpepper is injured they need Johnson to. Another jw

 

[snogger]

Vikings now 2-0 without Brad Johnson as the starting QB.

Yep, it was all Johnson today.

Without him the Vikes would have only scored 21 points.

So basically you're saying that without him they wouldn't have won the game. I agree.

They have to have someone play Qb, and since Culpepper is injured they need Johnson to. Another jw

 

[Woz]

Brad is great and I'm happy to have him. However, to say that he's better than Culpepper for this Vikes team is terrible and here's why:1. The Vikes defense has been exponentially better with him gone. They shut down the leading offense in the league for the better part of today's game. What effect has Brad on this?2. The special teams - read above.3. Leader - Everything out of MN says Culepper has always been a solid leader. Guys look up to him and care about him. What other QB would say "I love you guys" to his teammates when he gets hurt?4. Talent-wise Culepper is just plain better. It's like saying you'd rather have Placido Palanco playing 3B for your team over A-Rod. Not a knock on Brad, but Culepper is just plain more talented.

 

[Da Guru]

Yep, it was all Johnson today.Without him the Vikes would have only scored 21 points.

Just like the Falcons win with Vick at QB, The Vikings win with Johnson at QB.2-0 as a starter.

 

[snogger]

Brad is great and I'm happy to have him. However, to say that he's better than Culpepper for this Vikes team is terrible and here's why:

1. The Vikes defense has been exponentially better with him gone. They shut down the leading offense in the league for the better part of today's game. What effect has Brad on this?

2. The special teams - read above.

3. Leader - Everything out of MN says Culepper has always been a solid leader. Guys look up to him and care about him. What other QB would say "I love you guys" to his teammates when he gets hurt?

4. Talent-wise Culepper is just plain better. It's like saying you'd rather have Placido Palanco playing 3B for your team over A-Rod. Not a knock on Brad, but Culepper is just plain more talented.

Let me answer this in Jw tones:1. Brad is a leader.. Both on offense and defense. He willed them to the TD's, Culpepper couldn't do that.

2. See above answer.

3. I(jw) am a Culpepper hater so can't see past what I want to see.

4. No way.. Johnson won a super bowl, don't you know anything??

Again, that was me taking jw's place for this post.

back to reality.

 

[Maelstrom]

Jw is just a Culpepper hater. Has been for some time. Guy won his sig bet (silly things) after Cpep went down with a major injury. Face it Jw, CPep is a good QB who played injured since game 1 and struggled this year to find his rythm. There was a ton of flux in the team this year, Moss gone, O-Coor. gone, OLine sucking, Nate hurt, defense reshuffled, etc. ANY QB would have struggled. Now, the defense seems to be gelling and finding an identity (not saying they are great by any means), and the offense is getting healthy, but I would not say they are totally playing well yet. The coaches have changed the way they are doing things a little, which seems to have helped as well. I definately think CPep coulda scored more than Johnson did today. But there's no way to know, and no way to settle this "debate".

 

[jwvdcw]

Brad is great and I'm happy to have him. However, to say that he's better than Culpepper for this Vikes team is terrible and here's why:

1. The Vikes defense has been exponentially better with him gone. They shut down the leading offense in the league for the better part of today's game. What effect has Brad on this?

2. The special teams - read above.

3. Leader - Everything out of MN says Culepper has always been a solid leader. Guys look up to him and care about him. What other QB would say "I love you guys" to his teammates when he gets hurt?

4. Talent-wise Culepper is just plain better. It's like saying you'd rather have Placido Palanco playing 3B for your team over A-Rod. Not a knock on Brad, but Culepper is just plain more talented.

I disagree with #4. Brad Johnson is a former super bowl winning QB. DC is a QB who put up good stats WITH RANDY MOSS, has never even been to a championship, put up zero points in his biggest game ever(loss to Giants in playoffs), and has put up bad stats this year without Moss.

 

[jwvdcw]

Jw is just a Culpepper hater.  Has been for some time.  Guy won his sig bet (silly things) after Cpep went down with a major injury. 

Face it Jw, CPep is a good QB who played injured since game 1 and struggled this year to find his rythm.  There was a ton of flux in the team this year, Moss gone, O-Coor. gone, OLine sucking, Nate hurt, defense reshuffled, etc.  ANY QB would have struggled. 

Now, the defense seems to be gelling and finding an identity (not saying they are great by any means), and the offense is getting healthy, but I would not say they are totally playing well yet.  The coaches have changed the way they are doing things a little, which seems to have helped as well. 

I definately think CPep coulda scored more than Johnson did today.  But there's no way to know, and no way to settle this "debate".

Why do you think Culpepper is a good QB? What has he ever done except put up stats with Moss? What big games has he ever won? What did he do this year without Moss?You're seriously blaming this year on an "injury since game 1"? Lol.

Edited to add: I don't hate Culpepper at all. I've never read or seen anything about him that would make me root against him. I just think hes the most overrated player in the NFL(or at least was heading into this year) due to the fact that hes had the benefit of playing with Moss.

 

[Norseman]

Jw is just a Culpepper hater.  Has been for some time.  Guy won his sig bet (silly things) after Cpep went down with a major injury. 

Face it Jw, CPep is a good QB who played injured since game 1 and struggled this year to find his rythm.  There was a ton of flux in the team this year, Moss gone, O-Coor. gone, OLine sucking, Nate hurt, defense reshuffled, etc.  ANY QB would have struggled. 

Now, the defense seems to be gelling and finding an identity (not saying they are great by any means), and the offense is getting healthy, but I would not say they are totally playing well yet.  The coaches have changed the way they are doing things a little, which seems to have helped as well. 

I definately think CPep coulda scored more than Johnson did today.  But there's no way to know, and no way to settle this "debate".

Why do you think Culpepper is a good QB? What has he ever done except put up stats with Moss? What big games has he ever won? What did he do this year without Moss?You're seriously blaming this year on an "injury since game 1"? Lol.

Edited to add: I don't hate Culpepper at all. I've never read or seen anything about him that would make me root against him. I just think hes the most overrated player in the NFL(or at least was heading into this year) due to the fact that hes had the benefit of playing with Moss.

And Collins is putting up such good stats with Moss this year

 

[Fresh Prince]

I don't know why you guys argue with him. Clearly Brad is better than DC and clearly Pinner is better than KJ. Both had monster games today to prove themselves.

 

[snogger]

Jw is just a Culpepper hater. Has been for some time. Guy won his sig bet (silly things) after Cpep went down with a major injury.

Face it Jw, CPep is a good QB who played injured since game 1 and struggled this year to find his rythm. There was a ton of flux in the team this year, Moss gone, O-Coor. gone, OLine sucking, Nate hurt, defense reshuffled, etc. ANY QB would have struggled.

Now, the defense seems to be gelling and finding an identity (not saying they are great by any means), and the offense is getting healthy, but I would not say they are totally playing well yet. The coaches have changed the way they are doing things a little, which seems to have helped as well.

I definately think CPep coulda scored more than Johnson did today. But there's no way to know, and no way to settle this "debate".

Why do you think Culpepper is a good QB? What has he ever done except put up stats with Moss? What big games has he ever won? What did he do this year without Moss?You're seriously blaming this year on an "injury since game 1"? Lol.

Edited to add: I don't hate Culpepper at all. I've never read or seen anything about him that would make me root against him. I just think hes the most overrated player in the NFL(or at least was heading into this year) due to the fact that hes had the benefit of playing with Moss.

Ummm. I may be mistaken.. But who was leading the Vikes last year when they won the Big Playoff game in Packer Land?

Maybe not big to you, but it was a big win for them at the time.

Let me guess.. Brad Johsnon in a Culpepper disguise.

 

[Jobber]

Culpepper sucks without Moss. He needs to re-learn how to be an NFL quarterback. That being said, Johnson isn't some kind of savior, but he's good enough to not give away games - like Culpepper throwing INTs and putting the ball on the carpet.

 

[jwvdcw]

Jw is just a Culpepper hater.  Has been for some time.  Guy won his sig bet (silly things) after Cpep went down with a major injury. 

Face it Jw, CPep is a good QB who played injured since game 1 and struggled this year to find his rythm.  There was a ton of flux in the team this year, Moss gone, O-Coor. gone, OLine sucking, Nate hurt, defense reshuffled, etc.  ANY QB would have struggled. 

Now, the defense seems to be gelling and finding an identity (not saying they are great by any means), and the offense is getting healthy, but I would not say they are totally playing well yet.  The coaches have changed the way they are doing things a little, which seems to have helped as well. 

I definately think CPep coulda scored more than Johnson did today.  But there's no way to know, and no way to settle this "debate".

Why do you think Culpepper is a good QB? What has he ever done except put up stats with Moss? What big games has he ever won? What did he do this year without Moss?You're seriously blaming this year on an "injury since game 1"? Lol.

Edited to add: I don't hate Culpepper at all. I've never read or seen anything about him that would make me root against him. I just think hes the most overrated player in the NFL(or at least was heading into this year) due to the fact that hes had the benefit of playing with Moss.

And Collins is putting up such good stats with Moss this year

Come on...you know that Moss is hurt. This is a weak argument.

 

[jwvdcw]

Culpepper sucks without Moss. He needs to re-learn how to be an NFL quarterback.

That being said, Johnson isn't some kind of savior, but he's good enough to not give away games - like Culpepper throwing INTs and putting the ball on the carpet.

agreed completely.

 

[Maelstrom]

When you guys say without Moss, you conviently leave out Linehan, which was Culpepper's mentor and a major part of his growth into the QB he had become (that's 3 probowls btw). I think that is a bigger loss than Moss.Also, the combination of a bad OLine (no time) and the injury (psycologically that was big, as well as physically he couldn't evade the sacks like usual) caused a lot of issues, including some of the turnovers.Plus, a DF that was playing poorly put the Viking behind quickly, causing CPep to feel like he had to carry the team and start to force things, causing more turnovers. Maybe Linehan could calm Culpepper down in those situations? Who knows.Now, the DF is playing better. That will help teams win any time. Probably didn't matter who the QB was today. In fact, the offense did NOT look that good today behind Johnson, although I'd rather have him than many of the QBs in backup positions around the league.

 

[Fresh Prince]

Jw is just a Culpepper hater.  Has been for some time.  Guy won his sig bet (silly things) after Cpep went down with a major injury. 

Face it Jw, CPep is a good QB who played injured since game 1 and struggled this year to find his rythm.  There was a ton of flux in the team this year, Moss gone, O-Coor. gone, OLine sucking, Nate hurt, defense reshuffled, etc.  ANY QB would have struggled. 

Now, the defense seems to be gelling and finding an identity (not saying they are great by any means), and the offense is getting healthy, but I would not say they are totally playing well yet.  The coaches have changed the way they are doing things a little, which seems to have helped as well. 

I definately think CPep coulda scored more than Johnson did today.  But there's no way to know, and no way to settle this "debate".

Why do you think Culpepper is a good QB? What has he ever done except put up stats with Moss? What big games has he ever won? What did he do this year without Moss?You're seriously blaming this year on an "injury since game 1"? Lol.

Edited to add: I don't hate Culpepper at all. I've never read or seen anything about him that would make me root against him. I just think hes the most overrated player in the NFL(or at least was heading into this year) due to the fact that hes had the benefit of playing with Moss.

And Collins is putting up such good stats with Moss this year

Come on...you know that Moss is hurt. This is a weak argument.

What stats did DC put up last year in midseason when Moss got hurt?

 

[Statorama]

What's the word on Culpeppers injury? Is he supposed to be good to go for 2006?

 

[snogger]

What's the word on Culpeppers injury? Is he supposed to be good to go for 2006?

Maybe, and I say a BIG Maybe he'll be ready to go by this time next year.9 to 12 month recovery time.

 

[Statorama]

What's the word on Culpeppers injury?  Is he supposed to be good to go for 2006?

Maybe, and I say a BIG Maybe he'll be ready to go by this time next year.9 to 12 month recovery time.

Even though that's bad news for me...thanks for passing it on.

 

[Preacher 1]

Even though it's , this has the potential to be the stupidest thread of the year...The Viking offense scored exactly 3 points this game...almost no yardage. And Johnson is the reason that they win? Absurd...If he's such a great influence on the team, they should be undefeated, after all, he's been with the team all season. Or did he decide not to use up any of his "influence" because he wasn't starting?

 

[blenderfrog]

Yep, it was all Johnson today.

Without him the Vikes would have only scored 21 points.

I thought Johnson did a great job getting the final 3 points. Prior to that, it seemed like they were playing a prevent offense or something - trying to not make mistakes. I was pretty happy to see Johnson be able to shift gears and move the ball 40 yards or so to get in FG position when they needed to. Put the pressure on C-Pep at the end of the game, I'm not so sure he would have gotten them in position .

 

[Norseman]

Jw is just a Culpepper hater.  Has been for some time.  Guy won his sig bet (silly things) after Cpep went down with a major injury. 

Face it Jw, CPep is a good QB who played injured since game 1 and struggled this year to find his rythm.  There was a ton of flux in the team this year, Moss gone, O-Coor. gone, OLine sucking, Nate hurt, defense reshuffled, etc.  ANY QB would have struggled. 

Now, the defense seems to be gelling and finding an identity (not saying they are great by any means), and the offense is getting healthy, but I would not say they are totally playing well yet.  The coaches have changed the way they are doing things a little, which seems to have helped as well. 

I definately think CPep coulda scored more than Johnson did today.  But there's no way to know, and no way to settle this "debate".

Why do you think Culpepper is a good QB? What has he ever done except put up stats with Moss? What big games has he ever won? What did he do this year without Moss?You're seriously blaming this year on an "injury since game 1"? Lol.

Edited to add: I don't hate Culpepper at all. I've never read or seen anything about him that would make me root against him. I just think hes the most overrated player in the NFL(or at least was heading into this year) due to the fact that hes had the benefit of playing with Moss.

And Collins is putting up such good stats with Moss this year

Come on...you know that Moss is hurt. This is a weak argument.

And Culpepper hasn't been injured all year either

 

[fsufan]

they had NO OFF TD today

 

[Hinezer]

Let's examine the drives of the great Brad Johnson today:1st Half4 plays- 4 yards: Missed FG5 plays- 16 yards: Punt4 plays- 2 yards: Missed FG3 plays- -1 yards: Punt6 plays- 19 yards: Punt3 plays- 1 yard: punt7 plays- 0 yards: end of half2nd Half12 plays- 42 yards: Punt5 plays- 14 yards: Punt3 plays- 9 yards: Punt3 play- -3 yards: Punt8 plays- 42 yards: FG2 drives over 20 yards the entire game. 7 drives under 10 yards. Johnson had one good drive and a good pass on another and was bad the rest of the time. But as a Viking fan, that one drive keeps me from calling for him to be benched. But if it wasn't for the defense and special teams, the Vikings lose this game by 25+ points.

 

[packersfan]

Johnson was terrible today. Any attempt to give him any credit for the Vikings' victory is ridiculous.

 

[NYG Endzone]

Johnson was terrible today. Any attempt to give him any credit for the Vikings' victory is ridiculous.

NYG always stuffs the run at home this season. Made Johnson's chances slimmer. It hurts that they havent allowed a Defensive TD in 3 games too.

 

[Hinezer]

Johnson was terrible today. Any attempt to give him any credit for the Vikings' victory is ridiculous.

He gets credit from me for leading the team when he needed to, but the defense and special teams get credit for this win.

 

[jwvdcw]

3-0.

 

[Maelstrom]

3-0 yes, but this game should have shown nothing if not that the OLine is STILL struggling, and Johnson was running for his life as well. No way to say that the Vikes wouldn't be 3-0 with CPep in as well. Johnson hasn't been the big difference, it's been the team playing better team ball, playing DF (which seems to be gelling) and STs. The Offense has been relatively lackluster.

 

[snogger]

Nice to see The Vikes DEFENSE win a few games for us for once, they've cost us enough games. Johnson had one of those games everyone said was a "culpepper" day. Not the OL fault, not the protection fault, all Culpeppers fault for all teh Fumbles, sacks and Int's. he had. 2 Fumbles by Johnson(1 lost), and INT 5+ sacks shows how BAD that OL is right now. If Culpepper had started this game the Vike fans would be calling for his head even though they won. Instead it's: Brad is 3-0 and should have been starting on Day 1!!! Opps, forgot they have scored 1 Offensive TD in over 2 games. Offensive powerhouse there.

 

[Preacher 1]

Nice to see The Vikes DEFENSE win a few games for us for once, they've cost us enough games.

Johnson had one of those games everyone said was a "culpepper" day. Not the OL fault, not the protection fault, all Culpeppers fault for all teh Fumbles, sacks and Int's. he had.

2 Fumbles by Johnson(1 lost), and INT 5+ sacks shows how BAD that OL is right now.

If Culpepper had started this game the Vike fans would be calling for his head even though they won.

Instead it's:

Brad is 3-0 and should have been starting on Day 1!!!

Opps, forgot they have scored 1 Offensive TD in over 2 games. Offensive powerhouse there.

You nailed every aspect there, nicely done.

 

[GRIDIRON ASSASSIN]

Brad Johnson will only give the Vikings and the fandumb a false sense of hope.The Bears are gonna slap their #### and call 'em Sally in several weeks when they play up in the Hump Dome.

 

[snogger]

Brad Johnson will only give the Vikings and the fandumb a false sense of hope.

The Bears are gonna slap their #### and call 'em Sally in several weeks when they play up in the Hump Dome.

Could very easily be the game for the Division.Vikes have 4 of thier next 6 games at home.. Only 2 of those games are against Winning teams, both which are at home.

Bears face 3 winning teams and a .500 team and their schedule is not the greatest: @ Bucs, vs. Pack, @ Steelers, vs. Falcons, @ Packers, @ Vikings.

Not saying the Vikes will win the division, but with the way this season has been anything is possible right now.

 

[jwvdcw]

Nice to see The Vikes DEFENSE win a few games for us for once, they've cost us enough games.

Johnson had one of those games everyone said was a "culpepper" day. Not the OL fault, not the protection fault, all Culpeppers fault for all teh Fumbles, sacks and Int's. he had.

2 Fumbles by Johnson(1 lost), and INT 5+ sacks shows how BAD that OL is right now.

If Culpepper had started this game the Vike fans would be calling for his head even though they won.

Instead it's:

Brad is 3-0 and should have been starting on Day 1!!!

Opps, forgot they have scored 1 Offensive TD in over 2 games. Offensive powerhouse there.

yeah, yeah....we've done this for 3 weeks now.Bottom line is that this team is winning with Johnson, and I called it 1/2 game into his stint as the starter.

Maybe the rest of the team simply is more inspired. Maybe they just needed a shakeup. Whatever the reason, they are clearly a better team during Johnson's stint than DC's. Not much you can argue about 3-0.

 

[phrozen]

4-0 now

 

[jwvdcw]

4-0 nowcan't wait to hear the excuses this week. Let me guess...it was only the pitiful Cleveland Browns? Yeah, and Culpepper was 2-5. In other words, they were losing to teams like the Browns when Culpepper was in.But I'll sit back and eagerly await the excuses this week now that B Johnson threw for 3 TDs and got his team 24 pts.

 

[Donnybrook]

4-0 now

can't wait to hear the excuses this week. Let me guess...it was only the pitiful Cleveland Browns? Yeah, and Culpepper was 2-5. In other words, they were losing to teams like the Browns when Culpepper was in.

Hello, here are the teams the vikings lost to:Tampa Bay 7-4

Cincinnati 8-3

Atlanta 7-4

Chicago 8-3

Carolina 8-3

Get a clue.